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Clarity_nl

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July 10 2015 18:34 GMT

#4799

On July 11 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote:

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On July 11 2015 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote:

On July 11 2015 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:

On July 11 2015 03:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On July 11 2015 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote:

On July 11 2015 02:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On July 11 2015 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:

On July 11 2015 02:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Sigh. Marv just because you can't see why I liked ritoky over milo doesn't mean it isn't there. In fact if you look at everything that's happened subsequently I've been right about their play.

But if you're hell bent lynching me we'll cross that bridge in a day or or two.

In the meantime can anyone justify why they don't want to lynch vivax after the little shit he posted last night about "being lazy"?

being right =/= being town.

You are hardly in a position to talk about Vivax not posting.
Why is that scummy?

I feel like you literally are not reading my posts oats. I asked why people didn't want to lynch vivax after what he posted last night.

This is not the first time I've had to clarify myself for you when you could simply have read my posts -_-

Why is what Vivax posted last night scummy?

No let's do this. Do you think what he posted last night is not scummy?

I think its pretty damn null.

Newsflash not every post scum makes is scummy.

On July 11 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
Since when was being emotional alignment indicative? Also, how are my posts becoming more and more emotional and less and less useful? If you're going after milo after damdred guess who brought up that TMI stuff first. Me.

If you're saying you've not looked into rsoultin at all and I keep trying to get people to look at rsoultin and another player just said they flat out ignored me, do you think that warrants emotion? I do. Annoyance.

I mean, I even started talking about trfel just now and you're busy pumping out useless lists instead of talking about it? I dunno what more you want from me.

It's not. Be emotional that's fine. But you are very often shitting up the thread and burying important shit with your whining. You are doing this consistently. Town can definitely do this but only when they are bad. Are you bad? No one else seems to think so. So you're pushing a scum agenda in that way, and it worries me.

I have looked into rsoultin just not very deeply yet, there's really no rush on it at the moment. I'd rather someone on my list do something useful so I can strengthen my reads. But townies are saying "fuck it we know the lynch so I'm afk" which allows scum to hide in that group of people.

Off the top of your head what emotional shitting up the thread did I do today.

You're bringing up every little point against you, blowing it out of proportion and then defending yourself.
For example, your previous post is not you saying trfel is scum as much as it's saying "I am town", something that really doesn't matter at this stage.

On July 11 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
Let's get back to trfel though. His case which you disregarded as his best post because it has words in it:

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Let's start with the bolded. If he believes this is the case then he is saying I did not scum hunt at all day 1 which is unarguably false, correct? I'm pretty sure I cased him, rsoul, hts, milo etc etc etc. So, even though I was angry at HtS and Rsoul I was still scum hunting. It's irrefutable. Then, what else is contained in that read? The dropping of reads for objectively little reason which I'm also pretty sure I did multiple times (him, hts at night but that's after this post, wave clearly disappeared from my first list, etc etc.) My list posts have been updated pretty constantly all throughout day 1. So. How can he even make this read if he has been reading the thread? I don't think i've been throwing suspicion at everyone either, sure I've been argumentative with my town reads but anger is just a thing that gets displaced onto other people.

The next paragraph after that, yes I've been angry a lot but if I've dropped my town read of Trfel why does he assume he's confirmed mafia to me? He can't, it doesn't make sense. You cannot even say that I haven't been trying to point out why he's mafia to people. That's legitimately just not true in the slightest. I've been getting into fights with rsoul because I've been trying to point out scummy things and questioning them. I even made a case on his read not existing beforehand and appearing magically and then never featuring in his read on LS in the slightest here:

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On July 07 2015 10:50 Holyflare wrote:

On July 07 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote:

On July 07 2015 09:41 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike

Responses to scumreads
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On July 06 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
##vote trfel

Super over explained afk entry excuse post

You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on...

Scum #2 I've caught.

I not what are smoking bro? Weed? Crack?
When he gets scumread by geript, he just says he's not scum, and then says that something must be impeding geript's ability to read him. He responds to geript's scumread, but without providing any content. He doesn't actually ask geript why he had this scumread, doesn't think about geript's alignment at all, and seemingly assumes that geript is town.

Furthermore, I'm not used to LightningStrike being this aggressive in his wording.
On July 06 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:35 Breshke wrote:
I also really like damdreds read on LS here. The fact that you didn't meta scott straight away makes it more likely you are your lazy scum self LS

It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo

##Vote Lightningstrike

I not scum what are you and Damdred smoking? Cocaine? Weed? Alcohol? Jesus Christ you are bad Breshke.
Again, he's really aggressive about the claim, and assumes that Breshke is town.

There are more examples, they're all similar.

Contrast this to other games, for example Himalayas:
On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum

Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum!
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Jokes man jokes lol
I've never seen LightningStrike respond to scumreads as aggressively as he has in this game.
Changes his play in response to pressure, early townread on Damdred
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On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.

Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him?

Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o
On July 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.

Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him?

Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o

Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him?

Not much to go on him yet.
This is his first discussion about reading people in this game.

Damdred responds like this:
On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him.

Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum.
And LightningStrike responded like this:
On July 06 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:10 Damdred wrote:
That might seriously be the laziest I've ever seen ls. It just seems like he's phoning it in.

I'm like 99% sure ls is scum here

Fight me I not scum(Seriously though it kinda hard to tell the difference early on but later it's easier to tell the difference from what I had looked).
If anyone want all his games here they are and correct he rolled town 50% of the time and scum 50% of the time:
Town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?user=scott31337
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?user=scott31337
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=scott31337
Scum:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=scott31337
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=Scott31337
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=scott31337
From what I can tell it's easier to read him later than earlier(Also quick note on the first game I linked he replaced in the night before)
Which doesn't actually do anything to help his case. "Hey LightningStrike, you're scum because you didn't do this." "Okay, I did it, am I cool now?"
On July 06 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
@ rs maybe your new read should go in the trash the damdred train is going past the ls lynch this day.

Na her read on me is correct maybe your LS reading machine is overheating from last game thus not working correctly?
Also on the note about scott: As scum seems to be more obvious as the game progresses I only skimmed some of his filter from his last two town games and I still need more posts from him to determine his alignment by meta.

do you have any town at this point?

Damdred even if he's wrong on me I see Town Damdred this game.
The townread on Damdred feels very out of place. This is the only read he's made to this point in the game. Also, note the wording, he says "if" instead of "though". LightningStrike ought to know that he is town...
On July 06 2015 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:
On July 06 2015 11:06 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:
On July 06 2015 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
I'm back.

Kel I don't get it, you really like my points on ls which I feel is really strong and getting stronger by the second.

But instead you judge me based on the structure of a town read and don't even mention the ls read that you liked? That's kind of strange

how i like to read you and rsoul is how you read eachother, your town read on her is less developed than usual i cant explain that shit.
so i liked the ls case, but ls....like i just fucking hate whenever he types so if i ignore all that shit and try to play outside of that id ont like you
make sens

I'm not sure I follow 100%.
example if you don't like a town read that's ok, but you like another read is developed with support you want to discard because you don't like him anyway? So you don't like me.

that doesn't make sense and you are discarding part of my game play for no real reason it feels uneven and unnecessary coming from you

im basically not sure i believe your LS read anymore and anything connected to LS is always slightly aids
so im looking at your rs read and it doesnt feel as good
im not 100% i just dont like you in my gut i guess
it dpeends what ls does

What does it even mean that my RS read didn't feel as good? Not as condensed as assassins where I had to be vs different here and the last game I played in?

So you are scum reading me (sorta) on style rather than content?

And you don't think my Ks read is good anymore when he is 100% still going against meta?

well..it is like this. scott apparently has few games played and LS did explain the read of like "oh you get him later"
LS is...well like you never know wtf is happening. so i think a few pages its hard to say well fuck yeh he is lazy...it just doesnt feel good...fuck i cant explain that properly
so i feel like your LS scum is dishonest and your rsoul is town feels like a cheap rsoul is town comparitively

Damdred is wrong about my alignment and Damdred does normally rsouls alignment correctly but he wrong on my alignment this game but that wont make him scum if he is scum.
And it continues. He doesn't take any effort to explain this Damdred read at all. And he's so aggressive towards others who scumread him. It feels like he just townread Damdred to appease him.

When LightningStrike finally gives a reason for townreading Damdred (in his list post), it's because Damdred is putting in effort. Which wasn't the case when LightningStrike first gave his townread of Damdred.
Meek tone when asking people for reads
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One of LightningStrike's most commonly asked questions to people is "what are your reads, please?"

On July 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye.

Drive By Posting seems common this game O_o
Normally, I would expect LightningStrike to ask a question to ritoky, such as "When you return, please share your reads" or something like that. In the Himalayas game, he asked this question very early on. But here, he just comments. No question, no conclusion, just a comment.

On July 06 2015 11:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Oats while you at it can you explain your reads on the people you quoted please?
On July 06 2015 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 12:29 milo109 wrote:
Alright you people are boring. I'll be back in the morning.

When you wake up care to give me your thoughts?
On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share?

Compare this to Assassination Mafia:
On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
@Marv: What are your current reads?
@Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread?
On May 14 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:
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On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly

When you are caught up can I have your reads please?
On May 14 2015 22:47 LightningStrike wrote:
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On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster,
Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike
Rsoultin (1) - Onegu
Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend
Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks
BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear,

Just for informational purposes.

Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone?

There's a very clear difference in tone between these games.

On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.

Kel is a town lean.

I'm town, this is a good start

Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.
Here's a counter-example from Himalayas. However, I haven't seen LightningStrike play like this as town before, and it still feels like his tone is more meek in this game than his other town games (even the Himalays quote).

Furthermore, he's being more aggressive towards people who scumread him this game than in other games. Why is he more aggressive in response to scumreads, but more defensive when asking people for reads? It doesn't make sense.

There is one more reason, possibly the strongest reason. But I need to see what people think about this before I could consider sharing it. And no, I'm not going to say what it is at this time, so don't ask.

On July 06 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote:

On July 06 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:

On July 06 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
ah ye olde crack/weed/alcohol meta read

lol apparently i'm not the first to think of it. it any good? it only just clicked for me last game

it's pretty basic but works for him being town from my exp, i have another stupid meta read that i'm waiting on for him too

1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread

2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people

3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different

When you wake up care to give me your thoughts?

When you are caught up can I have your reads please?

also NONE OF THIS CONTAINS ANY RESPONSE ABOUT LS' READ ON RITOKY LOL

so, trfel's case is based on everything earlier and what did he say earlier?

On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:
I think it makes sense now....

I don't scumread LightningStrike any more.

everything after does not change because of his response to ritoky, nothing is different

So how on earth does it look like i've not been trying to show people he's mafia? It doesn't he's simply just posting things to attempt to blend in.

As much as you may disagree with trfel's post, I think it's a good post. He has a good point about you yelling at people you are scumreading which doesn't make much sense from a townie perspective.

Anger is very easy to throw around as scum. You can act all angry and come in and out of the thread, you get people to ignore what you're saying and make them rather not go through the mess you've left behind.

If he believes this is the case then he is saying I did not scum hunt at all day 1 which is unarguably false, correct?

No where in his post do I see him saying you did not scumhunt d1, this is a total strawman.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 18:36 GMT

#4801

On July 11 2015 03:26 ruXxar wrote:

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I disagree.
I think that's a pretty good description of their play.

Milo's play has been shallow and unconvincing.
It's like he's trying to appear interested, but not really.
His flow is unnatural and uninspired.

Ritoky on the other hand has had a IDGAF attitude throughout.
It's not particularly helpful for town, and I don't like it, but it doesn't give off a strong scummy vibe.

If I remember correctly marv posted this during n1, and back then it was true. With all the stuff that's happened d2 and the pressure milo is under obviously things have changed.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 18:47 GMT

#4812

You're right Holy you haven't been shitting up shit during d2 all that much, I don't see how that means anything at the moment.

Do you think trfel is scum? Like the post you're deconstructing seems reasonable to me, I agree that he hasn't done much of anything since but does that make him scum? Dno.

On July 11 2015 03:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Does town HF really care this much about some not really that important scumreads on him?

I dont think so.

This is what I've been getting at.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 18:48 GMT

#4813

I still think HF is town btw, just playing with the thought that he's not.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 20:13 GMT

#4857

On July 11 2015 05:04 Vivax wrote:
Next logical step if Damdred flips scum is to look at milo. I'm not even bothering to do anything else for the moment as it's a waste of time when there's information incoming anyway.

So what you're saying is you are keeping track to see if people are mentioning you, but you aren't actually reading the thread to the point where you know milo has a good chance of being lynched tomorrow and is being pushed by multiple people?

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 20:16 GMT

#4860

On July 11 2015 05:12 marvellosity wrote:
btw there is nothing wrong with HF defending himself.

It's an extremely natural reaction and it's ridiculous to suggest he shouldn't. Of course he will.

When I pointed it out it's like...

I dunno, like he would be yelling rsoultin is scum, and then when rsoultin points out a reason HF is scum he would spend two paragraphs explaining why he would do said thing as either scum or town. He didn't do it because rsoultin's argument was scummy, but rather only to defend himself, which is weird if he is relatively confident that rsoultin is scum.

Stuff like that. Like obviously you get accused you defend yourself but he takes every little thing and then acts like he needs to fight his hardest to not get lynched on the spot, and that kinda defensiveness I see coming from scum more than town.

It's just a feeling tho

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 20:20 GMT

#4868

On July 11 2015 05:17 marvellosity wrote:

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I can tell you, for free, that I do that a lot more as town than mafia.

And HF is in general quite a similar-minded person to me.

Fine fine. Hopefully the nightkills will clear things up a bit.

You wanna lynch milo tomorrow marv? Or are you gonna push MZ?

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 20:28 GMT

#4881

On July 11 2015 05:28 Damdred wrote:
I've played horribly but I might as well leave thoughts as I die

Explain the mason claim, are you just hoping as town!Damdred that geript makes the play of century and agrees with you?

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 20:29 GMT

#4882

Nah fuck this you're scum, I'd be pretty disappointed if you're JK.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 20:32 GMT

#4888

If Damdred is town I want him banned for playing against his win condition, lmao. It's okay though he's scum.
Go out and rest assured, marv.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 20:37 GMT

#4905

On July 11 2015 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

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Do you really actually think I'm a better shot than wave or vivax? Why? Literally the only reason you think I'm scum is that you didn't understand my read on milo/ritoky (which you now agree with).

Well this is just a dumb argument. You said it when it didn't make much sense, everyone else said it when it did.

It's very easy for scum to be right. That's why being right or wrong doesn't matter as much as the reasons you have the reads.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 21:18 GMT

#4929

On July 11 2015 06:17 milo109 wrote:
I would approve a switch from Damdred onto me, by the way. It probably makes life easier for town.

If you're going to say things like this I'm not even going to read your posts anymore, just fyi.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 21:32 GMT

#4942

On July 11 2015 06:31 milo109 wrote:
Lol. Dis game tho.

I am confirmed mafia. AMA.

You should shoot yourself tonight

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 21:51 GMT

#4976

Making a mental note to ignore page 246-249 as it's just everyone shitting up the thread

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 21:52 GMT

#4980

On July 11 2015 06:51 rsoultin wrote:

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^ totally not shitting up the thread

You need help on the definition of everyone

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 21:59 GMT

#4990

redflip hype

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 22:08 GMT

#4997

On July 11 2015 07:07 geript wrote:
So when I start calling Damdred not town early on are people going to start listening? Just saying, because I wanted to lynch him on D1.

Was a good track. I honestly felt his case on me was decent. Someone told me it wasn't but I don't remember who... I should reread that exchange

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 22:11 GMT

#5003

On July 11 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I love <3 Damdred sorry about you rolling scum

Also that means ritoky is confirmed town because Damdred was tracked to him correct?

Yes. Geript confirmed town, ritoky confirmed town, and you're "basically" confirmed town.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 22:14 GMT

#5007

Milo I'd love for you to make cases on your scumreads. From what I remember I'm still way up there but I don't remember you ever explaining why, so would love an attempt. Also a response to my case would be nice. Marv said he'd read it and I love sheeping marv so if you're town you have a chance, just saying.

Night all.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

July 10 2015 22:30 GMT

#5013

Can we leave the circlejerk until afterwards?

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