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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 02:59 GMT
#4501
On July 10 2015 11:57 milo109 wrote:
First of all, if I got shot that would be fantastic. Second of all, I have all the night phase to update my reads after Damdred's flip. Third of all, I don't know what else to give. My reads haven't changed over the last three hours. Oh and fourth, god knows if I'm even close to correct.


rsoul, breshke, kelsier, waveofshadow, vivax, boxerfred, trfel

here's a list of people who haven't done a whole lot today (compared to a lot of others). give reads on all of them, no null reads allowed, scum or mafia lean is the weakest you can give.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 10 2015 03:02 GMT
#4502
rsoul Sigh. Town. Hate myself
Breshke Sigh. Town
kelsier Sigh. Town
waveofshadow mafialean
vivax mafialean
boxer Mafia
trfel town
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:04 GMT
#4503
On July 08 2015 15:03 rsoultin wrote:
look ruxx i attempted to get you to engage with me. you refused.

you claim to be asking me questions that i not only already answered, but after i said as much you said you were trying to convince everyone ELSE which by definition means you didn't give a flying shit what i responded in the first place

maybe this is some en masse hf channeling thing where all "townies" think tunneling and sniping at players is the same as questioning them/pressuring them, but if you want me to actually address your concerns (lol concerns ><)

1. actually phrase them in a way where it's not obvious you've already made up your mind
2. actually read my responses to the questions you've already asked and i've already answered
3. engage with me on your other reads cause you won't convince me i'm scum, and you're not posting in a way that would actually help determine my alignment; you're flat-out tunneling

case and point? you literally have no other scumreads right now

like i don't see how this is townplay, but obviously i'm biased

(btw it's not thread derailment to call shit reasoning and pretend "questioning" shit. you already revealed your hand by saying you weren't trying to engage with me in the first place. also, kindly don't refer to your paraphrasing as "fact" that's just ridiculous)

i'll try to get a reads list up tonight at least lol ><


This post sticks out to me a lot in rsoul's filter, because it has absolutely no point and I don't understand the point of it.

The first part is actually a legitimate concern: "Hey this guy is asking me leading questions, giving 0 fucks about my replies, and just pushing an agenda"; followed by complaining, more complaining, a pot calling a kettle black cuz I don't really know rsoul's reads, then she discredits her entire post by saying "could be wrong cuz bias" (....doesn't town rsoul have more conviction than that?) and then caps it off with an undelivered promise of reads.

i just don't understand the post. it makes no legitimate attempt to place lynch pressure on ruxxar, doesn't really develop a read, doesn't definitively state anything, and then promises something that never happens...
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:05 GMT
#4504
On July 10 2015 12:02 milo109 wrote:
rsoul Sigh. Town. Hate myself
Breshke Sigh. Town
kelsier Sigh. Town
waveofshadow mafialean
vivax mafialean
boxer Mafia
trfel town


could you give a sentence about why on each? or am i pushing for too much here babycakes?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 03:05 GMT
#4505
On July 10 2015 12:02 milo109 wrote:
rsoul Sigh. Town. Hate myself
Breshke Sigh. Town
kelsier Sigh. Town
waveofshadow mafialean
vivax mafialean
boxer Mafia
trfel town


So rsoul is in your mafia list day 1
Rsoul afk's all day 2 and presents a wifom bomb post and afk's more and you are sigh town??
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:11 GMT
#4506
regarding the town rsoul having conviction:

On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.

HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.

The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.

Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.

Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?

go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims

i've answered all your leading questions already

i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me

i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?

lol ><
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 10 2015 03:12 GMT
#4507
The problem is not everyone can be mafia. I half wanted to put the entire list except for trfel as mafia, but that doesn't help much does it?

Rsoul: Has played in a immature fashion, but hasn't done anything about the claims at all. Which is weird. But towny. Besides.. Pretty sure she'll vote for HF. Can't go alienating my base, can I? How will I win the general election then?

Breshke: Can't remember anything of notice that Breshke did, but I remember having a vague town vibe on him earlier. He woulda been null if you allowed it.

Kelsier: Rsoul with less emoticons.

Waveofshadow: Makes weird posts, afks at bad times, and then comes back to pretend to be useful but not.

Vivax: Sheeping other people, I can't remember a single post this guy has made. Seems fine for a fifth member.

Boxer: Yo... Some of his posts are so odd though. He's one of those who think I'm mafia no matter what. Isn't willing to do what is best for town at the expense of looking away from me for a moment. Probably mafia.

Trfel: I've liked the guy for most of the game. Hasn't changed. Seems like a solid afk town.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:12 GMT
#4508
@HF: your vote is not on damdred last i checked, why? are you considering if he could be town making some derp plays or is it more to do with milo being more mafia?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
July 10 2015 03:29 GMT
#4509
@Milo -

Rsoul: Has played in a immature fashion, but hasn't done anything about the claims at all. Which is weird. But towny. Besides.. Pretty sure she'll vote for HF. Can't go alienating my base, can I? How will I win the general election then?

Tell me more about this and why you feel that way. She scumreads HF and will vote for him so you like her, is this correct?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 10 2015 03:29 GMT
#4510
pretty sure hf is mafia, all these irrelevant cases.
No gg, No skill.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:29 GMT
#4511
Sorry about this following brick of text, but I need to post it for me to look at for now and the future. Hopefully some conclusions to come from it.

On July 08 2015 05:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


Milo109 (7): rsoultin, Scott31337, Holyflare, KelsierSC, Harkon, ruXxar, Half the Sky
ritoky (7): Palmar, Bill Murray, Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, marvellosity, geript, boxerfred
Trfel (2): XEliteBlueHunter69X, Vivax
Half the sky (2): milo109, ritoky
Scott31337 (1): Breshke
Clarity_nl (1): Damdred

Not Voting (5): WaveofShadow, Meapak_Ziphh, Trfel, LightningStrike, ObiWanShinobi

Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)


On July 08 2015 05:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


Meapak_Ziphh (7): Holyflare, ObiWanShinobi, geript, marvellosity, ruXxar, Harkon, ritoky
ritoky (6): Palmar, Bill Murray, Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, boxerfred, trfel
Milo109 (4): rsoultin, Scott3133, KelsierSC, Half the Sky
Trfel (2): XEliteBlueHunter69X, Vivax
Clarity_nl (2): Damdred, Meapak_Ziphh
Scott31337 (1): Breshke
Half the sky (1): milo109

Not Voting (2): WaveofShadow, LightningStrike

Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)


On July 08 2015 06:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


Meapak_Ziphh (16): Holyflare, ObiWanShinobi, marvellosity, ruXxar, Harkon, ritoky, scott31337, boxerfred, Vivax, Half the Sky, milo109, WaveofShadow, LightningStrike, rsoultin, Clarity_nl, breshke
ritoky (4): Palmar, Bill Murray, Oatsmaster, trfel
Clarity_nl (2): Damdred, Meapak_Ziphh
Bill Murray (1): geript
Milo109 (1): KelsierSC
Trfel (1): XEliteBlueHunter69X

Not Voting (0):

Currently, Meapak_Ziphh is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)


On July 08 2015 07:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


Bill Murray (17): geript, Holyflare, rsoultin, Clarity_nl, Damdred, Scot31337 Half the Sky, Ritoky, Breshke, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, Meapak_Ziphh, Harkon, marvellosity, ruXxar, boxerfred, ObiWanShinobi
Meapak_Ziphh (3): Vivax, milo109, WaveofShadow
ritoky (4): Palmar, Bill Murray, Oatsmaster, trfel
Trfel (1): XEliteBlueHunter69X

Not Voting (0):

Currently, BM is set to be lynched. With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch. Day ends at Tuesday, Jul 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)


On July 10 2015 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count


Damdred (16): XEliteBlueHunter69X, scott31337, Harkon, Half the Sky, rsoultin, WaveofShadow, ruXxar, LightningStrike, geript, Boxerfred, Meapak_Ziphh, KelsierSC, ObiWanShinobi, trfel, marvellosity, clarity_nl
Milo109 (2): Holyflare, Breshke
Clarity_nl (1): Damdred
Holyflare (1): Milo109

Not Voting (2): vivax, ritoky

Currently, Damdred is set to be lynched. With 23 alive it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends at Friday, Jul 10 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .

Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
July 10 2015 03:35 GMT
#4512
It's interesting (and a point I did forget) that Rsoul voted for Milo first and HF voted for MZ first.
Those are the first things I see.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 10 2015 03:37 GMT
#4513
On July 10 2015 12:29 scott31337 wrote:
@Milo -

Rsoul: Has played in a immature fashion, but hasn't done anything about the claims at all. Which is weird. But towny. Besides.. Pretty sure she'll vote for HF. Can't go alienating my base, can I? How will I win the general election then?

Tell me more about this and why you feel that way. She scumreads HF and will vote for him so you like her, is this correct?


I feel like I'm in a therapy session. If you read the first two sentences you would see I like for more reasons as well. That helps though. I doubt I'll be able to lynch HF before I die, but it would be nice to have others to carry on my torch. I don't think her play earns her the right to be called town, but as I look back I like it. I'll do filter dives once in a while, but I won't elaborate much more than this on any read. I don't play that way. You can lynch me for it if you want. After all, the truth is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:39 GMT
#4514
@Damdred, after you answer this:

On July 10 2015 10:57 ritoky wrote:
What was the goal of your play there Damdred? On the off chance you're town, what reaction or information were you hoping to gain from that claim?


please answer this:

On July 08 2015 00:39 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 00:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 08 2015 00:35 Damdred wrote:
Honestly we should stop scatter gunning the conversation and focus on a couple of people to decide t o lynch, majority sucks honestly but we have to work within it.


So who's on your "ok to lynch" list other than me?


You
Trfel
Wave

I wanted to lynch LS earlier, but idk it could be a bad read based on a meta hes trying to break i'd rather give him the night so i can look into his actions a bit more.


What happened to this? Why have you mentioned literal 0 of these people today if this is your scum list from the previous day?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 10 2015 03:41 GMT
#4515
-shrugs-

i'm really not inclined to bother getting into yet another argument with people (read: hf;ruxxar) over the same old things that have already been explained

nor will i have caught up on the thread probably before eon 2

nope i haven't done much of anything. i'm busy (maybe you think i'm lying, and that's fine, your prerogative)...but more relevant is the simple fact that me being mostly afk is neither a town nor a scum tell for me, so pretending that's a good reason to scumread me is lolworthy

i could post the explanation again that people refuse to read

but in all honesty...in ALL honesty...if i allow myself to care that y'all aren't reading anything i post yet again this game, i'll just get frustrated and upset and i am attempting to keep the rampant frustration out of the thread right now

ruxxar is scum because he keeps pushing on me to answer questions i've already answered without caring what i actually respond with. he's scum because he's basically just an hf cheerleader. y'all may not be able to see it cause you're not reading anything i write either

but

he asked for it. he replied to it. and he still didn't read it. a lol i don't believe you, scum!soul is one thing, but instead he keeps asking the SAME FUCKING QUESTIONS for the hell of it. call that town all you want. if he actually gave a damn about what he was asking me he'd know i've answered him like 10 times this game already, not to mention actually looking through my filter for it

and no, i don't plan on playing much before the night phase (read: weekend)

if you don't like it, bite me
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 10 2015 03:42 GMT
#4516
Pretty sure that if we lynch the votes on BM in order of their voting excluding confirmed town, Damdred, and Marvel, we win the game.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:46 GMT
#4517
some things of interest to me from that list of votes at a glance:
- clarity and rsoul were slow onto MZ, but quick onto BM
- oats, trfel, and EBH had planted votes
- ruxxar and boxerfred are never near the front of any lynch

i have to take a break for a bit, but i will bang my head into walls of text more later hopefully.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 10 2015 03:48 GMT
#4518
oh, breshke also kinda fits in with ruxx and BF as late onto wagons
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 10 2015 03:49 GMT
#4519
On July 08 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:
okay ruxxar. i've explained it all, but not concisely and not politely because i'm not polite

but i'll do it solely to have it in one place and to say this is the last time i am going to discuss my trfel toneread or my interactions/read on hf, whether you keep ignoring that and tunneling with the same points or not

reasons i'm tonereading truffle town: lightness with me (i catch him as mafia early, see student v where i opened with pressure on truffle for his weird read on ls, and greymist's game), joking that matches his dry humor, grumbling at me for saying i thought he was town (look at it this way: as scum he should be happy that he gets an rsoul townread and finally broke my streak...as town it makes a lot more sense to be irritated that i'm still getting a read off him off very few posts), and yes, not wanting to give an opinion on something he hasn't looked at is actually towny cause truffle holds himself to ridiculously high standards and spends an inordinate amount of time combing through posts before coming to a decision <- all of these things are very personal that i realize other people don't know about him and mean more to me than others, so i didn't go into it, just as i didn't go into it with my early toneread on damdy in himalayas

the first exchange with hf: you're misrepresenting/misreading it. when hf first said he didn't need my opinion i let it go. i was actually discussing things with bresh and truffle when hf said "see, this post means his question to you wasn't trying to determine your alignment"...to which i responded that i didn't think that was the purpose of the question anyway and made a joke about hf forgetting how stubborn i was...he then basically told me to shut up and go into a corner and color, so yeah, i got pissed at him. i actually broke it off BEFORE the mod ever intervened, which frankly was probably for the post hf made right before the mod post...because that was ad hominem to a tee, basically saying no one gives a shit what i say because of my tonereads

subsequently: i came back to the thread scumreading hf because i'd had time to cool down and where he said he was questioning truffle, he actually was saying, and yes i'm paraphrasing "you're scum cause you have mafiaitis. nothing you can say or do will change my mind. you may as well give up". plus the way he just threw shit at me when i wasn't doing anything. usually we only shitfight when he's scum, and i JUST came off a game where he and bugs did that to deliberately put me on tilt cause i'm fiery -_- i kept trying to get people to see what i was seeing and he kept on trying to say i was defending truffle and everyone else was taking that up, and it was supremely frustrating that people kept not understanding what i was trying to say...that hf never intended to get a read off truffle in the first place

that continued with ignoring the fact that truffle was quizzing ls between the time of his townread and scumread on ls and had said he was writing something on him, instead just going hey! look! nothing has happened between these reads! me saying he's not reading was his clue to go back and read. hts did it. she saw it. hf should have. he preferred to fight me instead

the only reason i left off hf was his point on truffle's case all coming from before he dropped the townread was actually good. i even tried to explain what my issue with him was more concisely, which works better when i'm not angry. it's still weird to me that he thinks telling someone they're scum and he won't ever change his mind is pressure, but i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment since yeah, even if he's scum not gonna lynch him d1 like ever >< was more productive to discuss reads

but here i come back to the thread and he's back to jumping on me for nitnoidisms

as for you, you're just parroting him like you two are butt buddies, and it feels a lot like being double-teamed...deja vu bugs and hf...plus i KNOW that you've seen i do this toneread thing and am willing to fight for it regardless if the so-called "evidence" when it comes to an actual lynch; see: GB, so why you find it so weird i'm doing it again this game i can't fathom

most of this i've already said

now i will ignore you unless you talk about something else or are actually willing to talk reads instead of whining about me being pissed at your misrepresentation and inattentiveness

was that polite enough?




also, yeah...i didn't get through the thread @.@ i'd just post a reads list, but it would only be for the sake of posting it cause it's outdated

i really don't like hf still, or ruxx (though this could be OMGUS i'm willing to admit), and damdy felt off to me, too, but i want to read the section of the day i missed that had people scumreading him before i come to a judgment on that

beyond that i think bresh/truffle/marv/geript are top townies for me...would add palmar to that but lol my track record with palmar >< someone else can read him


^ the post that no one reads

hf is still mafia. keep pretending that the only reason i'm scumreading you is for you not wanting to lynch almost confirmed mafia rb even after it's obvious he's almost confirmed mafia rb. that's just the icing on the cake

i said i didn't like ruxxar's post for wording that didn't seem natural. that's a far cry from saying he must be scum for it...the scumread comes from him being parrot!ruxx just echoing whatever godhf says, misrepresenting my play, and worse of all these, constantly asking the same questions over and over while demonstrating he's clearly not reading my responses which DID address those questions
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 10 2015 03:50 GMT
#4520
Based on that I have a new town list.
Confirmed:xP
Oats
Trfel
EBH
Ritoky
Scumdred
geript
LS
Harkon. Sigh.
Marvel
Ruxxar

My lynch order:
HF
Boxer
Clarity
Scott
Vivax
WoS
MZ
HtS
OWS
Kelsier
Breshke
Whoever I forgot
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