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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 13 2015 11:10 GMT
#5921
Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him?

Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2015 11:11 GMT
#5922
On July 13 2015 20:08 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 20:08 marvellosity wrote:
i'd rather kill wave than vivax.

How much do you want to kill wave though?

maybe a little more than you'd think?

i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument.

but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 13 2015 11:16 GMT
#5923
On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote:
Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him?

Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything


I like his progression regarding his read on me.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 13 2015 11:16 GMT
#5924
On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote:
Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him?

Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything

When I read his stuff day1 I thought he was town but I don't really remember why. The oneliner thing is retarded but he made the same argument in his last game as town.
On July 13 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 20:08 Harkon wrote:
On July 13 2015 20:08 marvellosity wrote:
i'd rather kill wave than vivax.

How much do you want to kill wave though?

maybe a little more than you'd think?

i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument.

but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on.

Ok. Reasonable I guess. Tbh I am kinda hoping he gets modkilled soon.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 13 2015 11:29 GMT
#5925
On July 13 2015 19:54 Breshke wrote:
kels what was your meta read on me


it's based on your tone and the early vote.
Zerg for Life
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 13 2015 11:35 GMT
#5926
On July 13 2015 20:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote:
Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him?

Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything


I like his progression regarding his read on me.


Ummm i actually don't mind this. Like i looked for this read progression and it was seriously nowhere like he scumreads you the entire game for from what i can tell is your early HF reactions but from what i can tell he flipped because of your milo case? He says you have also been reasonable but he first seems to like you because of the milo case. Im guessing the flip there is the progression you liked?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 13 2015 11:36 GMT
#5927
On July 13 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 19:54 Breshke wrote:
kels what was your meta read on me


it's based on your tone and the early vote.


early vote is a bad indicator IMO because that is based on more who is in the game
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 13 2015 11:43 GMT
#5928
On July 13 2015 20:35 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 20:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote:
Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him?

Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything


I like his progression regarding his read on me.


Ummm i actually don't mind this. Like i looked for this read progression and it was seriously nowhere like he scumreads you the entire game for from what i can tell is your early HF reactions but from what i can tell he flipped because of your milo case? He says you have also been reasonable but he first seems to like you because of the milo case. Im guessing the flip there is the progression you liked?


Without looking into filters it's about context I think. Apparently I was scummy d1 (whatever) but he wasn't pushing it cause there were scummier people. Then n1 he kinda went for me and then after all the claims he still thought I was scum but after my milo stuff he gave me a town lean, all makes sense to me.

In general I just get the impression that boxerfred is trying to find scum.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 13 2015 12:01 GMT
#5929
On July 13 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 20:08 Harkon wrote:
On July 13 2015 20:08 marvellosity wrote:
i'd rather kill wave than vivax.

How much do you want to kill wave though?

maybe a little more than you'd think?

i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument.

but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on.


Last engagement I had with Wave was him trying to figure out the scum amongst those who wanted him dead. I ran a few names by him - Vivax, BF, ruXxar (I think), Clarity, obv he didn't know the new people. Then he tried to get a read on me. And that was pretty much it.

I know he says his scumhunting is that bad but is it really that bad?

Even then I think EBH/Scott is the way to go over him. Why not consider them? Either of them?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 13 2015 12:02 GMT
#5930
I don't think boxerfred is the right direction to go in.
I like what he's done so far. He's pretty towny to me.
I would give you the finer points but I'm on my phone so meh.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2015 12:07 GMT
#5931
On July 13 2015 21:01 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
On July 13 2015 20:08 Harkon wrote:
On July 13 2015 20:08 marvellosity wrote:
i'd rather kill wave than vivax.

How much do you want to kill wave though?

maybe a little more than you'd think?

i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument.

but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on.


Last engagement I had with Wave was him trying to figure out the scum amongst those who wanted him dead. I ran a few names by him - Vivax, BF, ruXxar (I think), Clarity, obv he didn't know the new people. Then he tried to get a read on me. And that was pretty much it.

I know he says his scumhunting is that bad but is it really that bad?

Even then I think EBH/Scott is the way to go over him. Why not consider them? Either of them?

because i like EBH's posts more than I like Wave's. scott - maybe
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 13 2015 12:13 GMT
#5932
On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote:
Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him?

Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott
. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything


That's the thing though, the first 2 games BF as town he actually IS all over the place with relatively longish periods of afk. From what I can tell esp from my exp in Not Themed is that he's not a great scumhunter and I'm getting the same impression here. Some of his posts are repetitive but it may partially have to do with the fact that everytime he's in thread he's catching up at least 40+ pages. If he's scum, it's not necessarily for that based on what I know of his gameplay.

Also if you skim this filter from NSM10....that's BF's filter as scum. He's 1) more tryhard (tone but yeh) 2) more aggressive (presumably with perfect information so his agenda is set) and 3) tries to make himself look more townie by putting in more effort to substantiate pushes against townies who are playing more suboptimally. That's the impression I got.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=boxerfred

As for Scott pointing out BF are you saying Scott potentially has TMI or Scott might be picking off what he might perceive an easy lynch?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 13 2015 12:14 GMT
#5933
On July 13 2015 21:07 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 21:01 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 13 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
On July 13 2015 20:08 Harkon wrote:
On July 13 2015 20:08 marvellosity wrote:
i'd rather kill wave than vivax.

How much do you want to kill wave though?

maybe a little more than you'd think?

i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument.

but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on.


Last engagement I had with Wave was him trying to figure out the scum amongst those who wanted him dead. I ran a few names by him - Vivax, BF, ruXxar (I think), Clarity, obv he didn't know the new people. Then he tried to get a read on me. And that was pretty much it.

I know he says his scumhunting is that bad but is it really that bad?

Even then I think EBH/Scott is the way to go over him. Why not consider them? Either of them?

because i like EBH's posts more than I like Wave's. scott - maybe


Can you tell me specifically which post(s) you feel are town? Because honestly all game I'm seeing the comments having the ability to come from either alignment.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 13 2015 12:16 GMT
#5934
not beyond what i've already said about him, no. it's not a strong read.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 13 2015 12:27 GMT
#5935
On July 13 2015 20:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 20:35 Breshke wrote:
On July 13 2015 20:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote:
Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him?

Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything


I like his progression regarding his read on me.


Ummm i actually don't mind this. Like i looked for this read progression and it was seriously nowhere like he scumreads you the entire game for from what i can tell is your early HF reactions but from what i can tell he flipped because of your milo case? He says you have also been reasonable but he first seems to like you because of the milo case. Im guessing the flip there is the progression you liked?


Without looking into filters it's about context I think. Apparently I was scummy d1 (whatever) but he wasn't pushing it cause there were scummier people. Then n1 he kinda went for me and then after all the claims he still thought I was scum but after my milo stuff he gave me a town lean, all makes sense to me.

In general I just get the impression that boxerfred is trying to find scum.


This makes a lot more sense now thankyou yes it sounds a lot better when you put it into context like that

On July 13 2015 21:13 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote:
Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him?

Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott
. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything


That's the thing though, the first 2 games BF as town he actually IS all over the place with relatively longish periods of afk. From what I can tell esp from my exp in Not Themed is that he's not a great scumhunter and I'm getting the same impression here. Some of his posts are repetitive but it may partially have to do with the fact that everytime he's in thread he's catching up at least 40+ pages. If he's scum, it's not necessarily for that based on what I know of his gameplay.

Also if you skim this filter from NSM10....that's BF's filter as scum. He's 1) more tryhard (tone but yeh) 2) more aggressive (presumably with perfect information so his agenda is set) and 3) tries to make himself look more townie by putting in more effort to substantiate pushes against townies who are playing more suboptimally. That's the impression I got.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=boxerfred

As for Scott pointing out BF are you saying Scott potentially has TMI or Scott might be picking off what he might perceive an easy lynch?


If this is the game i think it is was this not his first game ever? Idk how much you can metaread someone from one game let alone their first. Other than that i like your explanation but when you say if hes scum does that mean you dont have him as a townlean but more like null?

As for the scott comment i actually think it makes him look a little town because it he had the same thought I had while reading BF. I said it was intresting thought because it really isn't something that would make me flip my read though.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 13 2015 12:41 GMT
#5936
I really like the idea that someone brought up that a lot of mafia could be hiding among the lurkers when most of the lynches are "auto".
These are the people that I feel have been invisible enough to be in that group.

Trfel
Wave
Scott
Kelsier
Breshke
Obi
EBH

What's common for all of them is that they never really got into any heavy confrontations that I can remember where they had to defend or push their view.
It's easy for mafia to sit back and soft push people, throwing out names and accusations etc without really trying to push their view onto other people or fight back when they get confronted with their views.
Coupled with low activity and little interest in playing as mafia I feel like there should definitely be at least 1 mafia here if not 2 or more.

Of the people on that list I like EBH and Obi the most, mostly due to the interaction I've had with them.
That's not a very strong point though.
The rest are meh tier.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 13 2015 12:46 GMT
#5937
You're right, it was his first game and only one as scum, but those are the main contrasts that jumped out at me.

Even ignoring the scum meta, right now Breshke, it's only a slight townread on BF, which is why I said "if he's scum" because I could be wrong on him.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 13 2015 12:51 GMT
#5938
ruXxar, Trfel wa getting pretty hard pushed by people at points and he then pushed back against Holyflare, although at somewhat random times. What do you make of that?

Wave/Scott/EBH have been thrown around for a while, right...

Most veterans find Breshke easy enough to read tbh, the general sentiment amongst most that knew him was town. You might want to try and look at his filter. Or did you read it and were you not impressed?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 13 2015 12:52 GMT
#5939
On July 13 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
not beyond what i've already said about him, no. it's not a strong read.


Alright, fair.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 13 2015 12:55 GMT
#5940
On July 12 2015 08:20 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2015 08:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 12 2015 08:13 ruXxar wrote:
On July 12 2015 07:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyone here want to talk about Day 4 lynches?


What are your thoughts? You want to lynch HF?

Yes I want to lynch HF Day 4 if I alive by that point. Any people you want to lynch Day 4?


Rsoul, Vivax, Trfel.


On July 13 2015 21:41 ruXxar wrote:
I really like the idea that someone brought up that a lot of mafia could be hiding among the lurkers when most of the lynches are "auto".
These are the people that I feel have been invisible enough to be in that group.

Trfel
Wave
Scott
Kelsier
Breshke
Obi
EBH

What's common for all of them is that they never really got into any heavy confrontations that I can remember where they had to defend or push their view.
It's easy for mafia to sit back and soft push people, throwing out names and accusations etc without really trying to push their view onto other people or fight back when they get confronted with their views.
Coupled with low activity and little interest in playing as mafia I feel like there should definitely be at least 1 mafia here if not 2 or more.

Of the people on that list I like EBH and Obi the most, mostly due to the interaction I've had with them.
That's not a very strong point though.
The rest are meh tier.


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