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Message Blazinghand if you request a ban please ^_^
Also when the game you're sitting out is over!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-16 19:59:09
October 16 2015 19:58 GMT
#201
Okay, thanks for the input, Koshi. Let me know if anything else concerns you. I consider this matter closed.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
October 16 2015 20:42 GMT
#202
Was going to comment, but then saw that JAT and Onegu both said the same things I would have done otherwise.
Nothing more really to add on that front.

On October 16 2015 09:59 sicklucker wrote:
Bh just change the games to a set time and we will all have alot less work to do. it just makes sense the ban system is dumb


Saw this as well...I can see pros and cons to this...static time tracking is easier to manage but if there's a load of minis being missed out on, it's more games missed....IDK.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 16 2015 21:38 GMT
#203
On October 17 2015 05:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Saw this as well...I can see pros and cons to this...static time tracking is easier to manage but if there's a load of minis being missed out on, it's more games missed....IDK.

Yea, I don't particularly like time-based bans because it doesn't treat people equally.

Let's say you have someone like me who plays 2-3 games a year. If, in my last game, I got a 1 month ban, it wouldn't even matter since I haven't played a game in like 7 months anyways.

If marv or rayn in their prime playing days got a one month ban, they would miss like maybe 4-5 games.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-16 21:44:51
October 16 2015 21:42 GMT
#204
On October 17 2015 06:38 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2015 05:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Saw this as well...I can see pros and cons to this...static time tracking is easier to manage but if there's a load of minis being missed out on, it's more games missed....IDK.

Yea, I don't particularly like time-based bans because it doesn't treat people equally.

Let's say you have someone like me who plays 2-3 games a year. If, in my last game, I got a 1 month ban, it wouldn't even matter since I haven't played a game in like 7 months anyways.

If marv or rayn in their prime playing days got a one month ban, they would miss like maybe 4-5 games.


Historically, this is the reason that the community has gone for "1 game ban" instead of like, 3 week ban or whatever. For example, a common ban is for someone abandoning a game. (They sign up, play for 48 or 72 hours, then disappear). If this person shows up 3 months later and just signs up for another game, the "1 month ban" does nothing while the "1 game ban" has them sit a game out. Lots of people play only occasionally. That's not to say there aren't reasons we might want time rather than game based bans; but that's the reason the decision was made in the past, and on the other occasions this issue has been brought up.

If you feel like banning based on games isn't great, and have other suggestions, that's a great reason to open a new thread to discuss it in, rather than post in the ban list which is probably best reserved for talking about bans.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 16 2015 21:43 GMT
#205
On October 17 2015 06:38 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2015 05:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Saw this as well...I can see pros and cons to this...static time tracking is easier to manage but if there's a load of minis being missed out on, it's more games missed....IDK.

Yea, I don't particularly like time-based bans because it doesn't treat people equally.

Let's say you have someone like me who plays 2-3 games a year. If, in my last game, I got a 1 month ban, it wouldn't even matter since I haven't played a game in like 7 months anyways.

If marv or rayn in their prime playing days got a one month ban, they would miss like maybe 4-5 games.


is there a downside?
Zerg for Life
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 16 2015 23:28 GMT
#206
Maybe it's feasible to think about student games are only able to be given warnings to New players. But out of student games they are liable to all the normal ban list mechanics.

It seems to me that banning new players is counter productive and once banned from a newb game they won't return if they have to sit out.

However if they make it through all there games they skip the warning phase if they accumulated them in newb game and go straight to bans in Norm games.

Just a thought. (Unless the newb did something dreadfully heinous)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
October 17 2015 16:17 GMT
#207
On October 17 2015 06:43 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2015 06:38 Keirathi wrote:
On October 17 2015 05:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Saw this as well...I can see pros and cons to this...static time tracking is easier to manage but if there's a load of minis being missed out on, it's more games missed....IDK.

Yea, I don't particularly like time-based bans because it doesn't treat people equally.

Let's say you have someone like me who plays 2-3 games a year. If, in my last game, I got a 1 month ban, it wouldn't even matter since I haven't played a game in like 7 months anyways.

If marv or rayn in their prime playing days got a one month ban, they would miss like maybe 4-5 games.


is there a downside?


but you would still sitout games if you wanted too? Like its the same thing except you gotta type 1 word
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
October 17 2015 16:54 GMT
#208
On October 17 2015 08:28 Damdred wrote:
Maybe it's feasible to think about student games are only able to be given warnings to New players. But out of student games they are liable to all the normal ban list mechanics.

It seems to me that banning new players is counter productive and once banned from a newb game they won't return if they have to sit out.

However if they make it through all there games they skip the warning phase if they accumulated them in newb game and go straight to bans in Norm games.

Just a thought. (Unless the newb did something dreadfully heinous)

I agree with this sentiment. Damdred is smart, understands how other people feel, and is always right.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 18 2015 15:50 GMT
#209
On October 18 2015 01:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2015 08:28 Damdred wrote:
Maybe it's feasible to think about student games are only able to be given warnings to New players. But out of student games they are liable to all the normal ban list mechanics.

It seems to me that banning new players is counter productive and once banned from a newb game they won't return if they have to sit out.

However if they make it through all there games they skip the warning phase if they accumulated them in newb game and go straight to bans in Norm games.

Just a thought. (Unless the newb did something dreadfully heinous)

I agree with this sentiment. Damdred is smart, understands how other people feel, and is always right.


That being said...where does that place repeat offenders for 'non-heinous' rule breaking?

I hate to pick on Gumdrop here but he's a prime example. He's played in a grand total of two games so far. But in BOTH games he literally just disappeared D1 with no notice given to anyone. In the first game he got replaced (and if he hadn't got replaced then me and HtS who were mafia with him would have been in a very awkward position) and the second he got modkilled.

I can understand not wanting to put people off whilst also teaching how to play; I myself derped quite hard in my first game by editing a post because I'm used to editing posts on this forum like fifty times before I'm happy with it but only got a warning for it. But if someone just keeps doing the same thing with no real excuse for it...
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
October 26 2015 18:27 GMT
#210
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 27 2015 12:40 GMT
#211
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Judge Dredd is not impressed.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 01 2015 01:03 GMT
#212
Sat out another game. Still 100% bullshit that I got 3 games for mild complaining.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 01 2015 01:04 GMT
#213
When I die and obviously go to heaven I will ask Jeezus himself which fucker told BH I had to do 3 games after BH put me off the list. Then I will make a trip to hell and kill him again. Or her.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 01 2015 01:05 GMT
#214
I am still totally agreeing and obeying my 3 game ban btw. Total justice.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 01 2015 01:05 GMT
#215
The system works.
I had a good night of sleep.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 01 2015 05:40 GMT
#216
Only as well as it can
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
November 01 2015 05:54 GMT
#217
On November 01 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote:
The system works.


This statement is offensive.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
November 01 2015 10:01 GMT
#218
this entire thread is offensive
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
November 01 2015 15:05 GMT
#219
My farts are offensive
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
November 01 2015 16:38 GMT
#220
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