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On July 08 2015 00:37 geript wrote:
@Marv. I still think Oats/vivax is a better lynch. And a better strategical one.
Why don't you seem to care about Vivax? He's practically been reading a different game entirely. It reminds me of the DP/Palmer/Vivax scumteam game. Where Vivax's reads were literally completely misconstrued shit.
HF. Look at Vivax. You caught him that game so you might remember more.
are you telling me this isn't the epitome of his towngame also?
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On July 08 2015 00:37 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:35 Damdred wrote:
Honestly we should stop scatter gunning the conversation and focus on a couple of people to decide t o lynch, majority sucks honestly but we have to work within it. So who's on your "ok to lynch" list other than me?
You
Trfel
Wave
I wanted to lynch LS earlier, but idk it could be a bad read based on a meta hes trying to break i'd rather give him the night so i can look into his actions a bit more.
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On July 08 2015 00:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:29 Half the Sky wrote:On July 08 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On July 07 2015 23:30 Harkon wrote:This post is definitely a pretty bold statement especially since it isn't paired with any reason as to why. On July 07 2015 11:37 milo109 wrote:
Meh. I think LS is a better lynch. Your case is unconvincing. i thought the same about that comment So this aimed at Palmar/marvellosity - On July 07 2015 12:27 milo109 wrote:
The rest of the LS read you have not really addressed at all. How can trfel make a case on LS based on the early game but the early game is when he said he doesn't scum read LS? He changed his read on LS because of questions he asked LS about ritoky. Where are they in his case? They do not feature because he is simply reading LS' filter and making scummy narratives from them.
--LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight.
Trfel isn't even towny. Just not scummy enough to be worth going to the voting thread and changing my vote. I like believing in myself, especially early on. I'll cede that you have probably played with him for than I have, and may be right. First the way he's doign the quotes I'm believing Milo actually says "LS's filtuer is scummy" is where he starts. I am also taking issue with what I have in the bold. First he says there are a dozen posts but then he provides (the bolded) as the reason for LS being mafia? Given his last sentence on Trfel, he's goign to lynch LS for not being convincing? That explanation/justification makes zero sense. Yes a good player as either alignment has to be convincing but that's not exclusive to town so why does he use that as a justification to lynch LS? Something is way off here. I'm not saying this makes LS mafia or not, but this is a huge red flag especially in the event where LS is not mafia. The last sentence is also problematic because clearly others and even HE has weighted somewhat on LS so I have no idea where that sentence is even coming from. i thought he was saying there that Trfel's narrative on LS wasn't convincing
i said trfel's case was wrong and looked like he was trying to build a mafia narrative and milo responded, hts has taken it way out of context
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I need to read Trfel at some point. He has a history of being a fantastically easy townread and now I see multiple people questioning him.
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On July 08 2015 00:33 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.
I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.
The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.
The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.
The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.
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Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.
This guy is scum vot ehim. you know the third reason marv has already said was incorrect. clarity seemed to put thought into his wave read imo. there's like 3 people who have jumped onto this clarity thing, you, HtS and Boxer. Boxer already had clarity as scum so that's ok but you and Hts trying to get onto a case that wasn't even correct is scummy imo. I don't think the point is invalid about the unvote imo or invalidates the point I tried to make. Thread sentiment went against wave to an extent hf pushed it, clary jumped on. Opportunity to jump off clar jumps off, i think misrepresenting my case into one point is dumb, like you don't even interact with the other points of it just that its scummy because marv was wrong about one of the points i talked about.
i only pushed it because clarity said it dude
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On July 08 2015 00:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:37 geript wrote:
@Marv. I still think Oats/vivax is a better lynch. And a better strategical one.
Why don't you seem to care about Vivax? He's practically been reading a different game entirely. It reminds me of the DP/Palmer/Vivax scumteam game. Where Vivax's reads were literally completely misconstrued shit.
HF. Look at Vivax. You caught him that game so you might remember more. are you telling me this isn't the epitome of his towngame also?
meh
I wouldn't be opposed to lynching Vivax if it wasn't for his recent towngames. Not sure if I even am opposed to it now.
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On July 08 2015 00:33 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.
I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.
The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.
The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.
The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.
TLDR
Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.
This guy is scum vot ehim. you know the third reason marv has already said was incorrect. clarity seemed to put thought into his wave read imo. there's like 3 people who have jumped onto this clarity thing, you, HtS and Boxer. Boxer already had clarity as scum so that's ok but you and Hts trying to get onto a case that wasn't even correct is scummy imo. I don't think the point is invalid about the unvote imo or invalidates the point I tried to make. Thread sentiment went against wave to an extent hf pushed it, clary jumped on. Opportunity to jump off clar jumps off, i think misrepresenting my case into one point is dumb, like you don't even interact with the other points of it just that its scummy because marv was wrong about one of the points i talked about.
well that isn't my interpreration at all. the first point you make is pretty much destroying itself when you scum read clarity for his opening but then say openings aren't important in the same post.
I don't really like the argument of "he didn't answer my specific question so he is scum" i've seen scum pull the same shit and this is a big thread it is easy to miss things...like it's easy to miss when marv makes a scum read but realises it is based on incorrect information.
I just disagree about the interaction clarity had with wave, that actually made me town read clarity so the fact you get the opposite bewilders me. do you think wave is scum then?
Also I want you to speak about LS again. he seems to have dropped off your radar.
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On July 08 2015 00:40 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:38 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 00:37 geript wrote:
@Marv. I still think Oats/vivax is a better lynch. And a better strategical one.
Why don't you seem to care about Vivax? He's practically been reading a different game entirely. It reminds me of the DP/Palmer/Vivax scumteam game. Where Vivax's reads were literally completely misconstrued shit.
HF. Look at Vivax. You caught him that game so you might remember more. are you telling me this isn't the epitome of his towngame also? meh I wouldn't be opposed to lynching Vivax if it wasn't for his recent towngames. Not sure if I even am opposed to it now.
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On July 08 2015 00:40 Palmar wrote:
I need to read Trfel at some point. He has a history of being a fantastically easy townread and now I see multiple people questioning him.
EBH is top town
why?
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I think marv is town btw in case someone took my joke seriously
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On July 08 2015 00:40 Palmar wrote:
I need to read Trfel at some point. He has a history of being a fantastically easy townread and now I see multiple people questioning him.
EBH is top town
The problem with Trfel is that he is refusing to do much of anything. He promised some work and didn't deliver. The contributions he made especially about LS aren't good either.
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On July 08 2015 00:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:40 Palmar wrote:
I need to read Trfel at some point. He has a history of being a fantastically easy townread and now I see multiple people questioning him.
EBH is top town why?
He literally accused someone of being a member of a knitting circle.
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On July 08 2015 00:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:15 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 22:58 Holyflare wrote:
but in general I'd say it's a lot of responding to points about things and not really having the motivation to do it any further. It's like giving the answers about what people normally do and making no conclusions. The one person she did it on was Milo and that looked a bit meh to me. Distinctly false. I pushed ritoky as well, and I still think he's scum now. This is part of what I mean about selective reasoning. Also the point on BM, he didn't do jack all in Himalayas, but in this game, he posted the wanderer claim and then AFKed. That's the difference here. I was willing to believe it when he first posted but I also had an expectation there'd be more from him. I don't even know what disingenuous even means but there's a difference here that is worthy being pointed out - if he is going to claim a town role, does he have the behaviour to back it up or is he just skating by? Marv is saying (from prior knowledge) it's possible. So calling that read poor is also pretty selective reasoning on HF's end. If he had posted nothing at all then HF might have a valid point against me. Obviously BM runs the risk of being modkilled but seeing this I needed to respond. That also said, I do agree that a BM lynch, if town, will also gain no information. Yes, none of those pushes were distinctly inspiring and you say things that you think several times (in regards to me specifically) that you never have any intention of ever following up on so in all honestly it looks like you're adding fuel to the fire whenever someone mentions my name just for the sake of doing it. It also doesn't align with what's been happening in the thread at all. As for BM: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 23:06 Holyflare wrote:but yeh hts' read is still super disingenuous after himalayas where bm just didn't play and was town On July 07 2015 23:04 Harkon wrote:On July 07 2015 23:04 Holyflare wrote:
towny attitude with scummy posts and thought processes which is pretty similar to carnival so maybe mafia but also maybe not :D Towny attitude means...? annoyance at being marginalised and wanting to be heard, which is also just a trait of being stubborn and having an ego which is why combined with her actual content and posts might be mafia but also might be not BM posted shit all in himalayas and was town, BM has posted shit all in this game and has a claim and could be town. I'm not going to say someone is burnt out mafia when their meta is to sometimes not play as town compared to Trfel whose meta is post logical thoughts a lot of the time.
On July 08 2015 00:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:20 Half the Sky wrote:On July 08 2015 00:13 KelsierSC wrote:
there's like 3 people who have jumped onto this clarity thing, you, HtS and Boxer. Boxer already had clarity as scum so that's ok but you and Hts trying to get onto a case that wasn't even correct is scummy imo.
Read the top of page 98. I backed off once he stated it was correct. That was some confusion on my end. Although Palmar is saying otherwise, still I had him on my list of people to review. Also HF, re the point on milo being meh, I'm still waiting for the latest round of his answers to my questions whcih he'd say he'd provide. That's exactly it. Your push is "meh" you don't need his answers. He's posted like a million things after that and I just asked for people's opinions on milo's responses to Trfel's case (which happened a long time ago) and you have no response to that either. Like your scum read is making a case and your other scum read is responding to it and you just make a list with both of us in it and don't even look at what the people are saying. It's so... meh and you aren't a meh player that doesn't follow up on her reads properly. There's no instinctive drive to solve out that player. You are saying things just to say things.
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On July 08 2015 00:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:37 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 00:35 Damdred wrote:
Honestly we should stop scatter gunning the conversation and focus on a couple of people to decide t o lynch, majority sucks honestly but we have to work within it. So who's on your "ok to lynch" list other than me? You Trfel Wave I wanted to lynch LS earlier, but idk it could be a bad read based on a meta hes trying to break i'd rather give him the night so i can look into his actions a bit more.
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On July 08 2015 00:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:37 geript wrote:
@Marv. I still think Oats/vivax is a better lynch. And a better strategical one.
Why don't you seem to care about Vivax? He's practically been reading a different game entirely. It reminds me of the DP/Palmer/Vivax scumteam game. Where Vivax's reads were literally completely misconstrued shit.
HF. Look at Vivax. You caught him that game so you might remember more. are you telling me this isn't the epitome of his towngame also?
Yah, but usually he lives in a bizarro universe. Not in a complete alternate timeline/reality.
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On July 08 2015 00:40 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:33 Damdred wrote:On July 08 2015 00:13 KelsierSC wrote:On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.
I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.
The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.
The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.
The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.
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Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.
This guy is scum vot ehim. you know the third reason marv has already said was incorrect. clarity seemed to put thought into his wave read imo. there's like 3 people who have jumped onto this clarity thing, you, HtS and Boxer. Boxer already had clarity as scum so that's ok but you and Hts trying to get onto a case that wasn't even correct is scummy imo. I don't think the point is invalid about the unvote imo or invalidates the point I tried to make. Thread sentiment went against wave to an extent hf pushed it, clary jumped on. Opportunity to jump off clar jumps off, i think misrepresenting my case into one point is dumb, like you don't even interact with the other points of it just that its scummy because marv was wrong about one of the points i talked about. well that isn't my interpreration at all. the first point you make is pretty much destroying itself when you scum read clarity for his opening but then say openings aren't important in the same post. I don't really like the argument of "he didn't answer my specific question so he is scum" i've seen scum pull the same shit and this is a big thread it is easy to miss things...like it's easy to miss when marv makes a scum read but realises it is based on incorrect information. I just disagree about the interaction clarity had with wave, that actually made me town read clarity so the fact you get the opposite bewilders me. do you think wave is scum then? Also I want you to speak about LS again. he seems to have dropped off your radar.
I honestly thought you were smarter than this Kel, openings aren't alignment indicative. But going "HEY GUYS THIS GUY IS TOWN I"LL NEVER LYNCH HIM FOR HIS OPENING" is not the same thing.
Like idk i don't think that you are dumb, but that point is like idiotic.
When the game develops into a super game size like it is now that's an acceptable excuse its not when its a 3-5 page game and its like 1-2 posts above yours and you just go about your day.
I think wave is scum because of lack of cares but meh.
I've answered about ls
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basically i am going to keep my vote on ritoky and move it later to wherever needs a majority
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On July 08 2015 00:42 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:38 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2015 00:37 geript wrote:
@Marv. I still think Oats/vivax is a better lynch. And a better strategical one.
Why don't you seem to care about Vivax? He's practically been reading a different game entirely. It reminds me of the DP/Palmer/Vivax scumteam game. Where Vivax's reads were literally completely misconstrued shit.
HF. Look at Vivax. You caught him that game so you might remember more. are you telling me this isn't the epitome of his towngame also? Yah, but usually he lives in a bizarro universe. Not in a complete alternate timeline/reality.
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