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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 13:44 GMT
#2041
how generous of you
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 07 2015 13:45 GMT
#2042
who do you wanna lynch?

i've no idea really.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 13:46 GMT
#2043
me either, hts is super bugging me but meh

i'll get back to you
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 07 2015 13:47 GMT
#2044
can you explain the HtS thing in terms that aren't to do with how she's reading you?

or is it just that
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
July 07 2015 13:47 GMT
#2045
Oh Bill Murray is in the game.

There's a good lynch.
Computer says mafia
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 13:48 GMT
#2046
Hey Half the Sky, working at the moment. I'll be able to answer the questions in arohnd 2 hours.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 07 2015 13:49 GMT
#2047
tbh i still think ritoky is mafia.

could lynch BM but it feels like it would be a disaster if he flipped town.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 07 2015 13:55 GMT
#2048
On July 07 2015 22:49 marvellosity wrote:
tbh i still think ritoky is mafia.

could lynch BM but it feels like it would be a disaster if he flipped town.

Because?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 07 2015 13:57 GMT
#2049
which are you becausing?

ritoky because a one-shot cop claim is super safe so it doesn't really mean anything and i can't see why any of his posts are townie

BM because we kinda either lynch him or we don't, and if he flips town it doesn't tell us anything
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 07 2015 13:57 GMT
#2050
On July 07 2015 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
Try Hero Mini Mafia to see how I usually ooze green day 1

That's part of the problem. I recall you being pretty good at being very towny and you are just not in this game. Unfortunately there is no way for me to tell if that is just you being rusty.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 13:58 GMT
#2051
+ Show Spoiler +
HF, I am bad reading HF D1. and I cannot tell whether his read on Trfel is bad (unfamiliarity) or mafia (taking advantage of the fact that Trfel is not posting reads quite yet, at least I know why). I will need to re-read this filter again.



HF is scumreading Trfel for posting little of substance. I know others had different reads (most notably Ras) on Trfel.

I'm personally reading Trfel as NAI until he posts harder analysis based on Trfel's performance from NSM11.


I know he had long gaps in posting in both NSM7 (or was it 9? one of them) and IIRC he was pretty underwhelming as town in Assassination, the latter being a large game, Taking HF's argument, the longer he goes without posting anything of substance, the worse he looks.


On July 07 2015 01:35 Half the Sky wrote:
For HF - to clarify, when she is mafia, those are the reactions you get when she's pushed, period.


I'm getting that air of selective reasoning HF, and I don't particularly like it.


Scumreads on ritoky, milo109, LS, HF, Palmar, BM.


On July 07 2015 19:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 18:09 boxerfred wrote:
Also I might refrain from my HF scum lean, the read change from Trfel that he observed was really good. Still need to catch up.


I thought it was good when I first saw his post too. But HF is really good at taking things out of context if/when he's scum. Even if he's town the post is flawed because LS' filter showed some reasonable basis for the change.

The easiest way to cross check that is to look at LightningStrike's filter against the time stamps provided. It is a little annoying to do because the time stamps are in Korean time but once I did I found three quotes that I objectively found scummy in his filter before Trfel even explained it. (You hit the quote button and you'll find time stamp quoted in KST.)


^ like this is by far the worst post hts could have made: "I liked the post too but it's totally out of context! I found these 3 quotes objectively scummy!" that was nothing to do with my case at all, trfel didn't use any of those quotes to scum read lightningstrike and after reading his filter previously actually didn't scum read lightningstrike at all

I mean, hts' stances on me have been:

misreading the thread and picking out the wrong bits of every argument
saying oh i missed it hf is towny
seeing rsoultin shit fighting with me in the most obvious way possible and saying i look bad for wanting answers lol
saying i look scummy for selective reasoning on trfel despite it not addressing trfel's post at all??

On July 07 2015 19:45 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 19:39 boxerfred wrote:
marv thoughts on my hf read?


The other thing on HF is that he was all over Trfel thinking he's rolled scum because of rolling scum twice in a row. The same thing applies to BM who rolled scum in WC3. Marv is saying that BM's play is plausible if he were mafia. If HF flips scum he hasn't mentioned him at all from what I recall so that makes that possibility much more likely.

Pre associative I know but something to think about.


hts even just hosted himalayas where BM was town and didn't post a single thing the entire game, it's ridiculous that she thinks i would say anything this game about BM in the same way as trfel


A few of us have opposing opinions on HF and a couple voiced some dissenting opinions on Damdred - for example Vivax felt that his posts were loaded or baitworthy, like he was trying to reach for an excuse to scumread LS. Do you agree with this assessment (same question also at KSC when he returns btw), I had previously quoted it.

HF, I felt there is some selective reasoning. You probably want to look at the exchanges about 8-9 hours ago to get a sense of what was happening. (Admittedly he's probably not getting lynched today, but it's something that I think everyone needs to think about going on to later days.)


like what, hts can do selective reasoning and it's a mistake but that one time I apparently did it (I didn't even do it) then I'm instantly in a scum list. It's a very weird thought process that I can't quite piece together and combined with her lack of pushing in any particular direction but instead just responding to things I think she's quite scummy.


all to do with me! :D

but in general I'd say it's a lot of responding to points about things and not really having the motivation to do it any further. It's like giving the answers about what people normally do and making no conclusions. The one person she did it on was Milo and that looked a bit meh to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 07 2015 13:59 GMT
#2052
i do agree her push on you is weird.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 14:00 GMT
#2053
On June 16 2015 09:23 NaCl`y wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:16 Half the Sky wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
if you guys want more detailed analysis from me, let me know.

I don't particularly have much to say about the game as I think it was relatively simple. There is a lot to be learned in hindsight, and I think reading Half the Sky's and prplhz's posts from their perspectives can be useful if you want to learn a bit about how scum may want to play. Given that they were never under any serious threat I don't think it would be all that useful, but I do think that Half the Sky's posts from start to finish and prplhz's posts on day 1 are good examples of what to do to stay just under suspicion without attracting much attention or scrutiny.


I know JAT spotted a weakness in my posts which I did catch on to and I knew I'd have to step it up in 3-2 lylo otherwise a good town player could corner me. But if you had any additional input for me I'd appreciate it.

Only issue is that I know dick all how to play framer, not much better at blue sniping either, I assume you just frame the scummy lurkers just like a DT should check the scummy lurkers but of course everyone checks differently.... >_<

I had zero clue JAT was tracker. Ugh, fail.


Generally the ideal strategy as mafia is to shoot the towniest people instead of trying to look for the blues or what have you since those shots could always backfire a la XXX mafia and shooting Rsoultin. Although this did cause mass hysteria it also severely would put you behind in terms of mislynches (which is the primary capital for mafia) if you are wrong. The whole aspect of mafia is preserving your capital so that you have wiggle room as the game progresses. This was fairly easy in this game and in retrospect I did notice a lack of push in a direction from you. There were lots of observations which made me gloss over you which is a good thing for you, however, in a game where people look more towny I think you need to develop on a set of mafia reads and start to push them harder so as you don't look too passive.

You did have a set of mafia reads this game, I know, it's just in future that will come back to bite you if you are not more resolute on them.

As for playing framer, it really depends on what kind of situation you are in. If you are widely town read then it always helps to frame scummy lurkers since they are by far and large the most obvious checks for a cop to make. If you are only slightly town read then it is up to you and you should maybe play it safe. Playing it safe is generally better anyway.


this super guy summed it up pretty well
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 07 2015 14:03 GMT
#2054
HF, what is your read on rsoultin? I know she is on your list and what you wrote there but that does not tell me much besides the fact that you aren't townreading her.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 07 2015 14:03 GMT
#2055
On July 07 2015 22:57 marvellosity wrote:
which are you becausing?

ritoky because a one-shot cop claim is super safe so it doesn't really mean anything and i can't see why any of his posts are townie

BM because we kinda either lynch him or we don't, and if he flips town it doesn't tell us anything

Lynching BM isnt really a disaster though.

No gg, No skill.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 14:04 GMT
#2056
towny attitude with scummy posts and thought processes which is pretty similar to carnival so maybe mafia but also maybe not :D
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 07 2015 14:04 GMT
#2057
On July 07 2015 23:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 22:57 marvellosity wrote:
which are you becausing?

ritoky because a one-shot cop claim is super safe so it doesn't really mean anything and i can't see why any of his posts are townie

BM because we kinda either lynch him or we don't, and if he flips town it doesn't tell us anything

Lynching BM isnt really a disaster though.


Getting rid of BM is not a disaster. Wasting a lynch on him if he is town kinda is.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 14:04 GMT
#2058
aren't mz and bm gonna get modkilled?
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 07 2015 14:04 GMT
#2059
On July 07 2015 23:04 Holyflare wrote:
towny attitude with scummy posts and thought processes which is pretty similar to carnival so maybe mafia but also maybe not :D

Towny attitude means...?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 14:05 GMT
#2060
oh right yeh bm posted
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