A guy who makes little to no sense as town but seems rather astute when he pulls Mafia. He is also an Oprah with his town reads early on in this game.

Edit: He is also an Oprah with his town reads early on in the game when he is Mafia.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

August 30 2015 00:15 GMT

#2482

Vote Count

Mr. Cheesecake (4): Marvellosity, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, MoosyDoosy

Not Voting (7): Vivax, Hopeless1der, Deconduo, KelsierSC, Mr. Cheesecake, Trfel, Palmar

Currently, Mr. Cheesecake is set to be lynched. Day ends at Sunday, Aug 30 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

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Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 30 2015 00:17 GMT

#2483

On August 30 2015 08:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:

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Edit: He is also an Oprah with his town reads early on in the game when he is Mafia.

So because I am astute and had early town reads I am mafia?

Trfel

7015 Posts

August 30 2015 00:18 GMT

#2484

Basically everyone but me is townreading VisceraEyes.

I keep forgetting why this is. Can someone please remind me?

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 30 2015 00:20 GMT

#2485

Well Trfel there are scum in this game and scum don't need reasons to townread people.

Trfel

7015 Posts

August 30 2015 00:32 GMT

#2486

Mr. Cheesecake, how late are you staying up tonight?

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 30 2015 00:38 GMT

#2487

On August 29 2015 21:35 Vivax wrote:
Revisiting D1 I notice that the stuff around Trfel missing the sarcasm in BF's post provokes curious cause different reactions in the CC/Jat/me triad.

CC hard townreads JAT.

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On August 26 2015 22:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:

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Jat is town because he didn't just fall over to Palmar's pressure. He defended his position on the Trfel read and called it the most relevant thing in the thread.

But the same thing with Trfel left him with a "back and forth" on him, while for both me and jat it felt like it appeared to have more weight than just that.

On the other hand for me it didn't feel like that alone is a reason to TR jat. Same for him. But certainly I did find it noteworthy that we all noticed the same thing, with CC acting in the most different way.

My main point remains the way CC says "Then Palmar is mafia" without following up on it, I still can't get over that. On top of it, he said that roughly 1 hour after Palmar put Trfel into the town pile.

If I then assume CC's perspective, I see Palmar dismissing my point about Trfel, townreading him for reasons I don't know, scumreading my townread, and calling him mafia if the push is not fake.

Why not do anything about this afterwards? The followup is a big post on Wave instead when I would expect way more suspicion on Palmar given the opposing opinions and the way he said he would be mafia for pushing Jat in case he's srs.

I dont even know what Vivax is saying in the first few sentences. His only point on me is that I call Palmar mafia and don't follow up on it. Idk what the stuff is about Trfel, he doesn't have to do much with this other than that there was a JAT read on Trfel. I don't think I ever said anything about Palmar's read on Trfel. I actually agreed with Palmar when he debunked my point on townreading JAT, but Vivax totally misses this and doesn't bring it up.

If the best Vivax has is that I didn't followup on the Palmar is mafia read, he's going to have to do way better especially when I agreed with Palmar on certain points after that post and began to want to lynch JAT if he didn't do anything. Because one finds other targets to pursue rather than one specific person does not make them mafia. It actually makes them more town for considering more than just one possibility.

This filter-going of mine from Vivax feels the most forced out of anyone scumreading me.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 30 2015 00:38 GMT

#2488

On August 30 2015 09:32 Trfel wrote:
Mr. Cheesecake, how late are you staying up tonight?

Like 30 mins because I work tomorrow

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 30 2015 00:39 GMT

#2489

How anyone can honestly think I'm mafia is beyond me.

Trfel

7015 Posts

August 30 2015 00:42 GMT

#2490

On August 30 2015 09:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
How anyone can honestly think I'm mafia is beyond me.

I sort of think you're town here.

And by that I mean I do think you're town, but I haven't read your filter.

I think I agree on Vivax being scummy.

If anyone is staying up late tonight, I'd really appreciate having someone to work with, it gets quite lonely...

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 30 2015 00:42 GMT

#2491

Trfel you've got me for a little bit, what's on the mind?

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 30 2015 00:43 GMT

#2492

actually what do you think of Vivax's point on me?

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

August 30 2015 00:51 GMT

#2493

On August 30 2015 01:49 Palmar wrote:

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Thi is why you don't get to complain, there is no reason to take you seriously while you think this.

This is why your play sucks ass if you are town. There is no reason to take you seriously while you think this.

Trfel

7015 Posts

August 30 2015 00:51 GMT

#2494

I'm looking through Vivax's filter, and I'm noticing some small things. It makes me suspicious of him, but they are by no means condemning. It's difficult because Vivax generally doesn't do very much as mafia, so it's hard for me to tell here.

Perhaps the thing I found most interesting was the way his read on boxerfred changed. Boxerfred made all of his posts, and Vivax claimed that boxerfred and Hopeless1der were coinflip lynches and he'd rather lynch me (Trfel) instead. Then, he said that there was no reason to lynch boxerfred because he was getting modkilled, and if he voted he'd be an easy catch the next day. Then when boxerfred voted in the voting thread, Vivax decided that he was certain scum and didn't want to lynch me any more.

This doesn't make sense to me. Boxerfred had already declared his intention of not playing and making a pointless vote, but Vivax didn't see any way of reading into his alignment. I don't understand how Vivax went from this to wanting to lynch only boxerfred.

However, I do think that Vivax's point on you (Mr. Cheesecake) makes sense, at least the second part, anyway. I haven't really read your filter yet, but without doing so, it's somewhat compelling.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

August 30 2015 00:54 GMT

#2495

Trfel, why should any sane being consider you confirmed town?

Trfel

7015 Posts

August 30 2015 00:57 GMT

#2496

On August 30 2015 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Trfel, why should any sane being consider you confirmed town?

Because this isn't my scum play, and in a way that would be extremely difficult for me to fake as town. Because while I have done some things that seem "strange", they have no mafia motivation (further suggesting that I am town). Because of how terrible my last scum game was.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 30 2015 00:57 GMT

#2497

and another point for Vivax's "case" about why I haven't continued to pursue Palmar. It's impossible to know Palmar's intentions / how bad he is tunneling until day 2. Clearly at this point he is still tunneling, but at the time (early night 1) Vivax expects me to suddenly go ape shit on Palmar because of his incessant tunneling. He hasn't realized, but I've clearly scumread Palmar since after day 1 for his terrible play.

justanothertownie

16320 Posts

August 30 2015 00:58 GMT

#2498

On August 30 2015 09:57 Trfel wrote:

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Yeah, no.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

August 30 2015 01:02 GMT

#2499

On August 28 2015 02:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also Palmar is playing very badly if he is town, he needs to reevaluate his top scumread pronto. If he comes to the same conclusion: fantastic, I just need the evidence he believes is noteworthy so I can actually read him town.

Did Vivax miss this post? I've been pledging for him to reevaluate JAT / update his scumread.