TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden

On July 03 2015 06:34 Blazinghand wrote:
ok, my trip is turning out to be a shitshow, so

We start on July 5th

On July 06 2015 06:13 Blazinghand wrote:
yes, this game starts in like 45 minutes

On July 06 2015 09:21 geript wrote:

You better start caring because you're not going to lynch him because I don't get to play with him often and we're both town. So find a different lynch to push.

On July 07 2015 00:10 Palmar wrote:
boxer is town

On July 07 2015 03:55 marvellosity wrote:

do you think he might have reason to be reading you wrongly?

On July 07 2015 03:56 Damdred wrote:


neither, I'm dead right again.

On July 07 2015 04:03 Half the Sky wrote:


Do you think this makes either of us (KSC or myself) mafia? Do you find any of the above cited's scumreads on you reasonable?

I am assuming you understand why you are being scumread. It's not for shits and giggles.

On July 07 2015 04:06 Half the Sky wrote:


So you don't have to post much, but providing simple reads with simple explanations doesn't mean we're (or at least I) am scumreading you for having a short filter. A short filter is not why I'm scumreading you.

You had the 1 in 3 post which some took issue with. My prior argument where you can still be confident on a scumread doesn't require you have a large filter.

On July 07 2015 04:10 Harkon wrote:

No, it is not. He either plays and is towny or he dies. This is not a pure pressure vote.

On July 07 2015 04:15 Harkon wrote:

Why would you claim this early without even trying to get townread instead? Not buying it.

On July 07 2015 04:19 Vivax wrote:


Somehow in every game your wife is always an argument, I think it's time she starts playing mafia.

On July 07 2015 04:22 Vivax wrote:
Remember a vague graph of how most pregnanies go to shit. Which isn't the case for you, don't wanna scare you. In fact I'll gratulate you to your luck. Now can you play mafia or do you have to talk to her belly for the next 6 hours?

On July 07 2015 04:25 Clarity_nl wrote:


There's just wasn't anything to talk about in regards to ritoky, he hasn't done anything. Marv asked for sheeples and I obliged.

Your association logic is absurd. We're not even halfway into day 1... and he just claimed 1-shot vig, lol

On July 07 2015 04:33 Harkon wrote:
So ritoky sees his wagon growing after basically not playing the game so far and his immediate response as town is to claim cop? He is rendering his role useless without even trying to convince anyone. This is so bad.
He is probably mafia trying to buy himself time knowing that he will never have to prove himself.

On July 07 2015 04:35 Harkon wrote:

Why did you claim without trying anything else first?

On July 07 2015 04:37 Harkon wrote:
Ritoky, can you tell me with a straight face that people should have townread you for your play prior to the claim?

On July 07 2015 04:40 Clarity_nl wrote:


Who do you want to lynch?

On July 07 2015 04:41 Harkon wrote:

Then I don't get why instead of playing the game you just decide to claim like a moron.

On July 07 2015 04:46 KelsierSC wrote:


how many votes did you have on you before you claimed?

On July 07 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote:


This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia.

Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread?

On July 07 2015 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who is hf talking to in that quote ritoky?

On July 07 2015 13:58 ritoky wrote:


This is a good post. This post should be answered. Unfortunately for HF he would make this post as either alignment so he only gets half the credit he deserves for it.

On July 07 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:
In the event that I'm wrong about LightningStrike, answering this question would be the most harmful thing I could possibly do for town. And I guess I'm not convinced enough about LightningStrike to do that. If it means I get lynched for it, so be it.

On July 07 2015 15:14 Trfel wrote:
I was scumreading LightningStrike.

Then, I changed my read on him to town.

Something about those questions changed the read back to scum, and the actual reasons that he was scum were the initial things I was scumreading him for.

On July 08 2015 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
everyone seems to be dodging hts like a leper

On July 08 2015 03:39 ruXxar wrote:


I don't see why those are the only 2 options.
I already gave a reason why I don't want to vote for you.

As for HTS: in my interaction with her in the thread I didn't get a vibe of scumminess, more like genuine curiosity.
Haven't had time read her filter in detail but that's my initial feelings.

On July 08 2015 03:41 marvellosity wrote:
good news: i'm kinda here

bad news: i'm here because i abandoned my workout because i was feeling nauseous so i'm not up to much

from this page i gather we're congregating on ritoky/hts. was milo abandoned for some reason? i really don't have the energy to read anything.

On July 08 2015 03:45 Harkon wrote:

We still have a few hours. There is no need to be dramatic right now.

On July 08 2015 04:00 Half the Sky wrote:


...and this.

##unvote
##vote milo109

On July 08 2015 04:20 marvellosity wrote:
milo/ritoky - any restrictions on when you can use your role?

On July 08 2015 04:29 Clarity_nl wrote:


More of this please ritoky

On July 08 2015 04:34 Harkon wrote:

This is just not true.

On July 08 2015 04:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Well 2 Cop claims is very unlikely esp because ritoky claims 1 shot cop Milo 2 shot cop it still doesn't make sense to have two of the same role except different limitations on them with can only be used once or twice respectively but even then I find it highly unlikely they both cops with limitations on how often they can use their power.

On July 08 2015 04:49 Clarity_nl wrote:


I'm just saying mafia can make this post, the post in itself does not make mafia.

But I do think ti looks desperate. I agree town doesn't always does what it should but this whole "I'm town, lynching confirmed town is better than no-lynching" is very likely to come from scum.

On July 08 2015 04:54 Holyflare wrote:
anyone wanna do some crazy shenanigans onto people that nobody has mentioned for ages? :D

On July 08 2015 04:55 scott31337 wrote:


He'll be roleblocked/killed anyway - why would it matter two shot one shot? I don't see the reasoning here. He looks scummier then you.

On July 08 2015 04:56 Holyflare wrote:


well that's the problem you see, i dunno!

On July 08 2015 04:58 Harkon wrote:

Even if both of you are town this is completely irrelevant because none of you will ever get a check off unless we get incredibly lucky.

On July 08 2015 05:03 boxerfred wrote:
oh wait it is lol if there's a counter claim ritoky's fucked.

On July 08 2015 05:04 geript wrote:
I'm kinda tempted to leave them both alive and tell them to check one another.

On July 08 2015 05:11 geript wrote:
Clarity_nl
Vivax
Bill Murray
Meapak_Ziphh
Trfel
ObiWanShinobi
Damdred
rsoultin
XEliteBlueHunter69X

I still think I'd rather lynch Damdred or Bill Murray. Damdred doesn't seem to be thinking anything like how he thinks as town and BM is a great fall back if we don't want to lynch into claims. Of the claims, I think Ritoky's the better lynch.

On July 08 2015 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
ok while we are afk voting mz can someone please actually fucking converse with me about rsoultin and not give shitty reads that just say "no", nothing even answered anything I asked for

On July 08 2015 06:08 Breshke wrote:
Anyone wanna summarise the last 40 pages for me

On July 08 2015 13:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I have literally 0 interest in even discussing MZ anymore.
I don't care. You can resolve it amongst yourselves.

Clarity is mafia. Discuss.

On July 08 2015 14:38 ritoky wrote:


i can see this.

On July 08 2015 14:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly I was going to go for Clarity because the reasoning behind almost all of his votes was completely awful.
I guess that works too.

Show me where it happened and why it's scummy?

On July 07 2015 04:57 Clarity_nl wrote:
This is absurd. ritoky if you're town this is retarded and when you come back you need to put some effort in and give us some reads.

I kinda don't want to lynch you but that's just cause I'm a pussy

Since kp won't go down if we lynch scum is it the mechanical play to let him live at least 1 day so that if he's town, scum either kills him or they have to use a RB?

On July 08 2015 00:25 Clarity_nl wrote:


It's literally only the claim that makes me not lynch him today. I definitely think he's not 100% scum so the mechanical play for me is to let him live at least today, probably tomorrow too, then reevaluate if needed. That way if he is town he might show it, and if he is town then scum might have to deal with him anyway

On July 08 2015 00:27 Clarity_nl wrote:


I mean if he's town and mafia wanna roleblock him two nights in a row that's great for town.

On July 08 2015 00:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
EBWOP OP states that if roleblocked it gets refunded.

On July 08 2015 01:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
ritoky train doesn't feel very magical to me

On July 08 2015 01:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
##Vote ritoky


....choo choo

On July 08 2015 14:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Well marv told him to sheep him.
Which is usually enough for almost anyone, so I don't know if that read flip is as damning as I first thought.

On July 08 2015 06:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Consolodating on mz okay gotcha

##Vote Meapak_ziphh

On July 08 2015 06:28 Clarity_nl wrote:



I'm actually willing to switch back to ritoky if there's enough people around.

On July 08 2015 15:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Still doesn't really seem that weird.

On July 08 2015 15:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I rethought it and I think that it could be.

On July 09 2015 08:30 Damdred wrote:
Jk can be offensive and defensive shrug, I really could care more but I won't fuck town over completely by leaving no reads

On July 09 2015 12:07 Damdred wrote:


How do you know it didn't exactly?

On July 09 2015 13:05 geript wrote:
Sorry Ritoky, but you're actually the perfect mafia player to deliver 1 KP. No town player with half a brain roleblocks a claimed cop without a magic read.

On July 09 2015 13:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I agree.

On July 09 2015 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Scum might have a vig.

On July 08 2015 04:40 milo109 wrote:
No restrictions I dont think

On July 09 2015 14:25 Clarity_nl wrote:


So this is the only world that can be true in:

Scum kp palmar + ritoky.
damdred JK > ritoky
Scum roleblock > milo

That's the conclusion I got to too, it's the whole basis of my case. Milo does not recognize this is the only world that exists for town!milo other than scum having two roleblockers, which he himself says is not possible.

How can you say both you and milo are cops and then expect scum to shoot palmar+marv and give one of you guys a check.

They would only do this if they were able to roleblock both of you, which is only true if damdred is mafia roleblocker.

You should absolutely not want to lynch outside of the claims.

On July 09 2015 14:32 Clarity_nl wrote:



In your scenario, scum doesn't know damdred the town JK is gonna JK rit.

On July 09 2015 14:38 Breshke wrote:
Rit why would scum let you get the check and not milo. I think most people here would think you could yell better than him.

On July 10 2015 05:17 milo109 wrote:
Here we go again:

Town
Marvellosity
geript
ritoky
Breshke
Oatsmaster
Damdred

Mafia
Scott31337
Holyflare
boxerfred
Clarity/MZ
One of the many others.
People I can't read because they play.. oddly
rsoultin
LightningStrike

On July 10 2015 05:21 milo109 wrote:
I've had you scum since Day 1. I hate the way you're playing. Honestly, you seem easy to read as scum to me. Maybe I'm wrong and you're town and you appear more towny as a scum player. You've been trying to push the conspiracy worlds of me being Mafia even if Damdred is town.

Obviously if Damdred flips framer then we lynch Ritoky. But that is like a .1% percent chance. It would be mildly good for town.

On July 10 2015 05:28 milo109 wrote:
Ritoky,





Because he uses this read too. And it's dumb.

On July 10 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote:


mafia could have shot you and jat could be mafia fake claiming the hit which lynches town jk damdred and probably milo after that (who could be town, yet super unlikely) thus they never expected you to get saved and had to make up some bs

less than 0% chance but probably like 5%

On July 10 2015 05:09 ritoky wrote:
Random thought as I am catching up right now. Don't people usually ping out LS as mafia for basically doing nothing? Hasn't he done nothing since the end of d1? Also, does anyone know any of his reads at all, cuz I don't....

On July 10 2015 05:35 Harkon wrote:

Not possible. If you have a problem with the notification ask the mod - I am sure he will tell you veterans get a notification after being hit.

On July 10 2015 05:42 Clarity_nl wrote:


If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well.

On July 10 2015 05:50 ritoky wrote:
Hey milo, can you make an accusation on one of your other scum reads instead?

On July 10 2015 05:56 Clarity_nl wrote:


So a scenario in which damdred is JK, harkon is vet and milo is scum:

1 kp on marv
1 kp on harkon
damdred JK > ritoky
scum RB > ritoky
milo claims he was roleblocked.

Tah dah, a scenario where damdred is town and it all fits.


Like I don't believe it's the case, but it's possible, just saying.

On July 10 2015 06:03 Damdred wrote:
Hi guys, so I think we should move votes off me and onto Milo or Rsoultin, maybe lightning strike

On July 10 2015 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:
I wont let you guys lynch me that easily.

On July 10 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:

Rolf I am the 2 Shot Gunsmith I already gave someone a gun I wont name them and if they are reading this: Don't claim that you have a gun.

On July 10 2015 06:14 Damdred wrote:
Smh anyway I can't fully explain last night night actions to an extent.

On July 10 2015 06:13 milo109 wrote:


Sorry. Lots to address. Who is BF? Am I blanking? Anyway. The case on Scott..

I only just started and I found this gem,


He slight town reads everybody but Holyflare. Odd. The only person he calls scum is rsoultin, OWS and I. Millions of town leans can be indicative of mafia.



He lobs a softball to MZ, and then says this later,



Why? He offered Ziphh another day to play. Why did he want to switch back?

Also... Why does no one call Scott on TMI? -_- I'm not, because I think it's a dumb argument. But you notice that they only used the TMI on me.

And then his latest post is an attempted catch on me that is dumb.

On July 10 2015 06:22 milo109 wrote:

I mean. I don't have much to work with with him. I also hate filter dives.

On July 10 2015 09:46 Holyflare wrote:
Much ded many afk

Nobody even talked about rsoul even though ritoky asked and i presented a case?

On July 10 2015 11:20 Holyflare wrote:
I mean. Her whole premise of every scum read seems so like it's clutching at straws.

Her d1 scum read of ruxxar (queen of tone reads scum reading this guy after last game is baaaaaaaaad) is based on the phrasing of one post. Her scum read on me is for nothing that I even can comprehend because she keeps pushing useless stuff like it means something??

And

That

Is

All
Her

Scum reads

Lolololol

On July 10 2015 10:53 milo109 wrote:
What discussion? I agree that rsoultin needs to be considered. By the time we have the next lynch, we will have much more information though.

On July 10 2015 11:57 milo109 wrote:
First of all, if I got shot that would be fantastic. Second of all, I have all the night phase to update my reads after Damdred's flip. Third of all, I don't know what else to give. My reads haven't changed over the last three hours. Oh and fourth, god knows if I'm even close to correct.

On July 08 2015 15:03 rsoultin wrote:
look ruxx i attempted to get you to engage with me. you refused.

you claim to be asking me questions that i not only already answered, but after i said as much you said you were trying to convince everyone ELSE which by definition means you didn't give a flying shit what i responded in the first place

maybe this is some en masse hf channeling thing where all "townies" think tunneling and sniping at players is the same as questioning them/pressuring them, but if you want me to actually address your concerns (lol concerns ><)

1. actually phrase them in a way where it's not obvious you've already made up your mind
2. actually read my responses to the questions you've already asked and i've already answered
3. engage with me on your other reads cause you won't convince me i'm scum, and you're not posting in a way that would actually help determine my alignment; you're flat-out tunneling

case and point? you literally have no other scumreads right now

like i don't see how this is townplay, but obviously i'm biased

(btw it's not thread derailment to call shit reasoning and pretend "questioning" shit. you already revealed your hand by saying you weren't trying to engage with me in the first place. also, kindly don't refer to your paraphrasing as "fact" that's just ridiculous)

i'll try to get a reads list up tonight at least lol ><

On July 10 2015 12:02 milo109 wrote:
rsoul Sigh. Town. Hate myself
Breshke Sigh. Town
kelsier Sigh. Town
waveofshadow mafialean
vivax mafialean
boxer Mafia
trfel town

On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:


do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?

go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims

i've answered all your leading questions already

i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me

i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?

lol ><

On July 08 2015 05:18 Blazinghand wrote:


Milo109 (7): rsoultin, Scott31337, Holyflare, KelsierSC, Harkon, ruXxar, Half the Sky
ritoky (7): Palmar, Bill Murray, Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, marvellosity, geript, boxerfred
Trfel (2): XEliteBlueHunter69X, Vivax
Half the sky (2): milo109, ritoky
Scott31337 (1): Breshke
Clarity_nl (1): Damdred

Not Voting (5): WaveofShadow, Meapak_Ziphh, Trfel, LightningStrike, ObiWanShinobi

Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)

On July 08 2015 05:43 Blazinghand wrote:


Meapak_Ziphh (7): Holyflare, ObiWanShinobi, geript, marvellosity, ruXxar, Harkon, ritoky
ritoky (6): Palmar, Bill Murray, Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, boxerfred, trfel
Milo109 (4): rsoultin, Scott3133, KelsierSC, Half the Sky
Trfel (2): XEliteBlueHunter69X, Vivax
Clarity_nl (2): Damdred, Meapak_Ziphh
Scott31337 (1): Breshke
Half the sky (1): milo109

Not Voting (2): WaveofShadow, LightningStrike

Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)

On July 08 2015 06:31 Blazinghand wrote:


Meapak_Ziphh (16): Holyflare, ObiWanShinobi, marvellosity, ruXxar, Harkon, ritoky, scott31337, boxerfred, Vivax, Half the Sky, milo109, WaveofShadow, LightningStrike, rsoultin, Clarity_nl, breshke
ritoky (4): Palmar, Bill Murray, Oatsmaster, trfel
Clarity_nl (2): Damdred, Meapak_Ziphh
Bill Murray (1): geript
Milo109 (1): KelsierSC
Trfel (1): XEliteBlueHunter69X

Not Voting (0):

Currently, Meapak_Ziphh is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

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On July 08 2015 07:01 Blazinghand wrote:


Bill Murray (17): geript, Holyflare, rsoultin, Clarity_nl, Damdred, Scot31337 Half the Sky, Ritoky, Breshke, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, Meapak_Ziphh, Harkon, marvellosity, ruXxar, boxerfred, ObiWanShinobi
Meapak_Ziphh (3): Vivax, milo109, WaveofShadow
ritoky (4): Palmar, Bill Murray, Oatsmaster, trfel
Trfel (1): XEliteBlueHunter69X

Not Voting (0):

Currently, BM is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

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On July 10 2015 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:


Damdred (16): XEliteBlueHunter69X, scott31337, Harkon, Half the Sky, rsoultin, WaveofShadow, ruXxar, LightningStrike, geript, Boxerfred, Meapak_Ziphh, KelsierSC, ObiWanShinobi, trfel, marvellosity, clarity_nl
Milo109 (2): Holyflare, Breshke
Clarity_nl (1): Damdred
Holyflare (1): Milo109

Not Voting (2): vivax, ritoky

Currently, Damdred is set to be lynched. With 23 alive it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends at Friday, Jul 10 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

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On July 10 2015 10:57 ritoky wrote:
What was the goal of your play there Damdred? On the off chance you're town, what reaction or information were you hoping to gain from that claim?

On July 08 2015 00:39 Damdred wrote:


You
Trfel
Wave

I wanted to lynch LS earlier, but idk it could be a bad read based on a meta hes trying to break i'd rather give him the night so i can look into his actions a bit more.

On July 12 2015 02:11 Harkon wrote:
Did you ever out your shitty reason for milo? I see no reason not to.

On July 09 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote:
This post is the reason why I really think milo is also a cop:

Someone was bugging him about limitations on his shots and he responded:



I am afraid to explain it much more than that cuz of rules.

On July 12 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:


hey, rit...what's your meta read on scott? i went through his games earlier and couldn't find anything definitive one way or the other

On July 12 2015 02:22 Harkon wrote:
But anyways. We will deal with him tomorrow - if there is a vig shoot MZ instead.

Why do you think MZ could be town btw, ritoky?

On July 08 2015 09:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I'm on page 123, he hasn't had any posts that gave me serious concern that I remember. Null town? I feel like he had a post where he shared some suspicions I had.

On July 08 2015 09:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I think rsoultin is probably town and I also think the RS/HF dispute is green on green.

idk about LS, not really on my radar but probably worth a read through when I finish.

On July 12 2015 02:21 Harkon wrote:

Sorry, but that's really a shitty reason.

On July 23 2015 11:31 Alakaslam wrote:

I'm an example of this as well. I knowingly treat women differently. I try to accommodate the likely slight difference in preferences from me, though I am aware that it may be counter to what is actually preferable.

This is unconscious in the moment, even though I am aware it happens.

On July 23 2015 11:37 Alakaslam wrote:

Hijole sson

On July 23 2015 11:49 Alakaslam wrote:

Not exactly

I just am not that close to anyone at all. as for the letters of chupazi, it's just a take on chutzpah and some kid saying "Gehazi" while I was thinking about it, BH reminded me of this with his recent use of the real word. I use it, and hijole, as enigma words.

Enigma words are fun, if done right. Chupazi has been overdone for a while but that's part of the fun itself, creating paradox which is also fun.

as for sexual and relational stuff, I have been broken-hearted too quickly too often. I am not easy with such sayings anymore.