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My goal this game was #1) don't fight with rayn. And try to win the game, we both found the same mafia d1 so no fighting and rayn could drive it home so I was a bit passive which probably hurt me day 2 because people were more ok with following rayn.
D2 I don't think tt was a horrid lynch I just felt like mages was a better lynch and his weird posts really screamed scum to me and I feel like we could of lynched him there and had momentum. I honestly don't think the response rayn gave me here was respectful or anyway I would want to ever treat anyone in mafia so I just gave up no reason to turn it into a shitstorm.
D3 well I just wanted mh mages lynch I basically skipped all the shit fighting with rux and rels and moose and noob. Just pushed my lynch was a shit head and then noob outer himself as mafia how he treated sulf especially after mages flipped. And how he tried to take all the cred and explaining when he had a scum read on mages it made it pretty easy from my perspective.
Overall I can't say anyone played horribly just we all need to work together more and not be shit heads to each other. Myself included
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TBH I was pretty unhappy with MoosyDoosy at some point (D2 I think) and requested a warning for him. I don't deal very well with flat out insults and don't think they have a place in a game, where the goal is to have fun. Yeah, discrediting ppl is a valid tactic, but some of his posts were really really bad. Gotta stay classy. 
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On August 04 2015 07:24 KelsierSC wrote:
hosts interfere too much
At times, I have been told I have been too lenient of a host, others have said I'm pretty strict, I don't know. I don't think you can please everyone though.
Of course I have yet to host a newbie game, and I understand that newbie games are generally more lenient with all rules except behaviour - although behaviour can be a deterrent to some new players. Which is why my understanding behaviour rulings in newbie games are stricter than veteran games.
On August 04 2015 07:24 Damdred wrote:
I actually feel like several should of been mod killed, if it would of been a vet game no mod kills needed. But idk this went a bit to far over the edge imo, moose was more of a warning shot to an extent than anything shrug
I probably would have given a blanket warning and then individual warnings to some of the ones who resorted to severe name calling and/or excessive swearing, had it gone beyond that after a blanket and individual warning then it would have been a modkill. I haven't read the filters of certain individuals yet, but I do agree Moosy should have been modkilled for sure.
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The modkill on Moosy is kinda weird because it actually helped his alignment by essentialy giving town and extra lynch which defeats the purpose of modkilling being a deterrent.
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@Disformation You can go ahead and post whatever it is you wanted to talk to me about but I won't be able to read until I get home ~7 hours from now.
Also more people should be talking about how I solved the game on Day 1
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Oh yeah if anyone asks there were three moments that made me think noob was totally mafia and made me think about lynching him over mages during the day which would of been better/worse in some ways.
The first was when rayn started pointing some things out that bothered me about noob but I hadn't looked into it yet.
The next day I had pushed the mages lynch and had pushed against lynching noob however one of my arguments was he doesn't care just wants his opinion in the thread which I still feel comes more from town. However all a sudden he turns on a dime and goes, rellls I'll answer anything. At that point I just said yeah hrs mafia probably.
Tge final one was how he acted around d2 voting with the knowledge he scun read flipped partner mages d1 no reason for town to act like that.
Such a good read rux/rayn made on him though.
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Ah, just remembered. Wanted to say a few things to Sulfurus about the low post count bias.
I also get told that a good way to identify scum/town is to look at the motivation/goal behind posts. I have an easy time seeing both motivations for (nearly) every post. Added to that I often see the scum motivation of "okay, lets do 1-2 decent posts before they get suspicious" in low post count players. Especially when the reads don't evolve at all or radically change over time and I can't follow the thought process from the filter, since there is a huge gap in between some stuff.
So yeah I have a bit of trouble of reading low post count players properly. 
Hope that will get better with experience/time though.
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On August 04 2015 07:43 Sulfurus wrote:
The modkill on Moosy is kinda weird because it actually helped his alignment by essentialy giving town and extra lynch which defeats the purpose of modkilling being a deterrent.
You mean it closed off the options for scum to mislynch him? Because what you are saying now doesn't make any sense.
10-3 - Barakos lynched
10-2 - Rayn's vest
9-2 - Tictock mislynched
8-2 - Rayn NKed
7-2 - Moosy modkilled
7-1 - Mage lynched
I mean this game was unusual with the vet block, the self-RB, but what I am trying to say is that in a normal situation you have (for the cop/vet setup where the vet is roleblockable, assuming the RB and KP are stacked)
10-3 - ml
9-3 NK
8-3 - ml
7-3 NK
6-3 - hypothetical modkill
5-3 ml
....etc.
At best town won't lose a lynch, but they certainly won't gain a lynch from a modkill.
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Actually it does gain a lynch in the sense you get two question marks in one day, I actually thought his modkill was a strategic one rather than behavior which is worse in my eyes sorta
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For the townies that played on low post counts or limited time - I am looking at you Sulfurus, Scott, Breshke, how do you people make yourselves look town, or do the town reads take time?
Posting off mobile is annoying as fuck sometimes but I really don't have a choice.
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On August 04 2015 07:51 Damdred wrote:
Actually it does gain a lynch in the sense you get two question marks in one day, I actually thought his modkill was a strategic one rather than behavior which is worse in my eyes sorta
Ah ha I misunderstood. I was going to say it certainly didn't help from a numbers perspective but now I understand.
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On August 04 2015 07:54 NocturneMage wrote:
For the townies that played on low post counts or limited time - I am looking at you Sulfurus, Scott, Breshke, how do you people make yourselves look town, or do the town reads take time?
Posting off mobile is annoying as fuck sometimes but I really don't have a choice.
Voting on scum really helps.
Scott was a scum-read pretty much all game.
Sulfurus only got town-read by me due to his meta. He had a completely different approach to the game than my previous game with him. Also fearless in his posting.
Breshke was kinda meh for me all game, but his vote logic just put him in a good spot. His early vote on barakos bought him a lot of credit in my eyes.
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I used to be a low poster and it all comes down to showing thought process and getting what you think into the thread and being fearless.
Its difficult to get hard town read as a low activity player, but some people are just easier to read.
For example breshke felt extremely town d3 when he started posting well thought out posts. Sulf felt more town when he explained himself better and was a bit more clear with why he was switching votes.
And none of them ever came out of pie just not in the lynch today part
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Meta. That word. Had I been town I wouldn't have trusted anyone who used "meta" as a reason to read people. I guess I need to play a few more games here lol.
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For n00bking, I really liked your play this game, but you had a few quirks that stood out as a sore thumb:
Your response to barakos first post was really fishy. I expected you of all people to tear that post apart.
Your push on rels was really silly.
Your logic around rels being cop and who he would check was a big mess.
Your refusal to answer my questions. It doesn't matter what cases you post on yourself. If you don't answer my questions I won't be town-reading you.
How when Moosy tried to explain your logic, he completely missed, and your reaction was just "meh".
That was a dead giveaway, and the following evasiveness in answering questions related to this.
At the end you were REALLY obvious when you said "just vote for nocturne and something may or may not happen". That was so blatantly obvious I couldn't believe people didn't just instantly switch over to you.
Damdred really helped you out and really pissed me off when he wouldn't answer my question about town lying. I couldn't comprehend how damdred didn't see immedieatly that n00bking was mafia from that, and the way damdred dodged my question was scummy as all hell in my eyes.
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I read this game mostly in passing, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
I forget why I thought Barakos was a good lynch D1, but there was a really good reason that a bunch of people (even a vet or two) missed that someone had posted. Regardless, the result of his lynch (because it was so lopsided) should basically be ignored. It's both possible and probable that he was bussed so for the most part, no one should think that anyone on that wagon is town for being on or starting the wagon.
The NK was a good choice, but in games where roleblocking a Veteran prevents their bulletproof vest from going off, then mafia should heavily consider "burying" the RB on the NK. The setup is random equally split between Medic and Veteran, but it's usually correct to err on the side of Veteran because Medics do crazy shit sometimes; or Medics guess wrong. Another good reason to "bury" the RB is because this setup states that RB's are notified and should the NK flip anything but Veteran, then you can have a plan for mafia to claim the RB for town cred later.
The D2 lynch was really bad. I didn't keep notes, but I remember thinking that TickTock was almost assuredly town. That said, how both mafia treated this lynch was really terrible. It's fine to townread someone who's about to get lynched. But neither had a good reason for it and and both looked really terrible for it AND for not really organizing a counter wagon. The 5 off the wagon looked significantly more suspect than the 7 on the wagon.
Somewhere around here, Ruxxar got into a big fight with n00bKing and MoosyDoosy stepped in to townshield his read. There's nothing wrong with any of this. However, how n00bKing approached the situation was not how a towny would whatsoever. He didn't want to really explain things and the explanations he gave were really piss poor. In addition, he was quite happy to let Moosy townshield the hell out of him while n00bKing proceeded to do practically nothing except continue to stir the pot between Mossy and Ruxxar. 99% of the time, Moosy is just a townie with a really bad read that he firmly believes in and n00bKing is mafia. Also fwiw, I think there were some pretty decent points made in cases against n00bKing this day (I can't remember whose were the best but I think disinformation, ruxxar and Rels all had some good points).
D3 had a bunch of random things happen; not all of which I remember. But n00bking made a major mistake by not being on the nocturnemage wagon or not securing the sulfurous lynch. The 4-3-2 division where scum is lynched, generally means that mafia isn't on the wagon. So it basically stated that mafia was between Rels, disinformation, n00bKing and Ruxxar. Disinformation and Rels had both been really towny throughout the game. When you go back and look at the votes, Ruxxar's been wrong all game. Both n00bKing and NocturneMage were late on the D1 bus and then acted oddly around the D2 lynch. So the last mafia is probably n00bKing.
Regarding N3. So mafia chose to roleblock himself and apparently forgot that the rules stated that KP was hand delivered. If I were the host, I would've let the KP go through because there isn't any potential setup with a town RB/JK/tracker so KP is essentially factional. Even still, mafia should've roleblocked the cop and shot him; he'll be dead and you can claim whatever the fuck you want (although claiming the RB there is pretty dumb because it will convince no one). I don't think it would've changed the outcome of the game because I find it hard considering thread sentiment and such that n00bKing wouldn't have been lynched; but he might have been able to avoid 1 day's worth of lynching.
Either way, I'll be hanging out in the TLmafia teamspeak channel for a while if anyone want to talk about the game some more.
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I didn't dodge your question at all, I gave you the truthful answer me answering a yes or no question about a general subject doesn't help anything its just the way the game is played.
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On August 04 2015 08:05 NocturneMage wrote:
Meta. That word. Had I been town I wouldn't have trusted anyone who used "meta" as a reason to read people. I guess I need to play a few more games here lol.
Yeah, don't listen to other people's meta reads, unless you really believe that the guy is town.
Just make meta reads from your own experience with people, it requires a few games to figure out the small nuances.
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On August 04 2015 08:11 Damdred wrote:
I didn't dodge your question at all, I gave you the truthful answer me answering a yes or no question about a general subject doesn't help anything its just the way the game is played.
What I really wanted to convey was if you endores/encouraged town to lie/hide information.
I was reading your reply as as acceptance of town lying / hiding information on purpose, like n00bking was doing.
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Also, to all newbies who are trying to use meta. Stop. Don't do it. It's a trap. This is what I told Disinfo in the coaching QT:
Honestly, don't waste time trying to meta for at least a year. It takes a long while before you understand how meta actually even works. You see, meta is a trap. You think it's a beautiful Asian chick in those amazing school girl outfits with the typical anime hair. Then you realize it's not a chick at all and you done fucked up. Trust me, I use meta all the time and I've become exceptionally more careful how I utilize it. You won't know or even realize what to look for until you really see people play for a while (or spend time fucking up and learn it that way).
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