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Lord Tolkien

United States12084 Posts

July 12 2015 05:55 GMT

#1321

WHERE THE FUCK IS EVERYONE.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

July 12 2015 12:11 GMT

#1322

hi i'm back i had a 24 hour shift. hours of crippling boredom, but without internet.

johns aside seems like nobody gives a fuck anymore so we already basically lost but I'll try to find scum for postgame cred.

would be more convenient if it was just 1-2 people not giving a fuck cuz then we could just lynch that one.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

July 12 2015 13:32 GMT

#1323

Alright I spent a bunch of time in LT's filter and I'm still not seeing him as scum at all and since I have only so much time left to play this day out I'll just call him 500% town and be done with him.
pocketbois, buddybois, etc. If we do lynch scum today (zzz) i'll come back to this tomorrow.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

July 12 2015 14:05 GMT

#1324

soniv:
had some decent-ish posts early in the game but they were already buried inbetween his otherwise soft and flaccid filter
the annoying part is that he makes a lot of posts i really dislike, which makes me second-guess my desire to kill him as purely emotional.
like what the actual fuck is this

On July 04 2015 04:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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I'm beginning to think they both might be noob bait, tbh. I'm getting similar feelings to last game when I tunneled Req. Yes, the way both of them have been acting is scummy. It's the same thing I read on Req. But I was also wrong then.

or this

On July 07 2015 07:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:
[...]
Fair enough. I should have said "don't have that much experience discerning real from fake claims". I'm sure I've seen several fake claims, but the only one I can think of off the top of my head that I was heavily involved in was Alzadar's claim last OT mafia. If you'll recall, I was very tempted to yolo lynch Alz in the face of his claim, but it was too big of a risk because no counter claim.
[...]
One thing I will ask you, Wave - do your actions this day not feel reminiscent of you tunneling me last OT mafia? But this time around it feels like you're almost entirely basing your tunnel on meta (although it's possible that it's because I'm not on the receiving end of it this time, so it looks different). I want to be able to trust your judgement, but I need you to answer this.

its like he's playing last game, not this one. could very well be lazy scum justifying lazy reads.

more wtf

On July 07 2015 05:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Most egregious for me is how shaky Cixah says he is about GB vote, but how content he is to jump on the wagon when no other alternative pops up.

not to forget his attention-whoring triade about how people should read his case

then there's the post where he complains about people not trying, guess who isn't trying? that's right the fucking pot.
I'll include the terrible part about req again because of how terrible it is

On July 04 2015 01:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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On July 03 2015 23:13 ComaDose wrote:

On July 03 2015 06:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:

On July 03 2015 06:50 ComaDose wrote:
i think you just voted cixah for mayor tho

ty based Coma we bros now

help me find the sinister mods

I have always been, and will continue to be, an anti-mod activist

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On July 03 2015 08:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:

On July 03 2015 05:10 ComaDose wrote:
sorry for the fluffy post that was my first post and i'm really new to mafia but yes i did not support asmo as mayor

I legit have no history to read into in mafia and it seems like a lot of people know how others play from the past so i feel at a disadvantage and dont want to put myself out there too much making hard claims

who do i support for mayor... hmm... well LT, mordek, cixah, and asmo seem inclined to vote for plot. I dont know how common it is for someone to fake a claim but if he is on the level then a "neutral" mayor would probably lynch the most popular pick at the time in the thread which seems probably good.

I agree that soniv and wave seem to be doing good town work and maybe that would be an okay place to bestow the mayor mantle as well. might even stretch to include LT in this group because i feel like his statement about HF was more for bait than an actual clumsy scum move.

cixah was a proponent for asmo and only said plot would be an okay choice too but a few people are leaning toward thinking he is scum: soniv, VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, and wave seemed pretty set on voting for someone who would lynch him

Coma, there are a lot of words here, but you're not saying a whole lot. You're largely just summarizing what other people have said, and adding a bit of speculation. Do you have any soft reads? Any leanings?

The shit storm seems to be revolving around VE and Cixah as the most likely lynches presently. I don't understand why people are mad at VE so much, and interestingly Cixah is the one who pointed the finger there first. He just seemed frustrated by the shit storm. before that he was legitimately leaning on people which appeared to me to be in good faith detective work. Im not sure if freaking out after getting fingered (heh) is really scummy or if its just frustrated townie. If I recall Cixah and Req reacted with the same frustration last game and both flipped town. I'm not clearing them by any means but its consistent with what i said at the time. On the flip side I havn't really seen Cixah contribute as most of his finger pointing has just been at who ever is not participating at the moment.

You're not wrong that 6ah is acting similarly to how Req acted in the last game (although definitely less...extreme). And the reason I think 6ah is scum now is still similar to why I thought Req was scum. He is acting/reacting scummily. He got very defensive immediately when any shadow of doubt was pointed to him. I agree with VE that early D1 soft blue claiming is really terrible.

It is concerning to me that the trend seems to be to give some of the more veteran players a free pass to do fuck all for D1. BM, HF, VE (although less than the others), Dandelion, even Wave isn't really trying much. It's not a "try hard" game, but that doesn't mean it's not a "try" game. But they have done fairly little and I'm not really able to form any real read on them yet. Of them, my thoughts seem to be most in line with VE's at this point.

I guess in the end my read is "idiot that could be scum" because while I only quoted the terrible posts here he does have some decent ones. rarely. in between softness and flaccidity.
I would follow a lynch on him but I wouldn't fight for one, which ironically enough is the definition of a softpush.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

July 12 2015 14:23 GMT

#1325

coma:
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My gripe with him would be his timid play. would be amusing if he was scum with soniv, S O F T B O Y S all the way.
you can all see that for yourselves but I would like to point out

On July 03 2015 23:13 ComaDose wrote:
Your right im always scared to point fingers too hard because at this point its all speculation and being wrong sucks and makes me look bad. I do think summarizing who pushed where like i did is valuable and know i will reference it later. I'll be completely honest instead of forcing anything and summarize what I'm thinking.

[...]

And on to the only person I didn't mention in those ramblings:
##Vote plotspot
because I believe his claim and the odds suggest its more likely he will learn he is poster than mod.
also he said "everyone who votes for me will be remove from my lynch list" so i know I'm protecting a poster (myself) by voting for him if he wins.

blatantly playing for his own survival while his efforts at finding scum were (and are) rather shallow.

On July 07 2015 08:37 ComaDose wrote:
other people im suspicious of would be asmo even though he tried to pocket me

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based on his reaction to cixah even though it seemed to make sense at the time. it was pretty opportunistic.
the GB bandwagon with instant flip onto BM i dont know how to feel about but maybe he was trying to save his scum bro GB? but BM is one person I cant get a read on due to his lack of posting much.

Note for later

On July 07 2015 22:54 ComaDose wrote:
rereading the whole thread its not that crazy to guess mordek actually sheltered me considering he name dropped me out of the blue right before the canadian post
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487695-ot-vs-the-mods-mafia?page=33#657
but I dont know why he would pick me over wave

Trying to confirm himself town. And that's all this is, it's not like he's trying to push wave with it (which would at least have direction)

Not enough looking for scum, too much focus on surviving/being town-read.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

July 12 2015 14:39 GMT

#1326

asmo

I've pointed this out already but I'll do it again:

On July 02 2015 21:07 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Just so I'M not accused of doing nothing, I do find BM's sudden trust of me without reason to be suspicious. I want to know why THAT happened so I can find out if I'm just a random target or simply the victim of a whim, scum or otherwise. Soniv, you seem on the level, and bringing that much thought to this reads town to me. Also mordek gets an early town read because he's so juicy and I like him, but rules questions can be a cover for other nefarious things, so I'll be waaaaaatching.

See my opinion on Coma doing this.

On July 06 2015 12:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I'm having a tough time catching up, but I want to throw out something that's bothering me.

I still don't know what BillMurray's game is. So far, it's silently lurking from the shadows, throwing my name around randomly, and then jumping on the GB bandwagon. That's weird as shit and, unless I'm much mistaken (and oh shit have I been mistaken before), doesn't read as town.

I want to know what's up. Let's see if I can get any pressure on this since this bus appears to be slowing down.

##Unvote
##Vote BillMurray

Referring to the GB lynch as a bus....
Honestly I don't want to be all SCUMSLIP on this, when i was a little nublet i also once called a wagon a bus by accident, but it is a thing that happened.

He also keeps dropping BM like he's hot and picking him up again when he's cold.
Day 1 dropped for Cixah, the Day 2 association reads initally do have BM in them but he then kicks him out.

On July 07 2015 10:03 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Yup. Lt and Coma, you next.

On July 09 2015 04:47 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I will have to look back into BM's filter. I suspected him for scum before, but I want to reconfirm suspicions.

I still don't think Coma looks super good, but I'll double check on that as well.

I'm more on your wavelength about LT now soniv, but it's hard to shake that scum suspicion as well. We'll see.

On July 09 2015 04:48 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Oh yeah, plot.

Top contenders for me atm are BM and plot. LT and Coma are next, but that suspicion has waned as the day's gone on.

Such reads, much progression, many reasoning.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

July 12 2015 15:20 GMT

#1327

On July 03 2015 14:19 Bill Murray wrote:
anyways im going to start reading day 2 this is all preliminary for me

hasn't happened

On July 05 2015 05:45 Bill Murray wrote:
i told you this would happen if we didnt elect asmodeus
i fucking told you

lol I almost forgot about this fucking shit right here
for reference:

On July 04 2015 05:56 AsmodeusXI wrote:
My lynch vote, were I mayor, would go to a different annoying lurker (VE, holyflare) or 6ah.

Clearly he (either) hasn't read asmo's posts and/or he just wanted to say it to sound smart. No purpose or direction other than to try and make himself look better.

On July 06 2015 19:41 Bill Murray wrote:
i just played with GB scum and he was acting similarly to this fmp

On July 07 2015 04:31 Bill Murray wrote:
GB doesnt really look like scum GB here i would like a votecount plz mods

On July 07 2015 04:32 Bill Murray wrote:
I still don't mind to lynch GB though so ill probably keep my vote there because of how he will play towards me the longer he lives as either alignment due to a grudge from the last time we played together which is impairing his judgment

On July 07 2015 05:57 Bill Murray wrote:
actually i dont believe cixah's claim

I don't even.
Softpushing off GB, but keeping his vote on for a flimsy reason so he'd still get cred if GB is lynched. This is basically what to expect from a mafia when their vengeful buddy is up for lynch. "I wouldn't mind if he got lynched and will try and get partial credit for it, but I would prefer lynching a townie instead"

On July 08 2015 08:19 Bill Murray wrote:
i like lategame when there arent many voices left
i like seeing people flip
i hate being scum i enjoy being town
eventually i get the time to sit down and read a game and then i get concrete reads

Where?

Because what I'm seeing is

On July 08 2015 13:19 Bill Murray wrote:
yeah i think that's a slip
unvote;
##vote: lord tolkien

+ the things Lortolk pointed out except

On July 12 2015 13:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
ehm

"I actually believe plotspot"

So you vote to lynch town because policy. Even though your apparently #1 scumread was on him.

He didn't scumread him? All I see is a bit of trolly discredit D1.

Anyway, I do believe BM to be scum.
Reads, if he does have them (which is rare enough) are scummy and/or nonsensical. Broken promises and empty dreams.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

July 12 2015 15:35 GMT

#1328

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I believe asmodeus is the most likely to be BM's partner, from asmo's side we have the shuffling of potatoes when they are at differing temperatures I pointed out in the post on asmo

From BM's side we have a ill-explained push to get asmo elected d1, he hasn't read what he actually posted but still supported him, so he had reasons other than his posts, huh.
He has also functionally ignored asmo ever since, never put a read on him, nothing. Just look at it:

On July 08 2015 07:59 Bill Murray wrote:

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ok if i look bad if he flips town

i look good where he flipped scum

hold up

On July 09 2015 06:54 Bill Murray wrote:
jcarlsoniv and asmodeus are both hot on me too so that's cute

Smells like a bad scum player not knowing how to handle interactions with his partner.

It could MAYBE be Coma or soniv, coma see the "note" in my post on him, soniv has said to be "suspicious" of BM for a while but didn't really try to go anywhere with it. But since you probably would find the same thing in my filter (I haven't specifically checked but I've been suspicious of him for a while and I don't remember doing too much about it myself so chances are) I'm not sure I'm in any position to fault that lol

Oh and before i forget
##Vote Bill Murray

That said nothing is set in stone and who puts in effort at MYLO/LYLO is actually a pretty important part of reads, so don't think the day is over. I'm not above policy-lynching lurkers in MYLO. Just look me in the eyes. I'm crazy. I'd do it.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

July 12 2015 15:37 GMT

#1329

aite so my postgame credz would be BM/Asmo, took me just 3.5 hours.

Now we can go back to nobody posting! hype

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

July 12 2015 15:41 GMT

#1330

actually since i expected the whole game to take longer (god bless nobody posting) i still have some time to look into lt more, I'll casualy do this while playing league and doing RL shit

AsmodeusXI

United States15536 Posts

July 12 2015 18:54 GMT

#1331

Frankly, I'm cool with going back to this.

##Vote: BillMurray

Not like anyone's playing anyways, but for the record #notscum

ComaDose

Canada10357 Posts

July 12 2015 19:04 GMT

#1332

gj dandel. sorry i was afk at drag races which was pretty cool but made me feel american which was gross and i think i gained weight.
lets find the scum.
im inclined to believe its billy bob murray
im just bad so literally all i do is try and survive like you said. but i am town don't worry #lordtolkeinlevelsofarrogance #jinxfacenospace #guesswhatsinthespoiler + Show Spoiler [itsjinxfacenospace] +

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ive actually seen every episode of wonder showzen and i will admit i was not in an entirely sober state of mind at the time. or as nony would say substancesssss and arbitorrssss [image loading]