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On August 06 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote ruxxar Here is the thing. He calls out iGrok's post. Okay let's say he thinks it's scummy (which it isn't - it's non-alignment indicative). Then he has random townreads on rsoultin and Damdred (which he should not). Let's still say he somehow manages to have those reads. Then he claims he did not read the thread chronologically (which he should not do if he is town). Okay let's still believe he does that. Then he has NO FUCKING read on me, on me, who is defending iGrok's (his ONLY scumread) post. No, instead he treats me like a townie with his "hey rayn i wanna help find scum yoyo" post. dude is mafia. All this case is based on the premise that ruxx found igrok's idea about lynching lurkers scummy. That is false. ruxxar thinks igrok's post is too polished to be townie: On August 06 2015 06:47 ruXxar wrote: it felt like he put too much thought into it and spent too much time writing it. bolding text and polishing it to make it look real nice as if he was like "yo look at me I'm super town and I'm gonna be like super scum hunter 1000%" <--- town actions town cred GG ez game. gave me a scum vibe. And he also specified he's agreeing with igrok's message: On August 06 2015 07:03 ruXxar wrote: k, so to put it out there, i don't disagree with the message that igrok put out. i also hate lurkers, so don't lurk guys kk? Now, I still feel that ruxxar is trying too hard to be all over the place. | ||
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On August 06 2015 07:41 KelsierSC wrote: so you didn't actually check that conversation until now? because you asked for yamato's help but yamato had said that he was just being sarcastic and poking grok. you really just didn't read the game =) That is super good. | ||
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CC entered the thread with this: On August 06 2015 07:34 CopCake wrote: Hello friends, I believed there was another thread for the game. ruxxar immediately answered him: On August 06 2015 07:39 ruXxar wrote: hello coppy!(is it fine if I call you that?) Nice to meet you \o/ 17 minutes later he claimed to have read the game but didn't see his own post nor ruxxar's answer: On August 06 2015 07:51 CopCake wrote: Oh fuck I believed I had already posted when I went to look which page this game starts. Sup everyone Tell me why you are forever towns and I will tell you if I disagree or not. ruxxar then said he actually did: On August 06 2015 07:53 ruXxar wrote: ... i tried to say hello q.q *goes into a corner crying* i'm town cuz i'm town! and i'm ruxxar and i'm town. so yeah! go town! Now CopCake answered every post adressed to him BUT this one by ruxxar. He still doesn't *realize* that he actually posted before: On August 06 2015 08:32 CopCake wrote: Also my first post was "I didn't know the sign ups and in game thread was the same thread, now i need to surf and look for the page the game starts rip" but when i finished reading i realized it wasn't posted >  So: Copcake is either not reading the thread carefully OR he's dumbtelling. Both are scum indicative. Another scummy thing: after entering the thread, he asked questions without giving reads. See spoiler for source. + Show Spoiler + On August 06 2015 07:52 CopCake wrote: Btw what do you guys mean with "fluff" ? On August 06 2015 07:58 CopCake wrote: How the fuck do I quote? I blocked the plus sign but got me to somewhere else Hi Ruxxar I have a question for you, when rayn voted you why didn't you reacted? that's my only question for you And yes Kelsier, I am good! So instead of focusing on me why don't tell me about yourself and your reads, maybe? | ||
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On August 06 2015 09:01 The Shining wrote: I hate d1. Hate it hate it hate it. And where the hell is the filter button? I'm gonna take another break from TL and they'll get rid of preview next. Dafuq man. How do you dive without filters? How do you guys even play without filters?! Also this is my first all vanilla game so I was thinking of ways mechanically to hunt scum. I've got iGrok at a light town lean for wanting to go at lurkers from the start, which was one of the first things I considered. I'm not sure I agree with his RSo read, but I'm trash at treading her, and most ppl, D1. But as someone mentioned, she's threatened to go full lazy lurk mode and still hasn't. Not D1 Lynch. I'm going to have to reread since no filters and I'm on mobile(I always play mobile, sry) but I remember being ehh on FF. It's too early for an associative read but his reaction to ruxxar felt a bit forced. "Idk I don't like ruxxar" its too noncommittal. Great, I'm not sure I like him either but I'm going to reread and figure out why I do/don't. He seems too bouncy to read clearly. This post is a little bit scummy. It is the first post of The Shining. He talks about a lot of different things, as if he didn't know what to put in his first post. Actually let's count the number of different things he's talking about: 1 - whining about D1 and filters 2 - questionning others about filters 3 - reads (Igrok, rsoultin, FF) 4 - needs to reread 'cause no filters So The Shining felt the need to talk about 4 different subjects in his first post. Not as scummy as I thought though, 'cause the filter thing is all over the place, so the subjects are linked. | ||
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On August 06 2015 17:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: That doesn't make anyone mafia. She is not mafia for that. You said ruxx would be scummy if he claimed to not have read the thread. Now CopCake not reading the thread is not alignment indicative ? | ||
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On August 06 2015 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways i have dumb reasons to think Scott is town. What in this scott's post is town indicative ? On August 06 2015 04:59 scott31337 wrote: CONFTOWN AGAIN yayyy At least I-10's has a lane or two now. I'll be back later. | ||
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OK then what is your dumb reason ? | ||
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On August 06 2015 17:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because they are not the same person and ruxxar is doing that intentionally, cake is clearly not. Makes sense. I'm not convinced though. CopCake clearly stated she (?) read the thread from the start . And she missed two posts: one from her and on from ruxxar. | ||
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On August 06 2015 17:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: dick move analysis. yes it's related to that post. but i can't tell you why me read is what it is. Bullshit. You posted to the thread you had a dumb reason to townread scott. Now you're saying you can't post it. If that's the case, it's bullshit to post you have a dumb reason in the first place. I won't forget that rayn, so you better really have a reason and post it at some point. | ||
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On August 06 2015 16:57 EdgarAllanPoE wrote: Unfortunately this game will not work for me without filters. I like FecalFeast's/Raynpelikoneet's points that Ruxxar is looking like a forced kind of silly while self-metaing but then I also like Ruxxar's last post about iGrok pushing rsoul with a bad case and iGrok's posts in general seem very coachingesque so I'm at quite a bit of an impasse. ##vote iGrok I will not be very active at all. I'm also going to note that I'm a bit wary of Damdred and Kelsier. This post is super scummy. The vote does not make sense with the reasonning. PLUS, it is the first post of EAP. And he talks about different things, as if he didn't know what to post in his first post: 1 - whining about filters 2 - reads 3 - vote igrok 4 - will no be active 5 - wary of Damdred and Kelsier Talking about different subjects in his first post is scum indicative, 'cause it means EAP had difficulties entering the thread. PLUS he does not explain why Damdred and KSC are weird. PLUS setting up to not be active in a all vanille setup. | ||
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On August 06 2015 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: TheShining - says "I'm going to have to reread since no filters and I'm on mobile(I always play mobile, sry) but I remember being ehh on FF. It's too early for an associative read but his reaction to ruxxar felt a bit forced." In the next post after re-read talks about everything that is not FF or ruxxar. Wow didn't remark that. That is super true, he didn't follow up what he said he would in his reread. | ||
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On August 06 2015 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: well there is literally no mafia motivation to say that in case she has read the thread. so she has genuinely missed that for some reason, which makes it NAI. Yeah. My reasonning is not based on the fact that she missed this post in particular. What I'm saying is she didn't read the thread carefully, which might be scum indicative. | ||
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On August 06 2015 16:31 ruXxar wrote: Igrok just wanting to lynch lurkers instead of looking for mafia motivation is like trying to escape the responsibility of his scum reads by basing it on a towny concept. When we mislynch people it's easy to go "I pushed xyz he was the least active, it was his own fault!" Real easy cop out and avoids getting scum read for it. WTF you said you agreed with his no lurker thing: On August 06 2015 07:03 ruXxar wrote: k, so to put it out there, i don't disagree with the message that igrok put out. i also hate lurkers, so don't lurk guys kk? Explain ? | ||
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On August 06 2015 17:20 Rels wrote: This post is a little bit scummy. It is the first post of The Shining. He talks about a lot of different things, as if he didn't know what to put in his first post. Actually let's count the number of different things he's talking about: 1 - whining about D1 and filters 2 - questionning others about filters 3 - reads (Igrok, rsoultin, FF) 4 - needs to reread 'cause no filters So The Shining felt the need to talk about 4 different subjects in his first post. Not as scummy as I thought though, 'cause the filter thing is all over the place, so the subjects are linked. OK actually it was Shining's second post, so the "he didn't know what to put in his first post" is not true. His first post is: On August 06 2015 05:08 The Shining wrote: We are all gonna die D= Still, it is Shining's first relevant post, and it seems forced to me. Plus, rayn's point of Shining not mentioning FF or ruxxar in his reread is good. | ||
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On August 06 2015 10:53 iGrok wrote: Scott is the only true lurker at the moment. If Tina starts posting actual content, I'll shift onto him. Right now Tina looks very scummy, for the reasons I stated at the top of this page. So this scott guy is a true lurker: + Show Spoiler + On August 06 2015 04:59 scott31337 wrote: CONFTOWN AGAIN yayyy At least I-10's has a lane or two now. I'll be back later. On August 06 2015 08:41 scott31337 wrote: Are you going to actually do something about it though? I haven't liked much of his posting at all - just like this one of yours. Damd/Rayn town reads so far. Not liking ## Fecalfeast / Rsoultin / Ruxxar ##Vote Ruxxar On August 06 2015 08:50 scott31337 wrote: His town read that he seemed to have dropped (I felt genuine in my post) and then says you and rsoul are 100% towns and doesn't even mention rayn, myself, etc. I don't like it. Rsoul might be town but I see tons of fluff and very little ideas. FF's post felt like a throw in something and that's it. You and rayn are having solid thoughts and reads. I want to look more into Cop, igrok, KSC, etc. But this yamato guy is not worth mentionning ? + Show Spoiler + On August 06 2015 05:37 yamato77 wrote: Yes, really. | ||
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On August 06 2015 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i actually think Shining is the best lynch today: He literally says he does not know that to think of FF and ruxxar. Then he says he has to re-read and instead of doing that he goes to post about something completely different. Like i get that his posts are 5 minutes apart, but it still doesn't make any sense he feels it's more important to to make another post onto townreads (damdred) and finding out other suspects (cake) when you already have people you suspect. He just leaves his read on FF & ruxxar onto "idk" state when the most logical thing to do is to go and figure out the reads on them. I believe he just got timid about the fact his post was called out bad and had to post something that would be considered "good". ##unvote ##vote The Shining ruxxar and edgar still mafia but this is my strongest scumread. Strong case. I think EAP's first post is scummier than this though. Will vote Shining if I can't get EAP lynched or if EAP convinced me he's town. | ||
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On August 06 2015 18:40 iGrok wrote: I completely forgot about Yamato! Good catch. However, I know that the only reason he posted in thread is because I told him that the game had started and he signed on just to troll me. So I wouldn't really consider him to have actually started posting. Still, if he doesn't start playing today he definitely gets a spot on my hit list. OK ! Yamato I'd like a confirm on that : However, I know that the only reason he posted in thread is because I told him that the game had started and he signed on just to troll me. and everything will be fine. | ||
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On August 06 2015 19:16 ruXxar wrote: Also, just saying we should lynch lurked means that you're putting the whole game down to mechanics and ignoring the rest if the game. Its pretty dumb imo OK I actually agree with this, igrok needs to start talking about something else. He promised to do that when he wakes up though. But I really didn't like how you posted at the beginning of the game. It is super different from last game, where you did your poetry stuff but didn't jump and post a million reads. In this game you spammed and talked about a lot of things and most of them were shitty reads. What do you think of scott ? Can you give a list of townie and scummy people ? | ||
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On August 06 2015 19:49 Damdred wrote: Which leaves me wanting to lynch 2(?) people roughly today which means I have to re evaluate town reads soon however shining is town ^^. I do like the Edgar case, sadly I kinda think Yamato is more likely to flip scum here because of him getting a comp saying he will spam the thread and doing nothing meh So the two people you could lynch are Edgar and Yamato. But you previously said you would also be happy to lynch me, igrok and FF. You explained the change of read for me, but what made you change your mind about igrok and FF ? | ||
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On August 06 2015 20:55 ruXxar wrote: Yeah I was very chaotic reading the first few pages, if you think I'm scum for that then I have no defense, because it's what I did. I liked Scott first post, it felt genuine. Mm after that Scott attacked me, but I didn't really sense scum intentions. I've never seen Scott play scum, so have no meta for this. I still think he's a slight town read. My 100# town this game is damdred and rsoul. When I'm posting fluff first day to create activity, it's easy to see who is in the same relaxed, non stressed/tense mindset. I got that vibe from damdy and rs, don't want to lunch them this game unless they do something super scummy. Other town reads: Kelsier I'm ok with for now. Scott is meh, very slight town. I think rayn is misguided town on me, wants to find scum Rels super town, criticizing and asking edgy questions. Who else.. Fecal is neutral ish, defo not town lean. Coppy response to pressure was meeh, not so good. Shining had again big polished post, it's always slight scum lean to me when I see these kinds of polished posts, big content posts. Igrok is slight scum lean, didn't like his opening post, but could possibly come from town. His case which is the reason for him voting rsoul is so bad and bullshit I don't even know what to say. It made me think he's even more scum honestly. Those are the people I remember right now, off the top of my head. Maybe I forgot someone, dno. I'll read more in depth when I can use a computer and read filters etc. Yeah if you were the only choice I would vote you. Luckily for you I feel EAP and Shining are way scummier than you. (= I can understand everything you wrote apart from the rsoul&Damdred tone read. They are super vet players that can't be read by the fact that they are "relaxed" at the beginning of the game. I'm not saying they are scum, I townread Damdred for his good logic, and I'm waiting to see what rsoul bring to the town. I just don't understand you townreading them so easily. | ||
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On August 06 2015 19:49 Damdred wrote: at this time I would like to say that shining is town but I don't blame anyone for being wrong about him at this point. His first post was bad but his next ones were good and reflect town shining, and while it will be hard together if you listen to me we will get through this. My read on shining hasn't been wrong ij many many games so just believe me that he's town. On August 06 2015 21:26 rsoultin wrote: also, ftr, i agree with damdy on shining...i think that read of yours is wrong as well, rayn It's super cool you two thinks Shining is town, but could you comment on the actual things rayn said ? Is it a good case or not ? | ||
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On August 06 2015 22:01 rsoultin wrote: honestly, rels...most things aren't good cases this early because they're based on very little i could break it apart like i did when i coached you, but if something had caught my eye as particularly damning i would have mentioned it? none of what he said was awful but it doesn't really make shining scum, is the thing, and i've played with shining more than he has, plus other players are more interesting, anyway OK got it. | ||
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On August 06 2015 22:24 iGrok wrote: @Rayne, I think that this game is forming up to be a clash of mindsets - Old vets like myself, you, and possibly Yamato compared to the newer styles of rsoultin, ruxxar, and... most other people here. Somehow, there's a mental disconnect preventing communication between the two sides. We need to fix this if we want to win. WTF 1 - I don't even know why you count yamato in your team when you're not sure he's town or mafia. 2 - Rayn actually asked you to drop the lynch inactive thing and start to scumhunt and comment on things, so it's not far from what rsoul and ruxx are scumreading for 3 - WHY are you fucking segregating the players in opposide sides ... there is only two teams : town and mafia. It really feels like you're trying to get people to fight There is NO disconnect preventing communication. Everybody, scumreading or twonreading you, agrees on these two things: 1 - sure we should lynch lurkers refusing to play 2 - you should start doing something else though | ||
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On August 06 2015 22:41 iGrok wrote: @Rels, Yes, I'm totally trying to separate the town and get people to fight by saying there are two different mindsets at work and we need to improve communication /SARCASM OK. Explain what is the communication problem between rayn & the rest of town 'cause I don't see it. | ||
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Now it's time for you to do something else though. Cause the only person that did less scumhunting than you was yamato. The only thing you did was a case on rsoul paraphrasing all her posts, that didn't convince me. So you are an active lurker right now. You could start be doing what you said you would when waking up: On August 06 2015 18:56 iGrok wrote: As its 6am, I don't have the mental fortitude to go through other people's cases at the moment, but I'll do that tomorrow. Right now I'm just watching Dota 2 and checking the thread occasionally. Unfortunately, some people still don't seem to understand what active lurkers are (Ruxxar, I'm looking at you). You and Rels have been talking about things but, as I said, I'm not super mentally sharp right now, so I'll go over it tomorrow. I think I said something about EAP earlier today, and also, iirc Shining hadn't even posted before I left for dinner? Could be wrong on that. The point is, tomorrow I'll go through and reassess everyone to figure out who the lurkeriest lurker is. | ||
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And is it 100% based on meta ? | ||
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On August 06 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote: sure enough i'll actively try to obstruct a d1 lynch on him? it's...god how do i even begin to explain these things >< people here will call it meta. i usually call it tone in reality it's a hybrid of meta/tone and actually speaks to what i know of his personality and what mindset/thoughts i believe are natural for him. scum usually has a very hard time replicating the thought process they'd have as town this is the same way that i'm reading damdy, btw, but my track record on damdy is very, very good. i'm most confident of my damdy read as a result OK that makes 100% sense. Asking because that post is just wrong: On August 06 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote: Problem I have with your strategy is that lurking is a nebulous term for people of low post activity. Maybe you define lurker differently from me, but lynching people with post count as the only metric without looking at the content if their posts is stupid. 1 - it's clear that by "lurker" igrok means "no content people" 2 - whatever the definition is, ruxxar said he was OK lynching lurker and suddendly he's not anymore | ||
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On August 06 2015 23:13 iGrok wrote: @rels: Couldn't sleep, sunburn's a bitch. Pushing through thanks to caffeine. I'm taking care of business (replying to people) first. You do realize I said that 4 hours ago, right? Sorry about your pain. But realize that 95% of the things you did was not scumhunting: you put a policy in place, you coached a little bit, you asked questions. So for now I think you're suspicious, you still have time to do other things, I'll re-evaluate when you do. | ||
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On August 06 2015 23:23 Damdred wrote: Rels I answered your shining question please don't ignore it. If you're talking about this: On August 06 2015 23:08 Damdred wrote: Everyone will hate my shining read but it is right. It all deals with the emotional responses he shows and the tone in which he responds in the thread plus how he does his posts a bit. For example his first real post is horrid even for shining, and it made me want to scum read him. But his other posts that are somewhat catch up posts with reads and a response to me make me go yep this is town shining. This is really vague but shining can't really be read content wise early even if he says smart things he's always going to sound super robotic in his posts instead of more free. He can't change his scum tone shrig I asked what you thought about rayn's case. It was rayn who asked why Shining was town. But OK, I think you're town so your Shining townread holds weight for me. I can't evaluate it though 'cause it's based on personnal feelings. If you feel there are better lynches today that will influence me. | ||
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Other than that, I agree 100% on pressuring lurkers (and in all games btw, not especially this one). What I (and others) are saying is that if you only do that for the whole day, you could be a scum trying to appear active when actually he's just pushing a policy. TLDR I suscribe to your policy of lynching lurker. You will be considered lurker if all you do is pushing LAL policy. | ||
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On August 06 2015 23:32 Damdred wrote: I don't think rayns case makes shining scum rels and he's wrong. You must ask yourself how good am I at finding town reads on people So you're saying that knowing Shining's meta, it's normal that: - he said he was going to reread the game to check FF weird behaviour - in his post after reread he doesn't mention FF | ||
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On August 06 2015 23:40 Damdred wrote: Totally normal honestly OK. Of course I can only believe you, but as I think you're town it's good. Plus, if Shining is town and this is false, that means you're mafia and he will say it. | ||
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On August 06 2015 23:47 Damdred wrote: Shining will probably come in and say I'm scum anyway cause he can't read me ^^. Anyway lets say shining flips town and Edgar wasn't in game who then rels ruxxar Then AFK people: yamato scott | ||
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On August 06 2015 07:53 CopCake wrote: Sorry Kelsier, I don't work that way so don't try to make me a captain obvious :p because I know how to play this shit So you don't work that way: On August 06 2015 07:52 KelsierSC wrote: or you can read the game and give your reads that is like...the game How do you work then ? You ask people why they are town then not care nobody has replied ? | ||
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On August 07 2015 00:18 ruXxar wrote: Mmmmm: rayn is his name, Scum hunting is his game, Misguided town he will be For pushing me, While mafia laughs at his back Kek LOL =D pretty good | ||
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On August 07 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels Cake is not mafia either. Let her answer the question then. I agree 100% about letting igrok do his stuff and re evaluate later. Actually if you read my recent posts that is exactly what I said. p: So let's do the same with CopCake, let her do her thing and answer the question. | ||
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I would like to have your read on iGrok. | ||
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On August 06 2015 08:50 scott31337 wrote: His town read that he seemed to have dropped (I felt genuine in my post) and then says you and rsoul are 100% towns and doesn't even mention rayn, myself, etc. I don't like it. Wow that is so bad. First, ruxxar had a reason to 100% townread rsoul and Damdred (relaxed town), and scott jumps on this without even asking about it. Second, @ruxxar @scott, is this true ? His town read that he seemed to have dropped (I felt genuine in my post) Did ruxx stopped townreading scott before that post ? Cause I can't remember a post where ruxx does that. If scott is right, my bad. If scott is lying, I'm pretty sure he's scum. | ||
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On August 07 2015 00:40 ruXxar wrote: I never dropped my town read on Scott. I just didn't mention him in one if my lists and he thought I dropped him cuz of that. Alright, my bad then. | ||
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On August 07 2015 00:50 CopCake wrote: Helloooo lovies I am here. Yo! I've got a question for you waiting in previous pages. Leaving work right now, if you answer it before I get home I would be super happy! | ||
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On August 07 2015 00:57 iGrok wrote: @Rels, went back through your conversation with Rayne. Personally, TS feels like Town-Stupid to me. Ordinarily that's enough for me to be ok with lynching them, but he's mentioned enough people that, as long as he keeps posting, he's worth more alive than dead. The RX case basically makes itself. If I didn't think I'd get more information out of leaving him alive, I'd lynch him today. Those were my two takeaways, anything else you specifically wanted to know about? No, thanks. Does it make you think that rsoul has the same of Shning than you ? | ||
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On August 07 2015 01:03 iGrok wrote: What does that sentence mean? "The same" and "than" don't go together, and you're missing a noun. I don't mean to get too grammar nazi on you but changing it around to be a complete sentence could make it a ton of contradictory things. Yeah it's missing a "read": Does it make you think that rsoul has the same read of Shning than you ? | ||
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=D igrok stated what he thought by lurkers, and you more or less used his definition for your scumreads. So you: - saying he's modifying his definition of lurker to make his "ruxxar has LAL list" comment - using his definition of lurker to make a scum list is pretty funny. | ||
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On August 07 2015 01:07 scott31337 wrote: This post is pretty bad. I'm working without them as well - it kind of sucks, but.. You can always get TL+ FF has looked better, describing his Ruxxar read in so my words. KSC has looked slightly better - he gets a slight lean. My townies are townreading Rsoul though - a pass today for sure when EAP and Ruxxar look a lot worse. I have more pages to go thru and work as well. That's right I have to revote ##Vote: Ruxxar Are your reasons for voting ruxxar the same as before ? Hope you finish to go though "more pages" soon so you can start discussing things with people. | ||
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On August 07 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote: If it was up to me i would lynch him 100%. On August 07 2015 05:57 ruXxar wrote: Also my read on n00bking was much stronger than this one on igrok. | ||
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On August 07 2015 01:32 CopCake wrote: For example, I think Igrok post was townie at first, have people to be active and lynch lurkers, I didn't see it the same way rayn did tho, it was early in the game so it didn't look like a scum move to me You're saying rayn found igrok's post about lurkers scummy ? | ||
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On August 07 2015 02:36 The Shining wrote: Probably my least sure scumread out of Edgar, ruxxar, igrok. I'm not really seeing scum in anyone else, except maybe Scott, but I'm only suspicious because of activity. I'm on page 27 right now and still haven't caught anything but rayn defending igrok(with good logic, let him play since the pressuring could make him useless) and I still don't see any reads from iGrok outside of RSo. He even had a post regarding the split between LAL and the dissenters but hasn't made a post about any other scumreads. And with him having RSo at only 50% scum as top read, it seems he's very weary of committing to any one way of thinking outside of LAL OK good. What did you think of this post ? On August 06 2015 06:55 iGrok wrote: My 2-line post came off as having too much effort? Hoo boy, are you in for a treat this game. Since many of you have not played with me before (and I have not played with many of you), a brief point on my meta: If I'm scum, I'll fake claim a 3rd Party Neutral Assassinating Survivor, draw multiple vigi hits and medic saves, and ultimately die but set my team up for the win. If I'm town, I'll approach the game from a mechanics-focused angle, analyzing any and all known information about the game in order to break the setup, or at least make it town favored. On day 2 or 3, I'll write up a hyper-analysis of someone I find scummy, and either convict them or clear them. This setup is Mountainous, which means no power roles at all. Some might think that this makes it impossible to approach from a mechanics standpoint, but the secret is that, as I said in my OP, Mountainous setups rely entirely on activity between players. There is no reason to lurk to avoid notice as town, because there are no power roles trying to avoid mafia notice. Play loud, play proud, play nice, and we'll all have a good game. Lurk, and you're clearly scum, either as mafia or bad town. | ||
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On August 07 2015 03:07 ruXxar wrote: I liked how Yamato called out I groks first post, so he ranks a little higher. Do you seriously believe that ? | ||
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On August 07 2015 06:39 ruXxar wrote: It was sort of the same opinion as me, but maybe he meant something different about it. Without his answer i had to interpret it my own way. WTF. Yamato clearly stated his post was a joke: And you KNOW about it since KSC asked you to check yamato's 3 posts: On August 06 2015 07:32 KelsierSC wrote: ruxxar did you read the interaction between rayn and yamato, tell me what you think On August 06 2015 07:33 ruXxar wrote: sec ima go read. all i remembner was yamato calling igrok post shit and i asked him why but he's gone now so dno, gimme a min On August 06 2015 07:38 ruXxar wrote: k so i looked at yamato's interaction with rayn, didnt really like the way yamato responded, seemed angry ish. also looked at your first post ksc, kinda liked it actually, slight townread for u! | ||
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On August 07 2015 06:48 ruXxar wrote: I don't believe you say something like that just as a joke Really ? Because 1 minute ago you said you didn't know what was the meaning of yamato's post: On August 07 2015 06:39 ruXxar wrote: It was sort of the same opinion as me, but maybe he meant something different about it. Without his answer i had to interpret it my own way. And now you're changing your story to say you know the meaning of yamato's post but you don't believe it. | ||
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On August 07 2015 07:00 ruXxar wrote: Feels very unnatural to just call something a shit post and then not following up right? Yeah but both igrok and yamato explained why it was a joke so I don't know why you're still attached to the idea of him not joking. | ||
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On August 07 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote: How was it a joke? I don't understand. Joke as in haha funny joke or what? It was yamato poking fun at igrok, just after igrok has warned yamato the game has started. So super NAI. | ||
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On August 07 2015 03:59 EdgarAllanPoE wrote: Why am I your top mafia read when the only post that I've made in the entire game was an echo of your iGroK read 5 hours later? You said you dislike him because he wasn't posting anything and it's all cheerleading which is exactly what my post says, yet, I am your top mafia read in this game? WTF. Is this the only thing you want to say after being AFK so long ... I have no idea how you're going to convince me you're town now. I though you were scum for your first post. Now I really really think you're scum. | ||
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On August 07 2015 07:06 The Shining wrote: Not really sure what to make of this post. I want to immediately throw it into the same pile of Cake and ruxxar doing these self metas that just don't sit well with me. Like yes, meta can be used to find scum but you have to play the game, as well. This is a really big fluffy post where iGrok tells us what he thinks he does as town as scum. These always have to be taken with a grain of salt. Like obviously if you know you do xyz as scum and ABC as town, then you know enough to try and consciously change said meta. He also reaffirms his stance on LAL. One thing I did notice was he set that post up to say that in no way could he be scum here. We don't have 3p so he can't claim that like he would as scum. No vigi shots or medic saves to draw. He indirectly painted a scenario where there is no way he can be scum just because it's an all vanilla game and he can't do his normal scum things. I'm not sure if that was intentional but if he's scum, that's a very interesting way to self-meta without giving away your alignment. OK wanted to know if that was comparable to ruxxar / cake or no. Your remark about him setting up his meta in a way he cannot be mafia is super interesting. | ||
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On August 07 2015 05:36 Damdred wrote: Sorry rayn I didn't mean to react that way just been at the hospital all day with my dad while,he's in surgery and got upset that's on me I'm not really offended or dislike playing with you, Sorry =X hope that goes OK | ||
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On August 07 2015 06:08 ruXxar wrote: To summmarize my dislike of igrok: #1) Lynch all lurkers attitude. #2) his push on rsoultin is just silly, reminds me of n00bkings push on rels tbh. He voted rsoultin in in his 2nd post, and kept pushing some really silly agenda for why she's town. He put a vote on rsoultin first thing he did, then tried to find arguments to support his votes later, instead of going the other way around. His case on rsoul is so bad, smells like scum long way. #3) Posted another shitty reason for why we should vote for rsoul, try to understand this one if you can: #4) Tried to bury me with lies Actually reading his filter it looks even worse than I thought. I changed my mind, I want to vote for iGrok again. ##Vote igrok OK that's pretty good. Especially I don't understand AT ALL what he means at #3. Plus, he said he liked the train on EAP and never switched, but he's attacking you for switching from him. | ||
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Believing in mafia!igrok more and more too. Never changed his vote all game even though rsoul cannot be classified as active lurker now, even though he thought EAP was scummy, even though he pushed ruxxar when ruxxar switched. Shining is town for me now. Don't know what to think of cake. | ||
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Useless people: A useful list toi have edgar yamato scott | ||
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On August 07 2015 07:32 The Shining wrote: When there are players like yamato who roll scum and quit games(not saying he's completely done this here yet but he's borderline for me) and drive by, non-contributive scummy posters like Edgar and huge question marks like Scott, things like this take a bit of a backseat. 100% agree. If voting was now he would not even be in my top 3 lynches. | ||
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On August 06 2015 17:35 Rels wrote: This post is super scummy. The vote does not make sense with the reasonning. PLUS, it is the first post of EAP. And he talks about different things, as if he didn't know what to post in his first post: 1 - whining about filters 2 - reads 3 - vote igrok 4 - will no be active 5 - wary of Damdred and Kelsier Talking about different subjects in his first post is scum indicative, 'cause it means EAP had difficulties entering the thread. PLUS he does not explain why Damdred and KSC are weird. PLUS setting up to not be active in a all vanille setup. Going to sleep now so I'll see what you have posted tomorrow. | ||
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On August 07 2015 15:48 ruXxar wrote: Right now there's no pressure on scum to do anything. I'm leading in the votes, and for scum it's going to be Christmas if town mis-lynches me. It's 3-3! Plus, we're lynching one of those guys if they don't all step up by deadline: Useless people: A useful list toi have edgar yamato scott Amazing how none of those three managed to get out of this list while I was sleeping. | ||
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On August 07 2015 07:51 EdgarAllanPoE wrote: my read on igrok was based on mine + ruxxar's opinions I know what is ruxxar's opinion, but I never see what his "your" opinion ? All you did was sheep ruxxar's post. | ||
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1 - Edgar thinks ruxxar is scummy On August 06 2015 16:57 EdgarAllanPoE wrote: I like FecalFeast's/Raynpelikoneet's points that Ruxxar is looking like a forced kind of silly while self-metaing 2 - Edgar thinks ruxxar is right though: igrok is pushing for rsoul's mislynch Edgar is voting igrok based on ruxxar's read, which is that igrok is pushing rsoultin's mislynch: On August 06 2015 16:57 EdgarAllanPoE wrote: I also like Ruxxar's last post about iGrok pushing rsoul with a bad case and iGrok's posts in general seem very coachingesque so I'm at quite a bit of an impasse. He reaffirmed here that was part of the reason of his vote: On August 07 2015 07:51 EdgarAllanPoE wrote: my read on igrok was based on mine + ruxxar's opinions 3 - Edgar thinks rsoul is happy pushing for his mislynch And now he's saying rsoultin may be mafia pushing for a mislynch: On August 07 2015 16:17 EdgarAllanPoE wrote: There is a breakdown in thought process here and it looks like you [rsoul] were just happy to jump onto a mislynch wagon. So he believes at the same time: - ruxxar is scummy - ruxxar is right, igrok is scummy for pushing rsoul's mislynch - rsoul is pushing for edgar's mislynch This guy is mafia. | ||
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- he's not talking to anyone except rsoul - he's not talking about anything else in the game - he answered my second question but not he first, maybe he doesn't want to say too mych that could incriminate him - another excuse to lurk and survived the day with 9 posts | ||
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On August 07 2015 16:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: hey! Hey! And now I'm gone for a while. I trust you'll vote edgar again! | ||
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Edgar is useless AND the few posts he made were scummy. | ||
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On August 07 2015 14:17 scott31337 wrote: My work installed a new firewall and TL is blocked. :/ I'm sad - but I'll have plenty of time to play this weekend. I'm 20 pages behind and have to get up in six hours. @scott: On August 07 2015 05:58 Rels wrote: Are your reasons for voting ruxxar the same as before ? Hope you finish to go though "more pages" soon so you can start discussing things with people. | ||
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Plus he's attacking rsoultin and insinuating she's scum, while at the same time still pushing for igrok's lynch, when the explanation for his voting for igrok was that igrok was pushing for rsoul's mislynch. Doesn't compute. On August 07 2015 16:43 Rels wrote: It doesn't make sense. 1 - Edgar thinks ruxxar is scummy 2 - Edgar thinks ruxxar is right though: igrok is pushing for rsoul's mislynch Edgar is voting igrok based on ruxxar's read, which is that igrok is pushing rsoultin's mislynch: He reaffirmed here that was part of the reason of his vote: 3 - Edgar thinks rsoul is happy pushing for his mislynch And now he's saying rsoultin may be mafia pushing for a mislynch: So he believes at the same time: - ruxxar is scummy - ruxxar is right, igrok is scummy for pushing rsoul's mislynch - rsoul is pushing for edgar's mislynch This guy is mafia. | ||
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On August 06 2015 17:35 Rels wrote: This post is super scummy. The vote does not make sense with the reasonning. PLUS, it is the first post of EAP. And he talks about different things, as if he didn't know what to post in his first post: 1 - whining about filters 2 - reads 3 - vote igrok 4 - will no be active 5 - wary of Damdred and Kelsier Talking about different subjects in his first post is scum indicative, 'cause it means EAP had difficulties entering the thread. PLUS he does not explain why Damdred and KSC are weird. PLUS setting up to not be active in a all vanille setup. This first post is pretty scummy. He said he was willing to destroy my "case" on it and didn't. | ||
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On August 07 2015 18:12 ruXxar wrote: His rebuttal to rsoul was really good. On August 07 2015 18:14 Rels wrote: OK explain to me why it was good 'cause I found it pretty bad. ? | ||
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On August 07 2015 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: rels you are overthinking stuff. do not overthink. it's an ez game ez lyfe. But I like thinking! | ||
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On August 07 2015 19:29 ruXxar wrote: For example he didn't actually call rsoul mafia.. No he said she was pushing for a mislynch, which is a soft scum accusation: On August 07 2015 16:17 EdgarAllanPoE wrote: There is a breakdown in thought process here and it looks like you were just happy to jump onto a mislynch wagon. Which is why I asked him to clarify: On August 07 2015 16:28 Rels wrote: @edgar what is your read on rsoultin ? On August 07 2015 16:39 Rels wrote: Before you go: do you think rsoul is scum ? He didn't answer but he answered another question posted after. | ||
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- yamato (if he continue to AFK or if his posts are bad) - scott (if he continues to AFK or if his reasons to vote ruxx are bad) - maybe igrok (if he still lurks at EOD) - maaaaaybe cake (she would have to scumslip though) Would absolutely lynch edgar if deadline was now. Still waiting for an explanation of that: On August 07 2015 18:12 ruXxar wrote: His rebuttal to rsoul was really good. And this: On August 07 2015 05:58 Rels wrote: Are your reasons for voting ruxxar the same as before ? Hope you finish to go though "more pages" soon so you can start discussing things with people. @Damdred: would love an in depth explanation of why edgar's post are decent. | ||
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On August 07 2015 16:43 Rels wrote: It doesn't make sense. 1 - Edgar thinks ruxxar is scummy 2 - Edgar thinks ruxxar is right though: igrok is pushing for rsoul's mislynch Edgar is voting igrok based on ruxxar's read, which is that igrok is pushing rsoultin's mislynch: He reaffirmed here that was part of the reason of his vote: 3 - Edgar thinks rsoul is happy pushing for his mislynch And now he's saying rsoultin may be mafia pushing for a mislynch: So he believes at the same time: - ruxxar is scummy - ruxxar is right, igrok is scummy for pushing rsoul's mislynch - rsoul is pushing for edgar's mislynch This guy is mafia. On August 07 2015 16:46 Rels wrote: Plus: - he's not talking to anyone except rsoul - he's not talking about anything else in the game - he answered my second question but not he first, maybe he doesn't want to say too mych that could incriminate him - another excuse to lurk and survived the day with 9 posts On August 06 2015 17:35 Rels wrote: This post is super scummy. The vote does not make sense with the reasonning. PLUS, it is the first post of EAP. And he talks about different things, as if he didn't know what to post in his first post: 1 - whining about filters 2 - reads 3 - vote igrok 4 - will no be active 5 - wary of Damdred and Kelsier Talking about different subjects in his first post is scum indicative, 'cause it means EAP had difficulties entering the thread. PLUS he does not explain why Damdred and KSC are weird. PLUS setting up to not be active in a all vanille setup. On August 07 2015 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: like the fact that he said he doesn't know what to think and then he votes for iGrok in the next sentence is pure mafia. | ||
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On August 08 2015 00:41 rsoultin wrote: dichotomy is not a common word and i know i've seen it somewhere before, but i can't place who i'm not terribly interested in smurf hunting...i tend to figure out smurfs just by playing with them because i'm a tonereader anyway but it's not something i go out of my way to uncover Simple tl search suggests Marv or vivax. For the "I've read dichotomy recently", GB used it in an answer to you in hts game. | ||
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Your strongest point, his explanation of igrok vite with his own word, is shut. He just parroted what raoul said, he even took her words (coaching, cheerleading) And that is exactly what a mafia would do. Would he stay silent ? No be would come, justify his vote with what he can then leave without talking to anyone | ||
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On August 08 2015 02:33 ruXxar wrote: Rels, you should come to norway sometime. I need to practice my french with someone :D I'll teach you the french touch too. Sexy as fuck accent | ||
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On August 08 2015 04:57 rsoultin wrote: fuck it ##unvote ##vote EdgarAllanPoE yolo! \o/ Cool See y all tomorrow  | ||
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On August 08 2015 19:30 scott31337 wrote: I dislike the way people play this game now. It's all ad hom and useless posts and is actually just generally very poor. Have you read the game now ? There were no ad hom or useless posts until eod. | ||
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gg wp everyone. I had a ton of fun the first day. | ||
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