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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:14 GMT
#3378
On July 08 2015 23:14 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
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On July 08 2015 18:30 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 13:31 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 08 2015 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 08 2015 13:02 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I am confused as to why we lynched an easily confirmable role that had already claimed but I digress. I will share additional thoughts shortly.

So whats the difference between wanderer and scum carrying kp, or a scum doing other stuff?

Also we might not even have a tracker?


well the odds of a wanderer going somewhere that was KP'ed is incredibly slim in such a big game.

the question isn't whether we have the role or not, its the opportunity that we had the role.

Its just a very meh cop out lynch that could have been solved as the game went on. lynches are too valuable in large games like this where later in the game scum can actually swing and control them quite easily.

I'm terribly glad you showed all that care about it at the time then.

oh.

awks.


I apologize if it came off as whining, I was more trying to figure out why it happened but when we need such a large number to lynch I can see why in the heat of the deadline that people might just be like eh fuck it. My schedule didn't allow me to post yesterday until late at night but I don't like to use RL as an excuse.

I'm here on and off this morning I'm not that busy this morning at work if anyone has any questions

no questions, just some drive to actually solve the game or something would be lovely
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:15 GMT
#3381
On July 08 2015 23:14 milo109 wrote:
The only problem is if you lynch ritoky and he flips cop, you'll want to lynch me, and then town probably has no more cops. Now if he flips mafia, well that is big game.

fwiw i tihnk you are quite a bit townier than i thought you were towards end of day 1.

besides we can't not lynch someone because you'd get in trouble for it, and i think you know that
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:16 GMT
#3383
On July 08 2015 23:15 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 08 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:06 marvellosity wrote:
i somehow feel like i need to lead this town, but i don't feel like i have a good enough grasp on the game and i'm not really feeling the inclination to put in that much work.

what do


Is Damdred town? Normally I'd have a solid read on him at some point but I don't really have one right now and that bothers me.

I really don't know. I am particularly bad at reading Damdred. I'd say he was my worst read on TL Mafia right now.


i'm very good at reading damdy lol ><

my early issues with him were
- scumread on ls when it was too early to reasonably have one
- concentrating on limited things instead of taking a broader view of the game
- someone else mentioned he poe's by getting townreads first normally <- this is true...usually his cases come from looking into the people he hasn't already eliminated

another way i read him is by emotion in his posting, but that was actually okayish, so i was kinda waffling and then he expanded his view of the game

i'm pretty confident i can read him on a filter dive? just need to actually get to it @.@

i scumread him for this before and he was town. point 2 maybe, point 3,meh...

if you could filter him before daybreak, i'd be very grateful, i want to know what you think + why
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:17 GMT
#3384
On July 08 2015 23:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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On July 08 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
i also still think ritoky is mafia.


I'd be more willing to discuss him if he survives the night.

i probably won't be here then


:/
I'm trying to come up with things to discuss in regards to him but I can't get past the claim.

in this game all mafia should be claiming a 1 or 2 shot role if they are in danger of being lynched. 1 shot being the easiest.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:19 GMT
#3386
i actually really like the setup with 1/2 shot stuff, because it makes it much easier for mafia to fakeclaim. i approve of this.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:19 GMT
#3388
On July 08 2015 23:18 milo109 wrote:
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On July 08 2015 23:15 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:14 milo109 wrote:
The only problem is if you lynch ritoky and he flips cop, you'll want to lynch me, and then town probably has no more cops. Now if he flips mafia, well that is big game.

fwiw i tihnk you are quite a bit townier than i thought you were towards end of day 1.

besides we can't not lynch someone because you'd get in trouble for it, and i think you know that

Yeah. I'll vote for him. But if he does flip town, mafia are in a perfect spot.

mafia in good spot when town lynches town shocker
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:24 GMT
#3396
On July 08 2015 23:22 Breshke wrote:
People keep mentioning scott but no one seems to actually look into him.

I had a look at his EoD earlier. And I asked myself whether it was TMI, or just a townie who thought the wanderer claim was sound. I came down on the latter side, but without much conviction so i didn't mention it. something about the 98% comment. i don't know.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:25 GMT
#3399
On July 08 2015 23:25 Harkon wrote:
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On July 08 2015 23:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:22 Breshke wrote:
People keep mentioning scott but no one seems to actually look into him.


It's because his filter is boring and nobody wants to read it.

^

that would suggest mafia though, so people probably should
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:28 GMT
#3402
does anyone feel like i'm spamming too much/making the game unreadable? i have a really large filter but i don't think it's obstructive
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:48 GMT
#3418
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:49 GMT
#3420
On July 08 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:
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On July 08 2015 21:35 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 21:26 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 21:21 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 21:06 marvellosity wrote:
But if you compare his filter here with his filter in Himalaya where he was town you'll clearly and fast find lots and lots of differences.

Better if you explain what those differences are, rather than just stating they exist



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On June 17 2015 21:01 KelsierSC wrote:
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On June 17 2015 20:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 20:40 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 17 2015 20:34 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:
LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it.

On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.

Kel is a town lean.

I'm town, this is a good start

Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.


This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more.
Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here.

On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:
current state of the thread:

[image loading]

more updates to come.

choppa 4 on the scene.

Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?


stuff is happening?

Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance.


Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process.


I also want to know what you think about shockeyy.

I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly.


well this is interesting. I completely disagree with this I think his posting has been terrible.

I think the list post with everyone on it and 1/2 words was scummy , he didn't read what damdred had posted and when he got called out on it he tried to cover up. In fact when the pressure went on him he went pretty defensive imo.

It is strange that you like his content when.

On June 17 2015 07:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:
On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI

I'm town

Really anyone can just claim town you know -_-


On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o


derp.


LightningStrike already giving himself away again?...


On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm
KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole
Bill Murray - idk
ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa
ShoCkeyy - Town
Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt.
Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol.
Damdred
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On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum


On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:
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On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.

Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any


seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit

you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating


Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.

I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.

Kel is just a maybe town.

I know I'm town obviously

I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that


you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town?
There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.


There are two types of people that play mafia

1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care
2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta

LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree.

As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish.

He's town to me at this juncture.


So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum?

Also can you answer this?
On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:
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On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:
current state of the thread:

[image loading]

more updates to come.

choppa 4 on the scene.

Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?


Give it a day or two...

Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them...


You posted afterwards but never responded to this.

NydusHerMain - Town?
Fidei86
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On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ...


Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again?

On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.


I better see poking this game

Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm
Mig - waiting
GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games.
LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes)
wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole
VayneAuthority - Not much
boxerfred - First post is what?

Going to leave now, in-laws are in town.


you need to give me more than you like his content and it is "okayish" it feels like you didn't even read him at all...


Okay I just reread his filter in Witchcraft and he actually now looked worse than I thought I knew something seemed off and it's his list post reasoning seemed worse the ones he did in Witchcraft like I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment(Check my past games Shockeyy) but outside of his list post he seemed to look but not exactly townie atm though.


look... what? I think you edited a word out.

So I asked you to give a read on shockeyy..you said he looked okay without reading him properly? that seems very strange.
Also this makes no sense to me.

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I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment


you don't like his lost post or his reasons but you felt his reason for scum reading you is genuine? His reasoning is that he is playing like he did last game, but now you are saying that isn't true...


On June 17 2015 21:32 KelsierSC wrote:
So I'm going to give where I'm at in the game so far.

Town

Damdred - I liked his posting and the tone he used for his explanation of LS felt good. I think his response to shockey was pretty towny aswell

Nydus - I've liked his posting and his activity. we haven't played together but he feels like town

GB - he's kind of been doing his own shit but I think he's been around for most of the important points and he's been explaining some of his reasoning e.g why he thought i might be mafia, he went and looked at his own read of onegu and went back on it which felt town.

Ritoky - Made me laugh a few times, been jokey but has been giving input aswell. His point on GB and Damdred was kind of stupid but it felt like he was trying to figure some stuff out.

hf - CONFIRMED TOWN. no in all seriousness when he just voted BM I just thought it would be interesting to see what happened so I went along with it. After reading the thread I liked his posting with regards to bugs and rsoul, I also think the reason for voting BM is actually good.

Scum

LS - tried to spam early literally responding to every joke/picture and then asking questions which in my opinion didn't lead anywhere. It felt like he was trying to mimic town...rather than actually helping town. giving defenses of people and posting old games. I didn't feel this was helping town at all.
I think his early "derp" was quite telling, it showed he just wanted to post rather than think about his posting.
His slip just now with regards to shockey is telling. He said his content was "okay" despite the fact the content was terrible and shockey's scum read was LS himself.
The reasoning for it was poor, but LS said he felt the reason was genuine...but he felt the reason was poor?? this makes no sense. I actually think that LS just straight didn't read shockey and called him town because..he knew he was town? or shockey is a partner?

Shockey - terrible early list post with shit reasons, didn't read damdred properly and when he got pinged he tried to go at damdred..it felt like an aggressive reaction when you just fucked up. a lot his posting just felt like backtracking.

Bugs - early posts were awful, I highlighted this. He's just a massive twat so his fighting doesn't change my opinion of his alignment, when he posts something else then I can look again but for now he is scum.

BM - Hf reason is good

Outside of that there are a few people that I don't know about yet and i'm reading through again.

Feel free to ask questions.




On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:
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On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?


##unvote
##vote LightningStrike

I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3


lol no

Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack.

now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this
maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him
where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why?
also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it.
You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.


On June 18 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote:
also LS what do you mean by shockey has a low chance of slipping scum? that makes no fucking sense when people, myself included have brought up scummy aspects about his play. and other people in town like nydus also agree. you think new players don't role scum or something?


On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote:
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On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:44 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:42 KelsierSC wrote:
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?



is that your response to me?

Correct.


ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.

You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.

People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o


but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"

who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum.
rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you
so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true?


On June 18 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote:
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On June 18 2015 02:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:44 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:42 KelsierSC wrote:
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?



is that your response to me?

Correct.


ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.

You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.

People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o


but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"

who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum.
rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you
so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true?

You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts.


Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey

I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe.



On June 18 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote:
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On June 18 2015 03:00 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:44 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 02:42 KelsierSC wrote:
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?



is that your response to me?

Correct.


ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.

You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.

People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o


but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"

who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum.
rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you
so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true?

You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts.


Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey

I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe.


Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him?


is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently.

I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok.

You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all.

Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

So how did this change of opinion come about?

you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap.

100% mafia.


On June 18 2015 06:30 KelsierSC wrote:
WBG I read some of what you posted and I see you went to a lot of trouble so.

I've questioned and pushed LS very hard and in my opinion I highlighted aspects of his play that were scummy.

his calling everyone town, not reading the thread, his whole debacle around shockey.
then you add in how he flipped the read on shockey to call him mafia and the inconsistent parts around that.
I feel LS is mafia, when he claimed blue I felt I had him in the noose, he was trying to dodge the pressure and avoid being lynched. I think if he is town he can work his way out of that spot.

I also think my push on shockey was pretty strong.
You have basically said i'm doing fuck all and not reading..I disagree with this completely and I don't think you truly believe it either.

With regards to the anger thing. Assassination mafia I was cop, it was a tightly controlled game. I was on good behaviour. This game it's less tight and i'm kind of pissed off RL.


If you want to ask me some questions then I will answer in a civil manner for the benefit of the thread.


On June 18 2015 18:22 KelsierSC wrote:
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On June 18 2015 18:03 ritoky wrote:
On June 18 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 17:55 ritoky wrote:
On June 18 2015 17:53 Breshke wrote:
On June 18 2015 17:50 ritoky wrote:
when he tells you "cuz named VT has no powers and is worthless, so why not claim it"; i will probably be asleep so make sure you ask him "then why didn't you claim it the moment the game started?" for me. i am relying on you for this. don't dishonour me or i will lynch you.


but if he isn't here in like 4 hours ill probs be asleep as well.

This burden is too heavy


1 of us has to lose sleep for this great cause. i vote you.


I'm here now, i'm on it


you caught up it seems, what you think of me getting pissed about LS and then the other shit i typed. and anything else.


well getting pissed off at LS is a totally understandable reaction, I read the stuff he posted after I left and although I don't want to spend another day pointing out all the anti-town, inconsistent stuff. suffice to say his hf is "top town now lets vote bf" is totally inconsistent with his "hf is scum" shit from earlier. He has a top scum read in shockeyy, there are 24 hours left but he wants to completely abandon this because he is scared of being lynched?

If i'm a blue role and I have a top scum read, WHO IS PUSHING ON ME, then I don't just surrender what I think and try and avoid the hammer.

Again he just randomly calls more people town, including the replace who mostly posted about not reading the thread then disappeared.

from your vibe though you seem to think he is town doing the most anti-town shit of all time? A simpler explanation is he is mafia.

Anyway.

with the other stuff you typed, I think your post about MiG was pretty good, I felt the same way when he posted it but at the time it didn't feel that bad. I think the post from Fide about it was probably correct.

Also your town list looks ok apart from bugs, I need to talk to him. He gave his attack on me and I have a few questions for him when he gets back that will be interesting.

I think the longer bf stays away the happier I am to lynch him









On June 17 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd propose this point.

People are saying that LS has "posted a lot" and been active. But if you actually look at what he has done he has interjected into some jokes and then asked a bunch of questions which don't lead anywhere. Has he committed himself to a read so far? he has just defended people.

LS recently got caught as scum I recall, easily the feedback could be, "you are easy to read by being lazy" so now all he does is shit post in the thread and get a town read. Like I feel very uncomfortable with everyone calling LS town and I think that he could easily be scum.


On June 17 2015 09:38 KelsierSC wrote:
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On June 17 2015 09:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 17 2015 09:31 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 17 2015 09:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Wife is taking forever, got a few minutes to respond.

@damdred what?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=12#231

Is where he asked you, your follow up was:

On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.

Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any


seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit

you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating


Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.

I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.

Kel is just a maybe town.

I know I'm town obviously

I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that


Do you really think this is worth of any value? You wrote about three people when there are quite a few other posters.


what about his most recent post?


It was a lot better than that current one (which I was going to write about, but since you asked, just might as well respond to you too), but it still lacks other players that have been involved since the start. Also, he claims it's all meta reads, which who knows. Either way, I was just questioning him, I'm not saying his alignment yet since I just don't know atm.


ok here's my problem with this. If you are town you can't just make up reads , despite what GB says. if that is all damdred has then he has posted it. I actually think his recent posts and his explanation about LS was pretty good.

I'm looking at your list post now

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On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm
KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole
Bill Murray - idk
ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa
ShoCkeyy - Town
Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt.
Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol.
Damdred
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On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum


On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:
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On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.

Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any


seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit

you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating


Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.

I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.

Kel is just a maybe town.

I know I'm town obviously

I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that


you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town?
There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.


There are two types of people that play mafia

1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care
2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta

LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree.

As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish.

He's town to me at this juncture.


So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum?

Also can you answer this?
On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:
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On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:
current state of the thread:

[image loading]

more updates to come.

choppa 4 on the scene.

Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?


Give it a day or two...

Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them...


You posted afterwards but never responded to this.

NydusHerMain - Town?
Fidei86
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On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ...


Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again?

On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.


I better see poking this game

Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm
Mig - waiting
GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games.
LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes)
wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole
VayneAuthority - Not much
boxerfred - First post is what?

Going to leave now, in-laws are in town.


you haven't actually given a great deal on anyone. you have given most people as null and some people as town. which is what damdred has done. so why are you going so crazy on him?



On June 17 2015 19:55 KelsierSC wrote:
I think this should be highlighted more.

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On June 17 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:
On June 17 2015 11:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 17 2015 11:13 rsoultin wrote:
On June 17 2015 11:12 ritoky wrote:
On June 17 2015 11:06 rsoultin wrote:
On June 17 2015 11:05 Holyflare wrote:
On June 17 2015 11:04 rsoultin wrote:
On June 17 2015 11:02 Holyflare wrote:
On June 17 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:
[quote]

hf you are making me really want to push you day 1, despite knowing how unlikely that lynch would be


well I know one alignment that wants to lynch confirmed town ^^


if you're gonna call me scum you better start early and directly, hf

or you could give a rat's ass and play the game

either or


i don't see why you're so pissed at me for no reason? either i start playing or i don't


i'm still waiting for the semblance of a contribution from you this game ^^


for someone who keeps being standoffish when people push her for responses, you sure are quick to notice a kettle.


read hf's filter. read mine.

then say we're the same


rsoultin already knows the answer!

they're not the same cause rsoultin is scum LOL


so now you're saying hf is town, too?


This is a really good catch imo. bugs whole thing is about logic and how he dislikes tone reads and shit so why is he calling hf town here? I don't know but this seems like a slip to me.

The "shitfight" as it was so lovingly described, between bugs and rsol. It seemed like a clash of egos but from my character read of both players they wouldn't back down from a fight as either alignment. It didn't feel alignment indicative.

rsol can you explain to me why i'm scum?







On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:
LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it.

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On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.

Kel is a town lean.

I'm town, this is a good start

Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.


This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more.
Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here.

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On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:
current state of the thread:

[image loading]

more updates to come.

choppa 4 on the scene.

Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?


stuff is happening?

Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance.


Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process.


I also want to know what you think about shockeyy.



As you can see, there are huge differences.

1. Not half as many oneliners as in this game.
2. He's following up from his questions.
3. He's in general writing more and in a way different, more reasonable tone.

I'd like you to compare

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=KelsierSC

with

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=KelsierSC

just skim through it. You'll instantly see the difference.

yuh huh, thank you for actually doing that

Can you tie similarities into his mafiagames?

Since I'm at work, let's make a deal: you name the scum games, I go through them and try my best. What will you be doing in the meantime?

very, very little

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479158-mafia-mini-mafia-a-miniature-game-of-mafia?user=KelsierSC
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?user=KelsierSC


I skimmed through those filters (assuming that those are the only games where Kelsier was scum. How can I check that?).
Even as scum, Kelsier put in more effort in these games than he did here. I'd say that while this game's posting style is indeed very contrary to the style of Himalaya, where he was town, this game's posting style also is very contrary to the style in the games that you brought up, marv. Are there any other games from KSC where he rolled scum that I could check?

I'm carefully removing KSC from my scum list, still keeping a slight scum lean though. However if he's really town, I'm sure he'll very soon step up and deliver, just like he did in Himalaya.

I'll look into Holyflare's EOD next, since marv brought that up. Also I repeat that I'm completely unable to read marv. I have no clue about his alignment.

So my agenda is the following:

1. look into Holyflare's EOD. Two reasons:

a) I had a scum lean on him, then refrained from that. I hope to solidify my town lean.
b) marv does not like HF's EOD. Maybe going deep into that will give me some clues about marv.

2. go through my top scum reads and try to find more that speaks against them. Emphasis lies on:

a) WoS, because I feel like I lost grip on him/her and want to catch up, also I think (might be wrong) that he has been as "half scum" on Kelsier's scum list + Show Spoiler +
wave - I think calling clarity town at the time he did was
strange and it was like he was purposefully trying to go against thread sentiment.
Clarity has retracted the scum read but I'm not a fan
. He town read another one of my scum reads. And I think marv liked that (correct me if I'm wrong marv).

b) Oatsmaster, because I agree that around EOD, I did not read into his posts with any reasoning behind it but only with a "that guy is scum and he's writing bullshit" mindset which did not help to keep an objective stance.


there was 1 more (i picked the most recent 2) - if you go to the TL Mafia Database thread, people's games are all there.

The reason i asked you to look at the mafiagames is that i think his tone is markedly different, and i'd say this game is much much closer to his town-tone.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:51 GMT
#3423
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

btw this gives me the heebie jeebies.

In the champions of champions of champions game, there was 1 player who said more than once that he had no idea how to read me, despite the fact i was posting volumously and in a very natural, carefree manner (see here). And, well, you know where i'm going with this, he was mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:51 GMT
#3424
On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote:
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On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice.

that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:58 GMT
#3429
On July 08 2015 23:56 boxerfred wrote:
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On July 08 2015 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice.

that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all.

Yeah that's right, same thought came to my mind.

Okay I trust you. I think scum marv would've had it way easier just attacking me (since we played some games already together, you probably know how fast I can get myself into deep shit when I'm emotional) instead of arguing reasonably with me. Also I like how you always bring up ritoky, very consistent.


i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me.

like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug*
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 15:03 GMT
#3435
On July 09 2015 00:02 Harkon wrote:
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On July 09 2015 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:56 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice.

that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all.

Yeah that's right, same thought came to my mind.

Okay I trust you. I think scum marv would've had it way easier just attacking me (since we played some games already together, you probably know how fast I can get myself into deep shit when I'm emotional) instead of arguing reasonably with me. Also I like how you always bring up ritoky, very consistent.


i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me.

like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug*


Your scumgame is kinda good and makes me want to never get burned again.

But yeah I think you're town

His scumgame is good but not because it is so towny.

^^^^^^^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 15:23 GMT
#3439
On July 08 2015 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 08 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
see the thing is, I don't really think HtS is mafia.


Neither do i anymore

#comeatmeguys

i suppose i should ask why
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 17:23 GMT
#3459
On July 09 2015 02:18 ruXxar wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:
okay ruxxar. i've explained it all, but not concisely and not politely because i'm not polite

but i'll do it solely to have it in one place and to say this is the last time i am going to discuss my trfel toneread or my interactions/read on hf, whether you keep ignoring that and tunneling with the same points or not

reasons i'm tonereading truffle town: lightness with me (i catch him as mafia early, see student v where i opened with pressure on truffle for his weird read on ls, and greymist's game), joking that matches his dry humor, grumbling at me for saying i thought he was town (look at it this way: as scum he should be happy that he gets an rsoul townread and finally broke my streak...as town it makes a lot more sense to be irritated that i'm still getting a read off him off very few posts), and yes, not wanting to give an opinion on something he hasn't looked at is actually towny cause truffle holds himself to ridiculously high standards and spends an inordinate amount of time combing through posts before coming to a decision <- all of these things are very personal that i realize other people don't know about him and mean more to me than others, so i didn't go into it, just as i didn't go into it with my early toneread on damdy in himalayas

the first exchange with hf: you're misrepresenting/misreading it. when hf first said he didn't need my opinion i let it go. i was actually discussing things with bresh and truffle when hf said "see, this post means his question to you wasn't trying to determine your alignment"...to which i responded that i didn't think that was the purpose of the question anyway and made a joke about hf forgetting how stubborn i was...he then basically told me to shut up and go into a corner and color, so yeah, i got pissed at him. i actually broke it off BEFORE the mod ever intervened, which frankly was probably for the post hf made right before the mod post...because that was ad hominem to a tee, basically saying no one gives a shit what i say because of my tonereads

subsequently: i came back to the thread scumreading hf because i'd had time to cool down and where he said he was questioning truffle, he actually was saying, and yes i'm paraphrasing "you're scum cause you have mafiaitis. nothing you can say or do will change my mind. you may as well give up". plus the way he just threw shit at me when i wasn't doing anything. usually we only shitfight when he's scum, and i JUST came off a game where he and bugs did that to deliberately put me on tilt cause i'm fiery -_- i kept trying to get people to see what i was seeing and he kept on trying to say i was defending truffle and everyone else was taking that up, and it was supremely frustrating that people kept not understanding what i was trying to say...that hf never intended to get a read off truffle in the first place

that continued with ignoring the fact that truffle was quizzing ls between the time of his townread and scumread on ls and had said he was writing something on him, instead just going hey! look! nothing has happened between these reads! me saying he's not reading was his clue to go back and read. hts did it. she saw it. hf should have. he preferred to fight me instead

the only reason i left off hf was his point on truffle's case all coming from before he dropped the townread was actually good. i even tried to explain what my issue with him was more concisely, which works better when i'm not angry. it's still weird to me that he thinks telling someone they're scum and he won't ever change his mind is pressure, but i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment since yeah, even if he's scum not gonna lynch him d1 like ever >< was more productive to discuss reads

but here i come back to the thread and he's back to jumping on me for nitnoidisms

as for you, you're just parroting him like you two are butt buddies, and it feels a lot like being double-teamed...deja vu bugs and hf...plus i KNOW that you've seen i do this toneread thing and am willing to fight for it regardless if the so-called "evidence" when it comes to an actual lynch; see: GB, so why you find it so weird i'm doing it again this game i can't fathom

most of this i've already said

now i will ignore you unless you talk about something else or are actually willing to talk reads instead of whining about me being pissed at your misrepresentation and inattentiveness

was that polite enough?




also, yeah...i didn't get through the thread @.@ i'd just post a reads list, but it would only be for the sake of posting it cause it's outdated

i really don't like hf still, or ruxx (though this could be OMGUS i'm willing to admit), and damdy felt off to me, too, but i want to read the section of the day i missed that had people scumreading him before i come to a judgment on that

beyond that i think bresh/truffle/marv/geript are top townies for me...would add palmar to that but lol my track record with palmar >< someone else can read him


I appreciate the change in tone here. I can work with you like this.


me too, it's much nicer.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 19:59 GMT
#3508
i think MZ is mafia
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 20:02 GMT
#3512
Reason:

two people have claimed cop, ritoky and milo

after ritoky claimed cop he's done the bare minimum to be active, involved
after milo claimed cop, he's at least been in the thread, giving reasons, being positive

i think milo looks better than he did before the cop claim, actually doing things, compared to ritoky, who... meh

don't like the milo push.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 20:03 GMT
#3513
don't *believe* the milo push. esp over ritoky.
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