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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:29 GMT
#4225
On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align....


mafia could have shot you and jat could be mafia fake claiming the hit which lynches town jk damdred and probably milo after that (who could be town, yet super unlikely) thus they never expected you to get saved and had to make up some bs

less than 0% chance but probably like 5%
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:31 GMT
#4228
On July 10 2015 05:30 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align....


mafia could have shot you and jat could be mafia fake claiming the hit which lynches town jk damdred and probably milo after that (who could be town, yet super unlikely) thus they never expected you to get saved and had to make up some bs

less than 0% chance but probably like 5%


Wait wait wait. If he is fake claiming a hit and Damdred is JK I'm like confirmed town. Get outta here. I'm not scum if Damdred flips scum and scum if Damdred flips town.


if damdred flips town you've been projecting it 24/7 but you completely exclude the brackets where i say you could be town in this situation anyway and you think i'm mafia so who gives a shit
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:32 GMT
#4232
but milo keeps making all these wifom 5% scenario's slowly climb up each time he posts
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:34 GMT
#4237
On July 10 2015 05:33 ritoky wrote:
HF, thoughts on this:

Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:09 ritoky wrote:
Random thought as I am catching up right now. Don't people usually ping out LS as mafia for basically doing nothing? Hasn't he done nothing since the end of d1? Also, does anyone know any of his reads at all, cuz I don't....


i'm not gonna lie he played awfully last game and did the exact same thing, afk'd for like 24 hours came back and said something super obvious and left again
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:35 GMT
#4238
On July 10 2015 05:33 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:31 Holyflare wrote:
you think i'm mafia so who gives a shit


How is this the best player who has ever played on the site. O.o This is such an anti-town phrase. Down with people who refute arguments with well you're wrong on me.


who cares if it's an anti town phrase, you should be responding to my post where i point out your blatant lies to the thread
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:36 GMT
#4242
but surviving due to having an extra night life (like being a Veteran) are notified.


it does say it but that's irrelevant anyway
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:36 GMT
#4245
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=212#4222

respond to this milo because it quite blatantly points out your lapse in logic
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:39 GMT
#4248
On July 10 2015 05:38 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:35 Harkon wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:31 ritoky wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align....


mafia could have shot you and jat could be mafia fake claiming the hit which lynches town jk damdred and probably milo after that (who could be town, yet super unlikely) thus they never expected you to get saved and had to make up some bs

less than 0% chance but probably like 5%


Yeah I just looked at op and saw no save notification, so possible.

Not possible. If you have a problem with the notification ask the mod - I am sure he will tell you veterans get a notification after being hit.


He is talking about the world where you're mafia knowing a save happened on marv or me and since no save notifications you made wifom play and claimed vet who got shot. Low % world that is unlikely, but possible.


ohh you mean save notifications for non vets okkkk
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:40 GMT
#4250
On July 10 2015 05:38 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
your blatant lies to the thread



Is anyone else reading this? You said even if Damdred flipped town I 'could' be town, but it would be 'super unlikely'. Thus, it is super likely I am scum if Damdred flips town. Stop screaming everytime I even mention a problem in what you say. Whether or not you're town or mafia, it makes discussing points unpleasant.


You know what's unpleasant? Knowing you're 100% mafia and having to listen to you write all of these posts that require responding to.

Dispute the case that I just presented to you.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:40 GMT
#4251
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=212#4222
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:43 GMT
#4259
On July 10 2015 05:41 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=212#4222

respond to this milo because it quite blatantly points out your lapse in logic


There is no lapse in logic. I said I had you as scum day 1. You said I did it for wrong reasons. That's an opinion, not fact, unlike my statement.


There is lapse in logic. You said you scum read me for a reason which was wrong. I corrected that reason and you agreed. You still scum read me for that reason. You also did not have mz in your list of scum reads but you became so suddenly certain that MZ was mafia that you decided to base everything off of that. You ignore the fact that i'm pushing the majority of your scum reads and still scum read me. You can say "oh but mafia can push their buddies" like you did last time but there is absolutely no way that you think i'm mafia with both HtS AND rsoulting. No way. It doesn't make sense.

You then say that even though I was pushing your scum list and the reason you originally scum read me for disappeared that I'm still scum anyway because my play is so obvious? What is so obvious about it and what makes it so scummy since you know, pushing your list of scum reads doesn't sound scummy to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:45 GMT
#4263
On July 10 2015 05:44 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote:

You know what's unpleasant? Knowing you're 100% mafia and having to listen to you write all of these posts that require responding to.

Dispute the case that I just presented to you.


The fun of this game is being able to argue your point of view out over those you think are scum. Not using hyperbole and hysterics to attempt to derail any conversation. You can't know I'm 100% mafia, because I'm not. Even if you were cop and had a red check on me, you still could not be certain due to the framer. So do me and the rest of town a favor and be willing to consider that 1% .1% chance that I'm town.


actually I can and do but carry on responding to me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:46 GMT
#4265
no there are several other ways
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:47 GMT
#4267
I can be 100% sure
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:48 GMT
#4269
I'm just waiting till he responds to all of the bs points he keeps spouting
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:49 GMT
#4275
On July 10 2015 05:49 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:48 boxerfred wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:47 Holyflare wrote:
I can be 100% sure

you will explain that after the game, right? assuming you're town ofc.

Let him bus milo in peace already, jeez.


you realise that if rsoultin and milo flip mafia you've been shutting me down from scum reading them at every turning point? i hope you do realise that
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:51 GMT
#4281
On July 10 2015 05:50 milo109 wrote:
Unless we are mafia partners or you are cheating, there is no way to know 100%.


what if i told you i was cheating and know you're mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:53 GMT
#4288
On July 10 2015 05:51 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:49 Harkon wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:48 boxerfred wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:47 Holyflare wrote:
I can be 100% sure

you will explain that after the game, right? assuming you're town ofc.

Let him bus milo in peace already, jeez.


you realise that if rsoultin and milo flip mafia you've been shutting me down from scum reading them at every turning point? i hope you do realise that

When did I ever shut you down from scumreading milo? What the fuck does rsoultin have to do with this?
Keep being unreasonable it will surely make me townread you.


started pushing the milo tmi situation which is true and you decide that citing the last game where that happened would be apt instead of discussing it, pushed rsoultin and you decided that just because you were afk you couldn't talk about her at all in the slightest even though mz was ninja voting and the wagon was decided

bla bla, i dislike playing with you for exactly these reasons because it happens every game and you're boring to play with because of it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:58 GMT
#4298
On July 10 2015 05:48 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:41 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=212#4222

respond to this milo because it quite blatantly points out your lapse in logic


There is no lapse in logic. I said I had you as scum day 1. You said I did it for wrong reasons. That's an opinion, not fact, unlike my statement.


There is lapse in logic. You said you scum read me for a reason which was wrong. I corrected that reason and you agreed. You still scum read me for that reason. You also did not have mz in your list of scum reads but you became so suddenly certain that MZ was mafia that you decided to base everything off of that. You ignore the fact that i'm pushing the majority of your scum reads and still scum read me. You can say "oh but mafia can push their buddies" like you did last time but there is absolutely no way that you think i'm mafia with both HtS AND rsoulting. No way. It doesn't make sense.

You then say that even though I was pushing your scum list and the reason you originally scum read me for disappeared that I'm still scum anyway because my play is so obvious? What is so obvious about it and what makes it so scummy since you know, pushing your list of scum reads doesn't sound scummy to me.


I think you have a misunderstanding of logic. I no longer scum read you because of that post. Logic is using facts to derive others. It's not about opinions. Unless I was blatantly lying, I had no lapse in logic. And I wasn't. I no longer think you are mafia with HtS and rsoultin. The thing about your play now is the way you stick by your reads even in the oddest of hypotheticals, in the weirdest of conspiracies, when common sense should tell you otherwise. Also.. this whole train of quotes is full of play that is either from the point of view of mafia, or a town that just wants to be called town instead of winning the game.


No. You DID scum read me because of that post even after I corrected you. It's in my case right there for all to see, the quote you used. What's wrong with me sticking by my reads? I think marv pointed out excellent points on MZ at night and it made me rethink my read on you and decide that from your perspective as someone in your SECOND game that coming up with "that was definitely a deflection off of mafia mz" before mz had even really done anything (and his posts weren't that bad at the time) made absolutely no sense in the slightest. That is your first instance of TMI.

Then, today, you fake claim on clarity and get a towny reaction from it and still call him mafia for nothing. You see damdred getting screwed over by Geript and in a world where you see JAT getting shot as veteran you STILL call damdred town????? It doesn't make sense at all. You seem to think that there is a veteran a banisher a jailkeeper and 2 cops and that's all been revealed in one/two cycles? Every post you make just oozes of you knowing what happened at night and making decisions based off of that. There is no confusion behind your posts.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 21:00 GMT
#4302
On July 10 2015 05:55 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:53 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:51 Harkon wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:49 Harkon wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:48 boxerfred wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:47 Holyflare wrote:
I can be 100% sure

you will explain that after the game, right? assuming you're town ofc.

Let him bus milo in peace already, jeez.


you realise that if rsoultin and milo flip mafia you've been shutting me down from scum reading them at every turning point? i hope you do realise that

When did I ever shut you down from scumreading milo? What the fuck does rsoultin have to do with this?
Keep being unreasonable it will surely make me townread you.


started pushing the milo tmi situation which is true and you decide that citing the last game where that happened would be apt instead of discussing it, pushed rsoultin and you decided that just because you were afk you couldn't talk about her at all in the slightest even though mz was ninja voting and the wagon was decided

bla bla, i dislike playing with you for exactly these reasons because it happens every game and you're boring to play with because of it

So bringing up an example where a case like yours was wrong is shutting you down now? Interesting. Currently you are the one who is unbearable.


You should know better than one event of it happening does not mean some other person doing it in another game in completely different circumstances means the same thing. Yet, whenever I post something you disagree with it's instant shit all over everything. "oh what's the point of this", "oh yeh that's shit", "oh no go look for yourself", "oh gosh you're unbearable", "oh look let that guy bus".
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