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On August 27 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:05 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read. what is it that is good about it? I got some feels about it a little early on because I'm used to JAT being a fun-killer as town and wasn't getting any of that, and he was fairly forgettable early as well when he has no problem inserting himself into stuff. The fact that Palmar when ham super early makes it more difficult for ME to get a better read on him, but also the fact that Palmar is going ham on him so early is a good sign based on my recent experiences with town Palmar, so I am absolutely fine sheeping here. Certainly doesn't hurt that marv agrees and is 99.9% town.
Kels asked you what specifically about Palmar's read is good, but instead you give a weak meta read that has nothing to do with Palmar's insistence that JAT is mafia.
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On August 27 2015 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean it's pretty obvious that I'm hinging my vote right now on Palmar's insistence that JAT is scum and the 'weak meta read' as you say is enough for me for my vote to stay there.
I'm sorry if you'd like for there to be more bu there isn't. If that makes me scum then go ahead.
You claim to have improved confidence in your playstyle but this seem contradictory.
So there is nothing you like about Palmar's case at all? Then why did you say that Palmar had a fairly decent read? There's a difference between sheeping because you think someone is better than you and sheeping because you think they have a good read.
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On August 27 2015 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 05:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 27 2015 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean it's pretty obvious that I'm hinging my vote right now on Palmar's insistence that JAT is scum and the 'weak meta read' as you say is enough for me for my vote to stay there.
I'm sorry if you'd like for there to be more bu there isn't. If that makes me scum then go ahead. You claim to have improved confidence in your playstyle but this seem contradictory. So there is nothing you like about Palmar's case at all? Then why did you say that Palmar had a fairly decent read? There's a difference between sheeping because you think someone is better than you and sheeping because you think they have a good read. If palmar is voting for JAT because he has caught him based on super early palmar-type read then it can be both. Lol I really don't even understand your problem. You can call be scum for being lazy or something or attempting to pawn off a potential town flip but I don't even know what your deal is with this
On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.
But you intentionally qualify your statement of "sheeping him" with the fact that Palmar has a fairly decent read. By saying "fairly decent read" you are submitting that you think Palmar's reasons, whether or not they came from Palmar or anyone else, are good. Your opinion is that Palmar's read is good. If you mean that: "I think Palmar's read is good because he is a good scum-hunter" has nothing to do with your PERSONAL opinion of the reasons for why JAT is mafia.
Kels wanted to know what you thought was good about Palmar's read too:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:05 KelsierSC wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.[/QUOTE]
You're sweet.
I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep.
I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.[/QUOTE]
what is it that is good about it?[/QUOTE]
You clearly are not sheeping Palmar because you think his read is good, because you have not once given a reason as to why that is the case. So it is not "both" as you say.
Either way, I think we are just going in circles. You are mafia for not evaluating the game critically, and refusing to even look at your current lynch target apart from, imho, a thin meta read. I do not think you have even read Palmar's reasons for wanting JAT dead.
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JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing.
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On August 27 2015 06:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing. Haha, you are a funny one. Weren't you the guy harddefending me earlier? And now you want to lynch me for being "objectively scummy" even though I wasn't even in the thread since then? It's midnight, I am drunk and I have to get up early tomorrow. If you think I will put any serious effort in right now you are delusional.
Actually, I really only defended you because I didn't feel like Palmar and company didn't have much of a case on you. I figured you were probably just town and Palmar was going nuts for no reason. However, between then and now you have complained quite a bit about the situation, and I'm glad that you are / will decide to do things
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Moosy I'm here entertain me
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I'm townreading moosy for asking where everyone is when he could easily just /afk
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On August 27 2015 10:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:Why exactly did you say that JAT was town earlier? What post/argument in particular made you change your mind.
I said somewhere that JAT was town, but I didn't really have a reason for it. I thought that Palmar's argument was bad, and figured that JAT was just the victim of Palmar's rage. He was probably just town being attacked. I did think, though, the way he stood his ground against Palmar was townie. However, somewhere along the line I realized that no matter JAT's alignment he can't just back down. I still don't think that Palmar's case has any weight, and this meta stuff i don't care about. I told JAT I'd lynch him if he didn't do anything productive, and that's true. He's complained about Palmar scumreading him but hasn't really done much (scumhunting) to earn himself a pass for today.
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On August 27 2015 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG PEOPLE
I'm not voting JAT, that's the important thing.
does anyone else find this post weird by VE?
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On August 27 2015 10:47 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 10:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 27 2015 00:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG PEOPLE
I'm not voting JAT, that's the important thing. does anyone else find this post weird by VE? I don't find it weird? Why do you?
It's really stupid. When he posted it in the thread --in the moment-- it felt like VE knew that JAT was town, and he was attempting to appeal to town by assuring them he wasn't voting him. Either that or he just didn't want to justify his position on JAT and wanted to put an end to the questioning. Looking back, it doesn't look like that. I was curious if anyone else had felt it
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On August 27 2015 10:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 10:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 27 2015 10:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 10:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Moosy I'm here entertain me Why exactly did you say that JAT was town earlier? What post/argument in particular made you change your mind. I said somewhere that JAT was town, but I didn't really have a reason for it. I thought that Palmar's argument was bad, and figured that JAT was just the victim of Palmar's rage. He was probably just town being attacked. I did think, though, the way he stood his ground against Palmar was townie. However, somewhere along the line I realized that no matter JAT's alignment he can't just back down. I still don't think that Palmar's case has any weight, and this meta stuff i don't care about. I told JAT I'd lynch him if he didn't do anything productive, and that's true. He's complained about Palmar scumreading him but hasn't really done much (scumhunting) to earn himself a pass for today. So...town read? scum read? null read? exactly where is he on ur list of reads.
It's evolved from probably just town to nullish into I-have-no-idea lol
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Trfel why is your most significant contribution to the game voting somebody who cannot defend themselves? 
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On August 27 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 10:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 27 2015 10:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 10:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 27 2015 10:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 10:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Moosy I'm here entertain me Why exactly did you say that JAT was town earlier? What post/argument in particular made you change your mind. I said somewhere that JAT was town, but I didn't really have a reason for it. I thought that Palmar's argument was bad, and figured that JAT was just the victim of Palmar's rage. He was probably just town being attacked. I did think, though, the way he stood his ground against Palmar was townie. However, somewhere along the line I realized that no matter JAT's alignment he can't just back down. I still don't think that Palmar's case has any weight, and this meta stuff i don't care about. I told JAT I'd lynch him if he didn't do anything productive, and that's true. He's complained about Palmar scumreading him but hasn't really done much (scumhunting) to earn himself a pass for today. So...town read? scum read? null read? exactly where is he on ur list of reads. It's evolved from probably just town to nullish into I-have-no-idea lol Why didn't you just read him as an angry townie and instead scum read JAT down to a null read? -shrugs- if you think there's no real case on him then he should be a town in your eyes. If that's the case, I think you should try to work with him to calm him down and get him to be productive. Instead i saw you scum reading him for being accused of what's "no real case" and getting angry over it.
I agree there was / is no real case on him, but JAT's reaction to the pressure is pretty horrible because he isn't doing anything productive. I figure if he were townie he'd shrug off the pressure and just give his reads. Right? I think mafia have a higher propensity to get angry about being scumread. I also wanted to see his reaction to me flipping on him. His reaction was thus:
On August 27 2015 06:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 06:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing. Haha, you are a funny one. Weren't you the guy harddefending me earlier? And now you want to lynch me for being "objectively scummy" even though I wasn't even in the thread since then? It's midnight, I am drunk and I have to get up early tomorrow. If you think I will put any serious effort in right now you are delusional.
It's part incorrect, part weird since he liked my posts about Wave. I also asked him nicely to be productive and rise from his ashes.
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I could go for a decondou lynch too. Clearly disinterested with the game, a common sign of having all the information already. Also votes Moosy who is most likely town at this point.
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Decondou and boxer are more scummy than Hopeless, if you want to talk about people that have a few posts. The info about hopeless is literally all OGI and irrelevant to this game imo
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On August 27 2015 11:11 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 11:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Decondou and boxer are more scummy than Hopeless, if you want to talk about people that have a few posts. The info about hopeless is literally all OGI and irrelevant to this game imo Hopeless1der is more likely to be scum than the other two because of meta. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491681-tropical-storm-mini-mafiaHere you go. It's not irrelevant, it's very relevant, and very useful.
Okay, so Hopeless is demoralized due to his last scum game and doesn't want to post. Or, he could just as easily be busy with whatever it is Hopeless does in his non-mafia time. Or he's town and just has no reads. Or he's just plainly disinterested in this game as either alignment, and is waiting to blow our minds. When his actual content within the realm of this game matches the game you've posted, then I will consider the information valuable.
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On August 27 2015 11:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 11:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Decondou and boxer are more scummy than Hopeless, if you want to talk about people that have a few posts. The info about hopeless is literally all OGI and irrelevant to this game imo I town tone read deconduo and boxer has done nothing. I don't really care to lynch either of them. Also, I am not most likely town this game. I've been playing very sub-optimally and have been deviating very far from my D1 meta which was a mistake on my part. -shrugs- But I'll make do for now until N1.
Boxer has made an entrance post, which exemplifies his thrill for playing as VT for the "fourth time in a row"! The more you call yourself not-town the more town you are.
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On August 27 2015 11:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm inclined to pressure deconduo and force him to give us reads. His absolute absence of any is rather worrying as he normally would have at least some. The only thing really going for him is tone reads.
What exactly is his "tone" in his posts? I'm reading his tone as ambivalent, which seems null at best. The only post I saw sort of town was his "let me tunnel" post because it seemed excited, but that excitement was quickly extinguished by him not doing anything.
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That feeling when you're playing so damn good that everyone thinks you're mafia for it. Just saying, 1.5 year old meta is all but abandoned at this point. I totally get why VE'd think I'd be mafia--he played in nomination with me--but he'd also think I were mafia If i led the wagon on justice on scum. Also he may still be salty from 2 years ago in Noir Mini where I destroyed him (OK, he had me down as mafia, but nobody else did and we shot VE in the night  ) as scum.
Marv is more mafia for calling me mafia. #omgus A player with good analytical skills like that is hinging on a tone / old meta read and I don't think I've played a game as scum with him in it before. And I'm like his top scumread besides JAT, who he was waffling on superhard before. I don't get it.
I still think Wave is mafia for not evaluating the game critically and letting Palmar do everything, it seems so textbook mafia. But he looks like he's been doing stuff since then, however mostly unrelated to figuring out JAT's alignment, which should be his number 1 priority as town. I actually agree with his point about KSC agreeing with the hopeless read, because the hopeless read is trash. The only problem is that I've been townreading KSC since ~a couple hours after I scumread him in my first post. But it's a matter of whether or not KSC actually agrees with the meta reasoning behind the read or not. He doesn't just agree because someone he admires said so, he agrees because he actually believes in a trash read.
Wave asked a question to JAT, something along the lines of: "did your read on me have anything to do with CC" and jat replied that it did not. However, JAT called my posts absolutely true and good. ???
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On August 28 2015 00:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
To clarify once more: WoS is happy to talk about other people, scumreading them/townreading them whatever. But he is completely ignoring his main lynch target. I mean...you're right, but considering what you seem to know of my play from your case, as which alignment do you think I'm more likely to do this? (yeah yeah WIFOM) I probably should actually objectively look at JAT thoughOnly recent thoughts I have on him are needlessly belligerent for absolutely no good reason, and not in the towny way where he's attacking people kinda way
Bold: Yes! DO THIS!
That's what made me think less of him!
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