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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
August 31 2015 13:28 GMT
#2761
On August 31 2015 22:25 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 31 2015 12:47 Trfel wrote:
On August 31 2015 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Trfel you're hurting my head. Why in the world is Palmar confirmed town? Why are you so ironclad on this fact?
Please, please, please ignore this.

Imagine for a moment that I gave you indisputable evidence that I am in fact town, and Palmar is also town.

I'm telling you that the scum team is KelsierSC, Vivax, and deconduo. For reasons previously stated, though if you would like me to clarify or further explain anything, I can do so.

Do you agree, or do you disagree, and why?

If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that your case against deconduo is very compelling.
Why does my alignment affect how compelling the case is? (actually curious what you're thinking, not criticizing)

(well okay, not criticizing yet, anyway)

let me rephrase that. If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that deconduo has to be Mafia here.

-squints- To be fair, I can see the crumbs that you guys were masons all along but I still find it annoying that you guys did the EoD shenanigans.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 31 2015 13:44 GMT
#2762
On August 31 2015 22:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 22:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 31 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 31 2015 12:47 Trfel wrote:
On August 31 2015 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Trfel you're hurting my head. Why in the world is Palmar confirmed town? Why are you so ironclad on this fact?
Please, please, please ignore this.

Imagine for a moment that I gave you indisputable evidence that I am in fact town, and Palmar is also town.

I'm telling you that the scum team is KelsierSC, Vivax, and deconduo. For reasons previously stated, though if you would like me to clarify or further explain anything, I can do so.

Do you agree, or do you disagree, and why?

If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that your case against deconduo is very compelling.
Why does my alignment affect how compelling the case is? (actually curious what you're thinking, not criticizing)

(well okay, not criticizing yet, anyway)

let me rephrase that. If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that deconduo has to be Mafia here.

-squints- To be fair, I can see the crumbs that you guys were masons all along but I still find it annoying that you guys did the EoD shenanigans.


It's not exactly crumbs.

In the QT I wrote "I'm not gonna claim mason, I'm just gonna hard defend you all the time"
Computer says mafia
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 31 2015 13:49 GMT
#2763
On August 31 2015 22:44 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 22:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 31 2015 22:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 31 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 31 2015 12:47 Trfel wrote:
On August 31 2015 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Trfel you're hurting my head. Why in the world is Palmar confirmed town? Why are you so ironclad on this fact?
Please, please, please ignore this.

Imagine for a moment that I gave you indisputable evidence that I am in fact town, and Palmar is also town.

I'm telling you that the scum team is KelsierSC, Vivax, and deconduo. For reasons previously stated, though if you would like me to clarify or further explain anything, I can do so.

Do you agree, or do you disagree, and why?

If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that your case against deconduo is very compelling.
Why does my alignment affect how compelling the case is? (actually curious what you're thinking, not criticizing)

(well okay, not criticizing yet, anyway)

let me rephrase that. If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that deconduo has to be Mafia here.

-squints- To be fair, I can see the crumbs that you guys were masons all along but I still find it annoying that you guys did the EoD shenanigans.


It's not exactly crumbs.

In the QT I wrote "I'm not gonna claim mason, I'm just gonna hard defend you all the time"

Yes, but Trfel did crumb and in combination it was pretty obvious. If you are what you claim I wonder why mafia did not act accordingly night1 or if they are just blind.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
August 31 2015 13:49 GMT
#2764
On August 31 2015 22:44 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 22:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 31 2015 22:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 31 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 31 2015 12:47 Trfel wrote:
On August 31 2015 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Trfel you're hurting my head. Why in the world is Palmar confirmed town? Why are you so ironclad on this fact?
Please, please, please ignore this.

Imagine for a moment that I gave you indisputable evidence that I am in fact town, and Palmar is also town.

I'm telling you that the scum team is KelsierSC, Vivax, and deconduo. For reasons previously stated, though if you would like me to clarify or further explain anything, I can do so.

Do you agree, or do you disagree, and why?

If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that your case against deconduo is very compelling.
Why does my alignment affect how compelling the case is? (actually curious what you're thinking, not criticizing)

(well okay, not criticizing yet, anyway)

let me rephrase that. If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that deconduo has to be Mafia here.

-squints- To be fair, I can see the crumbs that you guys were masons all along but I still find it annoying that you guys did the EoD shenanigans.


It's not exactly crumbs.

In the QT I wrote "I'm not gonna claim mason, I'm just gonna hard defend you all the time"

Out of deconduo/Vivax/Kelsier who do you think is most likely to be Mafia?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 31 2015 14:05 GMT
#2765
On August 31 2015 22:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 22:44 Palmar wrote:
On August 31 2015 22:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 31 2015 22:25 Trfel wrote:
On August 31 2015 22:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 31 2015 12:47 Trfel wrote:
On August 31 2015 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Trfel you're hurting my head. Why in the world is Palmar confirmed town? Why are you so ironclad on this fact?
Please, please, please ignore this.

Imagine for a moment that I gave you indisputable evidence that I am in fact town, and Palmar is also town.

I'm telling you that the scum team is KelsierSC, Vivax, and deconduo. For reasons previously stated, though if you would like me to clarify or further explain anything, I can do so.

Do you agree, or do you disagree, and why?

If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that your case against deconduo is very compelling.
Why does my alignment affect how compelling the case is? (actually curious what you're thinking, not criticizing)

(well okay, not criticizing yet, anyway)

let me rephrase that. If I assume that you and Palmar are confirmed town then yes, I would have to say that deconduo has to be Mafia here.

-squints- To be fair, I can see the crumbs that you guys were masons all along but I still find it annoying that you guys did the EoD shenanigans.


It's not exactly crumbs.

In the QT I wrote "I'm not gonna claim mason, I'm just gonna hard defend you all the time"

Out of deconduo/Vivax/Kelsier who do you think is most likely to be Mafia?

I don't know if this is a group question, but Kelsier is the only one in that list that is up for lynch tomorrow. I think if they live the night, tomorrow is when you decide if you believe Palmar/Trfel's claim or not, if you don't you vote one of them, if you do you vote Kelsier.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 31 2015 14:07 GMT
#2766
And it may be a thing where it doesn't matter and everyone afk votes for Kelsier anyway.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
August 31 2015 14:08 GMT
#2767
The point is that Kelsier is mafia and I'm in the camp where he dies tomorrow.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 31 2015 15:08 GMT
#2768
RIP KSC
Computer says mafia
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 31 2015 15:14 GMT
#2769
On September 01 2015 00:08 Palmar wrote:
RIP KSC

:/
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 31 2015 15:57 GMT
#2770
Where the fuck is marv? The weekend is over.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
August 31 2015 17:30 GMT
#2771
1 of Trfel or Palmar has to die at some point or we risk getting played, it's amusing and wrong that they think a mass claim would work in their favour.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
August 31 2015 17:35 GMT
#2772
On August 31 2015 20:10 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2015 19:44 Palmar wrote:
On August 31 2015 18:59 deconduo wrote:
There is a very easy way to verify you are both masons together. Pick a time, and within 5 seconds of each other post both:

- The solution to a relatively complicated equation
- And the equation itself.

For example something like:


On August 31 2015 13:00 Palmar wrote:
23


On August 31 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote:
((127 * 6) + 12 - 567) / (3 + (12/2))

I think this is against the spirit of the game and I'm just not going to do it.

It is irrelevant anyways. It would only reveal if at least one of you is town and VT instead of mason since this wouldn't prove if you are mason or mafia.


This is a good plan and if it's within the rules it should be carried out.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
August 31 2015 17:45 GMT
#2773
I don't give a shit if they have crumbed their roles their play all around is suspicious. The waffling, the contradictory things they said, and alone the fact that we'd have masons in the game.

There is no big game plan behind them keeping it secret except to make it look more authentic since if that were the case, they wouldn't come out with it during the night.

Then there's to matter of Trfel talking to me and CC as if he knew we were town and in the next posts he starts posting cases on me, when he was already scumreading me before.

I don't believe a thing these two say until a flip proves them to be what they claim to be.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 31 2015 17:58 GMT
#2774
What waffling and contradictions are you talking about exactly? Why wouldn't we have masons in the game?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
August 31 2015 18:19 GMT
#2775
On September 01 2015 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:
What waffling and contradictions are you talking about exactly? Why wouldn't we have masons in the game?


The EoD stuff where Trfel says one thing and Palmar the other. And as for not having masons, ima go into that later.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
August 31 2015 19:12 GMT
#2776
The point about the waffling is that I don't see the town motivation to keep it secret during the day and then go back on it during the night. On top of it Palmar stops trolling right after revealing that and Trfel also goes ham like crazy. It just doesn't seem like the right play I would expect from Palmar.

Ideally they would have either claimed it during the day and then steered the lynch where they wanted it to be making use of their confirmed until disproven status. Instead we see Palmar actually not giving a shit about who got lynched while claiming he wasn't a mason, and Trfel not giving a shit until Palmar was about to be lynched.

They both agreed that CC was a bad lynch afterwards, yet Trfel only came out with information and posts when Palmar was threatened, not CC.

This is more important for D4 or something cause tomorrow we're afk lynching Kelsier. One thing I'd be interested in is why he actually threw the game like that. The only way I see him making a play like that as town is by being able to save himself proving that he has a role with irrefutable evidence, and even then I'd be curious to know why he would ninja vote at all. And the only reason he'd do that as mafia is that he's convinced that his team can't win the game, cause it's an incredible dick move towards his teammates. There's also the chance he was just lazy.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
August 31 2015 19:41 GMT
#2777
I'm just going to say if you are blue then claim right away tomorrow. I'll reevaluate after Marv gets NK'd despite him playing like a total shitter.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 31 2015 19:43 GMT
#2778
On September 01 2015 04:12 Vivax wrote:
Ideally they would have either claimed it during the day and then steered the lynch where they wanted it to be making use of their confirmed until disproven status. Instead we see Palmar actually not giving a shit about who got lynched while claiming he wasn't a mason, and Trfel not giving a shit until Palmar was about to be lynched.

They both agreed that CC was a bad lynch afterwards, yet Trfel only came out with information and posts when Palmar was threatened, not CC.
This portion is factually incorrect. I did care about the lynch, and I wanted to lynch Vivax. However, as stated, I didn't have any time to really play after Saturday evening.

And I did state that I didn't want Mr. Cheesecake to be lynched well before.

Vivax is throwing doubt where there shouldn't be and lying because he knows that if the mason claim is believed, mafia loses.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
August 31 2015 20:14 GMT
#2779
On September 01 2015 04:43 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2015 04:12 Vivax wrote:
Ideally they would have either claimed it during the day and then steered the lynch where they wanted it to be making use of their confirmed until disproven status. Instead we see Palmar actually not giving a shit about who got lynched while claiming he wasn't a mason, and Trfel not giving a shit until Palmar was about to be lynched.

They both agreed that CC was a bad lynch afterwards, yet Trfel only came out with information and posts when Palmar was threatened, not CC.
This portion is factually incorrect. I did care about the lynch, and I wanted to lynch Vivax. However, as stated, I didn't have any time to really play after Saturday evening.

And I did state that I didn't want Mr. Cheesecake to be lynched well before.

Vivax is throwing doubt where there shouldn't be and lying because he knows that if the mason claim is believed, mafia loses.

The problem is mafia does not automatically lose and he IS right. If you 2 heroes would have claimed earlier you could have easily had this lynch go the way you want it. But you didn't. For some inexplicable reason.
Yes, he is overdramatic about it and this is something Palmar would absolutely do since he just is an ass like that.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
August 31 2015 21:21 GMT
#2780
If there are no further blue roles claim then I see no reason to not doubt the mason role.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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