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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 27 2015 03:43 scott31337 wrote: Clarity was the suspicious voter I was referring to - Hopeless looks better now. Why do you use a plural instead of referring only to Clarity? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 26 2015 03:29 Palmar wrote: Clarity also complained about people not posting when his filter was probably less than 100 words or something super short. He has not given anything valuable yet. I like this post because it points out hypocrisy. Also, clarity is a good lynch candidate and it shows that Palmar is wary of him. On July 26 2015 03:42 Palmar wrote: I just don't think it's as relevant as you do. But I haven't actually gone back and reread Kelsier so maybe I'll come away with a different perspective when and if I do. Like the conversation isn't all that difficult to follow. Yes it's a slight overreaction (scott probably didn't mean it in the way Kelsier took it) but meeehhhh.... maybe I'm wrong, who knows. I like this post because it seems like a genuine stream of consciousness post, one that reflects both uncertainty and self-doubt. Just sounds townie to me. It also is part of series of posts he had with glowingbear that actually led to some substantive discussion on Kelsier. I like people who are actively contributing and Palmar seems to finally be doing that. Let's be clear. I'm not saying Palmar is town or even a townread for me. Just that his last few posts are redeeming and I am okay with not lynching him. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
.:Case on KelsierSC:. 1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote: It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? On July 25 2015 19:21 KelsierSC wrote: Seems like a really important use of your time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/489370-lost-but-not-forgotten-mini-mafia?user=KelsierSC On July 25 2015 19:39 KelsierSC wrote: See the better question would be , do you have any reads yet? Because that might be something interesting, instead your question looks to misrepresent what has actually happened in the game. unfortunately everyone is playing like shit so I have absolutely no one as town. If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really? Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional. 2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscience On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote: It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with. After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both. bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me. scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum? THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not "ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience. More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted. The same reaction can be seen here: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2015 19:54 KelsierSC wrote: This isn't going to lead to anything productive so I think it's best to just end it here. It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more likely. 3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to + Show Spoiler + On July 26 2015 03:00 KelsierSC wrote: Lol I think palmar is town I want to ask snickers why he thinks defending yourself makes you mafia? I was going to say I like the new guy early on but his like second attack on palmar after he posted felt really forced. you scum read palmar for having a "skimpy" (awesome word) filter, now he is here to contribute going crazy on him feels like an overcompensation. I don't like Glowingbear so would happily lynch him. On July 26 2015 03:13 KelsierSC wrote: well he is here reading the game and giving leans either way on quite a few players. your contribution so far has been to attack palmar for a small filter, and now he is here to attack him again. Like I said it didn't really make sense. From my perspective if I had someone as scum for being skimpy i'd give them more of a chance to post and maybe read some other players, not just tunnel the shit out of them. The way you acted, didn't feel correct. @snickers - You called rsoul mafia for defending herself and you seemed to have a problem when you thought I was doing it the fact you even asked me to qualify that statement is suspicous. so tell me why does it make people scummy. GB - because I read your posts and they felt stupid On July 26 2015 05:39 KelsierSC wrote: simple reason why rsoul is angry? probably the same reason i appear "annoyed" idiots and snickers. but i repeat myself On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote: This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either People I think are town rayn, rsol, snickers, onegu, palmar there are others that I should try to work out; hopeless, clarity, obi, bf. I want to read more from them. GB you can just say nothing and that would be fine. The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting to lynch me. It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it. What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait. Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case. 4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT HE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity). IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!! + Show Spoiler [WIFOM] + Points on Kelsier were brought many times and no one quickly jumped on it, not even Scott, who was suspicions on Kelsier in the first place. The quick and unreasonable town reads Kelsier got points out that scum didn't want him as a possible mislynch. I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me. ##Vote: KelsierSC | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On July 27 2015 03:46 FirmTofu wrote: I like this post because it points out hypocrisy. Also, clarity is a good lynch candidate and it shows that Palmar is wary of him. I like this post because it seems like a genuine stream of consciousness post, one that reflects both uncertainty and self-doubt. Just sounds townie to me. It also is part of series of posts he had with glowingbear that actually led to some substantive discussion on Kelsier. I like people who are actively contributing and Palmar seems to finally be doing that. Let's be clear. I'm not saying Palmar is town or even a townread for me. Just that his last few posts are redeeming and I am okay with not lynching him. Why is clarity a good lynch candidate? This is the first time you've mentioned him thus far. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
idk yet, i want FT and scott to talk first. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 27 2015 03:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why is clarity a good lynch candidate? This is the first time you've mentioned him thus far. Low posting, hypocrisy, and just all around bad play. He has a lot of low-quality posts and has been completely useless thus far. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On FT, i don't really know if i believe he actually ever thought Palmar was mafia, mainly because when you think someone is mafia you read their posts closely. FT is clearly not doing that, because if he was, he would see that: 1) Palmar's top scumread has been scott all game. 2) none of Palmar's reads have ever notably changed, while FT kinda claims they have when he says his "latest" reads. Why would you use a word "latest", when latest is the same than "before"? 3) Palmar has scott as his top scumread, yet Palmar's vote is on me. If FT thinks Palmar is mafia, given his reasoning for like everything he has said in the game, i think that in his mindset he SHOULD call Palmar out for this contradiction. yet he doesn't. Also still waiting on Scott to answer me. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 27 2015 03:55 Onegu wrote: GB is it ok if I not trust any of your reads? Only if you say why | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
I asked him about Bf. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
Because I am town reading tou | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 27 2015 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i think GB's point 2 is okay. I also don't understand how Kelsier is still saying Cava misrepped him. Because he answered "that's how he read it to mean". So in his world Cava should be either lying (which should make him mafia) or KElsier's suspicion should not exist. He somehow takes the middle road, and idk why. On FT, i don't really know if i believe he actually ever thought Palmar was mafia, mainly because when you think someone is mafia you read their posts closely. FT is clearly not doing that, because if he was, he would see that: 1) Palmar's top scumread has been scott all game. 2) none of Palmar's reads have ever notably changed, while FT kinda claims they have when he says his "latest" reads. Why would you use a word "latest", when latest is the same than "before"? 3) Palmar has scott as his top scumread, yet Palmar's vote is on me. If FT thinks Palmar is mafia, given his reasoning for like everything he has said in the game, i think that in his mindset he SHOULD call Palmar out for this contradiction. yet he doesn't. Also still waiting on Scott to answer me. To your first point, I didn't think scott was scummy then. I think he's scummy now. So I agree with his read on scott not and I was null on it back then. To your second point, Palmar's latest reads are not changed reads on old people. They are new reads on new people. Palmar didn't comment on Clarity before I accused him of mafia. He has now. This is new information. To your third point, you are assuming I still think Palmar is mafia. I don't anymore and what Palmar did isn't even necessarily a contradiction. His vote in that circumstance looks more like pressure than an actual vote to lynch you. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Makes sense No, you should look the points and evaluate what is good or wrong in them, and not consider who is making those arguments | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On July 26 2015 21:38 rsoultin wrote: and tofu's push on palmar was horrible. it's not a bad lynch. it could be a wrong lynch. i'm hoping palmar can articulate why he doesn't want to pull the trigger on it Everything you say is essentially correct and the bolded basically answers your own question. I feel there is a very real possibility he is just a baddie. Although maybe I should worry less about that and just lynch him for saying stuff that makes no sense. Im also heavily considering lynching clarity | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:08 Palmar wrote: Everything you say is essentially correct and the bolded basically answers your own question. I feel there is a very real possibility he is just a baddie. Although maybe I should worry less about that and just lynch him for saying stuff that makes no sense. Im also heavily considering lynching clarity Palmar, what do you think of my case? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 27 2015 03:46 FirmTofu wrote: Let's be clear. I'm not saying Palmar is town or even a townread for me. Just that his last few posts are redeeming and I am okay with not lynching him. On July 27 2015 04:05 FirmTofu wrote: To your third point, you are assuming I still think Palmar is mafia. I don't anymore and what Palmar did isn't even necessarily a contradiction. His vote in that circumstance looks more like pressure than an actual vote to lynch you. Okay vote stands. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
I don't get it. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
I don't think you understand what a null read is. Or you're mafia. I can't tell. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Palmar did things that make him mafia to FT. Then he did some other things. Those other things should either make him a townread, not null (like idk, he seems to be saying here, unless he is saying Palmar is still scummy). Based on what FT said about Palmar earlier i don't believe he actually thinks Palmar did townie things (since he was pretty much just clarifying his reads and/or saying new stuff which changed nothing), or if he does, it should make him think Palmar is town, because he is now doing things against FT's original case. I am bad at explaining shit, he is mafia. | ||
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