EPTTL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2 - Page 4
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On August 30 2015 01:49 Palmar wrote: Thi is why you don't get to complain, there is no reason to take you seriously while you think this. If you are masons you should claim at least tomorrow cause while today we can decide between hopeless and CC mostly, tomorrow it'd be nice to be able to take you from the lynch pool, cause both of you aren't in the clear in this game. Not for me at least. | ||
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On August 30 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote: Please tell me why you do not consider me confirmed town. Unless you claimed something we can verify I see no reason to. Rso was killed after scumreading you and CC. But I already talked about that. The point still stands that at the beginning of D1, you missed the sarcasm from a flipped townie, and CC being mafia with you would explain his behaviour in regards to you and Palmar. He was unsure on you but wouldn't really want to scumread a hypothetical town palmar that was defending you and ignoring him. | ||
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On August 30 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote: Vivax lacks a lot of his natural sass this game, I can't tell if it makes him mafia. I'm actually sickly atm, my neck lymph nodes are quite massively swollen, if it isn't better tomorrow I'll see the doc. That should explain why I'm not in the mood for going all out on everything today. | ||
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On August 30 2015 04:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: tbh, both kels and vivax are too hard to read this early which is why lynching into them is too risky. i would do it if there was harder evidence but there isn't. :/ unfortunately, wat marv says leaves us with hopeless/mr. cc. I'm not really hard to read. How do you get to this conclusion? Isn't this the first time we play together? Cause as far as I know it is and I don't know how you got to make this statement. What stands out to me with more relevance to the current wagon now is that Palmar got suddenly scumread by CC but I don't know why except that he says he's playing abysmally when in previous posts he kept repeating that he couldn't tell if he was bad town or mafia. So I would like to know what got him confident on his Palmar being scum theory, it feels like he only changed his opinion cause I accused him of not doing it. | ||
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The post from VE that hopeless brought up needs an answer from Trfel, I can't find any looking through his filter. And what WoS mentioned isn't entirely correct, but partially. Kelsier posted a case of his own of which the part about WoS reasons to go after JAT coincided with what CC said in his own case, but the points about WoS way of handling moosy are only mentioned by Kelsier as far as I see. + Show Spoiler + On August 27 2015 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard. Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons. ##Vote: Wave JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good. When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate. How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch. All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow: Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"? On August 27 2015 21:20 KelsierSC wrote: Scum Wave - This comes down to a few points. One is his reentry to the thread saying oh yeh JAT is mafia but I can't get a further read because palmar is pushing him, it feels like trying to absolve himself of rseponsibility if the lynch is bad. The second point is how he tries to point out that moosy is pocketing him. he then wants to get moosy's thoughts and responds thusly. ok what did he make of all of moosy's actions? which is not true at all, Moosy had posted like a whole other page of stuff including changing his vote and giving a list of reads, feel like wave should be more invested than that. overall it just feels like he is happy to lynch JAT without commital whilst throwing suspicion at moosy. Right now I'm at a CC/Trfel/Kelsier/Palmar scum team based on their actions, the NKs and PoE. The NKs mostly make sense with a CC/Trfel/Kels scum team, but Palmar can also be mafia and the recent change of opinion on him by CC is explainable if they're a team, that's why I need an answer on that. Either that or CC changed opinion cause his read on Palmar not fleshing out before is part of the accusations. These are the people I'd lynch today with exception of Palmar, I actually hope he's town. VE and marv I'm mostly keeping on ice since I hope they likely will be proven to be mafia by not being killed in the future.Right now it's 8 to 3 so we got (tomorrow 6-3, the day after 4-3) 2 mislynches left until it's lylo. Moosy is also in my blind corner for now. I'll bother diving him later, derpy plays and strange behaviour yeah, but not sure if that makes him mafia. JAT gets a tentative townread for filter size but will have to re-evaluate if he stays alive. One thing that makes me paranoid here is that earlier in the game he tended to say I'm scum for his own reasons and now he mostly relies on what rsoultin said after Trfel asked him. So I'm curious to see how he would act if I ever were up for lynch, that justification sort of read like an excuse to not bother even though he should have an opinion. Hopeless and decon....meh. Hopeless is actually playing the game and even bringing up interesting things, ima go with a "let's see what happens" and a tentative town read. For decon I'll have to trust marv's check for the time being. If he's a GF we might lose the game, so I'll certainly try to judge him by his play if he stays alive for too long or we don't get to lynch a GF until then. That's where my head is at atm. | ||
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I think I'm wrong on someone here. | ||
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On August 31 2015 00:02 MoosyDoosy wrote: tbh I don't think Kels is Mafia. He has been very aggressive, but I don't know if you've been able to read it because it hasn't been directed at you. I'll have to take a look at this recent scum games and see exactly in which game he's "stepped it up" but I have a pretty solid townie tone read on him. Can you tell me where you got from that I'm hard to read? I'm actually pretty easy to read. | ||
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Cause being inactive on weekends is perfectly normal for him. Not sure if he mentioned this, but in case you didn't know, I told you. | ||
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Everyone besides I think Trfel, Kelsier and decon has shown interest into lynching you so if you agree with Trfel's logic, shouldn't you also be agreeing on these people being likely mafia? If you are town it also is a generally stupid assumption to make that mafia isn't interested in lynching you. | ||
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On August 31 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: Vivax why did you drop your suspicion on Trfel earlier? You mean on EoD 1? Cause BF ninjavoted and moved up the priority list. I was also entertaining the thought that Trfel and Palmar might be masons cause of their strange reads on each other (Palmar calling trfel town hero and 95 % town when it didn't make sense to me), but only asked about it on D2 for obvious reasons. Now that Palmar said that they aren't, I'm not believing him if he says something else. Enough time has passed and if they're indeed both mafia then you can roll with the assumption that it can be a fakeclaim if he starts saying the opposite, even if risky, and Palmar doesn't mind risky plays (read guardians of the galaxy). | ||
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On August 31 2015 01:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: Vivax, do you think Palmar is town? I've already said that I don't. CC you will have to explain to me why you vote for me right after Trfel offers you a lifebelt in form of a case on me and a defense of you but when I'm around you start pushing suspicion on Palmar and Kelsier and even say that you think Kelsier is more likely scum when I'm entertaining that notion myself. Seems kinda contradictory to your intentions. | ||
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Moosy: On August 31 2015 00:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: I think that there is mafia between trfel/hopeless/cc Why shenanny on Palmar over hopeless when given the chance now? Was his post enough to replace your entire scumread on hopeless? | ||
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