EPTOn July 05 2015 14:07 Onegu wrote:
Still only VTs...
Still only VTs...
unuspecting teens to be exact.
Lost But Not Forgotten Mini Mafia
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unuspecting teens to be exact. | ||
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Wait i am cohosting? :o | ||
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i would rather play if it's okay. | ||
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Having a party tonight. | ||
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On July 18 2015 03:17 Damdred wrote: Game starts while I'm at work so just assume my first scum read is rayn for reasons. ##vote Damdred | ||
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No. Why do you think i should read you town? | ||
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I mean, how do you read him? | ||
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Maaaaaayyyyybe he is town as he seems to be interested in my read on him. Idk yet. He uses alot of AtE as scum. We'll see. Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h. | ||
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Why did you claim vanilla cop? | ||
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Robik tried that once. He was right on my alignment exactly 50% of the time rofl. | ||
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Also how does "keep mafia guessing if i am a cop or vt" differ from not claiming anything? | ||
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Yamato will explain what he is thinking eventually. At the moment i don't care what his thought process is but i can see there being one. That is how i literally read yamato early on in the game. I am not claiming i am 100% accurate on that this early on, but i am really confident i will get his alignment right when he starts posting more and making bigger posts that actually show his thought process. And yes, so far he seems town for his posts. There is no bullshit like in scumato posts there pretty much always is more or | ||
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Am i missing something? He is my strongest townread after Rels. | ||
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On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote: And to ff statement about anger some of your posts fo feel angry or perturbed like when I had to drag a interaction out of you, and when you are willing to get your page of filter fast about nothing meh ff could still be scum this is in fact a really terrible read Damdred. | ||
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On July 18 2015 19:23 KelsierSC wrote: You told damdred that "it would be fun" but now apparently there is some next level night kill play. interesting as this is, do you have any reads so far ? Like this is what bothers me with plotspot. He uses two different explanations for his actions. There is nothing alignment indicative in his claim itself. He says he has planned that some weeks ago, so he would do that as either alignment most likely. The problem is, i don't understand (1) his explanation Kelsier pointed out and (2) what is he trying to gain? Like i don't get how anyone can think claiming "vanilla cop" does "confuse" mafia (but not town). Also he said it was a reaction test so; I want to hear it from him, what did he gain. What conclusions did he come up with for the reactions, and why. Otherwise probably mafia trying to just post something and talk about irrelevant things that have nothing to do with scumhunting. | ||
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On July 18 2015 19:25 plotspot wrote: I always have to ask myself the question: will the info I reveal benefit town or mafia more? I know most here believe if you have info, share it with town, because town are in the majority. I'll try to consider this more. Also i think this is really bad. plotspot what is this "info" you are talking about here? obviously you want to share all info you have (not talking about claiming here). Why wouldn't you? | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:02 KelsierSC wrote: I don't mind him pushing ff but the reasoning for his read is terribad. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:08 KelsierSC wrote: mhmm...I mean it's not like you can look at it and say "damdred made a great case, he thinks this guy is 100% mafia let's sheep. " it's more of damdred giving reasons for a scum lean. it's not terribad for early d1 though. well it kinda is. half of his case didn't even happen. well, all of his case didn't even happen the way he puts it. | ||
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On February 18 2015 23:38 Damdred wrote: LS you are such an easy read when you do things like this. I can't find a reason that Rayn is town currently, I read his filter last night and this morning to try to get a fresh perspective. There are a couple of red flags in his filter that pop up to me that make me uneasy and make me think that he could potentially be mafia. If you look at his filter you will find that he is not going about this game in the same way that he has in his past games as town. There is very little scum hunting to the extent that I am used to. Usually he sees something scummy and pushes it and the person until they either crack and gets them lynched or yells and screams and gets his person lynched. This is missing this game, look at slytern mafia which is his closest town game in which he had similar time restraints. He pushed his scum reads extremely hard and got his lynched day one and then pressed Sl until he cracked d2 and got him lynched. I don't see the same tenaciousness here. Hes lacking the real drive and impact in the game, hes a behind the scenes type guy in this game. He seems to have several scum reads in the game but drops them pretty quickly. He lacks his normal tunnel on people, for example he calls Palmar mafia at one point for a case on him but never revisits it to my eyes. He doesn't really push any of his scum reads and he is really lurky and back of the bus for Rayn. I think this guy is scum. damdred why does your case on FF sound awfully alot like the above? | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:04 VayneAuthority wrote: hm what do you think of jonnylaw so far? townpile so far. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: it's not really a case though. just wait and see what happens I don't care about if it is a case or not. I care about the fact that the things he present - from what he forms a read on FF did not actually happen. | ||
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The "I had to drag a interaction out of you" is a straight out lie based on the thread. The "you are willing to get your page of filter fast about nothing" is just a dumb argument this early in the game. | ||
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town Rels Kelsier FecalFeast VayneAuthority JohnnyLaw yamato That leaves me with geript plotspot Damdred milo. I am about 96% confident there is at least two, probably three mafia in those four people. | ||
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He could be mafia. Not sure yet. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:30 Damdred wrote: Actually stop being dumb rayn everything that I posted did happen. 1) FF did in fact basically say I want to get all my one page over. Then complained about it being totally fluff, or that he hoped it wouldn't be -shrug- 2) Tonr wise he does sound perturbed or angry that he had to ask about that part of my post when I found it interesting nobody even asked. 3) You are obviously not reading if you can't see I had to pry ff to interact on the point of oneg basically. The funny thing is that most of this stuff I pointed out BEFORE you initially town read me. And the cases don't look anything alike since I don't have a case but a slight lean I was explaining. You actually never said any of those things. The conversation you had with FF about Onegu - well FF comes out of it MUCH better looking than you do, because what he said is right. You somehow managed to turn it into "I had to pry ff to interact" when YOU were the one that bailed out of the conversation for whatever reason. Your point (1) is really dumb. It just is. Because it is not alignment indicative in any way, and you should know it. Your point (2) is fluff. That's how you interpret his posting. It doesn't make it true, because you can always say "X sounds [insert any word here]". You can interpret people's "tone" however you want and noone can say anything about it because you COULD actually think that. Furthermore you show no actual proof from the thread that makes FF mafia. Literally none. Like can i say here "you sound awfully angry Damdred, that probably makes you mafia"?? Because you do, however i do not think it's alignment indicative, but as per your definition that should make you mafia, no? | ||
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On July 18 2015 09:54 Fecalfeast wrote: *siiiiiiiiiggggggh* why is onegu interesting damdred? On July 18 2015 10:02 Damdred wrote: To late ff, you aren't eligible for the town points asking obvious questions. I'll come,back to it later. Geript any way to early thoughts On July 18 2015 10:05 Fecalfeast wrote: Well then why are you surprised and intrigued that nobody cares what you think of onegu? Like i am amazed THIS is "Damdred begging FF to interact". Like if anything like that it is the other way around lol. | ||
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If they were both mafia he sure would have something else to talk about. If he was mafia and geript was town well... he sure would have something else to talk about. Attacking geript is like really dumb at this point, over basically nothing. | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:50 VayneAuthority wrote: yamato im undecided, geript probably town, rels leaning mafia. thats probably a good start wait wtf? elaborate on geript and rels please? | ||
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I heavily disagree with your Rels read. The sole fact that he went back and read the thread again and asked me about my yamato read points heavily towards him being town. It's like he reconsiders things, re-reads, and is interested in people's opinions. I don't think "not having a single solid read" at this point of the game is a valid thing for a scumread. | ||
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Kelsier for some reason doesn't give a fuck. | ||
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How do you go from this.... On July 19 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh I can see it that way. I don't have a read either way but leaning scum now. ...to this: On July 19 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh I can see it that way. I don't have a read either way but leaning scum now. ??? | ||
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EBWOP: Kelsier: How do you go from this.... ...to this: On July 19 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh I can see it that way. I don't have a read either way but leaning scum now. ??? | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:20 Damdred wrote: This will be an annoying game because rayn is bad. Anyway I did say most of it before you gave your initial town read on me. And how you can have a strong town read on ff no clue shrug, his town games better then this to an extreme. Idk what the point is trying to crucify me over an early lean but its whatever I don't really care You said yes now that i reread. I don't usually read irrelevant comments like that, because they are irrelevant. It just goes unnoticed for me. I have a town read on FF because of the conversation he had with you as he is questioning you over something i found really dumb from you (the Onegu thing). Apparently you somehow interpret that one totally differently. | ||
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I am aware of the fact this does not make you 100% mafia. Talk about something else. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote: ...because I read VA's post ehhh.... Did you read my post? | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:26 Damdred wrote: So I still don't get how he gets town points for me initiating him asking about it You AFAIK said something dumb ("Onegu is interesting") when there was no reason to say so other than reactionwise (unless i am misreading something?). FF's reaction is "why do you think that?" You say "too late bye" FF says "then why do you complain about it in the first place?" In my opinion FF is acting reasonably, you are not. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:31 KelsierSC wrote: I think the problem is you are treating it like Damdred has given a big case on FF and is calling him scum trying to get him lynched. Whereas Damdred has a scum lean and gave his reasons for it. So asking him to "find proof in the thread" etc. is unreasonable rofl. just look at what you are posting?!?! | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:31 Damdred wrote: That's not what happened at all I put that out there FF asks me something in the post I go well I'm more interested in why neither of you ask me about oneg now (towards kel and ff) ff goes -sigh- why is oneg interesting then I go byeee well either way the follow up post from FF is why i think he is town. Because he basically points out your "bullshit". | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote: like you are missing this when ff asks me what's up with the commas but totally misses the other tgings I don't know how you make this sound like FF does something wrong here. I often leave questions i think are stupid or irrelevant unaswered (or unquestioned), because it just takes space from important things in the thread. I can totally see FF doing that. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:34 KelsierSC wrote: you posted this which is you asking to damdred to "support a case" when in fact Damdred is given a scum lean. your response is disproportionate. If you think someone might be mafia you have something to support your read. These reads comes from what people post in the thread, NOWHERE else. Like what the fucking fuck, i am soon getting angry here. Because you are being really obtuse and saying something that makes zero fucking sense. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:37 Damdred wrote: What was important again in the thread? Ff thinks its important enough to ask why I had so many commas but not why oneg is interesting to me? tbh almost nothing was important at that time. | ||
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Why can't i make the same read Damdred did? Smells like bullshit. Also you have unanswered questions in thread. | ||
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On July 19 2015 03:39 yamato77 wrote: He didn't specifically say that. I think his issue with you is more that he just doesn't see as much of the explanatory stuff coming from you, when you make the initial read at least. if that is the case he isn't reading the thread properly since i have explained every single read of mine. | ||
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On July 19 2015 03:48 plotspot wrote: yamato has made 3 posts before you said "nvm yamato is town". Damdred only said "Kinda think Yamato feels town". In my opinion there is a difference in certainty the way both of you expressed it. It's just that that I think is strange. You might have advanced meta and be able to pinpoint yamato as town immediately after only 3 posts, that could be. I'll answer your earlier questions later. If you don't know why someone does something you do not form a read based on it. Why are you doing so? Or what is that even doing in your post when you don't know what it means? | ||
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On July 19 2015 03:58 geript wrote: Kelsier confirmed taking all of my arguments and twisting them. idk his argument looks pretty solid to me. so you would probably want to elaborate, and be precise which you have lacked so far. Also you need to tell me how on earth a townie comes to conclusion "one of JohnnyLaw/rayn is mafia" based on what has happened in the game. | ||
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On July 19 2015 04:03 geript wrote: 1. Because your townread on him is complete shit. 2. There's a good reason think each one of you is mafia. 3. How you've addressed him is exceptionally unlikely to make it that you two are aligned. no, this read is shit. like is your read on yamato and kelsier. | ||
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So please, unless you want to just throw shit out here rephrase your argument and an answer to Kelsier's case and ACTUALLY show why he is wrong and you are not. | ||
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On July 19 2015 04:31 Onegu wrote: Like how the hell is FF a top town read of yours rayn? He is not. My top town reads are Rels, Kelsier and yamato. | ||
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Kelsier and yamato got townier than before. | ||
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On July 19 2015 04:29 Damdred wrote: This is a bit hard to quantify but I'll try. One thing I've noticed about geript as scum os his ability to make posts early that are extremely sensible but have the ability to try to get people on his side. One thing to look at is assassination mafia while its not a perfect example his explanation and posting made it extremely easy for GB and myself to like him to a degree. Kel caught him for an odd follow up explanation there, in art big game he had some of the same thing going on and rayn caught him for a somewhat changing story. In his town games he doesn't care who comes against him as he will just take the lynch and uell at people later. I just think this looks more like his town game calls out whatever he wants without trying to get on peoples good side. Even if what he's saying doesn't make 100% sense to everyone it seems to be what he thinks and I kinda think it makes him town. To answer you, i don't think you are correct here. Especially the underlined part. How can you come to a conclusion geript is town when you yourself say he has been caught in inconsistancies? Also you are not proposing an alternative lynch. Which i would expect you to do if you don't truly like the lynch. Because why wouldn't you? | ||
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Damdred is and yuo should all sheep me. | ||
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He thinks geript is town but has no incentive to save geript. He doesn't even comment on geript's scumreads (one of me/JonnyLaw being scum). Trust me on this the dude is scum. | ||
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On July 20 2015 01:24 Rels wrote: He is the guy that explained your weird read of yamato when you couldn't. So now it's your turn to explain things. No, he is smart. He picked up on what i was saying and put it into words. I was literally saying that before him. Just because he knows me and you do not does not make him town. Everyone who knows me knows what i was talking about. | ||
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if i am wrong you can lynch me on D2. promise. | ||
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On July 20 2015 01:27 Rels wrote: Only thing scummy IMO is this: He thinks geript is town but has no incentive to save geript. But if true if would be a big scumtell. Can you quote where he does this ? go read the last couple of pages. it is all there, when geript started posting. | ||
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so he has to be town and mafia doesn't give a fuck who (geript at the time) we are lynching. | ||
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On July 20 2015 01:31 Damdred wrote: I honestly don't understand the explanation when other people are in thread I'm pushing a lynch Johnny or ff train of,thought idk you arent pushing anything. | ||
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On July 20 2015 01:39 geript wrote: Rayn. Damdy is not mafia. And only an idiot wouldn't listen to my read on him. well you are going to be wrong here. | ||
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On July 20 2015 01:41 Rels wrote: Read the posts after geript came back. I don't know you saw either of these two things: 1 - Damdred thinks geript is town 2 - Damdred does not consider lynching someone else So rayn, quote them posts 'cause I didn't find them. i won't. can you quote a single post where damdred pushes any other lynch? | ||
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On July 19 2015 04:29 Damdred wrote: This is a bit hard to quantify but I'll try. One thing I've noticed about geript as scum os his ability to make posts early that are extremely sensible but have the ability to try to get people on his side. One thing to look at is assassination mafia while its not a perfect example his explanation and posting made it extremely easy for GB and myself to like him to a degree. Kel caught him for an odd follow up explanation there, in art big game he had some of the same thing going on and rayn caught him for a somewhat changing story. In his town games he doesn't care who comes against him as he will just take the lynch and uell at people later. I just think this looks more like his town game calls out whatever he wants without trying to get on peoples good side. Even if what he's saying doesn't make 100% sense to everyone it seems to be what he thinks and I kinda think it makes him town. here he thinks geript is town. now find me a post where he pushes a lynch. because it never happens i can't do it. | ||
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On July 20 2015 01:45 Rels wrote: Sure. First post after geript came back. this is not a push of getting someone lynched. | ||
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On July 20 2015 01:46 Damdred wrote: Thinks,I'm a great town read early after I give reasons for ff scum lean. quotes please. | ||
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On July 20 2015 01:48 geript wrote: Rayn. Town thought process. Like. I know how to read damdred. LIke the past 4 games once I've made up my mind I've been right and haven't changed it. And in at least 3 of those game I made up my mind 1 post in from him. well then you should lynch me. | ||
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I have seen enough and it doesn't look good. | ||
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His vote on me is bad. That's all he has really done. He hasn't done anything else. | ||
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On July 20 2015 01:51 Damdred wrote: I'd vote Johnny or rayn today. But i thought you think FF is scum which would make perfect sense if i am scum (as you are voting for me). So, a leap of logic again. | ||
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So am i bad or scum? Because you are saying both here. | ||
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On July 19 2015 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred can you elaborate on your FF read? Am i missing something? He is my strongest townread after Rels. On July 19 2015 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: this is in fact a really terrible read Damdred. | ||
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On July 20 2015 02:00 geript wrote: Like rayn. Pretend that this was the exact conversation. Explain to me how Kelsier can make the argument he makes as town. i won't, because that's not the actual conversation. | ||
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I am bad. Lynch yamato he is mafia. His reaction to the lynch is scum. Milo or Onegu is the last mafia. | ||
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Everyone in JL wagon most likely town. | ||
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There is no way anyone else on JL is mafia. It's okay dadred. You are allowed to be wrong on me. I was wrong on you anyways. Not sure about Onegu though. He should not be allowed to be wrong on me whatever i post. I suggest vig me or onegu. If you want to hit scum, go for onegu. Either way, if i die he has to be talking about something that is not me and you will be able to read him more accurately. Like there is about 10% chance he is actually town, but i find that highly unlike. | ||
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You just have to look for what i did and what JL did. | ||
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You seem to be having none. | ||
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On July 20 2015 19:43 Fecalfeast wrote: the way he stated that, saying that you called that the geript lynch was 'too ez to be true' implies that he knows geript's alignment Well of course geript is town. So is Rels. He literally made the JL lynch happen. Cant you see that? | ||
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I cant understand how a townie would accuse the most townie player in the game over something this stupid. | ||
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If my thought process on geript was good why did you continue pushing him? | ||
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On July 20 2015 22:01 KelsierSC wrote: Because I just went back and read through. The first time I saw it I still thought geript was mafia so I kept pushing him. So what has changed? Just because i was right and geript is most likely town does not mean i am town for it. | ||
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Then your vote enss up on.... FecalFeast?!?! | ||
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which one of Onegu, yamato & FF is town? | ||
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Onegu doesn't talk about anything related to anything whenever he posts. yamato's response to a scumflip makes no sense from town perspective. | ||
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I still want you to elaborate on this. This is literally what happened timewise: rayn: yamato is town people: why? rayn: because of this... damdred: [gives same explanation i did] rayn: yeah damdred put that better plotspot: Damdred is town for explaining his town read on yamato, rayn is null because he has an unexplained townread on yamato rayn: what? that is not true. i literally gave the same reasoning for yamato to be most likely town BEFORE damdred did it plotspot: yamato has made 3 posts before you said "nvm yamato is town". Damdred only said "Kinda think Yamato feels town". In my opinion there is a difference in certainty the way both of you expressed it. rayn: no we literally said the same thing. me saying "town" instead of "maybe town" (which btw i actually did say if you read anything closely) doesn't mean anything plotspot: Wait, I didn't form a read about you based on not knowing where you got your hard townread on yamato so fast. I was wondering how you can townread someone so fast. You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it? So now it is not about my read? It's about me townreading someone so fast. Why can't i townread someone so fast? Why can Damdred? And why is it townie for him and not for me? Again, we had LITERALLY the same exact reasoning for the read, not to mention i gave my reasoning first, so it's again impossible for you to consider i made up my reasoning from town!Damdred's. | ||
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On July 21 2015 00:58 Damdred wrote: I kinda would rather shoot onegu maybe tonight. i'll have some more in depth thoughts shortly, but I kinda feel that rayn is town here again. well you called me town,scum,town,scum,town for my read on you. Then you called me scum again. Now you call me town again. And your reasoning for scumreading is that "rayn changes his read on me based on same things". hypocrite I am being honest if you didn't help lynching JL that much i would be all over you. But you are most likely town. Just please do not use the same reasoning you do yourself to scumread people. It's really bad. | ||
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On July 18 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h. In between here Damdred elaborates on his read on yamato. On July 19 2015 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well yeah, Damdred put that yamato read well. Yamato will explain what he is thinking eventually. At the moment i don't care what his thought process is but i can see there being one. That is how i literally read yamato early on in the game. I am not claiming i am 100% accurate on that this early on, but i am really confident i will get his alignment right when he starts posting more and making bigger posts that actually show his thought process. And yes, so far he seems town for his posts. There is no bullshit like in scumato posts there pretty much always is more or If someone who claims they have read the thread makes a post like this: You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it? ... my gut says they are either lying or not reading properly. So which is it plotspot, and why? | ||
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If i was around yesterday (FYI i never intentionally afk as mafia - truth is i was sick, probably because of hangover) i would have 100% voted for JL as he either lied about my presence in the game or didn't read the thread at all. He literally called me "inactive" when i had the most posts in the game. So yeah. | ||
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On July 21 2015 01:11 plotspot wrote: yea wait give me some time, I was searching for that part, there were two phases where you guys town read yamato. It could be that we talk about the wrong part. Interesting. Go ahead please. | ||
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Obviously it applies to my recently quoted posts because those posts happened before you made your post. | ||
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Did you just read Damdred's explanation and not mine? Or what? | ||
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However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me. Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not? | ||
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On July 21 2015 02:56 KelsierSC wrote: i think he explained this already. The time he didn't read you town for it was because you hadn't given the explanation that Damdred had. It is impossible because: (1) He posted AFTER i had given my reasoning (2) I gave my reasoning BEFORE Damdred | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:02 KelsierSC wrote: you didn't give a reason for yamato being town after yamato's initial 3 posts that is what he is talking about I understand. What i don't understand is Damdred did the EXACT same thing i did. Why does he come to a totally different conclusion regarding us two? Just because i say "toen and Damdred says "maybe town". Given the explanations we gave, especailly when i say "i am not 100% sure of this but.." it should be clear to anyone with any brain that is just how i word things - and that me and Damdred mean the exact same thing. | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:12 KelsierSC wrote: I think what he is getting at is your explanation of the read , specifically this post comes at a point where yamato hasn't made that many posts and plot can't see this "thought process idea". whereas damdred just said, "yeh maybe he's town with no explanation. when damdred gave the longer explanation for why yamato is town it made more sense given that yamato had posted more. Basically you explained your read too early is the overall idea i guess. The problem still stands. Damdred says he has a townread on yamato at the same time i do (only 3-4 posts in). I explain my read. yamato posts more. Damdred gives his explanation after yamato posts more (but talks about only of those 3-4 first posts). I give more of an explanation which is the same as Damdred's (as it was at first aswell). plotspot agrees with Damdred's explanation but somehow mine isn't good (while he is even townreading yamato aswell). | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:16 KelsierSC wrote: Basically rayn I can actually see where plotspot is coming from with his points. I'm looking through his stuff and his responses to me, given how eager he is to explain his thought process and interact here I don't want to lynch him tomorrow I also do not agree at all with his play though. Like he literally wasted 48 first hours of the game into having no conclusions on the four people (me,you,damd,geript). | ||
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He can't make up his mind if one of us is mafia. I apparently hadn't answered him properly. He NEVER re-questions me about my yamato read while i am one of the people he considers possible mafia. He just sits with his "idk reads" for the whole day not wanting to figure out anything. | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:23 KelsierSC wrote: When damdred posted this, that doesn't mean he is just talking about the first 2 posts. I can see where plotspot is coming from, because you explained the read early it came to his attention. I think that is reasonable. What's more important is his tone here, his willingness to explain and interact. He feels much townier to me than he did. Like the bolded part is LITERALLY yamato's opening post!! Why would you ever think Damdred's read on yamato comes from different posts than mine does, as he LITERALLY uses yamato's opening post as evidence - backed up by the fact Damdred says "yamato might be town" after only three posts of his. Like there is no reason to ever assume my read comes from different posts than Damdred*s. | ||
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He has defended himself against me, and i find his defense unreasonable, because it oly shows he is either not reading properly or not processing what he reads at all. Then he has defended himself against why didn't he vote for JL. First of all his vote on FF is a complete throwaway. Second of all, as per his N1 posts he thought there is at least a chance geript is mafia, and he thought JL is not. The thing that a townie would do in that spot is to vote for geript. Like: On July 20 2015 07:27 plotspot wrote: I sorta had my doubts about geript, because he is so aggressive (I mean I don't know him, if you guys have better meta and read him better then that's cool), but then to the very end I tried to figure out who could be more scum: him or Kelsier and I couldn't decide because their whole argument hinged on misunderstandings from somewhere halfway in. this sorta thing is basically just really stupid. kelsier is never getting lynched. he thinks one of them might be scum. both of them are on the JL wagon. JL is his townread. For him it apparently doesn't mean anything? He jsut... Doesn't do anything. I can't understand how there is anything logical in that. Given that in his earlier games, while not having many reads, he at least TRIES to vote and lynch people he think are mafia. And no, i don't consider a throwaway vote 30min before EOD a "vote to lynch someone". I consider it a complete throwaway vote. | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:44 geript wrote: Rayn. Using that logic plots has every reasonable excuse to vote for me. Yet doesn't. He also has every reason (as town) to vote for you. Which would be logical. Yet he doesn't do that. Usually when someone does something that cannot be explained in any way it means they are mafia. Because we don't have all the information, they do. It can be based on something i don't know. Or something he thinks. idk. What i do know is that he isn't acting what is supposed to be logical to him as town at all. | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:50 geript wrote: The point I'm making is that his action was illogical as any alignment. So I don't think that makes him anything other than illogical. Not necessarily. JL is his townread. It is possible he thinks he gets called out for voting for him if he does that. In case he votes for you he probably gets called out even more (assuming he is mafia here) because he voted with flipped scum. Who knows. | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote: I would like to suggest that ff is a great shot tonight or a decent lynch. JL town read on him is still bothering me and it feels like a read you give to a mafia team mate over a town member. Plus he was sorta buddying towards geript about a Yamato lynch, jumped on jl at a good time I admit but I think we were pushing that through anyway, even though he promises work he gives nothing back. I'm pretty sure he's the best vig shot tonight I don't understand FF's attack on Rels on N1. Now he claims it is not an attack. But then, wtf is it? Like what is the reason to question a perfectly valid statement if it not an attack? | ||
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Based on the votes and the timing geript would be more likely to be mafia. At the time FF jumped on JL geript was still pursuing other lynches. There is a really good reason for FF to in fact go with geript against the world because if geript gets support it's more likely he will yell his lynch through over you & Rels. | ||
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On July 21 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote: Geript was starting to get support for a Yamato lynch actually kel was going for him to. And I believe I started pushing them back, simple truth I don't think geript could of convinced the people who were active to go I guess? I strongly believe you cannot outargue geript with Rels in case geript gets steam behind. That's also why i believe geript is town, because he didn't do it. If i was mafia in FF's situation i would try to make geript lynch a townie, not vote for JL instead (before geript). | ||
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I believe he would have had geript lynch yamato instead of JL vote (yamato was his scumread aswell). | ||
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Probably because he is mafia. Which is supported with his scummier than scum comment at the start of N1. yamato still best lynch D2. | ||
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There is at max 1 mafia there and i am pretty convinced there is none. Anyways far easier to find mafia elsewhere. Everyone on JL had at least semi-good reasons for their voting/timing whatever. Noone can argue anyone from the off-train looks better than anyone on JL (yes that's including me). | ||
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I am back to thinking yamato/Onegu for scum. | ||
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There is basically no way either of yamato/onegu is scum. Go read damdred's post. | ||
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geript that is just stupid. | ||
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He still needs to play and he is not clear, but definitely not the lynch today because of plotspot's non-reaction to.... everything. | ||
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Doesn't make much sense to me. | ||
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On July 21 2015 06:05 plotspot wrote: And you know what? I think you, rayn, have so much experience with this game, you totally think in a different sphere of how to approach this game. Me, I just follow my instinct sort of. Lol 1st game I was lynched d1, 2nd game I was called stupid town RB and am the reason why sicklucker has to sitout 3 games (at least I feel responsible about it for a part), 3rd game lol I got lynched for yolo play. I don't make a lot of sense. I know from my head that I should push more, ask more questions, but I don't know how to do that. I'm not good at it. I'm dying to explain to you why I can't be scum playing like this, and ok that I'm bad at this game, but I can't at the moment. Just remember this. The problem is the following: You do not basically do anything. I read the game where you were the roleblocker and while you were acting quite weird in terms of what you did, you ACTUALLY DID THINGS. You put way much effort to the game in comparison to what you are doing here. - whatever you say i do not think your D1 vote was reasonable in regards your 4 man circle and JL townread. - in fact the four man circle is quite nonsense because you never come into any conclusion. Assuming we four are most likely all town it makes it even more scummy. It looks like you want to look like you are doing something while you actually arent. - you gave two different explanations for your claim at the start. You literally did. - you fail to comment on important things in the thread. See: red check claimed on onegu. That doesn't make any sense given at that time that was the ONLY thing you should talk about, unless you somehow know Onegu is not mafia and again, you don't want to make enemies by calling townies scum. So yeah. That's why i think you are scum. It is possible you just somehow read ly/damdred's posts differently, and i don't know if that is enough to think you are mafia (based on that), but again; that stuff didn't lead you anywhere. Basically imo that covers everything you have done in this game. You are the only person in the who has NONE actions i consider coming over 50% from a townie. In fact i cannot understand 90% of the things you do from town perspective at all. You just do random stuff that doesn't lead anywhere. And that's not what you did in the game i read. You had a big fucking graph of things and you actually tried to conclude something from people's actions. | ||
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If you are not mafia then who is and why? | ||
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Onegu confirmed cannot read me anymore. Sorry for my bad D1 play. | ||
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On July 20 2015 10:01 yamato77 wrote: You are all retarded Don't pat yourselves on the back just because you lynched a mafia today yamato i am interested in why would you ever say something like this as town? I have never seen anyone do this kinda stuff because it literally makes no sense at all. Well okay i once saw Oats do this but hey he is Oats.. | ||
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On July 22 2015 01:40 yamato77 wrote: because you're all calling me mafia for not voting him when he made 4 posts idiots I was never calling you mafia until you made that garbage post. and i wouldn't. | ||
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