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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 06 2015 17:23 GMT
#1141
On July 07 2015 01:46 Holyflare wrote:
LS, i'm holding you to a high standard this game. You need to make it up to everyone after last game anyway apparently. SO, tell me all of your reads and why you think them and how things are going down.

Lol you're such a dick
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 06 2015 17:26 GMT
#1142
On July 07 2015 02:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 02:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 07 2015 01:46 Holyflare wrote:
LS, i'm holding you to a high standard this game. You need to make it up to everyone after last game anyway apparently. SO, tell me all of your reads and why you think them and how things are going down.

Town:
Damdred even if he's wrong on my alignment he actually putting work into this game.
HTS: Miller Claim.
rsoultin: Tone reads town but I can be wrong on her.
Vivax: Really trying to get people to look at his thing on Geript and looks townie for it.
Boxerfred: Seems like Town again this game he's playing similar to how he played our last game together.
KSC: Playing very similar to how he played in our last game when he was town pushing the thread a lot.
Oatsmaster: Although i dislike how he not explaining why those posts make people scum he seems to play similar to the last newbie game he played in when got lynched in LYLO.
Harkon: Seems to have some good points here and there
Clarity_nl : Decent content and tried to get his thoughts down to the thread.
Scott: Had some decent questioning but my weakest townread here.
Null:
Geript: Seems angrier than his town game could he be scum this game?
Holyflare: Bleed Town damn it I not going to let you pocket me this game.
milo: Not really posting much
Breshke: Seems okay on filter wise but his reasoning for the sheep is pretty lackluster.
Meapak: No posts since the /confirm
XEliteBlueHunter69X: No posts since the /confirm
BM: Claiming Wandering Townie but no posts after that.
OWS: Small filter but not nothing really to go on.
Ritoky Only drive by posts so far.
rux: Seems weird this game with him saying don't let me mislynch and stuff just seems odd.


a few questions

1.in what way is hf not bleeding town for you?


2.Boxerfred: "Seems like Town again this game he's playing similar to how he played our last game together."
I want you to put more detail into this and explain this

3. a few missing people here who have made posts, marv, wave etc but you don't have them anywhere and instead have people who havent posted









1. He seems to be joking and around a lot early and doing some work which I know he can do as scum
2. His early posting with his claims and stuff seems very similar to how posted day 1 when he got lynched.
3. Forgot about Wave and marv. Slight town on Marv he seems happy this game. Wave prob town I sheeping Geripts read on him since they can soul read each other.


no with point 2 I actually want you to take parts from both the games and explain to me how they are similar,

also you missed out a read on trefl and palmar, palmar i understand you forgetting but a trefl read is important

Null on Trfel I can see some of it from him being town because Mafia Down Under 2 when he cased the host in LYLO under the ground that HTS was a communist and in Carol he haven't posted till End of Day 1 but on the other hand some his posts seems weird on wording. Palmar he had a funny opening but he seems somewhat serious this game so maybe town just wish he posted more.
On Boxer: Some of his complaining about how many pages in the game we already were which he did conplain about in our last game together. He also this game actually somewhat cased Clar which is townie in itself.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 06 2015 17:27 GMT
#1143
On July 07 2015 02:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 01:46 Holyflare wrote:
LS, i'm holding you to a high standard this game. You need to make it up to everyone after last game anyway apparently. SO, tell me all of your reads and why you think them and how things are going down.

Lol you're such a dick

You prob didn't see how hard I threw at LYLO in my last game as town.....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22061 Posts
July 06 2015 17:29 GMT
#1144
I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes.

Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 06 2015 17:31 GMT
#1145
On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote:
I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes.

Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick.

1) Trfel has not started doing a little bit of something.
2) Posting useless drivel should also not make him more town to you.
3) Ruxxar seems pretty towny to me.
4) Geript is way more likely to be dick as town.

Conclusion: I disagree with this post in it's entirety. It is astonishing.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22061 Posts
July 06 2015 17:31 GMT
#1146
This whole Trfel thing HF brings up is more along the lines of "BUT YOU AREN'T PLAYING THE GAME THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO, LYNCH" like the last two games where I did exactly that at the beginning of the game for the most part, to demonstrate how prevalent this shitty heuristic is.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 06 2015 17:32 GMT
#1147
On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote:
I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes.

Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick.


then why on earth did you ever want to sheep trfel read in the first place?? This is the most bs post ever dude
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 06 2015 17:34 GMT
#1148
On July 07 2015 02:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 02:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 07 2015 01:46 Holyflare wrote:
LS, i'm holding you to a high standard this game. You need to make it up to everyone after last game anyway apparently. SO, tell me all of your reads and why you think them and how things are going down.

Town:
Damdred even if he's wrong on my alignment he actually putting work into this game.
HTS: Miller Claim.
rsoultin: Tone reads town but I can be wrong on her.
Vivax: Really trying to get people to look at his thing on Geript and looks townie for it.
Boxerfred: Seems like Town again this game he's playing similar to how he played our last game together.
KSC: Playing very similar to how he played in our last game when he was town pushing the thread a lot.
Oatsmaster: Although i dislike how he not explaining why those posts make people scum he seems to play similar to the last newbie game he played in when got lynched in LYLO.
Harkon: Seems to have some good points here and there
Clarity_nl : Decent content and tried to get his thoughts down to the thread.
Scott: Had some decent questioning but my weakest townread here.
Null:
Geript: Seems angrier than his town game could he be scum this game?
Holyflare: Bleed Town damn it I not going to let you pocket me this game.
milo: Not really posting much
Breshke: Seems okay on filter wise but his reasoning for the sheep is pretty lackluster.
Meapak: No posts since the /confirm
XEliteBlueHunter69X: No posts since the /confirm
BM: Claiming Wandering Townie but no posts after that.
OWS: Small filter but not nothing really to go on.
Ritoky Only drive by posts so far.
rux: Seems weird this game with him saying don't let me mislynch and stuff just seems odd.


a few questions

1.in what way is hf not bleeding town for you?


2.Boxerfred: "Seems like Town again this game he's playing similar to how he played our last game together."
I want you to put more detail into this and explain this

3. a few missing people here who have made posts, marv, wave etc but you don't have them anywhere and instead have people who havent posted









1. He seems to be joking and around a lot early and doing some work which I know he can do as scum
2. His early posting with his claims and stuff seems very similar to how posted day 1 when he got lynched.
3. Forgot about Wave and marv. Slight town on Marv he seems happy this game. Wave prob town I sheeping Geripts read on him since they can soul read each other.


no with point 2 I actually want you to take parts from both the games and explain to me how they are similar,

also you missed out a read on trefl and palmar, palmar i understand you forgetting but a trefl read is important

Null on Trfel I can see some of it from him being town because Mafia Down Under 2 when he cased the host in LYLO under the ground that HTS was a communist and in Carol he haven't posted till End of Day 1 but on the other hand some his posts seems weird on wording. Palmar he had a funny opening but he seems somewhat serious this game so maybe town just wish he posted more.
On Boxer: Some of his complaining about how many pages in the game we already were which he did conplain about in our last game together. He also this game actually somewhat cased Clar which is townie in itself.


On July 07 2015 01:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 01:08 Vivax wrote:
On July 07 2015 01:07 Holyflare wrote:
On July 07 2015 01:07 Vivax wrote:
On July 07 2015 01:05 Holyflare wrote:
lol i don't see a game where trfel has ever posted nothing for so long and it's hilarious that people keep defending him for it


You're wrong, there was a game where he was town and actually didn't post jack all day long until EoD.


and that game's name was?


I think it was his first normal after the game where I coached him.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=Trfel

if you're talking about carol that's the most disingenuous read ever


thoughts on this?

I disagree with your boxer read, that looks fabricated to me but...last game you had an interesting d1 aswell so keep playing and we shall see
Zerg for Life
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22061 Posts
July 06 2015 17:34 GMT
#1149
On July 07 2015 02:31 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote:
I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes.

Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick.

1) Trfel has not started doing a little bit of something.
2) Posting useless drivel should also not make him more town to you.
3) Ruxxar seems pretty towny to me.
4) Geript is way more likely to be dick as town.

Conclusion: I disagree with this post in it's entirety. It is astonishing.


1) He posted some scumreads.
2) No and it shouldn't make him mafia to anyone either.
3) The sky seems pretty green to me.
4) But is he likely to ignore his scumreads in a list and instead comment on two random people he didn't mention before to defend Wave and then the thing Palmar pointed out?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 06 2015 17:36 GMT
#1150
No it's not like that at all. Trfel is a consistently logical and well thought out player that posts a lot of what he thinks and is very opinionated ALWAYS. You can't possibly find a game in the database where he has ever opened like this at all. It doesn't exist. I have also played as mafia and try harded enough to experience the burnt out effect of mafiarollingitis. This looks like classic burnt out mafia rolling mafia again.

That's not even the whole thing. You can see when he does actually try and start to contribute his posts ask circular questions that never meant to receive an answer that makes sense:

On July 06 2015 16:25 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 16:18 Trfel wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:17 Breshke wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:15 Trfel wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:14 Breshke wrote:
Trefel what are you doing?
Not much, why?


I ment like in the thread i thought you had an angle. But then you started asking questions so meh.
I had something in mind, but it didn't actually show anything.

On July 06 2015 16:14 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:13 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, do you think that Holyflare is scum?


not particularly xP
Now, if only I knew your alignment....


As you can see here. No matter what you answered his reply would always be the same. It's a redundant circular question meant to appear contributary but actually just clutters the thread incessantly drawing us away from actual important things.


It's not a thought process, it's literal questions for the sake of asking questions.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 06 2015 17:36 GMT
#1151
On July 07 2015 02:34 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 02:31 Harkon wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote:
I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes.

Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick.

1) Trfel has not started doing a little bit of something.
2) Posting useless drivel should also not make him more town to you.
3) Ruxxar seems pretty towny to me.
4) Geript is way more likely to be dick as town.

Conclusion: I disagree with this post in it's entirety. It is astonishing.


1) He posted some scumreads.
2) No and it shouldn't make him mafia to anyone either.
3) The sky seems pretty green to me.
4) But is he likely to ignore his scumreads in a list and instead comment on two random people he didn't mention before to defend Wave and then the thing Palmar pointed out?

2) Then why would you stop sheeping the case on him based on that?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 06 2015 17:36 GMT
#1152
xP
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22061 Posts
July 06 2015 17:36 GMT
#1153
On July 07 2015 02:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote:
I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes.

Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick.


then why on earth did you ever want to sheep trfel read in the first place?? This is the most bs post ever dude


Didn't realize he started posting at least some reads when I wrote that. I basically assumed he only had 1 page of filter.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22061 Posts
July 06 2015 17:37 GMT
#1154
You people are trying to force me to read him one way or another and I won't do that. Bugger off. Let him play some more first, I want to kill geript.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 06 2015 17:39 GMT
#1155
If by forcing you to read him one way or another you mean presenting logical and well thought out facts that counter your made up heresay facts from carol that ended up not even being true then sure.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 06 2015 17:39 GMT
#1156
On July 07 2015 02:37 Vivax wrote:
You people are trying to force me to read him one way or another and I won't do that. Bugger off. Let him play some more first, I want to kill geript.

No, us people are questioning your nonsensical switch from "I am sheeping this" to "I am not sheeping this anymore" based on posts that you admit should not make you townread him.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 06 2015 17:40 GMT
#1157
On July 06 2015 15:26 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 15:22 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:19 Trfel wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:17 Holyflare wrote:
Uh oh trfel
Hm?


It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss.


I will never back down from this busread. It's far too similar to what I used to experience and what I would be posting in that situation.

You can read the thread all you want but just get this in your head. All the effort you can muster for this second game in a row will be futile. Have fun


On July 06 2015 16:00 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 06 2015 15:55 Trfel wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:54 Holyflare wrote:
Hey, your vote means nothing anyway right? What harm is it following me for a bit?
I thought you were never ever going to change your read on me no matter what?


Who says my vote will be changing and why would that matter?

I know it's hard man. I feel your pain i really do. You're in the trolling and pointing out irrelevant crap for the sake of it part of the mafiarollingitis waiting for a scummy post or your motivation to reappear. It will happen later but it's already too late for you. Rest dear boy. Your time shall come again next game.


On July 06 2015 16:37 Holyflare wrote:
I also have no idea why you repeatedly jump to people's defences before they even speak for themselves. Not only does it inhibit people playing the game and getting their groove on but it constantly gives the people under pressure multiple outs and feelings of less pressure. Back off and go to bed. You're messing with things you don't understand.


On July 06 2015 16:44 Holyflare wrote:
What shitty logic "i know this guy best so just stop playing the game that you play where you have no information and instead of quizzing people and letting them post I'll just disregard it and blindly defend them!"

There's a reason people seemingly ignore your posts and that's the majority of the reason why.


"you're 100% scum no matter what you do hahaha"
"shut up bitch stop interfering with my quizzing"

not only was that blatant misrepresentation of what i was doing, but it started with me saying this? like, seriously?

On July 06 2015 16:23 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 16:21 Breshke wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:19 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:14 Breshke wrote:
But nah rsoul i like damdys read so meh

I jsut don't see how you said "keep pretending this is what my problem is" when from the initial post you didn't say anything about damdred and i later explained that i voted not for my own reason but for damdreds.

Trefel what are you doing?


i missed the vote

like you say early votes mean jack shit, and it was just to show how much you agreed with damdy's point. that's a pretty damn strong agreement, and wasn't the impression i got when i first read your posting. i don't get why you think damdy calling ls lazy a few pages into the game is good, certainly not that good

so basically it comes down to strength of agreement


Okay i follow.

You were right in your last post when you said you dont care to pursue this i jsut became really bored with it aswell.

Watcha think of trefel and why isn't HF trying to get you to vote him


xP could get that from reading the thread

i've already said i doubt trfel is scum (tone! \o/) and hf isn't an imbecile lol >< i'm stubborn as hell


On July 06 2015 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
or maybe he's already forgotten how stubborn i am, after all lol ><

pretty sure that wasn't the purpose of those questions hf xP but i'm not going to speak for him


pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain that all i was saying there was i didn't agree, and he comes back with:

On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.


so not only is hf misrepresenting me, but he's going out of his way to be a dick about it at the same time, and if this is his idea of just "pressuring" or "quizzing" someone, it's sure not coming through in his posts

i'm not usually this fucking paranoid, but after last game when hf and bugs spent d1/n1 deliberately shitting on me and trying to throw me on tilt...especially with how well we usually get along when he's town, i highly doubt this is town hf and i really don't care if the rest of you are too chicken shit to push him

i'm tired of getting nkd and watching hf win

again

and again

has trfel posted anything amazing? no. does that make him scum? no. i read him by his off-brand of humor and a few other indicators...i usually get a solid read on him within his first page of filter. i'm good at it. i don't give a damn if you question him, but hell if you're going to bully me into shutting up by slinging shit at me, hf
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 06 2015 17:41 GMT
#1158
yeh what a useless post again
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 06 2015 17:42 GMT
#1159
On July 07 2015 02:41 Holyflare wrote:
yeh what a useless post again

you are the master of useless posts
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 06 2015 17:42 GMT
#1160
it's also pretty convenient you miss out these posts in your crappy narrative:

On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.


lol wow you really don't get it, do you?

truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP

it's actually a fucking towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there

but keep barking about it


On July 06 2015 16:39 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 06 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote:
And at what point does it look like he's taking his time to read the thread at all? 0 of his points are orientated to this thread. If they are they are certainly picked out of the weirdest topics with 0 relevance. He actually has 1 point about the first post in the game.

I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise.


^^ i understand what you're trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><)

and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you

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