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Some downtime at work. Reading through more filters.
Shining, I have a question for you. Let's say Tubesock gets modkilled. You understandably flipped your read on geript. Knowing what I know about basic setup, my guess is there are 4-5 scum on the scumteam, so who else do you think is/may be mafia?
In your filter Tube would be the only one you have on the table. What about Lord and ruXxar?
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EBWOP - What do you think about Lord and ruxxar - or any of the others being discussed (Fidei in particular is another a few want to lynch).
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On August 19 2015 14:32 Tubesock wrote: Chez, Breshke townpile.
Ritoky and Damdred probs town. I can't blame them for being bad roleplayers. The BH's RNG is easy enough to research that I think mafia would go the extra distance to copy it and avoid scrutiny. If anything he's null.
I didn't like Tictock's entrance or posts but it's cause he reminds me of Trfel.
Shining you going to lay a trap or what?
*postgame cred hilarity - Chez and Fecalfeast are actually partners and scumming Damdred for Chezinu Rule continuity. Trolly troll trolls from trollerville.
On August 20 2015 16:39 Tubesock wrote: I meant your thoughts on Damdred THIS game.
I don't particularly care if he roleplays or not. I think of this game like a big chance for everyone to smurf. In the beginning of the game Damdred was posting his rp and it sparked conversation. It got Chezinu salty, Fecalfeast, and geript as well. Stepping back I got some reads watching them go. So, to me Damdred was useful. Now, like everyone else I wish he would answer TickTock questions and post more since his phone internet is fixed (*5 hours??)
So, did YOU Fidei gain anything from him?
Alright, so Tube, you told me that your "you scum Damdred" was in response to Fecalfeast. Fine.
You explained why you thought Damdred was useful but where are you distinguishing he's town? Is there a quote? A reaction? A response?
There are several players that are saying (besides myself) that a) he could be roleplaying as either alignment, geript himself has said he can't get a read (or positive town/not town read either way), so taking that assumption and even if he's getting reactions, how do you know he's not doing it as scum?
Am I making sense here?
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ruXxar, you dropped your geript push for OWS. Do you still think geript is mafia? If so, why?
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Damdred, do you have any actual reads?
(Besides geript, I assume from your writing, you are townreading geript.)
Should I also assume you are scumreading WoS?
On August 19 2015 07:31 Damdred wrote: Wave is scary, his,face reminds me of what I saw when I looked under my bed. What friend will protect me? Who will be my friend?
If so, why?
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On August 21 2015 00:45 yamato77 wrote: So this is a fun game
Do you have anything to share? Any reads?
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On August 21 2015 00:43 Fidei86 wrote: HTS I posted a case on VA and nobody has commented on it. What do you think?
Alright, there is actually a reason for this, a lot is with your inexperience.
On August 20 2015 20:51 Fidei86 wrote: I think there is a reasonable scum case to be made on VayneAuthority.
His filter is currently less than a page long, and consists almost entirely of one-line posts that appear to be attempts to roleplay someone. No idea who though. It could be a comically poor rsoult (just for use of the kiss at the end?), I guess, but whatever. If it was just weak roleplay then I would have to stop, as I've already said that I'm staying null on people who give nothing away via roleplay (I'm mostly thinking of Damdred, and possibly KSC, although I think this is just how he actually plays) at least for a little while longer. But it isn't.
He has roleplaying posts:
"Hello dearies, I am here to solve the game x" (#401) "I am your only hope, sweetie. I will vote whoever I damn please when I want to because you are all bad." (#404) "A good strategy, except we won't mislynch because I am the best player of all time. Not to worry QT." (#499)
But, crucially, he also has some posts that at least purport to be more serious comment on the game. However, they all end up nowhere. He prods HTS for trying to get people onto the Ruxx wagon (#495), says he doesn't know what to make of my big WoT (#497), says that all JJ has done is to "post asinine Wots" (#498) - which, by the way, I don't agree with because at that point JJ had already started making more substantive posts (see, for example, #482), and asks what Lord Tolkien had said about him (#571). The sum of his posts has been to try and soft scum myself, HTS and JJ, but without committing to an actual read, or even really giving serious thoughts on any of us at all.
The sum of all of this is that VA appears to be trying to do as little as possible, whilst also trying to cover that with some half-assed roleplay (ie "of course I've been useless, I'm emulating X who is useless"). But that doesn't work when you slip and actually make posts that look much more like they're coming straight from VA, unfiltered by roleplay.
The only thing that gives me pause is his last post, which says "I have no thoughts on this game right now bye." (#650). I wouldn't have expected mafia to make such a scummy post to sit in amongst such a small filter. But I think the answer is that it's more weak roleplay attempt.
VA as town, plays like this. All the time. The person he is, is marvellosity, a player you have had practically zero exposure to I believe.
Even as recently as a few months ago, I tried to read VA on a tryhard = scum meta but it was in another game that JAT and marv (who are two very reliable town players) themselves looked at his meta as "town = gives few fucks if any, and no agenda" and "scum = gives more fucks and has an agenda usually"
VA is always going to have a short filter, and most of his work when I've played with him is meta-based - he reads filters and reads past games - he does work but you won't see it in his filter. You think you're anti-spam - you've made that point before, he's basically you x10 in that respect.
Right now, he's nullish. I've seen some of the poking, prodding, I think the follow-through from him is key, he has said in other games where if he has nothing to contribute, he won't contribute instead of faking it, the latter of which is scum agenda. And that's where that post #650 you cite might make him town. I am interested to see if he comments on any of the recent points on ruXxar, you or Tubesock (the current top wagons) but where he tends to post more is based on night actions and off evidence where a mafia has already flipped.
Your case on him is towny from the sense you don't know him at all, nor the player he's emulating. I doubt it's accurate but you are certainly not scum for it.
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OWS, right now I'm at ruXxar/LT/Tubesock/yamato.
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I typically try to find the scum individually D1, get a flip or info from a VCA and then work from there. I don't think in teams D1 unless there's some strong correlation right now between people that I'm not seeing.
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I should have said that top scum reads are those four as of now, not necessarily that they were a team I was unclear there.
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Leaving the office now, but I'll be back after dinner for sure.
EoD being at midnight, I should be around, but I also haven't been feeling well physically or mentally for reasons unrelated to this game. Hopefully better after I return home tomorrow. >_<
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Yamato, why do you think geript is mafia? What specifically makes you think that (besides OMGUS)?
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On August 21 2015 02:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Damdred can you do something super towny for me?
I understand his last post to be reads albeit in character speak. Do you think his last post was scummy?
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On August 21 2015 02:02 Damdred wrote: Greetings to all and may your soul be merry oj this joyous day.
The bank has opened its doors so you may have a look at the books. Because the bank has kept a list and it is now on public display.
Damdreds great friends ows and geript have received a total of 10 cheznoes this erases geripts loan payment and has kept him out of debt! Aren't friends great both of these guys are receiving alignment presents hopefully my umbrella is big enough to protect all three.
HTS and Shining have both received 5 cheznoes they are able to multiply there earnings soon. But no presents tonight I'm afraid.
Sadly there are some people who haven't invested in the bank nor want anything to do with them.
Ruxxar is just so mean and not fun what use would he have for a bank in his dastardly plans.
Chez the most fun has sank into the heart of despair and darkness and eyes are made of fire
FF is just so sad and lonely maybe the damdred rule misfired? Doubt seeps in what is a damdred to do he might investbine day further notes must be taken.
For now that's all you get the bank will open again soon be patient and say those deposits
At OWS - I don't see how this post (outside character speak) is scummy - maybe he could elaborate on Chez/Fecalfeast - although if I'm reading it right, FF scumread him earlier. I read FF's filter and as mafia FF does way more shitposting than I am seeing here. I would not categorise FF's posting as shit up the thread unless Damdred you are scumreading him for other reasons. (Damdred or Chezinu rule?)
(I have had it explained to me before and I keep forgetting but could someone remind me what the Chezinu rule actually is? If it was posted before and I missed it, a page number will do.)
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On August 21 2015 02:26 geript wrote: Basically, we should be lynching one of VA, Yamato, Kelsier or Chezinu. All of them know about the game. All of them have posted. None of them care to do anything or in any way help lynch actual scum. Like these votes for ruxxar who has the longest fucking filter are pretty fucking egregious when we have dickheals like these 4 who choose not to play. Lynch them. Shoot them. Tell them to go fuck themselves.
Yamato, I agree. I don't understand why he's scumreading you anyways.
Kelsier, he's calling the ruXxar votes dumb (I know you and Fidei explained) but he's not as far as I can tell providing alternatives, so I can agree with that.
VA, based off what I know on meta, where are you hinting at for scum agenda? He doesn't really do much as town especially d1. This push I understand less.
Chezinu in general is in the DT check category for me. I've only played one game with him and I never really "read" him (I was mafia and he was town) so from what I read of your last read on him it seems like meta, and I don't really want to meta him off one game, I think for me blue roles should resolve him.
ruXxar, I think his pushes on you are bad, it seems like he's trying to see whatever sticks, I want to see more from him to be quite honest since enough time has elapsed, don't care if he's in character or not but I want him to be cleaer in his direction like he was in NSM12 and he was town.
ruXxar has had long filters as scum, he can and is capable of shitposting. I disagree with you that long filter makes him town.
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Kels you are here. What are your top scumreads?
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On August 21 2015 02:31 Fidei86 wrote: As I understand it, someone acts super troll-y for d1, and the first people who don't know that the person trolling is trolling to call the 'troll' scum are mafia.
It's stupid and I've never seen it work.
That is stupid if that's what it is. I personally can't tell whether people are sarcastic on forums in general without the use of emoticons or whatever. *shrug*
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On August 21 2015 02:34 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2015 02:33 Half the Sky wrote: Kels you are here. What are your top scumreads? dont have any
Seriously?
We're 44 pages into the game and you are telling me you don't have opinions on Fidei or Tubesock at least those two being the other two competing wagons?
You have/had an opinion on ruXxar and he's the leading wagon - you said previously you wanted to sheep town reads, so where are your strong town reads right now even?
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Another point I want to bring up I believe geript and WoS in their filters brought up competing points on Lord Tolkien at some point.
WoS townread him for meta, wasn't really specific if I recall right. geript scumread him for being below expectations (paraphrasing, correct if wrong) - personally without playing with him I didn't like certain points. geript, what changed about him, and why should/shouldn't we lynch him?
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On August 21 2015 02:37 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2015 02:36 Half the Sky wrote:On August 21 2015 02:34 KelsierSC wrote:On August 21 2015 02:33 Half the Sky wrote: Kels you are here. What are your top scumreads? dont have any Seriously? We're 44 pages into the game and you are telling me you don't have opinions on Fidei or Tubesock at least those two being the other two competing wagons? You have/had an opinion on ruXxar and he's the leading wagon - you said previously you wanted to sheep town reads, so where are your strong town reads right now even? waiting for marvauthority to vote then just sheep that
Let's say VA votes ruXxar. Then what?
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