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On September 05 2015 08:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:01 geript wrote:
So JJ still had a nuke? Meh whatever. Seriously. I'm getting myself modkilled if I ever roll mason again. No he didn't it was an autoloss. Geript you stopped trying like right after I died  Y u do dat
I got fucking rsoultin. Not any of the fucking people I actually wanted to roll. Not a single one. I get a fucking mason. WHich is like the most fucking useless headache of a fucking roll ever. I get in a game where the playerlist in general is fucking terrible and the D1 lynch was fucking toxic. I literally only played to avoid a fucking ban. Like, it's really fucking bullshit.
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On September 05 2015 08:04 geript wrote:
I'm confused though, why did it end early. Mafia NK 1, and it's 1-1-1. A lynch still can happen.
can you post the rest of the mason qt's?
I want to know the last words your fellow towns said to you before they died.
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On September 05 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
I told town look how Oneg does hi games with 3p ippo ended the same way. I even confirmed it but didn't want to get lynched
Yah, well that's fucking bullshit. It's literally the dumbest thing ever. It's a really bad hosting practice because 3P can still fucking lose.
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@Onegu or Rsoultin. Why the fuck did you end the game early if all sides still have a chance to lose. Like 1-1-1 isn't a confirmed win for anyone.?
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Whatever, next fucking themed game I'll just intentionally throw like the rest of town did. Fuck it doesn't matter.
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Well that sucks, didn't think the game would end with just one mafia left there.
I'll accept w/e blame people want to throw at me.
Though I don't understand how you could believe I'd blow my vote manipulation like that then have no endgame plan if I was mafia.
I've never head of a vote rigger before so I was just flying by the seat of my pants on how to use it. I prob should have tried to talk things over more with Damdred rather than make it a show, but I was having fun and though rit really had a decent shot at being mafia.
And yea, I think what damdred said is true, there didn't look like there was any chance of talking sense into the rest of town that last day. I had no idea that my ability would cause so much paranoia in people.
Well played JJ, you deserved that win far more than town did at that point.
I'm gunna take solace in the fact that my reads weren't half bad most of this game.
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On September 05 2015 08:10 geript wrote:
Whatever, next fucking themed game I'll just intentionally throw like the rest of town did. Fuck it doesn't matter.
Unless Chez is host right? Cause I have been thinking about hosting one.
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TT, you just had really bad use of your role. It was you vs JJ and town should've had time to lynch both. However, host ended game early so fuck it.
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On September 05 2015 08:12 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:10 geript wrote:
Whatever, next fucking themed game I'll just intentionally throw like the rest of town did. Fuck it doesn't matter. Unless Chez is host right? Cause I have been thinking about hosting one.
I'd cohost
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GGWP JJ. My thoughts are in the obs thread and they need no explaining.
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On September 05 2015 07:05 Onegu wrote:
This was mylo there were no protective roles left. Once it was 1-1-1 3p was neutral and scums win con was to equal anti scum roles.
If this is your scum wincon, then you need to fix the wincon or post that at the start of the game. Because that 100% changes how the game is played. Like that's really fucking awful.
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On September 05 2015 08:14 geript wrote:
TT, you just had really bad use of your role. It was you vs JJ and town should've had time to lynch both. However, host ended game early so fuck it.
Yep, but there was no way I was mafia for it. Tunnel was all you man.
You (actually we) shoulda listened to Fidei in that last night phase.
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On September 05 2015 07:28 kitaman27 wrote:Shout-out to chez for the very amusing traitor play. :D Where did the mason qt end up going? I kinda gave him a nudge here but we never made contact. Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 07:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Jj was squeaky clean all game.
That should have been everyone's first clue. I think the biggest clue should have been the FF nuke. FF the claimed cop is about to alignment check KSC the biggest lynch suspect and then I show up at the end of the night and shoot him out of the blue XD
Yah, I thought about that. The problem was that the FF Nuke + the ritoky push is just as bad as the shit JJ did. Plus, I couldn't believe that a host would have as fucking terrible wincons as existed in this game.
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On September 05 2015 07:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Tictock.
Seriously.
Fuck you.
Gunna /in any game your in just to call you mafia now for no reason.
Help a brother get a townread next time will ya?
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@TT desperately trying to pm you from my phone but I can't. Basicall, I think you played okay and I would probably have done the same that you did. Also, do I get props for finally town reading you :-) ?
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On September 05 2015 08:16 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:14 geript wrote:
TT, you just had really bad use of your role. It was you vs JJ and town should've had time to lynch both. However, host ended game early so fuck it. Yep, but there was no way I was mafia for it. Tunnel was all you man. You (actually we) shoulda listened to Fidei in that last night phase.
You still don't understand. You weren't getting mafia red for using the role. That wasn't the problem. It's a case of HOW you used the role. Because yes, there are times when as town, you should sack up and take a lynch. You should've tried to get OWS or JJ or Fido; any of the non-confirmed.
Fuck listening to fido. That shit is irrelevant. In any normal game, we have time to lynch both you and JJ. Hosts win cons are just super fucked up.
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Blazinghand
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No comment on how this game should have ended or on wincons.
Theorycrafting though is a lot of fun!
Interestingly, in 1-1-1 with Survivor, Goon, VT, assuming that your possibilities are:
Goon + VT = Scum win
Goon + Survivor = Scum + Survivor Win
VT + Survivor = Town + Survivor win
So the goon wins no matter who he lynches, as long as it's not him. The same is true for the Survivor. Both of these guys don't PARTICULARLY Care who dies, as long as it's not them. The VT, however, specifically wants to lynch the goon and NOT the survivor. So, assuming everyone knows that the setup is "goon survivor vt" what's the right move?
Well, first off, the Survivor and Goon are in the same circumstances except that Goon is under extra pressure cause VT wants to lynch him. So as Survivor, you can escape getting lynched by saying "hay guyz, I'm the Survivor." And why not? The Goon already knows you're either Survivor or VT and either way is fine with lynching you. The VT wants to lynch scum so he's like "ahhh yeah let's lynch the not-survivor". So what does goon do? well, he also says "I'm the Survivor" cause if he says he's a VT or something, the VT will know he's the Goon.
Now VT can either claim VT or Survivor here. If he claims Survivor, this becomes a 1-1-1 of PURE POLITICS. Basically, all players are pretending to be in the same boat: "if the other guys get lynched instead of me, I win" but the VT is actually trying to get the goon lynched. So now everyone starts trying to insinuate each other as goons. Why? Well let's say you're Goon or Survivor in this situation. You can get an easy win by convincing the VT that the other goon/survivor is the real Goon, since VT wants to lynch him before anything else. Now... you don't know who the VT is, so this is tricky, cause obviously you won't convince him that HIMSELF is the goon. What a delightfully complex scenario!
Now, if VT claims VT, things can go one of two ways. Both "Survivors" can vote him, or they can try to convince him that the other one is the goon. This is less interesting and a bit more straightforwards. If they both vote him, they still will jockey to convince him who the "Real" goon is, because if the VT votes you (as a survivor/goon) there's always a chance your compatriot will betray you. As long as the VT and the other survivor/goon crossvote, your victory is assured.
Either way, it's pretty fun.
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Like I would have been on OWS 1,000,000% if I'm in the game. He was scummy, and the fact that you weren't all over him suggested you were actually thinking about the game. Too bad town didn't listen.
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On September 05 2015 08:19 Tictock wrote:Gunna /in any game your in just to call you mafia now for no reason. Help a brother get a townread next time will ya?
Nah I'm just gonna blacklist you.
You've developed this nasty tendency to never read anything I write so stay away from me. We're done.
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