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*Alakaslam is helping me co-host this game. Send actions to all of us.
Rules:
1. Everyone has a cannon.
2. There is no voting. There is no lynching. There is no dayphase.
3. Each night phase lasts 24 hours.
4. All players may send in one of these three night actions:- a) Load: Adds another shot to the player's inventory. Players begin the game with 1 shot. Players can have up to 3 shots; when a 4th is loaded, the cannon explodes and the player is killed. If a PM is not sent in, this will be counted as the default action.
- b) Fire: Fires the cannon at a target of the player's choosing, and consumes one shot. If the target is either loading or firing, they will be killed.
- c) Defend: Takes cover for the night and defends against any incoming cannon fire. To prevent stalemates, players may only use this ability a total of three times during the game.
5. Players will not be notified if they were attacked while defending.
6. The total number of bullets owned by all remaining players after actions have been resolved will be published in the nightpost.
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Deadline: 20:00 GMT (+00:00)
Signups:
1. Damdred
2. Onegu
3. Ticktock
4. Sulfurus
5. ShoCkeyy
6. plotspot
7. Fecalfeast
8. ObiWanShinobi
Replacments
1. Half the Sky
Obs
1. n00bking
2. scott31337
+ Show Spoiler [Flips] +
+ Show Spoiler [Important Posts] +
+ Show Spoiler [Standard Mafia OP] +Introduction: Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia. The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: Cheating:Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account. 11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM. 12. Posting a false role PM phrased as if you received it from the host. You can still fake roleclaim, but you cannot make it look like you are posting a PM you received from the host. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.Posting: Mod Font:This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.Question Font:This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.Activity:You must contribute to your objective in some way or another. Smurfs:On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts. Spam:Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. This also means you should condense your posts when possible. 15 one-liners in 30 minutes is unacceptable. Encryption:Don't do it. Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything. Inappropriate posts:If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. Reporting posts:The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately. Ban discussions:Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game. Play to win.This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game. You have been warned.
Out of thread communication: It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
Game-specific rules: Modkills:This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Flamewheel or post in the Ban List. I reserve the right to deny you a spot in the game for any reason, including but not limited to: prior BM, player consensus, backseat moderation. ReplacementsThis game uses replacements. Replacements will be made in the game up to and including Night 2. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list. Clues: There are no clues. PMsPMs are not allowed in this game. Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 24 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 20:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.
Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game. If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
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Interesting idea... could very easily lead to half the game (or more) being killed after the first phase.
/obs
If this somehow takes a couple weeks to fill I might very well /in instead.
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/in
I like shooting people.
I mean
Virtually
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/can count your votes and troll
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Is that a Xatalos sighting?
/in
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Sorry, not playing this game after all (another game opened up for signups) :/
/out
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On July 02 2015 15:24 Alakaslam wrote:
/can count your votes and troll
There aren't any votes to count! There's nothing for a host or co-host to do but resolve the night actions.
So, the Newbie games say that you can't have played in more than 3 previous games, to participate as a Newbie.
Can I participate in THIS thing without it counting toward my total? Because I think we can all agree that it's really nothing like other Mafia games.
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If you participate in any game other than a newbie game, it will count towards the total. I played in a large normal (which was obviously not newbie, large games never are) for my second game ever on TL, and thus I was only eligible for one more newbie after that.
In any case, I want to get another game - any game - filled up soon after the weekend so I can actually play some thing this month. 
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Okay, guess I can't /in then.
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On July 05 2015 08:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/out
:/
Is there another game running atm?
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On July 05 2015 09:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote::/ Is there another game running atm?
Yeah, I'm in yamato's game and BH's normal game will start tomorrow
I'm outing because I'm getting very busy lately and can't play properly
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/out
Travelling abroad for work for 5 weeks.
Obv will wrap up any games I'm currently in but can't play in any new ones for awhile.
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alright sent Ill be your friend
/in
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On July 16 2015 00:47 Onegu wrote:
alright sent Ill be your friend
/in
<3
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On July 16 2015 00:45 Half the Sky wrote:
/out
Travelling abroad for work for 5 weeks.
Obv will wrap up any games I'm currently in but can't play in any new ones for awhile.
This game might still be open for signups in 5 weeks  Have fun
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/in 
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Since I'm back from my vacation I think I'll go ahead and...
/in
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Bump
Come on people, sign in!
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Scared to join due to the fact I'll probably be shot first day 
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On July 22 2015 04:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:Scared to join due to the fact I'll probably be shot first day
That's what you have defenses for. You can live up to 5 days!
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But then I gotta defend five days in a row and shot my last day D: Glowingbear would definitely shoot me as many times as he can after all my games with him lol.
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Then shoot someone else while you're still alive! If you're being shot at, they can't defend.
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are there any parties in this game or does the one who survive as the last win?
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On July 22 2015 04:55 plotspot wrote:
are there any parties in this game or does the one who survive as the last win?
Town. Mafia. Probably no 3rd parties.
Basically it's always night and everyone's halfway between a vig and an arsonist. And there's no voting. Otherwise all mechanics (scumteam, etc.) stay the same.
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Ehh, I guess we'll see!
/in
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Alright! Only 7 to go.
Hopefully we'll start before the end of summer lol
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/in
yah, I have a feeling it's less discussion-intensive because it will be more heavy on the mindgame side.
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Trying to get some of the older players to come back for this game, already got turned down by one
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Well, that wasn't my intended result, but, oh well...
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Sorry slam. I just think I need to keep my head out of TL Mafia for some time
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Going to be moving down the queue in a couple of days even if this doesn't start as it's been close to a month now.
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On July 28 2015 09:46 Foolishness wrote:
Going to be moving down the queue in a couple of days even if this doesn't start as it's been close to a month now.
Fair enough.
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/out sorry, the game looked like a lot of fun
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Looks like we can't get 12 but we can do it with 8, just need 3 signups.
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If this game isn't full by the middle of next week, I'm back in. Might have the time for a smaller game once I leave the US.
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Come on people!
I mean, who doesn't want to play with Cannons?
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hmm don't understand why people don't wanna join. First I thought it was just some shooting, but since it has parties like a mafia game, it is basically the same in that the key to victory is figuring out who's mafia by talking to each other.
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On July 31 2015 01:19 plotspot wrote:
hmm don't understand why people don't wanna join. First I thought it was just some shooting, but since it has parties like a mafia game, it is basically the same in that the key to victory is figuring out who's mafia by talking to each other.
Exactly!
I thought the total number of bullets remaining (after a round of loading/shooting takes place) was an amazing mechanic for how it could be used to gain information. I want to see it played out.
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Just need one more, right?
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On July 31 2015 01:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Just need one more, right?
Three. I keep the other two in there on the off chance that they re-/in again. Saves me typing time.
Two if Half the Sky comes back.
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Alright, PM me if you only need one more and I'll /in.
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No rsoul this game. She should join since it would be a fast game for her
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Looks like we might be starting soon!
Pre-Game excuse: I'm terrible
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Going to hit up Obi and see if he still wants to fill the last slot.
Are we still filterless for the time being? It shouldn't be as big a deal here because of how fast the game will go, but if there's something going on with TL Mafia that I should know about, do let me know.
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There are a lot of problems with the new layout I feel like TLmafia getting filters will be low on the priority list
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I'll 've honest I'll probably buy tl+ soonish to combat the problem however I'll try to come up with something
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On August 03 2015 03:13 Damdred wrote:
I'll 've honest I'll probably buy tl+ soonish to combat the problem however I'll try to come up with something
I've been thinking this, but then I feel weird that I'm being forced to pay for a feature that used to be free and that I only intend to use because of these subforums.
Not that I think TL is money grabbing here, but still it's weird that a design change to the site removed a feature that was pretty important to a (albeit small) part of their own community.
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Well what I'm thinking of doing is getting filters by tl+ and copy pasting them into some form of link for everyone else that I can update or anyone can.
Would be cool if xata vote tracker could somehow sort everyone I not filters though. I'm sure there is someone more tech savy than me who can figure out how to do it pretty easily.
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The only reason I'm tolerating this game is because it's supposed to be short and filters won't be super necessary.
There's literally no reason to play mafia on TL anymore if I have to pay because I can just get everything for free elsewhere.
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Stop being dramatic obi there are plenty of ways around it obi
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Implying that going somewhere else because services are cheaper/better than what's offered is somehow dramatic.
It's just business. I play mafia on plenty of other sites so I don't really have a problem not playing on one of them.
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The game is better here and it will get fixed and honestly a few ways around it just need a couple,people who care shrug
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Sending confirmation PM's to any player who hasn't posted in this thread in the last 24 hours.
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Still waiting on two confirmations, inactivity could really throw this game so if they don't respond by today's deadline, I'll push the start back another 24 hours.
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For the HIJOLE that doesn't get the message? Imma STEAL his spot
/in
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On August 03 2015 05:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Implying that going somewhere else because services are cheaper/better than what's offered is somehow dramatic.
It's just business. I play mafia on plenty of other sites so I don't really have a problem not playing on one of them.
Wait what other mafia sites have filters?
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Sorry, wasn't around yesterday
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Just plotspot left and we're ready to go!
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I actually like the fact that the filter is gone, makes the game much better, forces people to actually read the threads :D
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On August 04 2015 01:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I actually like the fact that the filter is gone, makes the game much better, forces people to actually read the threads :D
On small threads (I believe up to 100 pages it's allowed if you don't have TL+) you can just hit the 'all' tab and ctrl+f the player's name that you're looking for.
It's how I quickly scan threads to see if anyone's talking about me lately.
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On August 04 2015 01:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 01:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I actually like the fact that the filter is gone, makes the game much better, forces people to actually read the threads :D On small threads (I believe up to 100 pages it's allowed if you don't have TL+) you can just hit the 'all' tab and ctrl+f the player's name that you're looking for. It's how I quickly scan threads to see if anyone's talking about me lately.
50 pages.
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On August 04 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2015 01:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On August 04 2015 01:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I actually like the fact that the filter is gone, makes the game much better, forces people to actually read the threads :D On small threads (I believe up to 100 pages it's allowed if you don't have TL+) you can just hit the 'all' tab and ctrl+f the player's name that you're looking for. It's how I quickly scan threads to see if anyone's talking about me lately. 50 pages.
Glad we have only 8 players then. Maybe by the time we hit 50 they'll give us filters back.
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On August 04 2015 01:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I actually like the fact that the filter is gone, makes the game much better, forces people to actually read the threads :D
Um, some of the better town players usually find it necessity to read the full thread AND filters of specific players. Could you imagine ctrl+f in TL LXX or Imperial?
Also having filters in certain situations make my life as a moderator easier.
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On August 03 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote:
Well what I'm thinking of doing is getting filters by tl+ and copy pasting them into some form of link for everyone else that I can update or anyone can.
Would be cool if xata vote tracker could somehow sort everyone I not filters though. I'm sure there is someone more tech savy than me who can figure out how to do it pretty easily.
I'm not sure this would work. I tried accessing filters for even past games I ran and I cannot even access filters for links I made, so I'm not sure how other people would do the same thing (even if they have TL+) and expect others to access those links.
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If you need a player today i can /in.
Otherwise ignore this message.
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I'll give plot an extra 24 if he doesn't show up soon, and after that I'll sub in Half the Sky and start the game tomorrow at the deadline time.
I can stick you on the replacement list after Half the Sky if you want rayn.
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On August 04 2015 02:32 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote:
Well what I'm thinking of doing is getting filters by tl+ and copy pasting them into some form of link for everyone else that I can update or anyone can.
Would be cool if xata vote tracker could somehow sort everyone I not filters though. I'm sure there is someone more tech savy than me who can figure out how to do it pretty easily. I'm not sure this would work. I tried accessing filters for even past games I ran and I cannot even access filters for links I made, so I'm not sure how other people would do the same thing (even if they have TL+) and expect others to access those links.
what I was thinking was actually copy pasteing peoples filters to a database or a paste dump or something and update it every few hours (off site) and five people access to it.
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On August 04 2015 02:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'll give plot an extra 24 if he doesn't show up soon, and after that I'll sub in Half the Sky and start the game tomorrow at the deadline time.
I can stick you on the replacement list after Half the Sky if you want rayn.
I don't have almost any time during this weekend so please don't.
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/confirm
yeah no filter kinda sucks, but we'll see
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Alright starting in six hours!
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Sent out role PMs, game starting in
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NIGHT 1
![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Dardanelles_Gun_Turkish_Bronze_15c.png)
The year was 1570 and artillery suddenly became useful with its +0.4 fire damage. So instead of voting to hang each other from trees like some unwashed barbarians, the peoples of the world elected to instead vote out the scummiest among them like gentlemen - by blowing each others' brains out with 12-pound iron cannonballs based on each other's hunches.
Each player begins the night with one cannonball and three defenses. Send your action (Load, Fire, Defend) by the end of the night (24 hours away).
There are a total of 8 cannonballs remaining in the game.
Night 1 ends in .
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First?
Confirmed: Alive and Posting
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As requested...
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e2rPWhg.jpg)
I brought my own Cannon.
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Looks like nobody is around, and I got work and stuff. So I'll leave a few thoughts to help get things moving.
Town's biggest source of info (besides flips obv) is the cannonball count, thus it seems an open and honest atmosphere where we can freely discuss what night actions we took will best aid town. Pros and Cons to this?
It also seems to me that since everyone has 3 defends available it will be difficult to push & flip scumreads. However, pushing scum will still force them to defend and not be able to shoot.
Thus I think it best that town proceed in an organized and typical fashion to push and flesh out scum slowly, as opposed to us each acting on our own as vigilantes.
Discuss.
I'm currently Loading my Cannon
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If we don't say what our night action is, is it announced at EoN?
I've put literally no thought into this game yet.
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On August 05 2015 05:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
If we don't say what our night action is, is it announced at EoN?
I've put literally no thought into this game yet.
If no action is sent, I use the load action as default.
This also acts as a backup modkill since having 4 cannonballs kills you.
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Not what I meant, but thank you.
I'm asking if all of our night actions are secret.
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On August 05 2015 05:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Not what I meant, but thank you.
I'm asking if all of our night actions are secret.
Yes
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Thanks.
Tictock's plan sounds good, tempted to roll with it but haven't decided on a night action yet.
Will post more after work.
Bye.
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what's the point in saying you're loading your cannon half an hour into the game?
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I don't like the plan during the night could give mafia ideas who to shoot but yeah.
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I claim VT, or would claim VT if there were actually roles. But since there are no actual roles I cant claim VT?
Did rsoul sign up for this if she did I shoot her if not dunno...
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On August 05 2015 05:19 Tictock wrote:
Looks like nobody is around, and I got work and stuff. So I'll leave a few thoughts to help get things moving.
Town's biggest source of info (besides flips obv) is the cannonball count, thus it seems an open and honest atmosphere where we can freely discuss what night actions we took will best aid town. Pros and Cons to this?
It also seems to me that since everyone has 3 defends available it will be difficult to push & flip scumreads. However, pushing scum will still force them to defend and not be able to shoot.
Thus I think it best that town proceed in an organized and typical fashion to push and flesh out scum slowly, as opposed to us each acting on our own as vigilantes.
Discuss.
I'm currently Loading my Cannon
I gotz me a gun and you want me to not use it?!
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wow since when did the rules change to 3 loads and 3 defends? I thought it was 5 loads and 5 defends before.
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like this should be very easy for town, we all agree to load and everyone has 2 shots for tomorrow. Makes the game very interesting, and ok maybe mafia doesn't agree and shoots, who the fuck cares 2 townies dead but we know who is mafia for sure, because they didn't load but shot instead.
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On August 05 2015 09:00 plotspot wrote:
wow since when did the rules change to 3 loads and 3 defends? I thought it was 5 loads and 5 defends before.
Less players.
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Also note that while the load mechanic does modkill automatically, that doesn't excuse people from not posting in the game.
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On August 05 2015 09:15 plotspot wrote:
like this should be very easy for town, we all agree to load and everyone has 2 shots for tomorrow. Makes the game very interesting, and ok maybe mafia doesn't agree and shoots, who the fuck cares 2 townies dead but we know who is mafia for sure, because they didn't load but shot instead.
The night post will only say the total number of bullets so won't know who shot unless they tell us.
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I personally won't be hinting at what my night actions will be to avoid giving mafia too much information.
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Well actually we kinda can tell if everyone says load whoever doesn't have two shots tommorow is scum ya?
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On August 05 2015 04:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
There are a total of 8 cannonballs remaining in the game.
This is what the day post is going to look like. Notice how it says nothing how many shots each player has, just the total amount.
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On August 05 2015 10:19 Damdred wrote:
Well actually we kinda can tell if everyone says load whoever doesn't have two shots tommorow is scum ya?
How does that work?
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I don't really think that plan makes any sense.
What's stopping mafia from loading as well, exactly? What incentive is there for mafia to not load if everyone else is loading?
And how exactly would we prove that mafia fired?
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On August 05 2015 10:19 Damdred wrote:
Well actually we kinda can tell if everyone says load whoever doesn't have two shots tommorow is scum ya?
yeah that was the plan, but Sulfurus is right, I wasn't paying attention to the sample post Sentinel made. Though still if we agree that everyone loads, and every townie does, it leaves mafia back to shoot especially if you see 2 townies dying.Though still we are left with 4 townies who have 8 shots and 2 mafia who has no shot, this is advantageous to town, no? More likely we bring mafia to the game too by having them load, but then we have 6 townies with 12 shots and 2 mafia with 4 shots, I still think in such a game it favours the mass.
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actually I've thought more about this, as town we don't need to load up so much. We only need 2 kills, that means if we defend more and hit the right spots, this should do it. We don't need to load, if you die with many bullets, it's all the same. I doubt this game last more than 4 turns.
But consider this, if we don't misshoot, mafia needs at least 5 turns to win: shoot, load, shoot, load, shoot. Successfully defending one or two shots can drag this out to 6 turns for mafia to win, while we'd only need to hit two of them somewhere in between, killing one of them basically doubles the remaining time for them to win, if we don't misshoot.
I'm stressing this "don't misshoot" because we don't have lynch mechanism to balance it out, so we have to be extra careful when shooting someone.
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Ok before we got too lost in mechanic talk...
#1 priority for town should still be to hunt for scum.
#2 is figuring out how best to use mechanics to our advantage.
If town is able to identify scum then the possibility of being shot will prevent scum from shooting as they will be forced to defend. This will effectively prevent mafia from having KP and will buy town time to continue discussing things.
There are only 2 real situations in which I see this game being a cluster for town.
-If everyone acts alone and shoots whomever they feel like we could very well end up with half the game dead
-Everyone decides to shoot the same person and town wastes most if not all our cannonballs
The first situation is the one I am most afraid of, and is why I feel town needs to be organized this game.
As for why I included the statement about loading my cannon. Simply a choice I made about how I want to approach this game, not at all something I recommend for anyone else to do. Obviously it is best to keep your action a secret until after the phase is over, however we should all freely discuss our actions after the fact to help us determine if there are any inconsistencies with the ball count (indicating mafia tried to pull something).
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Well tt who do you think is scum XD
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Nothing much has happened so it's hard to have reads yet...
How does everyone feel about just defending tonight?
Prevents anyone from being killed so town gets more time to try and look for scum. Mafia would probably load up which isn't great but they can still only shoot once per night so it's not that bad either.
Thoughts?
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Tt have you ever played on mafiascum?
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Nope, only ever played on this site and only started playing a few months ago.
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Right.
I was going to rant on how game stagnation is a thing but one night of defending/loading probably won't kill us.
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I'm honestly thinking defending is a solid plan going forward...
but hey we can talk about stuff too, yea?
On August 05 2015 05:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
what's the point in saying you're loading your cannon half an hour into the game?
FF's only post mean anything?
I mean I kinda feel like he missed the point, but it's a semi valid question.
He's one of a few people here I have no experience with.
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we played together I thought tictock
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Did we?
Did you play in NSM IX?
If you weren't in that one I've never played with ya.
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Heh, you did.
I didn't remember because you were killed N1.
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so are you still going to defer the responsibility of reading my one post to others?
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Only if you have no other thoughts about the game...
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Nah I am shooting tonight. Not sure who yet...
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On August 05 2015 14:56 Tictock wrote:
Only if you have no other thoughts about the game...
so who would you trust to read me, were I to have no more substantial thoughts this game?
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Thus far FF you're the only person who I have reason to distrust, and thankfully I can come to conclusions all by myself.
I brought you up because your first post felt like you were fishing to me, the question kinda answers itself when you think about it.
Now you turn up as soon as I mention you, which implies to me that you were lurking with a very slim chance of it just being a grand coincidence. Regardless I'd expect you to be reading and have some thoughts to share about something in the last page. I did even answer your question in a post over there. Yet you seem to have nothing.
So unless you have something besides some leading questions to ask me I think I've found our first scum.
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I'm unsure about plots, his first plan was terrible and showed no real thought about how to play out the game. His second one at least shows he's thinking about things more critically.
Obi... idk he looks like he's just along for the ride atm.
Damdred and Sulf are weak townleans.
Onegu has tried to make 0 impact on the game and only cares that he has a cannon to shoot... probably town.
No word yet from ShoCkeyy, so who knows.
I'm still thinking the best course of action for town is to defend and buy time. You're all gunna do whatever you want to do anyways though so whatever.
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On August 05 2015 17:25 Tictock wrote:
Thus far FF you're the only person who I have reason to distrust, and thankfully I can come to conclusions all by myself.
I brought you up because your first post felt like you were fishing to me, the question kinda answers itself when you think about it.
Now you turn up as soon as I mention you, which implies to me that you were lurking with a very slim chance of it just being a grand coincidence. Regardless I'd expect you to be reading and have some thoughts to share about something in the last page. I did even answer your question in a post over there. Yet you seem to have nothing.
So unless you have something besides some leading questions to ask me I think I've found our first scum.
Why would you expect that? What about my leading questions and lack of commentary makes me scummy?
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I'm alive, claiming town and will be loading tonight unless some wild situation occurs. I'm currently at a company retreat and will be available in the mornings and night. Not much has happened since the game has started.
On August 05 2015 11:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't really think that plan makes any sense.
What's stopping mafia from loading as well, exactly? What incentive is there for mafia to not load if everyone else is loading?
And how exactly would we prove that mafia fired?
Yea, it does seem like we won't ever know who fired the shot and who loaded anyways. It makes it much more difficult to tell cause they can easily say they loaded the gun but didn't.
On August 05 2015 17:30 Tictock wrote:
I'm unsure about plots, his first plan was terrible and showed no real thought about how to play out the game. His second one at least shows he's thinking about things more critically.
Obi... idk he looks like he's just along for the ride atm.
Damdred and Sulf are weak townleans.
Onegu has tried to make 0 impact on the game and only cares that he has a cannon to shoot... probably town.
No word yet from ShoCkeyy, so who knows.
I'm still thinking the best course of action for town is to defend and buy time. You're all gunna do whatever you want to do anyways though so whatever.
Why did you change plans? I thought you wanted to load the guns?
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Obi... idk he looks like he's just along for the ride atm.
You are correct.
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Also why is Damdred a townlean? I don't really think he's that towny.
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Deadline in . Send in your actions if you haven't by that time!
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On August 05 2015 18:24 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 17:25 Tictock wrote:
Thus far FF you're the only person who I have reason to distrust, and thankfully I can come to conclusions all by myself.
I brought you up because your first post felt like you were fishing to me, the question kinda answers itself when you think about it.
Now you turn up as soon as I mention you, which implies to me that you were lurking with a very slim chance of it just being a grand coincidence. Regardless I'd expect you to be reading and have some thoughts to share about something in the last page. I did even answer your question in a post over there. Yet you seem to have nothing.
So unless you have something besides some leading questions to ask me I think I've found our first scum. Why would you expect that? What about my leading questions and lack of commentary makes me scummy?
If your lurking and town, I'd expect you to be reading and thinking about the game. As it stands you seem to not care that I answered your original question, and as soon as I asked about you, you poped up and started deflecting onto me.
Maybe I'm just the most interesting person, but I find it a bit odd you have no reactions to anything else thus far.
@ShoCkeyy
Plots is who suggested everyone load. I suggested everyone defend as an alternate suggestion.
I think defending is the superior option for a fair few reasons, the top of which are that it prevents Mafia from being able to kill off any town and would sorta force them into loading.
@Obi
I mean I have 3 posts to go off of. 2 of them point out the obvious and one is kinda supporting a bad idea. One of the obvious posts was reminding people that mafia can take advantage of people stating their intended actions, probably not something mafia wants to remind people about.
Like I said it's kinda weak.
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TT, you have set on default load in your first post. My first reaction was too that everyone should load, but shortly afterwards I pointed out that a defensive stance might not be so bad, since town doesn't really need that many bullets. And then you kinda agree that everyone should rather defend today.
Well I'm still waging between loading and defending, we'll see.
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What other action would I be leaning towards 20 min into the game?
Who would I be shooting before anyone's posted? Why should I feel the need to defend?
The more I thought about about a general plan of action the more I started liking Defending, and especially now I think it's my best option.
I think at this point I've probably been the most vocal and taken some stances on people, which naturally paints me as a target. So for me personally, totally defending tonight.
As a general plan for town I think it's solid while leaving potential for shenanigans, and is the worst thing for mafia to hear.
So yea...
I'm currently Defending myself behind my mighty Cannon
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either loading or blasting someone, mafia get at me
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I will slightly scumread ShoCkeyy and Onegu if they survive since they both explicitly claimed not defending (FecalFeast looks like he's doing some WIFOM shit).
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Night 2
There are 16 cannonballs remaining.
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crap I missed deadline...
I would have shot...
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I sent in a shot already so I dont miss it again. 100% shooting this phase.
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This is a thing hrm I have a feeling that lots of death will happen
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I'm putting in an amazing shot
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My reasoning for loading was too little had happened for a strong scum read and I didn't feel pressured enough to defend; I imagine most people will say the same.
I'm wondering why TickTock and Obi loaded because they both implied the defend action.
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On August 06 2015 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Night 2
There are 16 cannonballs remaining.
Lol so everyone loaded, interesting.
I loaded because I felt like I could sneak it in since nobody should be willing to waste their only shot on on someone claiming to be defending.
Honestly I'd assume anyone stating their action is playing for wifom.
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Yeah I should have blasted last night
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On August 06 2015 04:59 Sulfurus wrote:
I will slightly scumread ShoCkeyy and Onegu if they survive since they both explicitly claimed not defending (FecalFeast looks like he's doing some WIFOM shit).
Terrible reason for scum reading me....
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So I wonder how many people actively loaded vs how many forgot to send in an action...
Anyways...
Does anyone have any reads?
Like if you had to shoot tonight, who would you shoot?
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I was thinking of shooting ows for funzies but right now I'm not too keen on damdred
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Obi might not be a bad shot.
Any reason in particular your thinking about shooting damdred?
I am a bit suprised he didnt try to pull any shenanies or last min discussion before end of phase.
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On August 06 2015 06:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You guys are spineless.
What does that make you Obi?
I mean you loaded as well...
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On August 06 2015 09:07 Fecalfeast wrote:
I was thinking of shooting ows for funzies
Jerk.
(Though I agree that maybe Damdred is a good shot.)
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On August 06 2015 09:17 Tictock wrote:What does that make you Obi? I mean you loaded as well...
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Not sure why I'm a good shot ^^ but its ok idc
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On August 06 2015 08:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2015 04:59 Sulfurus wrote:
I will slightly scumread ShoCkeyy and Onegu if they survive since they both explicitly claimed not defending (FecalFeast looks like he's doing some WIFOM shit). Terrible reason for scum reading me....
But is it good for Onegu? Or are you just saying the logic is bad?
Since everyone seems afraid of their kill targets defending themselves we should probably focus on townreads. I have one on FecalFeast; he appears to be coming from a town perspective and he had a good reaction to TT's questioning.
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Kind of inclined to give Sulf a townlean - seems like he's trying to figure things out a bit.
It's hard for me to put my finger on but I kinda liked that last post he made.
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So did a quick reread of the game...
Yea, Sulf is pretty town.
I kinda liked Sho's entry so kinda leaning town on him.
Onegu failed to shoot... disappointing, but doesn't really change my town read on him either.
FF is the only one to answer my "who would you shoot" question and I mostly agree with his choices, so I'm gunna assume I just managed to summon him earlier and that leaves me thinking he's town.
Obi continues to seem like he's only along for the ride and hasn't even called anyone mafia.
Damdred made that one post I liked, but otherwise hasn't done the normal Damdred stuff I've come to expect from him.
Plots made one bad suggestion, then followed it up with some decent thinking regarding what it would take for mafia to win. On the one hand that kinda leads me to think he's town... on the other I never did get to lynch him in NSM X and he hasn't posted yet today... I think I want to shoot plots.
Damdred and Obi are probably good shots as well.
I'm aiming my cannon right at plotspot
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Good stuff, I have aimed my cannon at one of the liars in this thread from the beginning of N2. LOL everyone loading was kinda what I expected.
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I just called Damdred a good shot lmao.
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Well damdred is town here so doesn't really matter in shooting tonight so if I die I don't mind
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Remember to PM both me and Slam your actions
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On August 06 2015 23:21 Damdred wrote:
Well damdred is town here so doesn't really matter in shooting tonight so if I die I don't mind
Who are you shooting?
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Btw, I don't really like Shockey either.
:/
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On August 07 2015 00:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Btw, I don't really like Shockey either.
:/
what don't you like about Shockey, besides probably that he has not more than one post so far?
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Sorry this isn't a very exciting game because its not really mafia to me I guess? Anyway I'm not saying who I'm shooting bur I am shooting tonight or I'll say right after before/after deadline
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yea and I'm fucking tired, have had a few rough days, you guys can do whatever you want
I'm shooting too, I have Sulfurus as town, so he is the only one I am definitely not shooting
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Sorry for the delay - NIGHT 3
There are 8 cannonballs remaining.
Onegu the VT has been shot!
Fecalfeast the VT has been shot!
ObiWanShinobi the Goon has been shot!
There are 5 players remaining.
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well, I didn't shoot any of them.^^
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Everyone shot it looks like I shot ff for lolz and because I thought I was dead.
Honestly I thought he was meh for asking if in was town
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On August 07 2015 05:29 plotspot wrote:
well, I didn't shoot any of them.^^
Who did you shoot then
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nah I defended. I pointed out the dangers of shooting in the wild earlier, not gonna shoot If I'm not sure.
btw Damdred, your conclusion is wrong, not everyone shot. I just tried to make a cannonball analysis. It's not possible, you don't know whether the guys who died shot or loaded.
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I did the math and it's a bit strange. 5 left alive
Plot 2
Damd 1
So the remaining 5 balls spread between 3 players
Tt loaded n1 preliminary 2
Sulf loaded n1 preliminary 2
We also know that oneg did shoot at this point oh I probably did to so one of the last three had to shoot to make pur quota of 8 with either 0 reloads or people overlapping shots.
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I defended as well, anyone who actually thought I was gunna shoot plots based on what I said is just plain silly.
Hey my read on Obi was pretty good.
So now we have 1 scum left in five, humm.
Probably Sho based on PoE.
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1+2+2=6
So the last two people should have one apiece
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? what kind of math is that. 1+2+2= 5 not 6.
Assuming so far: me 2 shots left, you 1 shot left, TT 2 shots left.
That's 5/8, so it's 3 CB for both Sulfurus and Shockey. One of them must have shot and the other defended, because they both went in N2 with 2 CB each.
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Humm hopefully we hear from Sulf and Sho soon so we can try and piece together what happened.
I was going to make a start on that but I'll wait till I get home.
For now what we know is that 5 players took shots ( i think we can rule out anyone loading, though its possible they just failed to send in an action) but only 3 players died. So either 2 shots hit players who were defending or they were meant for targets already being shot.
More to come...
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I meant 5 my phone has small buttons.
yep cool stuff
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On August 07 2015 12:09 Sulfurus wrote:
I shot
Would like to know who as well... Oh maybe he shot me ^.^ That might explain why he didn't just come out and say it...
Still that would mean Sho defended. Interesting, what prompted you to defend Sho?
Also I find it a little interesting that Damdred survived.
He clearly stated he would be shooting and did, and 2 of the people who died last night said they would shoot Damdred. I did as well but didn't shoot.
So lets assume FF shot Obi, and we know Damdred shot FF... maybe Obi shot Onegu? If so why Onegu over Damdred who he said he would... Ehh it's wifom but I can't help but wonder if Obi didn't shoot Damdred because they are mafia...
The real question is who did Onegu shoot? I suppose we'll have to wait till post game for that one.
Also for now I think it's safer to assume Damdred is town based on Obi saying he'd shoot Damdred. That wifom though...
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So trying to look at how this game might play out...
We are in 4/1. Everyone has KP.
Mafia has either 1 or 2 cannonballs, and If town stops shooting then needs at least 2 nights to load.
If mafia has 1 CB then has 3 defends left + 3 loads needed.
If mafia has 2 CB then has 2 defends left + 2 loads needed.
A mafia with 2 CB is probably a higher priority target for town to deal with.
So that would potentially be Myself, Plotspot, or ShoCkeyy
A Mafia with 1 CB, wants town to shoot town because they have to play this out a week if nobody else shoots.
Obv the players left, Damdred, Sulf.
Obi said he'd shoot Damdred + Show Spoiler +he didn't but yea he was also scum
So clearly Town needs to decide who is most likely to be scum out of Myself, Plotspot or ShoCkeyy.
I'd shoot Shockeyy.
Now can we all agree to stop shooting and load for a day?
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Ohhh!
Or better yet.
Can we assign either Damdred or Sul to shoot tonight?
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I'd also be agreeable to defending over loading, but I already used one of mine...
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I defended, also I'm currently at a company retreat in Austin, TX so I've been limited to internet. Either way, who was targeting Obi last night? I think we can get a lot of info out of the person who shot obi and what his reasons were for shooting him. It just depends if he wants to come out and say if he did or not.
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Do you have any opinions on the game without knowing who shot Obi?
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Like, I don't know. Whoever comes out now and claims having shot Obi is extremely suspicious (easiest bus claim ever), you won't find that person, yea maybe Sulf or one of the dead shot him, but who knows, it doesn't matter, I grant that townies can be a bit secretive in this game. Lying is absolutely not a mafia trait here. It's proven that I've "lied" about my NA last night, TT has "lied" twice, Onegu "lied" about his N1 action and we don't know whether he really shot someone N2 either and flipped town. It's more like decision swings not being proclaimed to the thread, which is fine and in essence not any different than anyone who didn't proclaim any NA in the thread.
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Deadline might be up to an hour late today.
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Such Game...
Very active...
Anybody have ideas or opinions about who is the last scum?
...no?
Fine I'll do it myself.
I'm aiming my cannon right at ShoCkeyy
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Night 4
ShoCkeyy the Vanilla Townie was shot!
There are 4 cannonballs left in the game.
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So I have 0 cannonball left. However I did not shoot shockey
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I defended. So Sulfurus has 1 CB left and defended too?
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That is correct sulf defended
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Let me guess you shot Sulfurus because he wasn't willing to "participate", or me? I dunno.
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Plot 2
Damdred 0
Tt-1 (shot shoxkey)
Sulf-1 defended
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I shot sulf in a Yolo attempt because nullish read abd he didn't tell,us who,he shot.
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This is something I don't understand either. As either alignment you could choose one of the 3 dead or even the one you shot but who defended himself, and give some explanation, it's not like people will rip your head off because your reasoning isn't super tight and logical in this game.
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Well I shot Sho, and clearly I was wrong.
Just to expand on Damdreds list a little...
Plot 2 CB, 1 Defends left
Damdred 0 CB, 3 Defends left
Tt 1 CB, 2 Defends left
Sulf 1 CB, 1 Defend left
Who is the mafia?
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@Damdred: i was referring to the question you asked who Sulf shooted, but he never gave an explanation.
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you're wrong Sulf has 2 Defends left.
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Who would you most like to shoot plots?
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On August 08 2015 06:30 plotspot wrote:
you're wrong Sulf has 2 Defends left.
Oh yea, he shot...someone... N2
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Mafia tendencies imo: Sulf > Damdred > TT, I'm willing to shoot Sulf, so you guys can load up and be on standby if he defends. If we neutralize eachother, we either win or you guys Damdred and TT will have to showdown this. Good luck.
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Great potential 1v1 mindgames...
I'm ok with that plan, so damdred had better speak up if he thinks I'd try and shoot him
God speed plots
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or wait, when does this game end? In this case not if mafia number = town number right? This would be kinda lame, since playground is quite leveled.
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I think it's last man standing... Though that does potentially leave room for a draw...
What exactly are the win conditions?
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I'm fine with this plan if I get shot and sulf doesn't die I think it's obvious who the scum is
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Cool, pending further info lets go with that then.
I promise not to shoot and Damdred is out of CB, so either nobody dies tomorrow or 2 people die. There might be better plans out there but I'm just happy we finally agree on one.
I'm currently Loading my cannon
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On August 08 2015 06:48 Tictock wrote:
I think it's last man standing... Though that does potentially leave room for a draw...
What exactly are the win conditions?
When mafia outnumbers town for mafia (or the condition is unavoidable), or when mafia are dead for town.
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Hello again I'm back.
First of all I am confirmed town for killing Obi n2 (I'm the only reason the game didn't end in a scum victory). So basically treat this like a lylo situation where one of you has to convince me your town.
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On August 08 2015 15:54 Sulfurus wrote:
Hello again I'm back.
First of all I am confirmed town for killing Obi n2 (I'm the only reason the game didn't end in a scum victory). So basically treat this like a lylo situation where one of you has to convince me your town.
If this is true, and you believe that stating it it should make you confirmed town to us, why did you not say so last phase?
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On August 08 2015 16:44 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 15:54 Sulfurus wrote:
Hello again I'm back.
First of all I am confirmed town for killing Obi n2 (I'm the only reason the game didn't end in a scum victory). So basically treat this like a lylo situation where one of you has to convince me your town. If this is true, and you believe that stating it it should make you confirmed town to us, why did you not say so last phase?
Because I'm bad at this game.
My reasoning was that I was already being town read and that if someone else shot Obi they would need the town cred more than I did.
Honestly I have a bias towards being secretive and typing as little into the thread as possible.
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On August 08 2015 18:08 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 16:44 Tictock wrote:On August 08 2015 15:54 Sulfurus wrote:
Hello again I'm back.
First of all I am confirmed town for killing Obi n2 (I'm the only reason the game didn't end in a scum victory). So basically treat this like a lylo situation where one of you has to convince me your town. If this is true, and you believe that stating it it should make you confirmed town to us, why did you not say so last phase? Because I'm bad at this game. My reasoning was that I was already being town read and that if someone else shot Obi they would need the town cred more than I did. Honestly I have a bias towards being secretive and typing as little into the thread as possible.
Well killing someone or stating killing someone after the fact doesn't really confirm anyone as anything because of possible overlap. But I'd be interested why you picked out Obi, what made him scum?
Besides I don't know, Damdred stated shooting FF, me and TT stated defending and gave our explanations, if you shot someone it's kinda clear that Shockeyy was defending too (which he later confirmed too). Like, from your perspective you must have known that no one else killed Obi or wanted to be credited or associated with the Obi kill, why trying to give others more town credit especially when stating killing Obi isn't going to do that technically?
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Yea... we stick with the plan.
Like I really don't like either of the last 2 posts you made Sulf.
On August 08 2015 15:54 Sulfurus wrote:
Hello again I'm back.
First of all I am confirmed town for killing Obi n2 (I'm the only reason the game didn't end in a scum victory). So basically treat this like a lylo situation where one of you has to convince me your town.
The bolded line is just so wrong on many levels. You yourself said we should focus on Townreads N2 Sulf, now your implying that you have no reads on any of us and that it is up to us to prove how towny we are. You don't want to talk to us and figure things out, you want us to prove ourselves to you...
As for the other line... Well you know that we have only your word to go on here, so therefor you also know that there is no way to confirm this and that you are far from confirmed town...
On August 05 2015 10:11 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 09:15 plotspot wrote:
like this should be very easy for town, we all agree to load and everyone has 2 shots for tomorrow. Makes the game very interesting, and ok maybe mafia doesn't agree and shoots, who the fuck cares 2 townies dead but we know who is mafia for sure, because they didn't load but shot instead. The night post will only say the total number of bullets so won't know who shot unless they tell us.
I also think your reasoning regarding the question I asked you is total BS and shows you simply aren't following this very low activity game.
On August 08 2015 18:08 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 16:44 Tictock wrote:On August 08 2015 15:54 Sulfurus wrote:
Hello again I'm back.
First of all I am confirmed town for killing Obi n2 (I'm the only reason the game didn't end in a scum victory). So basically treat this like a lylo situation where one of you has to convince me your town. If this is true, and you believe that stating it it should make you confirmed town to us, why did you not say so last phase? Because I'm bad at this game. My reasoning was that I was already being town read and that if someone else shot Obi they would need the town cred more than I did. Honestly I have a bias towards being secretive and typing as little into the thread as possible.
When you posted "I Shot" everyone but you and Sho had claimed their night actions already, and it should have been clear to you that Sho defended. If you are town and were trying to figure out the game the reasoning you just stated should have never crossed your mind.
So yea...
TLDR: Stick to the plan, Sulf is scum. He's only showing self interest here and it is clear that he is not thinking about how to solve the game.
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I suspected Obi was scum because of this post I tried to give him a chance to defend himself by asking why he loaded but he didn't respond so I shot him.
Also this isn't like normal mafia where you can just spout out your reads I don't want to give the mafia any clues about what I'm doing tonight.
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Ehh idk, your being semi believable right now sulf.
But your still not even bothering to try and townread anyone like you suggested we should, and it's not like you really pushed this question towards Obi very much.
On August 06 2015 06:49 Sulfurus wrote:
My reasoning for loading was too little had happened for a strong scum read and I didn't feel pressured enough to defend; I imagine most people will say the same.
I'm wondering why TickTock and Obi loaded because they both implied the defend action.
We are definitely at a point in the game where we can sorta plan out our actions and expect certain reactions based on what actions people have available. However I still don't see you putting in any effort into narrowing options or solving the game.
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lol Sentinel is probably gonna be late again XD
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NIGHT 5
Damdred the Vanilla Townie has been shot!
Sulfurus the Vanilla Townie has been shot!
There are 3 cannonballs remaining.
Since there's two of you left and one of you has to be scum, the rules change slightly to speed things up. PM me your action, and when both of you have submitted, I will automatically update the next cycle.
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On August 09 2015 04:59 plotspot wrote:
lol Sentinel is probably gonna be late again XD
pls
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wow Sulfurus didn't stick to the plan XD
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TT you scum I always wanted to shoot you. NOW THERE IS THE CHANCE.
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Oh come one TT, I either loaded, defended or shot. Where are you? Let's get this over with.
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^.^ so I shoulda questioned why your reasoning become so much better when you were thinking more from the mafia perspective...
I loaded so clearly you shot Sulf as planned.
I'm just amazed Sulf shot Damdred rather than defend.
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Sulfurus is no coward. I should have shot you and I thought were going to defend.
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Lel no, any scum would have taken my offer for sure. Two townies shooting each other, that's a brilliant idea.
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Night 6
Nobody died. 2 cannonballs remaining.
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Nah I was finally don trying to mind game... The final piece of any good mind game.
You did well, I regret not YOLO shooting you since I was so sure Damdred was town at that point. Sulfs last post shoulda had me questioning more but I had RL distractions.
I'm ready to play this out. After this cycle I'll submit my endgame to UoN so we can crank it out.
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lol you want a draw? Come on.^^
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Sure I kinda believe your RL distractions, you weren't really here after EoN.
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Night 7
Nobody died, 3 cannonballs left
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Night 8
Both players shot each other. Tie game.
Thank you to Damdred, Onegu, Ticktock, Sulfurus, ShoCkeyy, Fecalfeast, ObiWanShinobi and plotspot for playing and Alakaslam for cohosting!
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Well GG.
Got that load in, wasnt sure the best way to run that endgame.
Went with
Load
Defend
Shoot
Defend
Shoot
GG i shoulda shot plots before 1v1 when I was sure Damdred was Town. Didn't have time to think things through then so defaulted.
Interesting game, might have more thouhgts later.
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N1 I loaded and n2 I struggled between shooting plot and ff I chose ff for idk why. And I'm curious why sulf suddenly thought I was scum for thinking he made a good post.
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yeah GG, draw is kinda fitting for this game I feel.
No Damdred, the posts from Sulf is too close, he was talking about something before, that makes you in his opinion scum.
Your load on N7 kinda surprised me TT, I was supposed to be out of defends after I defended on N6, so I was sure you were gonna shoot to possibly win or pull a draw.
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I kinda took part in this game to understand where pressure and the root of scumhunting comes from. And it appears as n00bking said, there is no pressure to be vocal.
Which then as it appears, voting is really the key mechanism to get people talking. And if you don't talk then you're either scum or at best disposable town.
But I don't know, maybe Sentinel can tell us whether such a game could have unfolded in a different way?
I always had the feeling people really wanted to participate and talk, but then felt "ah no, I just talk a bit less, it's fine" and this kinda spirals down and ends up making everybody mirror each other.
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I'd actually sort of like this format of it was a vote in a mini day phase who could have the ability to use there canon and they couldn't be elected on consecutive day.
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If there's ever a Cannons III, I'll probably add in a vote mechanic. I feel like at the least it would discourage people to lurk and there would be some more information to draw from (I tried to keep shooting mechanics hidden but then there wasn't much information to go off of in general)
Regarding the mechanic itself... I like your idea Damdy, and maybe have it the opposite instead as an alternative. So each day you vote for someone to have their cannon temporarily or permanently taken away from them. Permanent would still allow them to influence the game but mafia would have less KP under their control, giving town a bigger advantage. And of course more people will be talking so they can try to figure out who the scum is.
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I like that idea would be a really good mechanic.
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I thought Damdred was the last mafia because Obi said he was a good shot but didn't shoot him and FecalFeast said Damdred was scum. The post at the end was supposed to be my legacy in case I died and Damdred lived.
The frustrating thing is I think we would've won if I just immediately claimed the shot on Obi.
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I shot Sho. I forgot to send in a shot d1 or I would have rng'd a shot. Sorry I have been busy.
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Interesting finish. Yeh I knew it was plotspot once down to the final two.
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I'll take a draw.
Works for me.
Ty for carry plot.
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On August 09 2015 08:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
If there's ever a Cannons III, I'll probably add in a vote mechanic. I feel like at the least it would discourage people to lurk and there would be some more information to draw from (I tried to keep shooting mechanics hidden but then there wasn't much information to go off of in general)
Regarding the mechanic itself... I like your idea Damdy, and maybe have it the opposite instead as an alternative. So each day you vote for someone to have their cannon temporarily or permanently taken away from them. Permanent would still allow them to influence the game but mafia would have less KP under their control, giving town a bigger advantage. And of course more people will be talking so they can try to figure out who the scum is.
Yea this would be a nice idea to try. I'd hoped I could get people talking a bit more but like n00b pointed out in obs in this format there is just so little incentive for town to cooperate and communicate.
On August 09 2015 07:42 plotspot wrote:
Your load on N7 kinda surprised me TT, I was supposed to be out of defends after I defended on N6, so I was sure you were gonna shoot to possibly win or pull a draw.
Similarly I didn't expect you to load N8, I thought for sure you would either try to shoot me for the draw or defend against one of my 2 shots
You made a good call about my bluff to shoot you earlier in the game, I was kinda suspect of you because of the sudden shift in your thinking D1 (really bad plan, to really good thinking about what mafia needed to do) but wasn't quite trusting my own read. I tried to point it out in case anyone else might pick up on it, but yea with most of town not really wanting to talk it was easy for you to look pretty towny just by discussing stuff.
Just wondering, was anyone scum reading me this game? It seems like plots was the only one to try and shoot me...
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It really didn't help that the game started during a full week of business meetings, but thanks Tictock for shooting me.
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