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On August 01 2015 05:57 ruXxar wrote:
All of you people voting for nocturne instead of n00bking are going to look like ass when nocturne flips town.
If nocturne flips scum you can lynch me tomorrow and I won't even be mad.
If Nocturned had counterclaimed Scott and then flipped Red? I WOULD have lynched you tomorrow. Because a ruXxar/Mage team, with Mage planning to counterclaim Scott, explains your behavior throughout the entire day. As it stands, I *think* you're off the hook. But thanks for providing me with your filter, so I'll know for sure. 
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On August 01 2015 06:00 Damdred wrote:
Explain now or I'm going against my gut and voting you because it's either you/sulf or mages/sulf or sulf/Breske there is no more waiting and seeing its now or never.
It's Mage/Breshke, not Sulf/Breshke, and not Sulf/Mage. And like I said, over the Night Phase I can show you why Mage's partner is Breshke and not Sulfurus. If ruXxar is right (lol, first time for everything? No) and Mage flips Green you can just lynch me the next day anyway. You have the mislynches to do it with.
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On August 01 2015 06:06 Rels wrote:
So the critical info was you thought nm was cop ?
What critical info?
No, I didn't think NM was cop, I thought NM was Scum. I wanted to see if he would fakeclaim Cop, and had tried to get him to do so, by saying that if anyone counterclaimed Scott, he should be the #1 lynch target. But you and ruXxar wouldn't stop acting like idiots, so there was no way for me to get him to come back to the thread. That's why I needed him pushed into the vote lead, so that he would at least come back and say SOMETHING.
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On August 01 2015 06:06 Damdred wrote:
No, no we don't. You guys don't understand that moosey mid killing himself basically fucked town to an extent.
Now sulf is 100% voting with his #1 scum read and no one is batting an eye.
So please Ruxxor rels disinformation switch with me and let's kill sulf
We still have 2 mislynches. I don't know if disformation is around, and I don't know that ruXxar would follow you onto Sulfurus anyway. If you mislynch Sulfurus today, we can still win. But we'll win faster if we lynch Mage.
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On August 01 2015 06:23 Sulfurus wrote:
Also it's not even scummy for me to be switching votes between them; I want to kill both of them and the order doesn't really matter.
But more than either of us, you want to kill Moosy.
But whatevs, thanks for the save, even if you didn't really mean it.
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We need a decision here, Damdred.
My parents were supposed to take me to dinner for my birthday last weekend, and it got cancelled because my mother had to go to the ER with a severe nosebleed that required cauterization. So the dinner got rescheduled to today, and they'll be picking me up before EoD.
What are we doing?
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On August 01 2015 06:44 Rels wrote:
Nm is voting noobking though so noobking is still being lynched.
Is this true? Ugh. I guess I would vote Sulfurus if it's for self-preservation. But I really think Mage should be the lynch.
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Yikes.
##Unvote
##Vote Sulfurus
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On August 01 2015 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
NocuturneMage the Mafia Godfather has been lynched!
You're welcome.
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On August 01 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
Sulf is the least likely probably he fought super hard to get a nm lynch done htm.
lol, no he didn't. *I* fought hard to get the NM lynch done. Does anyone really think that scum lynch goes off without my contributions? Sulfurus fought super hard to keep himself from being lynched, that's all. Read the EoD progression again.
There's nothing about how the day ended that keeps Sulfurus from being Mage's partner. And in fact, the vote count TELLS us that Sulfurus is Mage's partner, because Mage let himself die rather than lynch Sulfurus. I just don't think I believe the vote count. This would mean that Mage bailed on the EoD (since that's the only way to explain how he doesn't lynch Sulf to save himself, if Sulf isn't Scum) but the association case for Mage/Sulf still has a lot of problems, as I was telling you late in Day 3 when you were trying to lynch Sulfurus and I kept saying no, lynch Mage.
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On August 01 2015 08:30 Sulfurus wrote:Speaking for myself the EOD heavily exhausted me so I took a much needed lunch break. Look at this: + Show Spoiler +On July 31 2015 22:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Day 3 Votecount
n00bking (4): ruXxar, scott31337, Rels, Sulfurus
NocturneMage (4): Damdred, disformation, n00bKing, Breshke
Not Voting (1): NocturneMage
n00bKing is set to be lynched! I appologize because the new website seemed to mess up filters and I hope it just temporary T_T This vote was taken pretty earlier in the day right after Breshke put his vote on NocturneMage and never took it off. You never do this as mafia especially in a split vote. I am going to be extremely hesitant to vote anyone who lynched NM but Breshke is basically confirmed town.
Breshke never posted again after Mage returned to the thread. When Breshke puts the 4th vote on Mage, it still didn't put Mage in the Noose. I was still the lynch, as you can see there. Plus Mage's vote is still waiting in the wings. If Breshke missed EoD due to real-life reasons, that quickly explains why his vote never comes off Mage. And if you don't believe that Breshke is Scum who missed EoD, you still have to believe that Mage was Scum who missed EoD, or he would have lynched YOU. Otherwise, you have to claim Scum. You're not claiming Scum, right?
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On August 01 2015 09:37 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2015 09:33 scott31337 wrote:
NM's post was like two hours before EoD. If he was here and noobking is town do you think he would have switched his vote to sulf?
If Mage was here, he switches his vote to Sulf in ANY scenario where Sulfurus is not his partner. There's no way around it. He no-showed the deadline, or Sulfurus is his partner. Period.
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On August 01 2015 08:31 scott31337 wrote:
My heart says its ruxxar with some sickplays tinfoil.
My mind says it's Breshke.
And the vote count says it's Sulfurus.
I agree with your mind.
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On August 01 2015 22:36 disformation wrote:
Here we either have an incredible bus by Breshke or Sulfurus (don't really think so though). I am still on Sulf because my last minute vote didn't go through. Might make me look a bit worse for trying to get last minute town cred or something. Otherwise we are left with Rels, n00bKing and ruXxar.
So yeah... unless Sulfurus or Breshke set up some really sick busses D1 AND D3 we are pretty much left with n00bKing or ruXxar. Shocking.
Other opinions? Did I miss something?
Breshke was AFK at the end of Day 3. Read the end of Day 3. There is never a post from him after Mage returns to the thread. It's not a bus, it's an accident. Day 1 was a bus, and Breshke was one of the 3 players (Rels, Sulfurus, Breshke) that Ticktock and I have been saying for the ENTIRE game were in the prime bussing slots when Barakos goes down.
And you can't be "left with n00bKing" when there seems to be a huge Town Case that explains why I'm not Scum, and when I'm the whole reason NM got lynched!
Damdred was trying to push Mage earlier in the day, but he was doing it by piddlin' around with weaksauce posts like this one:
Damdred wrote: 1) He really has been super side lined all game.
2) The only halfway scum read flipped mafia Barajas had was on mages and town reads on what I consider town players. And as we know new s um players have an easier time scum reading scum.
3) Super poor re entrance d2 lynch only talked about scum breshke basically. Saw you up for lynch breahje voted to lynch you right before he voted ai he couldn't of missed it voted with breahke.
4) Didn't care around lynch voted and left
5) Didn't care about night phase
Is that what is supposed to qualify as a "Scum Case" on someone around here? That's pretty limp. As someone who was ALREADY scumreading NM (and had been for a while) I read Damdred's "case" on NM and said: MEH. That doesn't make me interested in lynching NM.
I, on the other hand, posted arguments against NM that give people a reason to vote against him that they can understand and feel good about. And when Damdred wavered on NM and thought he might want to lynch Sulfurus instead, I kept pushing him (and everyone) back to NM as the best target.
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On August 01 2015 22:54 disformation wrote:
Uuuuh. Just got this idea while shower. This is a bit wifomy, but kinda makes sense in my head right now:
Did you notice which scum role is left? roleblocker...
So. Let us say n00bKing is the roleblocker. He just lost a teammate D1. His other teammate is not that active. He knows there is a vet and a cop in the game. Rels says he would check n00bKing if he is the cop. He panics and judges the danger of a potential redcheck on D2 to be higher than hitting the vet. He blocks Rels.
D2 he notices he has screwed up badly and tries to invent a ploy, where he can spin this to his advantage.
Dude...come ON. There WAS no danger of Rels the Cop turning in a check on me. I cannot possibly have "panicked" and thought that Rels is a Cop who would turn in a check on me, after he makes the post he did in the Night Phase.
And you think my "ploy" could have been made up after the fact? If it's just something I made up on the fly, after making the "mistake" of roleblocking Rels, then why is the logic SO perfect? No one is lucky enough to have the RB on Rels be that Town-indicative for me, if I "notice" my "mistake" on Day 2 and then try to invent a way for it to work in my favor.
Read this:
+ Show Spoiler + #2) Rels was roleblocked It's been hypothesized that I could have roleblocked Rels because I was afraid that he was a Cop that was going to turn in a check on me. I find this absurd, because Rels said that if he was the Cop, he would...turn in a check on me. And he offered no other suggestions to the Cop. Have any of you ever made a post like that as the Cop, and then turned in an action that was exactly what you said you'd do? I never have. And I've never seen anyone else do it, either. And I don't expect I ever will. "Common sense" says I won't. Further, it doesn't make any sense that I would spend Day 1 and Night 1 building a case on Rels, and then roleblock him, in a setup with a guaranteed Scum roleblocker and no Town roleblocker. It would undo all of the work I'd done up to that point to try and make him look suspicious, flushing all of that work down the toilet. It would also destroy my own credibility as a scum-hunter, because I look like a donkey for having scumread him all that time, once the roleblock makes him confirmed Town. People would be less likely to listen to who I think we should lynch, because I had been so wrong about Rels. This would make it harder to get the mislynches I would need to come back from the bad start. Scum does not give up control over future lynches just for the sake of WIFOM. Rels had indicated that although roleblocking or killing him WOULD be terrible for a scum n00bKing, maybe I would have felt compelled to do it anyway, just to avoid the threat of him being a Cop that was about to get a redcheck on me. He phrased that like this: Rels wrote: I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check. But that's just bad math. Of course there is a choice of not doing that, even IF I think there's a chance that Rels might check me, if he were to be the Cop. Roleblocking/killing Rels has a 100% chance of being bad for me if I'm Scum, because of how him becoming confirmed Town wrecks my credibility as a scum-hunter. Yes, the red check would suck MORE, but Rels becoming confirmed Town absolutely sucks. 100% chance that it sucks. Whereas, the chances of Rels being Cop were only 10%. And the chances of Rels being Cop and turning in a check on me (when that's exactly what he said he would do if he were the Cop) are even less than 10%. If I'm Scum and lost Barakos on Day 1, I cannot do something that has a 100% chance of sucking for me. That's not how to make up ground. I have to take that less than 10% chance of Rels being the Cop and redchecking me (IF I'm the roleblocker and not the Godfather. Otherwise, that less than 10% chance is 0%.) So this is not a close call. This is not a tough decision. There is NO...WAY that I would roleblock Rels. Can't afford it. Why is Rels more likely to be the Cop than other people who suggested a Cop check on me, anyway? As I've outlined, he's actually LESS likely to be Cop than other players. But he certainly isn't MORE likely. So why roleblock HIM, when that's the only roleblock target that destroys everything I've done up to that point? As mentioned earlier in the thread, there were a total of 4 players who either mentioned the idea of me being a Cop check, or mentioned me as possible scum. They were: rayn, Rels, ruXxar, and Sulfurus. I made this post: + Show Spoiler +If I roleblock Sulfurus...eliminates him as a strong mislynch candidate. Sucks for me a little, since I had expressed some suspicion of him.
If I roleblock rayn...no problem! This works great! He was the strongest advocate for the Barakos lynch, and was being townread pretty widely.
If I roleblock you (ruXxar)....no problem! This works great! You were already being DumbTown-read pretty widely.
If I roleblock Rels...it WRECKS MY WHOLE FUCKING GAME TO THIS POINT.
If I am Scum, HOW on Earth did that roleblock target get turned in?!! And none of my accusers ever made a PEEP in response to it. NOTHING. Because there's no explaining how I pick Rels as the potential Cop to roleblock, over the others. It doesn't make any sense. The roleblock on Rels is powerful evidence that I am Town.
And I'll say again:
When it comes to "evidence" that you have to THINK about, instead of just "proof" that comes directly from the game mechanics, Point #2 is some of the most compelling evidence of a player being Town that you'll ever see in one of these games.
Point #1 was also strengthened (to the point where it becomes too much to ignore) when Moosy did indeed flip Town. Barakos flipped Red, Moosy flipped Green. There is NO way to explain my Day 1 play if I'm Scum.
And we can add Point #7, which is all the work I put in to get Mage lynched on Day 3.
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On August 01 2015 23:09 disformation wrote:
also: why is n00bKing voting for the hero who saved him?
He stopped saving me, and moved his vote TO me. I had specifically said that the only way I would vote Sulfurus was for self-preservation. And that otherwise, I thought Mage was our guy. And then Sulfurus tried to kill me. I was in the vote lead, and I moved for self-preservation, just as I had said I would.
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On August 01 2015 23:15 Damdred wrote:
The only thing I could say there is that noob is trying to save himself which is nai, however it is a fair point that noob shows 0 confussion paranoia etc when he flips onto mages.
When who flips onto Mage? What do you mean?
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On August 01 2015 23:20 ruXxar wrote:
Btw if I'm mafia here I just concede, there's no fucking way for me to win from this position if I'm mafia.
lol, and if I'm mafia here I would have conceded at the end of Day 1. I didn't sign up to play from the Mafia side of a 10/2 setup. No thanks.
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On August 02 2015 02:55 Rels wrote:
On thing I see from looking at this vote recaps is that NM piled on Sulfurus D2, so another townie point to Sulfu. In day 1 NocturneMage waited until the very last moment to bus; I can't imagine him bussing Sulfurus so early when there are already one mafia down AND he didn't bus Barakos early.
Correct. This is part of the reason why I said Damdred's Mage/Sulfurus team didn't make sense to me. There are other reasons as well, to be skeptical of that combination.
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On August 02 2015 03:11 Damdred wrote:
So yeah so much for noob helping us solve the game here I gues?
What are you talking about? I told you the scum team on Day 3, before Mage ever flipped. And whaddya know? He flipped Red, just like I said.
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