EPTMini Mafia Down Under 3
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 25 2015 03:14 Palmar wrote: Instructions were unclear. But I had no message from HTS, only ticktock: But I responded anyway. I confirmed: Friday, Jul 24 11:16am GMT (GMT+00:00) HOWEVER 40 minutes later HTS called me out on NOT HAVING CONFIRMED!!!!!! I am very suspicious of these hosts. They are not to be trusted. I will be double checking this "machine" that counts votes this game. I don't trust that machine any more than I trust the hosts. This all feels like something is up. ##vote machine | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 25 2015 08:59 Hopeless1der wrote: Anyone interested in contesting the claims or are we going to just ignore that? For reference, my thoughts are onegu good, rayn indifferent. I also don't get how Palmar literally claiming Mafia is conducive to being "blunt and to the point" as town. Or kenpachI ruling people. Someone teach me how to kenpachI rule. I think this guy is mafia. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
i was gonna kinda stay in the shadows for the majority of D1 but i guess it's impossible. I don't really have any fucking reads because there aren't any posts to read. I think Hopeless is mafia Snickers and boxerfred town. The post about claims cannot basically come from a townie. I don't believe it. ##vote hopeless | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
So basically he is just saying nonsense. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
tbf he didn't say he doesn't know what it is. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
lol Palmar. well at least this gives your alignment away pretty easily.  go! | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
his actions make no sense from scum perspective. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Kelsier says : "does me being scum exclude all other people from being scum" Cava says: "Kelsier said "you can't find me scummy if you don't find anyone else scummy"" roflskates In fact Cava, you need to elaborate how you come to that conclusion about the post Kelsier made. That is a big fucking misrepresentation of what he in fact said. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 26 2015 03:08 Palmar wrote: This post is shit because there is easily stuff to read from the thread. He doesn't even comment on some of the biggest presences at this point in the thread (Kelsier, scott). Oh but i did. You're terrible. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote: Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. this is a really scummy post tbh. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 25 2015 22:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Looking at that, all the post givers are probably town. lol Palmar. well at least this gives your alignment away pretty easily. go! On July 25 2015 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: no scott is town aswell trust me. his actions make no sense from scum perspective. On July 25 2015 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin in fact that cava post is really bad. On July 25 2015 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: sorry cava is obi. Kelsier says : "does me being scum exclude all other people from being scum" Cava says: "Kelsier said "you can't find me scummy if you don't find anyone else scummy"" roflskates In fact Cava, you need to elaborate how you come to that conclusion about the post Kelsier made. That is a big fucking misrepresentation of what he in fact said. In case you don't for some reason want to think at all, scott gave away posts and when i am talking about Cava it also means i am okay with Kelsier. I don't really understand why i should talk about Kelsier if i don't find anything wrong with him? Am i also scum because i haven't talked about GlowingBear? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 26 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote: I knew about all those I just wanted to see if you were paying attention. My post was written AS READ, ie: by the time I quoted your post you were complaining about having no read and at exactly that time you hadn't commented on the people you mentioned. You later did, but all th epost you quoted come AFTER the post where you're complaining that there's nothing to talk about. I think the stuff you mentioned about Obi misrepresenting Kelsier is probably not relevant, even if it seems correct. I just think it's more of an accidental thing rather than intentional. I am a bit puzzled by you saying the bolded if you did the underlined (which you most probably did - i figured that out). Like the first sentence just doesn't fit there, it sounds really weird. And yeah i think Cava is town. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
You push is really dumb. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 26 2015 03:38 Palmar wrote: The first sentence refers to the time where I wrote the "that's just blatantly false" post. At that time I had read along and knew you later would comment on some of the people I had originally complained you didn't talk about. I don't get what the "i just wanted to see if you are paying attention" has to do with anything. It looks like a reason you made your post. But it cannot be a reason for your post by your later explanation. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
##vote FirmTofu | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Hopeless said something really bright. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Otherwise there is no reason you should think Onegu is mafia based on his claim. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote: Speak of the devil. Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner." Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here. Here is why FirmTofu is mafia. Especially the underlined part is something that is impossible for a townie to believe is true. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On May 03 2012 07:40 FirmTofu wrote: Gummy, I think I know what you're doing. Let it be known to posterity that I think its a terrible strategy. We aren't going to have a lynch today. I think both Claw and Gummy are town, and no one else has enough evidence on top of them for me to even consider lynching them. Get over yourself Gummy. There is no way you can deduce everyone's alignment from a handful of Day 1 posts. Let's wait a day and see if we get some REAL information. ##vote: No Lynch On May 03 2012 08:02 FirmTofu wrote: This. All I see with Gummy is a guy who thinks he is better than everyone else here and thinks he has the game figured out. He wants everyone to see how right he is, so he is pushing Claw with a single-minded focus with utter disregard for any legitimate strategy. I am not one who will vote with someone who allows his emotions to sway his decisions. As you can see with all his bolded posts, he is simply spewing rhetoric and nonsensical arguments to get people to listen to him at this point. As I mentioned earlier, we should adopt a strict policy of ignoring Gummy until he gets his emotions in check. FirmTofu why were you giving townreads on D1? It is a scumtell and doesn't help anyone finding mafia remember? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Yeah you should be, Onegu is 100% right here. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Like let me clarify: Rels; is the first one who points out Barakos' scummy post. Calls him mafia. Votes for him early on (tbh i pushed him to do it but i also pushed everyone else to do it). Does not push anything else on D1, doesn't even think about it. n00bKing; Admits Barakos' post is bad. I don't remember what you called him, it's already evident you at least REALLY didn't call him mafia (because i DO remember when people ACTUALLY call someone mafia). Is one of the last people to vote for him. Pushes Rels all day long, never touches the case on Barakos aside from off-hand comments on him. And from these actions you decide that "Rels is not clear but my stance on things make no sense from scum perspective"?!??! | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
wrong thread. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
There is no way one thinks giving out townreads (especially with reasoning, as you did) does not help the town finding mafia, even regardless of your affiliation. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 26 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote: I think that boxer's post was genuine although he is wrong about Kelsier. Which means I think boxer is most likely town He is also voting for Scott who i think could be mafia. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet? Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless? i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia. Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
It's basically his post. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 26 2015 21:28 KelsierSC wrote: Because outside of that associative read (scott is mafia therefore hopeless must be town) I can't get a read on hopeless either way. It's not an associative read. You read me town from my point that is actually Hopelesswonder's point, yet you don't townread him. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 02:20 FirmTofu wrote: I have played many games since then(not on this site) and I have since changed my view on this matter. When we give town reads, we are vocally informing mafia of most town-read people in the game. These helps them choose their targets and doesn't do an effective job of eliminating mafia candidates for town. It is far better as town, statistically speaking, to talk about mafia candidates because talking about who you think is scummy helps us figure out who to lynch without compromising our town reads. Most importantly, even if I fundamentally disagree with you on this view that townreads are bad town play, that doesn't make me mafia. I just disagree with you on how to play the game. Lynching someone for a disagreement is bad play. You should be lynching me for scummy behavior. I am voting for you because i do not believe you believe what you are saying. Like it's literally harder to find mafia amongst 10 people than it is to find mafia amongst 6 people. Arbitary numbers, but it is a fact. If someone is town and someone else does not get it, it helps them to come to the same (correct) conclusion, and therefore helps the whole town to find mafia. Giving out townreads helps you prove you are town. Because it shows your thought process and people can then evaluate if the thought process is legitmate and coming from the town or not. Simple fact. Many people do not have scumreads early on, because finding town is generally a fuckton easier than to find mafia. Alot of this game is about process of elimination. Here is the real kicker; If you believe in what you say aren't you voting for Palmar for "disagreeing with you on how to play the game", which, by your definition, is not scummy? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Scott who are the scummy people you were talking about who were voting for Hopeless at that time? Also: Scott why did you give posts to Kelsier? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 03:20 FirmTofu wrote: I will admit, I agree with some of his recent reads. However, when I was online, all of his posts were trash and he had no redeeming posts. See for yourself. What reads of his have changed since then? And what posts exactly are redeeming from him? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 03:43 scott31337 wrote: Clarity was the suspicious voter I was referring to - Hopeless looks better now. Why do you use a plural instead of referring only to Clarity? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
idk yet, i want FT and scott to talk first. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On FT, i don't really know if i believe he actually ever thought Palmar was mafia, mainly because when you think someone is mafia you read their posts closely. FT is clearly not doing that, because if he was, he would see that: 1) Palmar's top scumread has been scott all game. 2) none of Palmar's reads have ever notably changed, while FT kinda claims they have when he says his "latest" reads. Why would you use a word "latest", when latest is the same than "before"? 3) Palmar has scott as his top scumread, yet Palmar's vote is on me. If FT thinks Palmar is mafia, given his reasoning for like everything he has said in the game, i think that in his mindset he SHOULD call Palmar out for this contradiction. yet he doesn't. Also still waiting on Scott to answer me. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 03:46 FirmTofu wrote: Let's be clear. I'm not saying Palmar is town or even a townread for me. Just that his last few posts are redeeming and I am okay with not lynching him. On July 27 2015 04:05 FirmTofu wrote: To your third point, you are assuming I still think Palmar is mafia. I don't anymore and what Palmar did isn't even necessarily a contradiction. His vote in that circumstance looks more like pressure than an actual vote to lynch you. Okay vote stands. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Palmar did things that make him mafia to FT. Then he did some other things. Those other things should either make him a townread, not null (like idk, he seems to be saying here, unless he is saying Palmar is still scummy). Based on what FT said about Palmar earlier i don't believe he actually thinks Palmar did townie things (since he was pretty much just clarifying his reads and/or saying new stuff which changed nothing), or if he does, it should make him think Palmar is town, because he is now doing things against FT's original case. I am bad at explaining shit, he is mafia. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I have to get up at 4am, i am going soon, i need your input. I hate rsoultin is not here and Clarity is probably scum. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
why is noone i expect to play is playing?  | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:29 rsoultin wrote: i need you to articulate it better for me, rayn how is the thought process contradictory? his explanation for it (palmar having new reads on people he was actually interested in) seemed okay? granted, it's obvious palmar won't be lynched and it's pretty coincidental that he doesn't seem to think he's scum anymore i can't find the words. it doesn't make sense. he is scum. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:39 rsoultin wrote: why not clarity, rayn? i really think he's scum :/ I ma not sure about it. I am not sure about Kelsier being mafia. I actually think you and Palmar are more likely to be mafia. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:43 FirmTofu wrote: Calling this game now. Mafia team is Clarity, scott, and Kelsier. It's just so perfect. And this doesn't make any fucking sense at all. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Focus for fucks sake. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:48 rsoultin wrote: lol you guys love to focus in on this i've told you why i think he's town and i've admitted i could be wrong cause i know i'm not good at reading him. so what? like, do you have a case on palmar i didn't see? i'm not just going to sheep you on him when i think he's town and i have no clue if i should trust your read over mine because i don't know how good you are at reading him. i suspect not very. he's fucking palmar -_- I ma very good at reading Palmar. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:43 FirmTofu wrote: Calling this game now. Mafia team is me, rsoultin, and Palmar. It's just so perfect. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote: proof or it didn't happen i trust myself i trust certain players on particular other players if i'm townreading them i trust a townread palmar's d1 reads to some extent if i at least get a similar feel like, seriously, how can you expect me to trust you when you're not even sure and you're scumreading me in the same breath for god knows what reason? i suspect association, personally, which just makes me want to facepalm. maybe you're right on tofu but i really think clarity is the better lynch today because i see scum there where tofu could just be bad town? here is why rsoultin is mafia. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Those two things are unrelated. She is using an argument that has nothing to do with what i say about Palmar to discredit me. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:56 FirmTofu wrote: So let me get this straight. You think that I bussed Palmar right off the bat and then planned to back off later. Why the fuck would I do that as scum? Can't tell if you're serious or just mafia. yeah like you bussed Corazon in Titanic. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 05:00 rsoultin wrote: if you're town you will listen to me if you are not town you may succeed in mislynching me again which would be fucking infuriating, but everyone else will take note yes, you are or at least keep insisting that you are actually good at reading me...i actually have seen no evidence of this apart from titanic since you rolled scum in all 3 of the last 3 games we played together but if you're this fucking wrong on me who you're supposed to actually have an inkling of how to read, and i think that palmar is objectively much harder to read than i could ever be, then clearly your reads can't be trusted ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT SCUMREADING US BECAUSE WE WANT TO LYNCH CLARITY OVER TOFU?! because if you are you're being fucking idiotic I am scumreading you because you aren't doing shit and saying dumb things and/or using dumb narratives to discredit my thoughts. I am being, like i have been, honest here, i lynched you in the other game because you were scummy. You were. Obviously you were town, but you weren't doing shit. Obviously that was because you were playing two games at once and didn't have time but it does not change the fact you didn't do shit. You are not doing shit here. I don't find any intelligent comments from you. I just fucking don't. Palmar goes to same pile. I actually hold you two in the highest regards in the players in this game. I cannot understand why netiher of you cannot fucking see why what FirmTofu is doing is scummy as fuck and i cannot understand how you can possibly think Clarity is a better lynch than FT just because he is inactive. Like feel free to go ahead and lynch Clarity, i am telling you he will flip fucking town. FirmTofu will not. Kelsier will flip town. I have no idea what Scott will flip. So yeah. It doesn't help i have to wake up at 4 am so i REALLY gotta go in like 15 minutes. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 05:10 rsoultin wrote: yeah screw you ^^ i'm a tonereader. you have to wait a cycle cause i don't trust fucking inconsistency arguments that you so love to make because HALF THE TIME THEY MEAN NOTHING i ASKED you to explain your read better and you couldn't. try he isn't making any sense his reads do not progress logically his read on Palmar is shit nstead of trying to find/lynch mafia he wants to lynch whoever he can (see fucking Kelsier - Palmar reads of his) | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 05:11 GlowingBear wrote: Rayn lynch Scott please. no | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 27 2015 05:17 FirmTofu wrote: bitch please. I know I'm town. I know I'm probably going to get lynched. I am basically forced to vote for anyone other than me. yeah and you jsut fucking said you don't care if you get lynched.... | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Please do not lynch Clarity. Please do not lynch Kelsier. Please do not lynch Scott. Lynch FirmTofu. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I know i cant do anything about the lynch on D2. But Clarity is not mafia. Then look at what i said about rsoultin and Palmar. Thank you. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I said this before and i say this again. I don't care to google the english words for what this is, look at foolishness' post about "book of bad arguments". "I cant trust your other reads because you cant even read me here". I am serious i have never seen rsoultin say anything this stupid in a game of mafia. She is scum, i dont care what she posts. This is enough. Palmar is also scum. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 28 2015 02:41 rsoultin wrote: 84/90 i think you're wrong, rayn, but can you explain to me why you think clarity is town? unless it's just because you're tunneled on me, in which case your read is already based on a false premise and it's not useful to me at all -_- i'd like to hear your read on palmar unless, again, it's just associative Double scum. Same thing agin. Discrediting my argument with reasoning that has nothing to do with what i said in the first place. why cant anyone see rsoultin does "not want to trust me" because "i am untrustable as i am scumreading her"?? Attack the person, not the argument. Basic scum strategy. Palmar mafia because not cooperating with me at all. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
From the beginning to this point. It's pretty easy to tell. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Iam talking about pslmar who is mafia. L2R. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Try again. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 11 2015 07:04 justanothertownie wrote: You did fine. Your team really let you down. +1 you did fine. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 11 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote: the scott lynch was hysterically bad +1 so was bf. | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 11 2015 08:33 geript wrote: I'll say this. The slam lynch was an accident that turned out well. Don't get me wrong, Slam was obviously mafia and Clarity wasn't likely town (despite a few people saying otherwise). Town just sort of lucked into that lynch somehow because they didn't want to lynch other people not because they actually gave good reasons for Clarity/Slam to be mafia. yeah but there were not any good reasons for ANYONE in the game (including Cava) to be mafia at that point soooo.... | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Or if you are going to say they should have been lynched because of the vote analysis why is it EXACTLY their slot that is the mafia off wagon? | ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jloH5.gif) blazinghanduuuuuuu! | ||
| ||
