EPTTried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
maybe a little more than you'd think? i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument. but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote: Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him? Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything I like his progression regarding his read on me. | ||
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Harkon
569 Posts
On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote: Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him? Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything When I read his stuff day1 I thought he was town but I don't really remember why. The oneliner thing is retarded but he made the same argument in his last game as town. On July 13 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote: maybe a little more than you'd think? i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument. but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on. Ok. Reasonable I guess. Tbh I am kinda hoping he gets modkilled soon. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On July 13 2015 19:54 Breshke wrote: kels what was your meta read on me it's based on your tone and the early vote. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On July 13 2015 20:16 Clarity_nl wrote: I like his progression regarding his read on me. Ummm i actually don't mind this. Like i looked for this read progression and it was seriously nowhere like he scumreads you the entire game for from what i can tell is your early HF reactions but from what i can tell he flipped because of your milo case? He says you have also been reasonable but he first seems to like you because of the milo case. Im guessing the flip there is the progression you liked? | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On July 13 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: it's based on your tone and the early vote. early vote is a bad indicator IMO because that is based on more who is in the game | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On July 13 2015 20:35 Breshke wrote: Ummm i actually don't mind this. Like i looked for this read progression and it was seriously nowhere like he scumreads you the entire game for from what i can tell is your early HF reactions but from what i can tell he flipped because of your milo case? He says you have also been reasonable but he first seems to like you because of the milo case. Im guessing the flip there is the progression you liked? Without looking into filters it's about context I think. Apparently I was scummy d1 (whatever) but he wasn't pushing it cause there were scummier people. Then n1 he kinda went for me and then after all the claims he still thought I was scum but after my milo stuff he gave me a town lean, all makes sense to me. In general I just get the impression that boxerfred is trying to find scum. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 13 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote: maybe a little more than you'd think? i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument. but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on. Last engagement I had with Wave was him trying to figure out the scum amongst those who wanted him dead. I ran a few names by him - Vivax, BF, ruXxar (I think), Clarity, obv he didn't know the new people. Then he tried to get a read on me. And that was pretty much it. I know he says his scumhunting is that bad but is it really that bad? Even then I think EBH/Scott is the way to go over him. Why not consider them? Either of them? | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
I like what he's done so far. He's pretty towny to me. I would give you the finer points but I'm on my phone so meh. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 13 2015 21:01 Half the Sky wrote: Last engagement I had with Wave was him trying to figure out the scum amongst those who wanted him dead. I ran a few names by him - Vivax, BF, ruXxar (I think), Clarity, obv he didn't know the new people. Then he tried to get a read on me. And that was pretty much it. I know he says his scumhunting is that bad but is it really that bad? Even then I think EBH/Scott is the way to go over him. Why not consider them? Either of them? because i like EBH's posts more than I like Wave's. scott - maybe | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote: Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him? Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything That's the thing though, the first 2 games BF as town he actually IS all over the place with relatively longish periods of afk. From what I can tell esp from my exp in Not Themed is that he's not a great scumhunter and I'm getting the same impression here. Some of his posts are repetitive but it may partially have to do with the fact that everytime he's in thread he's catching up at least 40+ pages. If he's scum, it's not necessarily for that based on what I know of his gameplay. Also if you skim this filter from NSM10....that's BF's filter as scum. He's 1) more tryhard (tone but yeh) 2) more aggressive (presumably with perfect information so his agenda is set) and 3) tries to make himself look more townie by putting in more effort to substantiate pushes against townies who are playing more suboptimally. That's the impression I got. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=boxerfred As for Scott pointing out BF are you saying Scott potentially has TMI or Scott might be picking off what he might perceive an easy lynch? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 13 2015 21:07 marvellosity wrote: because i like EBH's posts more than I like Wave's. scott - maybe Can you tell me specifically which post(s) you feel are town? Because honestly all game I'm seeing the comments having the ability to come from either alignment. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On July 13 2015 20:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Without looking into filters it's about context I think. Apparently I was scummy d1 (whatever) but he wasn't pushing it cause there were scummier people. Then n1 he kinda went for me and then after all the claims he still thought I was scum but after my milo stuff he gave me a town lean, all makes sense to me. In general I just get the impression that boxerfred is trying to find scum. This makes a lot more sense now thankyou yes it sounds a lot better when you put it into context like that On July 13 2015 21:13 Half the Sky wrote: That's the thing though, the first 2 games BF as town he actually IS all over the place with relatively longish periods of afk. From what I can tell esp from my exp in Not Themed is that he's not a great scumhunter and I'm getting the same impression here. Some of his posts are repetitive but it may partially have to do with the fact that everytime he's in thread he's catching up at least 40+ pages. If he's scum, it's not necessarily for that based on what I know of his gameplay. Also if you skim this filter from NSM10....that's BF's filter as scum. He's 1) more tryhard (tone but yeh) 2) more aggressive (presumably with perfect information so his agenda is set) and 3) tries to make himself look more townie by putting in more effort to substantiate pushes against townies who are playing more suboptimally. That's the impression I got. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=boxerfred As for Scott pointing out BF are you saying Scott potentially has TMI or Scott might be picking off what he might perceive an easy lynch? If this is the game i think it is was this not his first game ever? Idk how much you can metaread someone from one game let alone their first. Other than that i like your explanation but when you say if hes scum does that mean you dont have him as a townlean but more like null? As for the scott comment i actually think it makes him look a little town because it he had the same thought I had while reading BF. I said it was intresting thought because it really isn't something that would make me flip my read though. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
These are the people that I feel have been invisible enough to be in that group. Trfel Wave Scott Kelsier Breshke Obi EBH What's common for all of them is that they never really got into any heavy confrontations that I can remember where they had to defend or push their view. It's easy for mafia to sit back and soft push people, throwing out names and accusations etc without really trying to push their view onto other people or fight back when they get confronted with their views. Coupled with low activity and little interest in playing as mafia I feel like there should definitely be at least 1 mafia here if not 2 or more. Of the people on that list I like EBH and Obi the most, mostly due to the interaction I've had with them. That's not a very strong point though. The rest are meh tier. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Even ignoring the scum meta, right now Breshke, it's only a slight townread on BF, which is why I said "if he's scum" because I could be wrong on him. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Wave/Scott/EBH have been thrown around for a while, right... Most veterans find Breshke easy enough to read tbh, the general sentiment amongst most that knew him was town. You might want to try and look at his filter. Or did you read it and were you not impressed? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 13 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote: not beyond what i've already said about him, no. it's not a strong read. Alright, fair. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On July 13 2015 21:41 ruXxar wrote: I really like the idea that someone brought up that a lot of mafia could be hiding among the lurkers when most of the lynches are "auto". These are the people that I feel have been invisible enough to be in that group. Trfel Wave Scott Kelsier Breshke Obi EBH What's common for all of them is that they never really got into any heavy confrontations that I can remember where they had to defend or push their view. It's easy for mafia to sit back and soft push people, throwing out names and accusations etc without really trying to push their view onto other people or fight back when they get confronted with their views. Coupled with low activity and little interest in playing as mafia I feel like there should definitely be at least 1 mafia here if not 2 or more. Of the people on that list I like EBH and Obi the most, mostly due to the interaction I've had with them. That's not a very strong point though. The rest are meh tier. What changed ruxxar? | ||
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