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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 25 2015 18:33 GMT
#326
Snickers i think you should re-evaluate.
You push is really dumb.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 25 2015 18:41 GMT
#331
On July 26 2015 03:38 Palmar wrote:
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On July 26 2015 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 26 2015 03:27 Palmar wrote:
I knew about all those I just wanted to see if you were paying attention.

My post was written AS READ, ie: by the time I quoted your post you were complaining about having no read and at exactly that time you hadn't commented on the people you mentioned. You later did, but all th epost you quoted come AFTER the post where you're complaining that there's nothing to talk about.

I think the stuff you mentioned about Obi misrepresenting Kelsier is probably not relevant, even if it seems correct. I just think it's more of an accidental thing rather than intentional.

I am a bit puzzled by you saying the bolded if you did the underlined (which you most probably did - i figured that out).
Like the first sentence just doesn't fit there, it sounds really weird.

And yeah i think Cava is town.

The first sentence refers to the time where I wrote the "that's just blatantly false" post. At that time I had read along and knew you later would comment on some of the people I had originally complained you didn't talk about.

I don't get what the "i just wanted to see if you are paying attention" has to do with anything.
It looks like a reason you made your post. But it cannot be a reason for your post by your later explanation.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 07:48 GMT
#424
##unvote
##vote FirmTofu
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 07:57 GMT
#427
Maybe i am wrong on scott?
Hopeless said something really bright.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 08:04 GMT
#435
Snickers if you are a named VT claim.
Otherwise there is no reason you should think Onegu is mafia based on his claim.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 08:08 GMT
#438
On July 26 2015 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:
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On July 26 2015 02:50 Palmar wrote:
This is kinda scummy.

On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am also a cop.


On July 25 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean detective fuck OP's are hard to read.


The reason being is that the latter post tries too hard to make it obvious his claim is bullshit. It's more likely that mafia would semi-waffle on their claim or make it weaker than a townie who is just trolling.

On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote:
On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
beautiful warm day
birds chirping
bugs chirring
the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes

but guys, guys, guys...

rayn is scuuum ^^


he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^

guys!

guys! guys!

listen to me...

lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think?

-fades back into the ether-


This is also kinda scummy for almost the same reason. The overemphasis that it's a joke. I'm not going to try to hang either of them based on only this, but at least it's something.

On July 25 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote:
OH IS A POST RESTRICTED GAME!

Don't worry, we still have a storage with Onegu


This is more likely to be townbear, I can't explain exactly why and it's super weak. Just to give you an idea if everyone starts at 50/100 on the mafia scale, the people I've mentioned so far are just a few points above or below null. If I reach a strong read this readthrough I'll be sure to let you know.

Speak of the devil.

Translation: "Hey, this guy looks a little scummy and this guy looks a little towny. Don't lynch me and let me go back to my mafia corner."

Why are you giving us your town reads? How does that help us find mafia? This post you made here was completely pointless. There is nothing of substance here.

Here is why FirmTofu is mafia.
Especially the underlined part is something that is impossible for a townie to believe is true.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 08:14 GMT
#443
From a quick glance into the last game FirmTofu was town in (that he posted more than 2 times on D1) from the database:
On May 03 2012 07:40 FirmTofu wrote:
Gummy, I think I know what you're doing. Let it be known to posterity that I think its a terrible strategy.

We aren't going to have a lynch today. I think both Claw and Gummy are town, and no one else has enough evidence on top of them for me to even consider lynching them.

Get over yourself Gummy. There is no way you can deduce everyone's alignment from a handful of Day 1 posts. Let's wait a day and see if we get some REAL information.

##vote: No Lynch

On May 03 2012 08:02 FirmTofu wrote:
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On May 03 2012 07:57 Ange777 wrote:
I still don't understand. Voting no lynch will leave us in almost the same situation on day 2 as now, only difference is we will know one colour but are down one townie. I fear that this won't be sufficient to rule scum out on day 2 as well.

This.

All I see with Gummy is a guy who thinks he is better than everyone else here and thinks he has the game figured out. He wants everyone to see how right he is, so he is pushing Claw with a single-minded focus with utter disregard for any legitimate strategy. I am not one who will vote with someone who allows his emotions to sway his decisions.

As you can see with all his bolded posts, he is simply spewing rhetoric and nonsensical arguments to get people to listen to him at this point. As I mentioned earlier, we should adopt a strict policy of ignoring Gummy until he gets his emotions in check.

FirmTofu why were you giving townreads on D1?
It is a scumtell and doesn't help anyone finding mafia remember?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 08:14 GMT
#444
On July 26 2015 17:13 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 16:48 Onegu wrote:
What about my medic play, I wouldnt fucking claim as medic here. Named VT has no abilities so claiming day 1 is correct especially when you are a player like me who always gets scum read.


im done with this conversation.

Yeah you should be, Onegu is 100% right here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 08:20 GMT
#447
n00bKing you need to explain how you think it is possible Rels is mafia, or rather how does his stance on Barakos and what he has pushed on D1 not clear him but on the other hand your stance on Barakos and other people and what you did makes no sense from scum perspective.

Like let me clarify:

Rels; is the first one who points out Barakos' scummy post. Calls him mafia. Votes for him early on (tbh i pushed him to do it but i also pushed everyone else to do it). Does not push anything else on D1, doesn't even think about it.

n00bKing; Admits Barakos' post is bad. I don't remember what you called him, it's already evident you at least REALLY didn't call him mafia (because i DO remember when people ACTUALLY call someone mafia). Is one of the last people to vote for him. Pushes Rels all day long, never touches the case on Barakos aside from off-hand comments on him.

And from these actions you decide that "Rels is not clear but my stance on things make no sense from scum perspective"?!??!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 08:21 GMT
#449
oopsie.
wrong thread.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 09:25 GMT
#452
It's a reason to call someone scum for reasons that do not actually make anyone scum.
There is no way one thinks giving out townreads (especially with reasoning, as you did) does not help the town finding mafia, even regardless of your affiliation.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 09:37 GMT
#454
On July 26 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
I think that boxer's post was genuine although he is wrong about Kelsier.
Which means I think boxer is most likely town

He is also voting for Scott who i think could be mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 09:45 GMT
#457
Why does he say his spreadsheet is shitty?
Why would anyone keep a shitty spreadsheet?

Also why does he say there are scummy voters on Hopeless? Who is scummy on Hopeless?

i am apparently not, so it has to be Clarity. I don't know how he ends up in Clarity being mafia when he is voting for the same person (Hopeless) and Clarity thinks Hopeless is mafia. It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make any sense he uses a plural on "voters", because it is impossible he thinks more than one person on Hopeless is mafia.

Unless he is lying about his read on me or his read on himself.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 12:23 GMT
#461
Kelsier why is Hopeless not town then if my post is good?
It's basically his post.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 12:31 GMT
#464
On July 26 2015 21:28 KelsierSC wrote:
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On July 26 2015 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier why is Hopeless not town then if my post is good?
It's basically his post.


Because outside of that associative read (scott is mafia therefore hopeless must be town) I can't get a read on hopeless either way.

It's not an associative read.
You read me town from my point that is actually Hopelesswonder's point, yet you don't townread him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 13:59 GMT
#470
I am starting to agree Clarity is not a bad lynch at all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 18:03 GMT
#489
On July 27 2015 02:20 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
From a quick glance into the last game FirmTofu was town in (that he posted more than 2 times on D1) from the database:
On May 03 2012 07:40 FirmTofu wrote:
Gummy, I think I know what you're doing. Let it be known to posterity that I think its a terrible strategy.

We aren't going to have a lynch today. I think both Claw and Gummy are town, and no one else has enough evidence on top of them for me to even consider lynching them.

Get over yourself Gummy. There is no way you can deduce everyone's alignment from a handful of Day 1 posts. Let's wait a day and see if we get some REAL information.

##vote: No Lynch

On May 03 2012 08:02 FirmTofu wrote:
On May 03 2012 07:57 Ange777 wrote:
I still don't understand. Voting no lynch will leave us in almost the same situation on day 2 as now, only difference is we will know one colour but are down one townie. I fear that this won't be sufficient to rule scum out on day 2 as well.

This.

All I see with Gummy is a guy who thinks he is better than everyone else here and thinks he has the game figured out. He wants everyone to see how right he is, so he is pushing Claw with a single-minded focus with utter disregard for any legitimate strategy. I am not one who will vote with someone who allows his emotions to sway his decisions.

As you can see with all his bolded posts, he is simply spewing rhetoric and nonsensical arguments to get people to listen to him at this point. As I mentioned earlier, we should adopt a strict policy of ignoring Gummy until he gets his emotions in check.

FirmTofu why were you giving townreads on D1?
It is a scumtell and doesn't help anyone finding mafia remember?

I have played many games since then(not on this site) and I have since changed my view on this matter.

When we give town reads, we are vocally informing mafia of most town-read people in the game. These helps them choose their targets and doesn't do an effective job of eliminating mafia candidates for town. It is far better as town, statistically speaking, to talk about mafia candidates because talking about who you think is scummy helps us figure out who to lynch without compromising our town reads.

Most importantly, even if I fundamentally disagree with you on this view that townreads are bad town play, that doesn't make me mafia. I just disagree with you on how to play the game. Lynching someone for a disagreement is bad play. You should be lynching me for scummy behavior.

I am voting for you because i do not believe you believe what you are saying.

Like it's literally harder to find mafia amongst 10 people than it is to find mafia amongst 6 people. Arbitary numbers, but it is a fact. If someone is town and someone else does not get it, it helps them to come to the same (correct) conclusion, and therefore helps the whole town to find mafia.

Giving out townreads helps you prove you are town. Because it shows your thought process and people can then evaluate if the thought process is legitmate and coming from the town or not. Simple fact. Many people do not have scumreads early on, because finding town is generally a fuckton easier than to find mafia. Alot of this game is about process of elimination.

Here is the real kicker; If you believe in what you say aren't you voting for Palmar for "disagreeing with you on how to play the game", which, by your definition, is not scummy?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 18:05 GMT
#490
Scott who are the scummy people you were talking about who were voting for Hopeless at that time?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 18:17 GMT
#494
so you do not even go through his reads to figure out if they are good or bad you just point out the act as scummy?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 26 2015 18:18 GMT
#495
On July 27 2015 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Scott who are the scummy people you were talking about who were voting for Hopeless at that time?

Also:
Scott why did you give posts to Kelsier?
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