EPTOn July 09 2015 21:10 Harkon wrote:
There is no world where milo is mafia and damdred isn't.
There is no world where milo is mafia and damdred isn't.
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Harkon
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Holyflare
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milo109
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On July 09 2015 21:52 milo109 wrote: Hey look. Scum setting up their next mislynch. hey. What do you think of EBH | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
At this point if you are town, you just pray real hard that mafia night kills you. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
He has no intention of actually following through and lynching clarity. Look at how fast he drops the claim. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Harkon
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On July 09 2015 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Also having a JK and banisher seems really unlikely since they are very very similar roles. meh, it's a big game. IF we have a real Jailkeeper he shouldn't claim though because we will lynch damdred anyways. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
this is really much simpler than y'all are making it even ignoring that the best people at reading damdred were having trouble/scumreading him this game (not to be confused with the usual range of scrubs who can't get a read on him), it's still very simple jat's claim - no scum benefit to claiming vet here. if damdy is town jk scum can get him lynched anyway without taking the risk of a claim + the way he's been talking since EoD reeked of extra info rather than it coming out of the blue like "hey, what if i do this, guys? hehehe!" both kp accounted for if ritoky wasn't shot and he's town, he was roleblocked, or scum are completely inept jk doesn't protect one of the two contested cop claims in this scenario. 30 mins before EoN and in a hurry or not. just no -_- it's more valuable to leave them alone in case if by some miracle they can get a check, or hope scum is stupid enough to resolve the dispute for town by killing one 9 times out of 10 damdred is scum here. probably more like 19 out of 20 xP as a sidenote: - we have hf wanting to lynch milo over damdred when damdred is like 95% mafia rb and there are a ton of blue claims, plus nks on palmar/harkon strong suggestion one of the "bigs" is scum - if two mafia rbs ever flip lynch ruxxar with fire for tmi believable claims: geript (suspecting damdy the whole time, and he reads damdy similarly to how i do so chances are his reads are just as good), harkon (see above), ritoky is cleared if (when) damdred flips scum, flipped banisher milo most likely scum flailing fifth scum is most likely a low impact player keeping their head low | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 09 2015 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Also having a JK and banisher seems really unlikely since they are very very similar roles. From a setup standpoint, I think it's just problematic in general that when scum have 2 default kp (esp night 1) that three KP-stopping roles are in play (I believe Harkon's claim and I had been toe reading him) I know marv you brought up disputing the "too many blue role" argument. The reason I brought that up is that even with limited use of PR power at what point does a 5-man mafia team become vulnerable to mass claiming? (And no assassin in this game) I know JAT brought that up in the Himalayas obs qt as a criticism of the Assassination game and if we were at a point in the game where - let's say all roles were true - boom now you have all these mass claims. IDK. But from a pure claim analysis standpoint, (yes I am considering individual behaviours and have and separately) but you just have to wonder at what point certain types of abilities (2kp < 3 prots?) (amount of information from 2 dts vs number of RBs, etc etc) start to not make sense. I realise it's all wifomy but I just wanted to get it out there - am I missing something? I have not used limited power roles (except Veteran) in my games and I know when I worked with (then cohost) BH on TL LXX he has talked about limited shot roles but to use then extensively I do not have the knowledge on balancing that out. If you or geript can comment on that it might help. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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LightningStrike
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On July 09 2015 23:04 LightningStrike wrote: Should I sheep you on this thing on Damdred Tina? 100% it's not quite the same as HF's red check, but if there's one thing i'm fucking amazing at it's evaluating claims, and i see absolutely no scum benefit for harkon to fakeclaim vet here | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 09 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote: 100% it's not quite the same as HF's red check, but if there's one thing i'm fucking amazing at it's evaluating claims, and i see absolutely no scum benefit for harkon to fakeclaim vet here this doesn't take a genius | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
The way i see it we lynch damdred and hardon is around D3 or we lynch milo and either geript or ritoky is around D3 probably ritoky as he seems to be busy. So yeah damdred is probs a better lynch today | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
JK action N1, as Oats said should be a defensive one. I know in Himalayas, a scummer WAS JKed offensively but that individual (or I should say the original individual) was also likely mistakenly townread, that was more coincidence than intentional. But I feel that Damdred is exp enough he should know how to JK. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
the red check on hf last game was more clear-cut, but with harkon's claim and the other blue claims, i'm pretty confident he's scum independent of the early heebie jeebies he was giving me | ||
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Harkon
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I was about to say this. Not to insult rsoultin but why on earth does LS need rsoultin to sheep her on this. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On July 09 2015 23:08 Breshke wrote: Rsoul why do you specifically point out HF wants to lynch milo over damdred. If damdred is 95% scum then milo is basically 95% scum add on to that the weird way he handled damdreds claim i don't see a problem with lynching either of them. The way i see it we lynch damdred and hardon is around D3 or we lynch milo and either geript or ritoky is around D3 probably ritoky as he seems to be busy. So yeah damdred is probs a better lynch today because mafia rb xP thought that was obvious in my post but you know | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On July 09 2015 23:08 Half the Sky wrote: That all said, considering behaviour and all, the lynch should be Damdred. I just don't buy the explanation for JKing ritoky. I also very much believe ritoky's explanation for suggesting that a scum ritoky should be smart enough NOT to carry KP given the number of people scumreading him. JK action N1, as Oats said should be a defensive one. I know in Himalayas, a scummer WAS JKed offensively but that individual (or I should say the original individual) was also likely mistakenly townread, that was more coincidence than intentional. But I feel that Damdred is exp enough he should know how to JK. To add on to this if he wasn't sure what to do with his night action i don't see why he didn't jsut abstain since he only has 2 charges and i don't think he was in too much danger of getting NK'd nor was he at the top of peoples lynch lists so he probably could have gotten two more nights | ||
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