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plotspot:
I still want you to elaborate on this.
This is literally what happened timewise:
rayn: yamato is town
people: why?
rayn: because of this...
damdred: [gives same explanation i did]
rayn: yeah damdred put that better
plotspot: Damdred is town for explaining his town read on yamato, rayn is null because he has an unexplained townread on yamato
rayn: what? that is not true. i literally gave the same reasoning for yamato to be most likely town BEFORE damdred did it
plotspot: yamato has made 3 posts before you said "nvm yamato is town". Damdred only said "Kinda think Yamato feels town". In my opinion there is a difference in certainty the way both of you expressed it.
rayn: no we literally said the same thing. me saying "town" instead of "maybe town" (which btw i actually did say if you read anything closely) doesn't mean anything
plotspot: Wait, I didn't form a read about you based on not knowing where you got your hard townread on yamato so fast. I was wondering how you can townread someone so fast. You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it?
So now it is not about my read? It's about me townreading someone so fast.
Why can't i townread someone so fast? Why can Damdred? And why is it townie for him and not for me?
Again, we had LITERALLY the same exact reasoning for the read, not to mention i gave my reasoning first, so it's again impossible for you to consider i made up my reasoning from town!Damdred's.
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On July 21 2015 00:58 Damdred wrote:
I kinda would rather shoot onegu maybe tonight.
i'll have some more in depth thoughts shortly, but I kinda feel that rayn is town here again.
well you called me town,scum,town,scum,town for my read on you.
Then you called me scum again. Now you call me town again.
And your reasoning for scumreading is that "rayn changes his read on me based on same things".
hypocrite 
I am being honest if you didn't help lynching JL that much i would be all over you. But you are most likely town. Just please do not use the same reasoning you do yourself to scumread people. It's really bad.
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Like this is what i have said about my yamato read on D1:
On July 18 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h.
In between here Damdred elaborates on his read on yamato.
On July 19 2015 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well yeah, Damdred put that yamato read well.
Yamato will explain what he is thinking eventually. At the moment i don't care what his thought process is but i can see there being one. That is how i literally read yamato early on in the game. I am not claiming i am 100% accurate on that this early on, but i am really confident i will get his alignment right when he starts posting more and making bigger posts that actually show his thought process.
And yes, so far he seems town for his posts. There is no bullshit like in scumato posts there pretty much always is more or less even more.
If someone who claims they have read the thread makes a post like this:
You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it?
... my gut says they are either lying or not reading properly.
So which is it plotspot, and why?
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Well it's not important since neither of us is mafia.
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I genuinely believed JL was town.
If i was around yesterday (FYI i never intentionally afk as mafia - truth is i was sick, probably because of hangover) i would have 100% voted for JL as he either lied about my presence in the game or didn't read the thread at all.
He literally called me "inactive" when i had the most posts in the game. So yeah.
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On July 21 2015 01:11 plotspot wrote:
yea wait give me some time, I was searching for that part, there were two phases where you guys town read yamato. It could be that we talk about the wrong part.
Interesting. Go ahead please.
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Wrong.
Obviously it applies to my recently quoted posts because those posts happened before you made your post.
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Like do you just selectively read some posts and not all of them?
Did you just read Damdred's explanation and not mine? Or what?
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My reasoning is obviously based on the first three posts.
However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me.
Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not?
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On July 21 2015 02:56 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My reasoning is obviously based on the first three posts.
However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me.
Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not? i think he explained this already. The time he didn't read you town for it was because you hadn't given the explanation that Damdred had.
It is impossible because:
(1) He posted AFTER i had given my reasoning
(2) I gave my reasoning BEFORE Damdred
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On July 21 2015 03:02 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 21 2015 02:56 KelsierSC wrote:On July 21 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My reasoning is obviously based on the first three posts.
However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me.
Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not? i think he explained this already. The time he didn't read you town for it was because you hadn't given the explanation that Damdred had. It is impossible because: (1) He posted AFTER i had given my reasoning (2) I gave my reasoning BEFORE Damdred you didn't give a reason for yamato being town after yamato's initial 3 posts that is what he is talking about
I understand.
What i don't understand is Damdred did the EXACT same thing i did.
Why does he come to a totally different conclusion regarding us two? Just because i say "toen and Damdred says "maybe town". Given the explanations we gave, especailly when i say "i am not 100% sure of this but.." it should be clear to anyone with any brain that is just how i word things - and that me and Damdred mean the exact same thing.
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And Damdred LITERALLY talks about the first posts from yamato (he says things about the policy lynch and stuff) in his explanation, so it is impossible he thinks me and Damdred are talking about different posts.
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On July 21 2015 03:12 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 21 2015 03:02 KelsierSC wrote:On July 21 2015 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 21 2015 02:56 KelsierSC wrote:On July 21 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My reasoning is obviously based on the first three posts.
However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me.
Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not? i think he explained this already. The time he didn't read you town for it was because you hadn't given the explanation that Damdred had. It is impossible because: (1) He posted AFTER i had given my reasoning (2) I gave my reasoning BEFORE Damdred you didn't give a reason for yamato being town after yamato's initial 3 posts that is what he is talking about I understand. What i don't understand is Damdred did the EXACT same thing i did. Why does he come to a totally different conclusion regarding us two? Just because i say "toen and Damdred says "maybe town". Given the explanations we gave, especailly when i say "i am not 100% sure of this but.." it should be clear to anyone with any brain that is just how i word things - and that me and Damdred mean the exact same thing. I think what he is getting at is your explanation of the read , specifically this post Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think onegu has posted much alignment indicative thngs so far.
Maaaaaayyyyybe he is town as he seems to be interested in my read on him.
Idk yet. He uses alot of AtE as scum. We'll see.
Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h. comes at a point where yamato hasn't made that many posts and plot can't see this "thought process idea". whereas damdred just said, "yeh maybe he's town with no explanation. when damdred gave the longer explanation for why yamato is town it made more sense given that yamato had posted more. Basically you explained your read too early is the overall idea i guess.
The problem still stands.
Damdred says he has a townread on yamato at the same time i do (only 3-4 posts in).
I explain my read.
yamato posts more.
Damdred gives his explanation after yamato posts more (but talks about only of those 3-4 first posts).
I give more of an explanation which is the same as Damdred's (as it was at first aswell).
plotspot agrees with Damdred's explanation but somehow mine isn't good (while he is even townreading yamato aswell).
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On July 21 2015 03:16 KelsierSC wrote:
Basically rayn I can actually see where plotspot is coming from with his points.
I'm looking through his stuff and his responses to me, given how eager he is to explain his thought process and interact here I don't want to lynch him tomorrow
I also do not agree at all with his play though.
Like he literally wasted 48 first hours of the game into having no conclusions on the four people (me,you,damd,geript).
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It also makes pretty much no sense to me he is interested in me amongst other three people.
He can't make up his mind if one of us is mafia. I apparently hadn't answered him properly. He NEVER re-questions me about my yamato read while i am one of the people he considers possible mafia. He just sits with his "idk reads" for the whole day not wanting to figure out anything.
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On July 21 2015 03:23 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote:
Rayn and I use the same metric for reading Yamato, and a lot of it comes from experience in playing with him
For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town.
When damdred posted this, that doesn't mean he is just talking about the first 2 posts. I can see where plotspot is coming from, because you explained the read early it came to his attention. I think that is reasonable. What's more important is his tone here, his willingness to explain and interact. He feels much townier to me than he did.
Like the bolded part is LITERALLY yamato's opening post!!
Why would you ever think Damdred's read on yamato comes from different posts than mine does, as he LITERALLY uses yamato's opening post as evidence - backed up by the fact Damdred says "yamato might be town" after only three posts of his.
Like there is no reason to ever assume my read comes from different posts than Damdred*s.
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I don't know how are they good.
He has defended himself against me, and i find his defense unreasonable, because it oly shows he is either not reading properly or not processing what he reads at all.
Then he has defended himself against why didn't he vote for JL. First of all his vote on FF is a complete throwaway. Second of all, as per his N1 posts he thought there is at least a chance geript is mafia, and he thought JL is not. The thing that a townie would do in that spot is to vote for geript. Like:
On July 20 2015 07:27 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 07:18 Damdred wrote:
It is ok, the vindictiveness isn't that huge a deal. The killer was that Geript vote (which sorta confirms geript), his weird unexplained reads and screwing off when he was unable to,be here.
I think we have one,mafia on wagon and one off though.
Gut feeling it's ff and rayn. I sorta had my doubts about geript, because he is so aggressive (I mean I don't know him, if you guys have better meta and read him better then that's cool), but then to the very end I tried to figure out who could be more scum: him or Kelsier and I couldn't decide because their whole argument hinged on misunderstandings from somewhere halfway in.
this sorta thing is basically just really stupid. kelsier is never getting lynched. he thinks one of them might be scum.
both of them are on the JL wagon. JL is his townread. For him it apparently doesn't mean anything? He jsut... Doesn't do anything.
I can't understand how there is anything logical in that. Given that in his earlier games, while not having many reads, he at least TRIES to vote and lynch people he think are mafia.
And no, i don't consider a throwaway vote 30min before EOD a "vote to lynch someone". I consider it a complete throwaway vote.
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On July 21 2015 03:44 geript wrote:
Rayn. Using that logic plots has every reasonable excuse to vote for me. Yet doesn't.
He also has every reason (as town) to vote for you. Which would be logical. Yet he doesn't do that.
Usually when someone does something that cannot be explained in any way it means they are mafia.
Because we don't have all the information, they do. It can be based on something i don't know. Or something he thinks. idk.
What i do know is that he isn't acting what is supposed to be logical to him as town at all.
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On July 21 2015 03:50 geript wrote:
The point I'm making is that his action was illogical as any alignment. So I don't think that makes him anything other than illogical.
Not necessarily. JL is his townread. It is possible he thinks he gets called out for voting for him if he does that. In case he votes for you he probably gets called out even more (assuming he is mafia here) because he voted with flipped scum. Who knows.
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On July 21 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I would like to suggest that ff is a great shot tonight or a decent lynch.
JL town read on him is still bothering me and it feels like a read you give to a mafia team mate over a town member. Plus he was sorta buddying towards geript about a Yamato lynch, jumped on jl at a good time I admit but I think we were pushing that through anyway, even though he promises work he gives nothing back.
I'm pretty sure he's the best vig shot tonight
I don't understand FF's attack on Rels on N1.
Now he claims it is not an attack.
But then, wtf is it? Like what is the reason to question a perfectly valid statement if it not an attack?
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