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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 19 2015 22:35 GMT
#605
On July 20 2015 02:22 yamato77 wrote:
Geript is not town.

Rayn ands damdred both probably are

Johnny lynch is a complete crapshoot.


I'd lynch yamato tomorrow over onegu ,

like I said it felt like he was pocketing me , felt dirty.

plus this doesn't look great
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 19 2015 23:37 GMT
#609
On July 20 2015 08:11 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2015 07:31 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 20 2015 07:26 geript wrote:
If there's mafia on the wagon, then I think it's more likely to be Rels, Vayne or Kelsier. But I kinda think the people on the wagon are far more likely to be town. Except maybe Kelsier. His vote was pretty superfluous and his read on me was literally insane.



I don't want to argue with you about the read on you being "insane", you will just say mean things about me again. That was my interpretation of events and why I read you as scum.

I was already suspicious of johnny and when he didn't come back to answer I voted him.


Why is why I've noted that I can see how you could be town just reading something wrong. I doubt it but it's possible.


ok just to clarify

how i saw things

geript "yamato is short/asshole when he is town"
kelsier "yamato posted short/asshole posts , and you called him mafia then, this makes no sense"


what actually happened

geript "yamato makes short/asshole as town, (i expect to see more of those short/asshole posts)"

if you just explained the green earlier we were cool.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 00:59 GMT
#613
On July 20 2015 09:47 geript wrote:
Random thought. Let's lynch Yam.


i agree
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 11:28 GMT
#650
I'm here, catching up and diving
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 11:47 GMT
#652
Looking outside the wagon. you have

rayn,onegu,yamato,plotspot,milo

So in order of most town to scum

I think of that group rayn has been the towniest, he may have been wrong a few times. (johnny,damdred,geript) but I think his thought process about the geript lynch was good and his read on damdred seemed like he believed it. Plus he claimed "lynch damdred if he is town lynch me d2" which feels very committal.

Onegu - I have no idea what is happening , totally bizarre day.

Plotspot, he's played weird. his early d1 seemed very strange, then his list post

On July 19 2015 03:28 plotspot wrote:
Thess are my rough reads so far.

Damdred: general sense making which is NAI, but does seem very involving and effortful, hence town lean

Fecalfeast: not sure if “angry” is the right word but IMO he overreacts with the “I concede”, voting himself, talking to yamato about bussing, it’s all NAI.

KSC: claiming VT, kinda aggressive towards me, is he town for doing this? Could he be mafia setting up an agenda?

Onegu: pff, town? He’s quite carefree in his posts, I’d read him town.

Yamato: suggesting a policy lynch, yamato not explaining a lot of things in the beginning, the interaction with Rels later kinda gives him his first townpoints in my eyes,

Show nested quote +
On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote:
For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town.

This kinda explains pretty well why I’d think yamato is town.

JonnyLaw: ? too few posts, the tone looks towny though I don’t have any meta

Geript: geript has a pregame excuse of being rather inactive, too few posts, I can’t read anything from him yet, though it is of course strange how he doesn’t explain why he wants to lynch Onegu, yamato or Kelsier

Raynpelikoneet (mispelled filter name): I’d say town, but he draws so much ogi and meta, also some of his reads are quite mind-boggling to me:
Like:
1. yamato is town after 3-4 posts of his
2. Vayne being town after 2 posts
3. jonnylaw 4-5 posts into town
The thing is I kinda agree and have town vibes about them, but I don’t say “townpile” or “is town”, but that may just be the way he expresses himself.

Rels: I’d tend to agree with VA, but Rels is like this, asking many questions, often citing unanswered questions from somebody else and asking them to be answered, it’s NAI imo. Not sure about Rels, could have been voting me to get info.

VayneAuthority: late, but imo good entrance, he does provide reasons for his reads when prompted, townlean

I have to eat dinner now. If you want my opinion on particular topics, I'll try to give my opinions later.


he sort of slips johnny as town for no reason.
@plotspot I want to know how your yamato read developed.

@Rayn you brought up about how his EOD made no sense from a mafia perspective. Can you explain this to me.


Milo - AFK

Yamato - Again I have my own personal feeling that he was pocketing me, his reaction to having a mafia lynched was totally out of proportion.

He was against a johnny lynch

On July 20 2015 02:22 yamato77 wrote:
Geript is not town.

Rayn ands damdred both probably are

Johnny lynch is a complete crapshoot.


He then came back with this.

On July 20 2015 10:01 yamato77 wrote:
You are all retarded

Don't pat yourselves on the back just because you lynched a mafia today


this isn't how town should feel. Plus that d1 lynch was actually very good, VA and rels made good cases and he didn't come back for the defence. So calling people who voted him retarded just isn't a good assesment.

Milo - AFK probably mafia.

I'd lynch Yamato or Plotspot tomorrow. Milo probably gets modkilled.




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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 12:15 GMT
#654
On July 20 2015 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no way plotspot as mafia is going to save JL at that point. He would have bussed for cred if he was mafia most likely.


well he'd already called johnny town so it looks bad if he just decides to jump on the wagon at the end
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 13:01 GMT
#656
On July 20 2015 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier:
If my thought process on geript was good why did you continue pushing him?


Because I just went back and read through. The first time I saw it I still thought geript was mafia so I kept pushing him.

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 14:01 GMT
#658
On July 20 2015 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2015 22:01 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 20 2015 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kelsier:
If my thought process on geript was good why did you continue pushing him?


Because I just went back and read through. The first time I saw it I still thought geript was mafia so I kept pushing him.


So what has changed?
Just because i was right and geript is most likely town does not mean i am town for it.


Well I don't think geript is mafia anymore so I could go back and look at things with a different perspective.
I looked over the people who didn't vote on Johnny.

I had you as town from D1 anyway and I saw that post about geript being town because mafia just wasn't giving a fuck about saving him. That seemed to come from a town perspective.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 17:56 GMT
#683
On July 21 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My reasoning is obviously based on the first three posts.

However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me.
Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not?


i think he explained this already.

The time he didn't read you town for it was because you hadn't given the explanation that Damdred had.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 18:02 GMT
#685
On July 21 2015 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 02:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 21 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My reasoning is obviously based on the first three posts.

However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me.
Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not?


i think he explained this already.

The time he didn't read you town for it was because you hadn't given the explanation that Damdred had.

It is impossible because:
(1) He posted AFTER i had given my reasoning
(2) I gave my reasoning BEFORE Damdred


you didn't give a reason for yamato being town after yamato's initial 3 posts
that is what he is talking about
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 18:09 GMT
#687
On July 21 2015 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 03:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 21 2015 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 21 2015 02:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 21 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My reasoning is obviously based on the first three posts.

However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me.
Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not?


i think he explained this already.

The time he didn't read you town for it was because you hadn't given the explanation that Damdred had.

It is impossible because:
(1) He posted AFTER i had given my reasoning
(2) I gave my reasoning BEFORE Damdred


you didn't give a reason for yamato being town after yamato's initial 3 posts
that is what he is talking about

I understand.
What i don't understand is Damdred did the EXACT same thing i did.

Why does he come to a totally different conclusion regarding us two? Just because i say "toen and Damdred says "maybe town". Given the explanations we gave, especailly when i say "i am not 100% sure of this but.." it should be clear to anyone with any brain that is just how i word things - and that me and Damdred mean the exact same thing.


oh yeh I see the first time Damdred read yamato as town now.

that's a good point
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 18:12 GMT
#689
On July 21 2015 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 03:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 21 2015 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 21 2015 02:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 21 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My reasoning is obviously based on the first three posts.

However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me.
Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not?


i think he explained this already.

The time he didn't read you town for it was because you hadn't given the explanation that Damdred had.

It is impossible because:
(1) He posted AFTER i had given my reasoning
(2) I gave my reasoning BEFORE Damdred


you didn't give a reason for yamato being town after yamato's initial 3 posts
that is what he is talking about

I understand.
What i don't understand is Damdred did the EXACT same thing i did.

Why does he come to a totally different conclusion regarding us two? Just because i say "toen and Damdred says "maybe town". Given the explanations we gave, especailly when i say "i am not 100% sure of this but.." it should be clear to anyone with any brain that is just how i word things - and that me and Damdred mean the exact same thing.


I think what he is getting at is your explanation of the read , specifically this post

On July 18 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think onegu has posted much alignment indicative thngs so far.
Maaaaaayyyyybe he is town as he seems to be interested in my read on him.
Idk yet. He uses alot of AtE as scum. We'll see.

Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h.


comes at a point where yamato hasn't made that many posts and plot can't see this "thought process idea". whereas damdred just said, "yeh maybe he's town with no explanation.

when damdred gave the longer explanation for why yamato is town it made more sense given that yamato had posted more.

Basically you explained your read too early is the overall idea i guess.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 18:14 GMT
#690
maybe plotspot and fecalfeast are both mafia and jonny got confused with which partner he was defending.

=)
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 18:16 GMT
#691
Basically rayn I can actually see where plotspot is coming from with his points.

I'm looking through his stuff and his responses to me, given how eager he is to explain his thought process and interact here I don't want to lynch him tomorrow
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 18:23 GMT
#694
On July 21 2015 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 03:12 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 21 2015 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 21 2015 03:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 21 2015 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 21 2015 02:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 21 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My reasoning is obviously based on the first three posts.

However, my question to you still stands and you still haven't answered me.
Why is Damdred making the same read based on same posts a towntell but me doing it is not?


i think he explained this already.

The time he didn't read you town for it was because you hadn't given the explanation that Damdred had.

It is impossible because:
(1) He posted AFTER i had given my reasoning
(2) I gave my reasoning BEFORE Damdred


you didn't give a reason for yamato being town after yamato's initial 3 posts
that is what he is talking about

I understand.
What i don't understand is Damdred did the EXACT same thing i did.

Why does he come to a totally different conclusion regarding us two? Just because i say "toen and Damdred says "maybe town". Given the explanations we gave, especailly when i say "i am not 100% sure of this but.." it should be clear to anyone with any brain that is just how i word things - and that me and Damdred mean the exact same thing.


I think what he is getting at is your explanation of the read , specifically this post

On July 18 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think onegu has posted much alignment indicative thngs so far.
Maaaaaayyyyybe he is town as he seems to be interested in my read on him.
Idk yet. He uses alot of AtE as scum. We'll see.

Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h.


comes at a point where yamato hasn't made that many posts and plot can't see this "thought process idea". whereas damdred just said, "yeh maybe he's town with no explanation.

when damdred gave the longer explanation for why yamato is town it made more sense given that yamato had posted more.

Basically you explained your read too early is the overall idea i guess.

The problem still stands.

Damdred says he has a townread on yamato at the same time i do (only 3-4 posts in).
I explain my read.
yamato posts more.
Damdred gives his explanation after yamato posts more (but talks about only of those 3-4 first posts).
I give more of an explanation which is the same as Damdred's (as it was at first aswell).

plotspot agrees with Damdred's explanation but somehow mine isn't good (while he is even townreading yamato aswell).




On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote:
Rayn and I use the same metric for reading Yamato, and a lot of it comes from experience in playing with him


For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town.

Oneg might be scum for actually trying early d1 instead of using the oneg rule or trolling around until later.

I think rayn is town here, he seems much more measured.

Like kels as well.

And to ff statement about anger some of your posts fo feel angry or perturbed like when I had to drag a interaction out of you, and when you are willing to get your page of filter fast about nothing
meh ff could still be scum


When damdred posted this, that doesn't mean he is just talking about the first 2 posts.
I can see where plotspot is coming from, because you explained the read early it came to his attention. I think that is reasonable.
What's more important is his tone here, his willingness to explain and interact. He feels much townier to me than he did.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 18:25 GMT
#696
On July 21 2015 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It also makes pretty much no sense to me he is interested in me amongst other three people.
He can't make up his mind if one of us is mafia. I apparently hadn't answered him properly. He NEVER re-questions me about my yamato read while i am one of the people he considers possible mafia. He just sits with his "idk reads" for the whole day not wanting to figure out anything.


mhmm yeh his day was pretty terrible

I don't know
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 18:30 GMT
#700
On July 21 2015 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 03:23 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote:
Rayn and I use the same metric for reading Yamato, and a lot of it comes from experience in playing with him


For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town.


When damdred posted this, that doesn't mean he is just talking about the first 2 posts.
I can see where plotspot is coming from, because you explained the read early it came to his attention. I think that is reasonable.
What's more important is his tone here, his willingness to explain and interact. He feels much townier to me than he did.

Like the bolded part is LITERALLY yamato's opening post!!
Why would you ever think Damdred's read on yamato comes from different posts than mine does, as he LITERALLY uses yamato's opening post as evidence - backed up by the fact Damdred says "yamato might be town" after only three posts of his.

Like there is no reason to ever assume my read comes from different posts than Damdred*s.


Damdred also says "some other posts" so he isn't necessarily only taking about the first 2.

It's a really small detail rayn, like you explained the read early, that probably latched onto his mind.
He might be scum , his day was bad and I didn't like the 2 world thing he was trying to set up.
but I think his interactions this night have been ok.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 19:07 GMT
#718
On July 21 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote:
Geript was starting to get support for a Yamato lynch actually kel was going for him to.

And I believe I started pushing them back, simple truth I don't think geript could of convinced the people who were active to go I guess?


there was no support for that lynch
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 19:09 GMT
#721
I guess this is the end of milo.

RIP
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 20 2015 19:14 GMT
#724
On July 21 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote:
Well one thing to consider with Yamato is that jl committed to lynching geript when it was easy to lynch him.

Yamato only got a lot more attention when the geript wagon died down, so its super possible that mafia team was more afk and whoever was active might of thought it better foe the town cred. The Yamato push came a hit late in earnest to me at least


well the geript wagon was started in earnest by me and when I reevaluated I thought yamato was scum so that isn't massively surprising
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