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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
August 26 2015 18:46 GMT
#801
##Unvote
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 26 2015 18:51 GMT
#802
On August 27 2015 03:45 Trfel wrote:
I have some stuff going on, and won't be back until later today. Sorry.

Scum
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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 26 2015 19:53 GMT
#803
On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game

##unvote
Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game.
Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point.

Let's see.
Welcome back CC.
First thoughts are that he's town because I remember him posting similarly to this in a couple of towngames we played together, that being said there is ONE old-as-hell scumgame of his I want to look back at (where he ragequit eventually 'cause his team was shitty or something?) because what someone (marv?) said about him being more coherent as scum could be true but I truly don't remember. 2-year-old meta meh anyway but I have re-embraced the use of meta recently to decent effect so we'll see. Tentative townread for the moment.

Rsoul extremely likely to be town from interactions.

Scummiest people stand out to me as JAT because the last time I remember Palmar going like this on anyone, it was on me when I was scum when nobody else ever catches me.
Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.'
I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that.

Which brings me to
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:13 Palmar wrote:
Wave is a shitty has-been player anyway

can't be a has-been if you're a never-was

^ wow, what a bitch

Fucking brutal guys.
Is all of that really necessary?

I actually have gained some confidence in my play for once and I refuse to let it be crushed by the likes of you. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not here means if either of the aforementioned are scum I won't have contributed at all to their lynches which is super bleh.

##vote: JAT


This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard.

Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons.

##Vote: Wave

On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.

You're sweet.
I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep.

I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.


JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good.

On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really have much to say about that specifically.
Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.

For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.

As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno.


When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate.

How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch.

All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow:

Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 26 2015 19:57 GMT
#804
On August 27 2015 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game

##unvote
Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game.
Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point.

Let's see.
Welcome back CC.
First thoughts are that he's town because I remember him posting similarly to this in a couple of towngames we played together, that being said there is ONE old-as-hell scumgame of his I want to look back at (where he ragequit eventually 'cause his team was shitty or something?) because what someone (marv?) said about him being more coherent as scum could be true but I truly don't remember. 2-year-old meta meh anyway but I have re-embraced the use of meta recently to decent effect so we'll see. Tentative townread for the moment.

Rsoul extremely likely to be town from interactions.

Scummiest people stand out to me as JAT because the last time I remember Palmar going like this on anyone, it was on me when I was scum when nobody else ever catches me.
Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.'
I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that.

Which brings me to
On August 26 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:13 Palmar wrote:
Wave is a shitty has-been player anyway

can't be a has-been if you're a never-was

^ wow, what a bitch

Fucking brutal guys.
Is all of that really necessary?

I actually have gained some confidence in my play for once and I refuse to let it be crushed by the likes of you. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not here means if either of the aforementioned are scum I won't have contributed at all to their lynches which is super bleh.

##vote: JAT


This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard.

Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons.

##Vote: Wave

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.

You're sweet.
I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep.

I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.


JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good.

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really have much to say about that specifically.
Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.

For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.

As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno.


When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate.

How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch.

All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow:

Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"?

Pretty sure in your giant filter case against me you could have discovered this yourself.
Yawn.
Not impressed.
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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 26 2015 20:19 GMT
#805
On August 27 2015 04:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game

##unvote
Should have just said marv/Palmar dominated game.
Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point.

Let's see.
Welcome back CC.
First thoughts are that he's town because I remember him posting similarly to this in a couple of towngames we played together, that being said there is ONE old-as-hell scumgame of his I want to look back at (where he ragequit eventually 'cause his team was shitty or something?) because what someone (marv?) said about him being more coherent as scum could be true but I truly don't remember. 2-year-old meta meh anyway but I have re-embraced the use of meta recently to decent effect so we'll see. Tentative townread for the moment.

Rsoul extremely likely to be town from interactions.

Scummiest people stand out to me as JAT because the last time I remember Palmar going like this on anyone, it was on me when I was scum when nobody else ever catches me.
Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.'
I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that.

Which brings me to
On August 26 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:13 Palmar wrote:
Wave is a shitty has-been player anyway

can't be a has-been if you're a never-was

^ wow, what a bitch

Fucking brutal guys.
Is all of that really necessary?

I actually have gained some confidence in my play for once and I refuse to let it be crushed by the likes of you. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not here means if either of the aforementioned are scum I won't have contributed at all to their lynches which is super bleh.

##vote: JAT


This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard.

Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons.

##Vote: Wave

On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.

You're sweet.
I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep.

I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.


JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good.

On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really have much to say about that specifically.
Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.

For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.

As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno.


When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate.

How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch.

All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow:

Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"?

Pretty sure in your giant filter case against me you could have discovered this yourself.
Yawn.
Not impressed.


No, I could not. You talk about moosydoosy, palmar, and marv more then JAT in every instance. I found one post where you give a scumread on JAT because he was very forgettable early or something, but that has nothing to do with why you think Palmar's case is any good.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 26 2015 20:20 GMT
#806
On August 27 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 01:05 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.

You're sweet.
I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep.

I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.


what is it that is good about it?

I got some feels about it a little early on because I'm used to JAT being a fun-killer as town and wasn't getting any of that, and he was fairly forgettable early as well when he has no problem inserting himself into stuff. The fact that Palmar when ham super early makes it more difficult for ME to get a better read on him, but also the fact that Palmar is going ham on him so early is a good sign based on my recent experiences with town Palmar, so I am absolutely fine sheeping here. Certainly doesn't hurt that marv agrees and is 99.9% town.


Kels asked you what specifically about Palmar's read is good, but instead you give a weak meta read that has nothing to do with Palmar's insistence that JAT is mafia.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 26 2015 20:31 GMT
#807
I mean it's pretty obvious that I'm hinging my vote right now on Palmar's insistence that JAT is scum and the 'weak meta read' as you say is enough for me for my vote to stay there.

I'm sorry if you'd like for there to be more bu there isn't. If that makes me scum then go ahead.
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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 26 2015 20:52 GMT
#808
On August 27 2015 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean it's pretty obvious that I'm hinging my vote right now on Palmar's insistence that JAT is scum and the 'weak meta read' as you say is enough for me for my vote to stay there.

I'm sorry if you'd like for there to be more bu there isn't. If that makes me scum then go ahead.


You claim to have improved confidence in your playstyle but this seem contradictory.

So there is nothing you like about Palmar's case at all? Then why did you say that Palmar had a fairly decent read? There's a difference between sheeping because you think someone is better than you and sheeping because you think they have a good read.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 26 2015 21:16 GMT
#809
On August 27 2015 05:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean it's pretty obvious that I'm hinging my vote right now on Palmar's insistence that JAT is scum and the 'weak meta read' as you say is enough for me for my vote to stay there.

I'm sorry if you'd like for there to be more bu there isn't. If that makes me scum then go ahead.


You claim to have improved confidence in your playstyle but this seem contradictory.

So there is nothing you like about Palmar's case at all? Then why did you say that Palmar had a fairly decent read? There's a difference between sheeping because you think someone is better than you and sheeping because you think they have a good read.

If palmar is voting for JAT because he has caught him based on super early palmar-type read then it can be both.

Lol I really don't even understand your problem. You can call be scum for being lazy or something or attempting to pawn off a potential town flip but I don't even know what your deal is with this
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 26 2015 21:18 GMT
#810
It's like you're a monkey and you think I have nits in my hair and you're looking for them but you're frustrated that there aren't any
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 26 2015 21:36 GMT
#811
On August 26 2015 23:14 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 23:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:06 Palmar wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh ok i found the meta thing about marv that annoyed me. The Cheesecake one and about how he's incoherent as town while he makes sense as mafia.


Specifically why does this annoy you?

I dislike meta reads esp in D1. I would understand if there were several days and someone's meta was consistently off during those days, but using meta as a D1 lynch just feels meh to me esp since I've never played with JAT, palmar, or marv.


And yet, the case on JAT appears to be mostly meta. According to Rsoultin "doesn't matter is the case is bad, jat is mafia" And you appear to be looking for an inlet into lynching him.

There is literally not a single thing in my case on JAT that has anything to do with meta.


This is your case:
On August 26 2015 21:44 Palmar wrote:
On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time:
On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity.


This is blatantly attacking something that's super simple to explain for no reason.

Jat clearly #1 lynch


The meta reads came from rsoultin who expounded on the idea of JAT being mafia for meta. At least I think that's what Rsoultin was saying. Also, marv told me that JAT is one of the best arguers as mafia when I brought up the fact that JAT stood his ground against you. I'm taking these reads as meta aside from your case.


JAT has to stand his ground, if he doesn't he's already dead.

Nothing to do with meta, if he shies away from the confrontation he will die.



This is actually true, didn't think of it like that. As either alignment he has to make that post defending himself.


I don't think you're mafia

But that post sounds like mafia.

mehh~~~~~~
Wait, why does this post sound like mafia? I thought it sounded a little towny?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
August 26 2015 21:39 GMT
#812
On August 27 2015 06:36 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2015 23:14 Palmar wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:06 Palmar wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 26 2015 23:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh ok i found the meta thing about marv that annoyed me. The Cheesecake one and about how he's incoherent as town while he makes sense as mafia.


Specifically why does this annoy you?

I dislike meta reads esp in D1. I would understand if there were several days and someone's meta was consistently off during those days, but using meta as a D1 lynch just feels meh to me esp since I've never played with JAT, palmar, or marv.


And yet, the case on JAT appears to be mostly meta. According to Rsoultin "doesn't matter is the case is bad, jat is mafia" And you appear to be looking for an inlet into lynching him.

There is literally not a single thing in my case on JAT that has anything to do with meta.


This is your case:
On August 26 2015 21:44 Palmar wrote:
On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time:
On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity.


This is blatantly attacking something that's super simple to explain for no reason.

Jat clearly #1 lynch


The meta reads came from rsoultin who expounded on the idea of JAT being mafia for meta. At least I think that's what Rsoultin was saying. Also, marv told me that JAT is one of the best arguers as mafia when I brought up the fact that JAT stood his ground against you. I'm taking these reads as meta aside from your case.


JAT has to stand his ground, if he doesn't he's already dead.

Nothing to do with meta, if he shies away from the confrontation he will die.



This is actually true, didn't think of it like that. As either alignment he has to make that post defending himself.


I don't think you're mafia

But that post sounds like mafia.

mehh~~~~~~
Wait, why does this post sound like mafia? I thought it sounded a little towny?


yeah I agree, it actually sounds kinda towny.
Computer says mafia
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 26 2015 21:43 GMT
#813
On August 27 2015 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On August 27 2015 05:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 27 2015 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean it's pretty obvious that I'm hinging my vote right now on Palmar's insistence that JAT is scum and the 'weak meta read' as you say is enough for me for my vote to stay there.

I'm sorry if you'd like for there to be more bu there isn't. If that makes me scum then go ahead.


You claim to have improved confidence in your playstyle but this seem contradictory.

So there is nothing you like about Palmar's case at all? Then why did you say that Palmar had a fairly decent read? There's a difference between sheeping because you think someone is better than you and sheeping because you think they have a good read.

If palmar is voting for JAT because he has caught him based on super early palmar-type read then it can be both.

Lol I really don't even understand your problem. You can call be scum for being lazy or something or attempting to pawn off a potential town flip but I don't even know what your deal is with this


On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.

You're sweet.
I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep.

I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.


But you intentionally qualify your statement of "sheeping him" with the fact that Palmar has a fairly decent read. By saying "fairly decent read" you are submitting that you think Palmar's reasons, whether or not they came from Palmar or anyone else, are good. Your opinion is that Palmar's read is good. If you mean that: "I think Palmar's read is good because he is a good scum-hunter" has nothing to do with your PERSONAL opinion of the reasons for why JAT is mafia.

Kels wanted to know what you thought was good about Palmar's read too:

[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:05 KelsierSC wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.[/QUOTE]
You're sweet.
I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep.

I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.[/QUOTE]

what is it that is good about it?[/QUOTE]

You clearly are not sheeping Palmar because you think his read is good, because you have not once given a reason as to why that is the case. So it is not "both" as you say.

Either way, I think we are just going in circles. You are mafia for not evaluating the game critically, and refusing to even look at your current lynch target apart from, imho, a thin meta read. I do not think you have even read Palmar's reasons for wanting JAT dead.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 26 2015 21:44 GMT
#814
On August 26 2015 23:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On August 26 2015 23:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
marv out of curiosity what WERE those two posts that palmar got you off of in some game? I assume they were more substantive than this game. Trfel may have just been joking, too.

Trfel was not joking. He is a very serious player. It is when he jokes that he is Mafia more often than not.
Rsoultin, I thought you taught MoosyDoosy how to play mafia?

Clearly you haven't done a very good job
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 26 2015 21:49 GMT
#815
wave you said you were interested in moosy's thoughts...what do you think of his play since your return.
Zerg for Life
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
August 26 2015 21:49 GMT
#816
On August 27 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote:
jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off.

No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it.

Hi mafia.

I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole.

I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading!

Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad.


what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town

your trfel push is shit

do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it

Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are.


it's shit. i debunked it. move on

reasons

You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off.


you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else

enjoy your bday


can i get like a summary of what else you said.

not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place

The summary is the following: Rsoultin does not think I am "jatty" enough. Evidently she hasn't even the slightest idea of what jatty is.

And wow you guys produced like 2 pages since I left. I bet I will se an incredible amount of scumhunting upon reading this.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 26 2015 21:50 GMT
#817
On August 27 2015 06:49 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:
[quote]
No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it.

Hi mafia.

I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole.

I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading!

Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad.


what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town

your trfel push is shit

do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it

Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are.


it's shit. i debunked it. move on

reasons

You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off.


you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else

enjoy your bday


can i get like a summary of what else you said.

not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place

The summary is the following: Rsoultin does not think I am "jatty" enough. Evidently she hasn't even the slightest idea of what jatty is.

And wow you guys produced like 2 pages since I left. I bet I will se an incredible amount of scumhunting upon reading this.


blame wine
Zerg for Life
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
August 26 2015 21:52 GMT
#818
On August 27 2015 06:50 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 06:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:
[quote]
Hi mafia.

I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole.

I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading!

Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad.


what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town

your trfel push is shit

do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it

Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are.


it's shit. i debunked it. move on

reasons

You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off.


you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else

enjoy your bday


can i get like a summary of what else you said.

not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place

The summary is the following: Rsoultin does not think I am "jatty" enough. Evidently she hasn't even the slightest idea of what jatty is.

And wow you guys produced like 2 pages since I left. I bet I will se an incredible amount of scumhunting upon reading this.


blame wine

It's ok. I will exclude everyone that is legitimally drunk. Like myself.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 26 2015 21:54 GMT
#819
JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 26 2015 21:54 GMT
#820
just got home, looks like i didn't miss too much

spliff and catch up in a bit
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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