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On June 15 2015 03:15 KelsierSC wrote: i thought you agreed to stop playing for a year? Mafia is a game of agreeing about things and taking it back | ||
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On June 15 2015 21:33 Half the Sky wrote: This game is quite addicting, isn't it, GB?  Yeah! And sayinf that people are criminals in real life can generate very bad consequences, so I'd rather stick to TL | ||
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On June 17 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: CONFIRMED TOWN BITCHES Too much excitement, mafia On June 17 2015 07:04 rsoultin wrote: Hi and bye! So much more confirmed than hf XP Lack of excitement, mafia. On June 17 2015 07:07 boxerfred wrote: Onegu's chickens were stolen. We still didn't find them. Do you know where they are? Opening post is a comment on another post. I don't like it. Probs mafia On June 17 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: My fucking VT claim. I really think HtS RNG machine is broken... Have rolled VT in everyone of her games... Got scumread in his latest game for not claiming VT, immediately claims VT, insists with saying I'm VT. Mafia. is this blood? On June 17 2015 07:17 LightningStrike wrote: Doesn't seemed forced to me what part of it seems forced to you and why? Interest in the game, sounds like town LS On June 17 2015 07:19 NydusHerMain wrote: "My fucking vt claim" Just feels like really awkward phrasing. Doesn't feel genuine, kinda like he's missing a couple of words. Interesting reaction, feels like coming from town. Could be mafia going for the easy mislynch if Onegu is town. Keeping an eye on him. On June 17 2015 07:25 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't like kelsier either. Stupid thing to go on rofl. I think that if I saw someone else post what I did I'd be like "great that doesn't really mean anything. Let's move on" haha I like this post, reacting to thread progression. Probs town. On June 17 2015 07:25 LightningStrike wrote: Hmm maybe you're right there but I don't really think highly of him honestly but if he scum it wont just be because of his entrance but rather out stuff. Reinforcing townread on LS On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote: Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- Desinforcing (?) my townread on LS Really, man? You know I do this as any alignment. It's fucking weird that you point this out. | ||
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On June 17 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote: lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen. I have to agree. | ||
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Probs town LS Nydus Probs mafai Boxerfred Onegu Yeah. This little. | ||
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On June 17 2015 07:42 LightningStrike wrote: Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case: He knows me inside and out :o But now you're self aware of it and it can't be used anymore | ||
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On June 17 2015 07:55 VayneAuthority wrote: Lets play a game 7 Different Doors Each one meticulously hand crafted by a Scottish woodsman, thoroughly detailed and each different then the last in terms of the marking they bare. 16 Different Locks One for each door and nine that lead nowhere. Produced in a hardware store and done by machine, your run of the mill key. Behind each door is something worth at least 5,000 dollars. Your question - Given the circumstances, is it worth trying to match a key to the door for 500 dollars per attempt? No because SCOTTISH doors are always open to newcomers | ||
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On June 17 2015 07:59 LightningStrike wrote: I thought Damdred is your soul reader not GB :o I'm his body reader. Read: sexy | ||
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On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote: The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD Probs town LS Nydus Probs mafai Boxerfred Onegu Bugs Yeah. This little. Updated | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote: WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed How did you reach this conclusion? | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:08 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not going to speak for him, but given that he played with me in the previous game while you were busy being scum, and he actually uses his head (unlike you) you should consider thinking a bit more like him and a little less like you Wow! Now I'm offended! Please don't call me poophead or I'll ragequit | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote: Some but I wouldn't say I can judge who is good and who is bad nor would I really want to. I assume thats why you are asking me this question. I really liked his opening. I find it hard thinking that LS could make that first post as scum idk it just feels really genuine. Also the rest of his posts don't really seem forced which I think is one of the biggest giveaways for scum LS and is something that would be hard to change. Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum. ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/5d5f1c8da282ba8ed038a97c4fccf4a6/tumblr_inline_mkvnoovRz61qz4rgp.gif) | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:17 Breshke wrote: But you arn't even voting him. Is this a trap? It was  | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:16 LightningStrike wrote: Please don't ragequit or my heart will be sunk.... <3 | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:22 ritoky wrote: OI I ALREADY USED THIS GIF IN A PREVIOUS GAME! THIEFFFFF Blame GIFinder. Download it here: virus | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:21 ritoky wrote: to put it to you in other terms, it's like 5 pages in and my reads look like this: town: ritoky null: everyone else Impossible. Thread is moving incredibly fast and there are plenty of things to analyse already | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:30 rsoultin wrote: you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah? YOU TELL HIM, SIR! Err, ma'am | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote: oh this is gonna be fun ^^ let me break it down i think ls is town the "not town" part is my way of saying take it with a grain of salt BECAUSE (and this is the best part cause i love explaining myself five times) i have a tendency to townread him even when he's scum HOWEVER others who are better at reading him (i.e. damdy) also say town so i'm more comfortable with the read than i otherwise would be ^ the best part is all of that was in a much more concise package originally ^^ ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv795w3Dxv1r2zl9wo1_400.gif) | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:36 Breshke wrote: Yeah it was leading because I have a problem with how you consider yourself. I know you say you are a much better scum player than town player right? Yet you also think you are an easy townread which doesn't make sense if your scum play is better than your town play. Does it not mean people should be wary of you even if they are reading you town. Town Breshke. | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote: I'd propose this point. People are saying that LS has "posted a lot" and been active. But if you actually look at what he has done he has interjected into some jokes and then asked a bunch of questions which don't lead anywhere. Has he committed himself to a read so far? he has just defended people. LS recently got caught as scum I recall, easily the feedback could be, "you are easy to read by being lazy" so now all he does is shit post in the thread and get a town read. Like I feel very uncomfortable with everyone calling LS town and I think that he could easily be scum. Even if he could be scum, I think there is enough information in thread to focus a push on more dubious players at the time. Boxer fred posted and fucked off Ritoky refuses to give a single read, he is not reacting to any information-ful posts. Fidei is weird Onegu has a good shot because he was totes forced. Why are you so worried with LS having so many townreads at this point? | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:45 Onegu wrote: Hrmm wonder what I role I was this game. Does this post seem forced? You are all terrible. Rsoul scum because she says she can meta read me... So you're saying that usually lazy town Onegu searched for an opening in another game just to prove to the thread he is town? Also, you really don't see the difference between these two openings? | ||
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Probs town Kelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafai Onegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote: ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs town Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafai Onegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Rsoultin Updated | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:19 NydusHerMain wrote: What was weird about my post? You kept asking if I was a smurf and correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall you mentioning anything about my content. Taking Nydus out of the town list for this post | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:19 rsoultin wrote: lol now i feel like you're just trying to get my attention xP attention whore why don't you actually explain why my refusing to give a read on you makes me scum? an exercise! \o/ Because for someone that usually have a good tone read on me refusing to give me a read gives you more time to decide which direction you will take when fabricating one on me. If you're scum, obviously | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:26 NydusHerMain wrote: Didn't you just mod a game where I was scum? What? Yes So? | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:31 rsoultin wrote: selective memory. i was townreading you last game we played together when you were scuuuuuuum lol (that said i may actually have a read on you but now i'm just being a bitch and withholding for my own amusement  ooohhh baaaad scum!rsoul!)I'm gonna punch you With a flower A rose A red rose A blood rose | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:02 Damdred wrote: So... All a sudden my gut says shockey is town...it's for bassist reasons though, so I might ! have to hedge my bets like palmar I really hope you're not scum, because my reada are very very aligned with yours | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:22 NydusHerMain wrote: Because I'm pretty obviously town in comparison... I don't know why I really don't know But this response of yours REALLY felt like townie. I don't know what to do. | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote: GB pls no Was your list listed from like most scummy to least scummy? If not who do you think is most scummy? It wasn't, and I have a tie between Onegu and boxerfred right now. I think Onegu is a better lynch, actually I'm really wary of Kelsier now, btw. | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:56 rsoultin wrote: kk townreads at present: fidei damdy breshke gb ls in terms of certainty, and no, not all are strong, and no i haven't explained all of those anything else is leansYou You townread me???? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5R5LinD.gif) Please explain the fidei read? | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:57 rsoultin wrote: bf cause he didn't post why oneg? lol ksc has not been terribly impressive to me from the start xP His opening felt forced + his necessity of showing a similar opening (which is actually very different) was terrible | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:02 Holyflare wrote: well I know one alignment that wants to lynch confirmed town ^^ Town GB? | ||
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I think his attempt of rediscuss LS was actually an attempt to disrupt town ("let me raise suspicions on a guy I can raise suspicions so town doesn't actually make a good PoE list") Just how I felt. Of course I need other evidence, but it was enough to take him out of the town list | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote: when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you. however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done. Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players? | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:11 wherebugsgo wrote: nope give me a good reason we shouldn't lynch rsoultin. You could also comment on the post I just made on her motivations as well. Do you think she has a town motivation this game? What makes you think yes/no? I usually ignore her until LYLO. If she is alive we just vote her. I'm not really putting too much thought on her right now. Time will tell. | ||
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Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that. I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time. And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets. This fight between you two actually feels very weird. | ||
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Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town
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On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote: So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not. Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies? And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez. | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:54 Holyflare wrote: you don't have to bus each other you know I feel great that you also felt like this | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote: as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now I've read it. It's just about Damdred, though. This is the damning part of your gameplay here. You're not reacting to EVERY weird posts. You're reacting to rsoultin and questions directed solely to you, ONLY. | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:04 Holyflare wrote: well i'm taking your old meta on me and reversing it so you being an ass to me for no reason is scummy since we usually get along as town either way continue doing stuff bugsss i mean i can see where you're coming from i suppose but no motivation to explain things and stubbornness isn't a mafia trait, in fact it's usually a town trait? i'm gonna do some lawyer shenanigans right now though and mediate: bugs outline your main gripes in concise bullet point format rsoul answer them in concise bullet point format let's all be nice and hug it out Are you doing mediation in the court? | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:06 wherebugsgo wrote: since you want to know why I call you dumb, this is pretty much it. I am not responding to other posts because there is nothing of value to respond to. I am looking at other players but it makes no difference to me right now because it is not even halfway into day 1 and none of those reads at this time matter for anything. Right now I can't tell whether you are purposely being obtuse as scum or if you are town and you just legitimately didn't pay enough attention to my play last game. To refresh your memory, this is how I play day 1. I firmly believe that players should refrain from throwing reads into the mix when they do not have enough information because it gives scum the opportunity to influence them and react to them before they are validated. Last game you can see this in my play when I rather abruptly shifted from tunneling you to tunneling your teammate LS. At that juncture I had enough people telling me that you were town that I started looking for alternate possibilities while still attacking you (because I wasn't fully convinced otherwise). That effort paid off in the end and at no point did I want to lynch anyone other than LS that day. Given how much resistance I took then it was the right decision, and commenting on other players would've likely ruined my reads. Now obviously that game is different and I got quite mad and posted my spreadsheet kinda late into the day but I was really desperate for people to listen to me on LS. Here I kinda am feeling a similar situation in which I really believe rsoultin is scum but I am not getting any support for it. Let me tell you something: Calling people bad without good reasoning makes people not wanting to support you because your read is shit anyway. You're the one who comes to the thread and say O HAI PEOPLE TELL ME WHO IS GOOD AND HOW THEY PLAY SO I CAN FORM READS BASED ON IDENTITY and then people tell you THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THAT RSOULTIN IS SCUM FOR IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR HER and what is your answer? WHARRGARBL RSOULTIN SCUM I WON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. Nothing of value? Like the list post I've made? They have reasoning. You can help me talking about that reasoning. But you decide not to. You prefer to keep going against rsoultin. I'd rather lynch both of you now because all you're doing is shitting the thread. I'm sick of coming back to here and see a discussion that will lead nowhere. | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:19 NydusHerMain wrote: One thing that sticks out to me is that holyflare seems to be playing really strangely if he is scum. Kind of feels like a suicidal "obviously scummy" playstyle if he's scum. I haven't played with him ever so maybe I'm just reading it wrong but I feel like he's more likely to be town. Kind of annoying though. I heard he's a veteran and seems like he's not doing much. The main reason I signed up for this was because I saw him sign up -.- -1 townpoint for parroting me | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:33 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare <---- posted shit all for hours like the last 3 town games i do absolutely nothing at the start of the game while being around lol ##unvote ##vote rsoultin Sir, yes sir! | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:34 NydusHerMain wrote: Umm I hadn't even read your read on holyflare. How about a +1 townpoint for coming from the same mindset as me unless you're scum? Sure! + Show Spoiler + not. | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:35 rsoultin wrote: ... if you really feel this way that makes me sad gb I love you dear, you know that But I have to agree with holyflare and ritoky and a little bit with Robik EHMMM Bugs. | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:37 wherebugsgo wrote: ROFL yes, I think identity is important, but motivation is the most important. You can't use meta solely to call people scum because meta is hard to use and it's often not elucidative. That's why things like tonereads and blah blah whatever else you people call it nowadays are little more than copouts unless you can back them up extensively. Scum often use shitty meta to get away with not actually providing real motivational reads because it's easy to fake having a meta read. All you have to do is say that someone is not posting how they normally post and then bam, a bunch of stupid townies believe you because they have nothing better to go off of and they certainly don't have the time to fact check you. That's why when people use meta the onus is on them to provide the evidence. I like knowing who others think are good because it gives me good expectations. The problem is no one really gave me a good answer and besides Mig I don't really know anyone here anyway. Mig also hasn't bothered to post yet so what the fuck am I going to do with that? Also yes, the list post you made is worthless to me right now almost by virtue of being a list post. Why the fuck would you seed the thread with all of your reads before you can even be half confident in them? I would perhaps understand if you are close to 100% certain on particular players but given that one of your posts had 5 scum in a game with 17 people I seriously doubt you think that way about all of those in your list. also if you expect me to respond to this: then you should rethink your approach. Like I said before I'm not going to bother seeding the thread with my reads. Choose what you think is important, otherwise I'm not going to give you shit because your approach sucks. Do you need a mirror? | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:42 NydusHerMain wrote: How do you have onegu as scum for that reason? It sounds like you're saying that he was scum read for not claiming VT so he didn't need to claim VT? So why shouldn't he claim VT if he's being scumread in other games for not claiming it? Also, if you think he prefers playing scum, don't you think he'd be posting a bit more than just "gosh darnit I'm VT" ? Actually, I decided to go re-read his filter and I've got another impression on his opening. It felt... bored. Meh. Breshke is right, my read on Onegu is weak. Rescinding the scumread now. | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:45 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not unwilling to work with you. I just don't want to take your approach because I disagree with it. What exactly do you think is the benefit of putting forth so many reads less than 5 hours into the game? Discussion development. I give reads, you comment on them, I comment on your comments, we get information in thread. All those reads are weak, yes. But they are enough to get people talking. The first 24 hours of the game is all about gathering information IMO. | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:49 NydusHerMain wrote: @GB How strongly do you actually believe in your reads when you say something like "probably town" or "probably mafia?" I think I might just be getting thrown off by your choice of wording. Not strongly. Those reads are there exactly to discuss. As long as we keep discussing reads, the odds that town gets correctly organised gets bigger and bigger. I think that mafia has a hard time fabricating reads on people. REASONED list posts is HELL to mafia IMO. Plus they always get in some kind of contradiction when doing that constantly. So why not? Posts causes certain kind of reaction (even if they are weak) on townies because they DON'T HAVE PERFECT INFORMATION. They don't fabricate them, they come genuinely. Mafia, in the other hand, needs to fabricate reasons, and they do that according to their mafia agenda. When they try to actually see the game in the big picture, it gets very difficult to fabricate a whole world of reads. | ||
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I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly. Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb I trust her tone reads as genuine What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:04 rsoultin wrote: god does no one read my posts @.@ and they wonder why i don't bother actually fleshing out reads OOOOOOPS sorry VA, KSC and null HF right? | ||
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I would LOVE if you keep talking with each other but does not talk ABOUT each other. Can we get to this point? | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:11 Breshke wrote: I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together. But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell. GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it. The problem about the fight is that it felt unnatural to me. Keeping on a tunneled fight is what Damdred and GB did in a game before, since day1. Another Boring Mafia, I believe it's something like that. It's very easy to get this tunneled. I'm sheeping because it's an old promise, and I can always lynch him if he is wrong. Also, I said that HF is a very capable scum and I don't think him, as scum, would be playing the way he is playing. It's outside of his "safe zone". Weak reason, I know. But it's still indicative. | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:18 Damdred wrote: That takes awhile to typenon phone le sigh. However I have lots of good reads mow, so the game is going to be decent day 1 I can relate to this. Lots of townreads. | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:23 wherebugsgo wrote: wtf are you talking about yourself in the third person? I don't know. Ask GB | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:22 NydusHerMain wrote: I ignored it because I don't even get boxer's joke... Understanding his joke doesn't matter for the read I gave. Why being worried with a weak read on Onegu but not on a possible weak read on boxerfred? | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:26 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway I'm out of here, need to sleep. @GB if you didn't notice what I said earlier, I'm willing to discuss with you. I just want you to give me specific things you think are important. I'm not going to discuss big lists because I do not find them useful. If you disagree then obviously the best course of action for you is to work with me rather than expecting me to conform to your process, because I'm not sure in how many more ways I can say that I think dumping reads into the thread is a bad thing to do when I do not feel confident in doing so. Unfortunately I do not feel the same way as I felt in the previous game, although it is much earlier in the game now than it was then when I decided that I had a good handle on things. Yeah, I've read it. It's awesome to know that, by the way We will disagree on giving list posts, but we can work together on what we agree with. For now, I just want you to agree with me that we can analyse rsoultin on day2 - it's a common "policy" to not lynch the biggest filters on day1, and she has 6 pages :O I'm not lynching you either, which makes any discussion regarding deciding a lynch on any of you useless, at least to me. So I want someone that we can work together. I've read your suspicions on Damdred, I disagree with that. What do you think of boxerfred's opening? Like, he just made a joke and fucked off. Extreeeeemely weird. | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:31 NydusHerMain wrote: I mean if we want to get really picky, if he really is from Germany like it says on his TL profile thing, it would've been 4am when he made the joke so maybe he just wanted to get a "hello" post in before he went to sleep. ok fair enough | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote: I'm going to start calling you Ritbad since i'm not in your town list. However, i'm not sure if I would lynch Fidei86 or not, he buddied up to me pretty good.... But yea that list doesn't look bad to me Oneg is still null for me I guess. any scum read? | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote: nope it doesn't make it worse rit. GB, I currently don't have a scum lean/read its just a straight POE lynch list at this juncture. Most of everyone who posted anything considerable has looked pretty towny at this juncture. Not sure if its horrible or not that i'm not super paranoid at this moment Heh it's super weird, I can totally relate. I'm having close to NO scumreads at this point Super weird. | ||
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- Bill Murray - boxerfred - ShoCkeyy - VayneAuthority - Fidei86 - Mig - Onegu | ||
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"An attack doesn't work twice on a Saint" I would never bus Damdred that hard again But boy that Mafia team was AAAAWESOMEEEE | ||
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Good stuff, man. Good stuff. | ||
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On June 17 2015 16:10 Breshke wrote: I really don't like that post uhh GB my scum list is like the top of your lynch list is it bad that they are all afk's It probably means we are wrong lol. I'm just going to reevaluate everything tomorrow after we pass the 24 hours mark. I feel I will be flipping reads lol. We had enough people posting, now we go for the lurkers and lynch them if nothing new come from them | ||
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On June 17 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote: GB and NHM town : ))))) ##Vote: Onegu What about the Onegu rule you are so excited with, that got scum twice in the latest two games you played? | ||
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On June 17 2015 23:54 Holyflare wrote: i don't have to do anything lol Oh yeah, I forgot lol nvm + Show Spoiler + Seriously, help us if you're town because if you are you're already dead this night because blue hunters already know you're blue | ||
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First person to doubt your VT claim is Mafia? | ||
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I want a reason to scum read you, can't you help me? | ||
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On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? | ||
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On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote: people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming) It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either. | ||
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On June 18 2015 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote: and my read on him is not a "too dumb to be scum" thing which falls into the same category as what I described. It is dumb, but you need to ignore the fact that it is a dumb play. Dumb plays are normally not alignment indicative. It's the fact that the play attracts attention that is important. A claim day 1 attracts too much attention to ever be made by scum. Scum counter claim and make claims in situations where they absolutely have to in order to win. When they don't they've usually made a huge mistake and they often get punished really hard for it. If LS were scum here he'd know that a fake claim on day 1 would cause him to take a lot of attention and he'd never do that because his style is to slide by without actually doing anything or taking any attention. To call him scum for a play that is quite literally antithetical to his playstyle is quite possibly dumber than the play he did himself. What if I say that claiming a blue role with little pressure is his scum meta? | ||
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On June 18 2015 04:56 wherebugsgo wrote: no, not right now. His last post here was enough for me to give him a slide: While I think he is wrong on Kelsier he actually took some time to substantiate his counter point to me which I don't think scum would do that fast and on demand He linked an old game filter, in which VA was playing, I think, and that's Kelsier's first game. This is very easy to do as scum. | ||
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On June 18 2015 05:04 Holyflare wrote: like the only people to comment on boxerfreds posts are nydus and rsoultin, shame on all of you You really didn't read the game, then | ||
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On June 18 2015 05:01 wherebugsgo wrote: If you're saying that you are truly terrible as town. He didn't do that last game and I didn't see him do that in the games that I read. If he has done it as scum before then it's probably complete coincidence, because the claim itself is not alignment indicative. I don't know how many different ways I can say this but surface-level things are not indicators of anything. Stop using them in shitty ways to confirm your own biases. Thanks, I was looking for this answer. VA, I want to lynch you by a PoE tbh. I'm trying to see what people think of you. | ||
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On June 18 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote: FYI I Never had claimed blue as scum before simple as that for the counter point to GB said I had claimed blue as scum before -_- I wanted to see bugs response to that. Not that I really wanted to lynch you. | ||
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[QUOTE]On June 18 2015 05:53 ritoky wrote: [QUOTE]On June 18 2015 05:49 LightningStrike wrote: [QUOTE]On June 18 2015 05:48 ritoky wrote: [QUOTE]On June 18 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote: FYI I Never had claimed blue as scum before simple as that for the counter point to GB said I had claimed blue as scum before -_-[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On June 17 2015 07:11 LightningStrike wrote: [QUOTE]On June 17 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: My fucking VT claim. I really think HtS RNG machine is broken... Have rolled VT in everyone of her games...[/QUOTE] Sorry that VT claim wont fly you already cashed in on that in XXX so nice try you must prove to us that you are town other than a VT claim :o[/QUOTE] derp[/QUOTE] What those two posts you quoted for when you said derp?[/QUOTE] LS: "i never claim blue as scum" Onegu: "i only claim VT as town" see it now? choppa 4 reveals.[/QUOTE] [img]http://media.tumblr.com/6fc578a9ae5918e7723813db15c6001e/tumblr_inline_mugyjz5ZH21roj9wu.png[/img][/QUOTE ROFL Bugs, what do you think of Breshke? | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:14 rsoultin wrote: okay, well lol i'm going to continue to defy nhm cause i think it's hilarious that (she?) thinks that even if she's generally townread she can single-handedly get me lynched (hint, lovely: townread =/= right necessarily or that you have enough thread pull for it xP), cause i despise threats in general...while yes hypocritically making them woot \o/ but mostly cause i want to review everything which i couldn't do on my phone ^^ out for a bit then i'll be back, in my own time -ksc -shocckey were the two everyone's interested in, i think? leaning toward bf right now though KSC isn't going to be lynched today and I will fight his lynch with all my might. | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:12 Mig wrote: Hi I am here, few things I noticed so far 1) very unlikely that onegu/LS are both mafia together. They would have had to have planned out their beginning interaction with onegu claiming vt and LS snap attacking it and posting another game where he did it as scum. Seems unlikely considering LS reputation as lazy scum and the fact that onegu just disappeared from the thread after it. 2) gb's reactions to rsoul are extremely shady GB starts with an extremely soft defense and deflection away from rs + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: I usually ignore her until LYLO. If she is alive we just vote her. I'm not really putting too much thought on her right now. Time will tell. But following this you pretty much immediately vote her even tho you later defend her by saying you shouldn't vote for people with the longest filters day1 (why did you vote for her in the first place then?) While Gbs vote is still on her you say this + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly. Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb I trust her tone reads as genuine What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. If you are unsure of her alignment why are you telling people to trust her tone read on you? A lot of this strikes me as TMI, as in you already know rsouls alignment. You were willing to go along with possibly lynching her when bugs was pushing hard and the sentiment was against her but once it started to turn you softly back paddled. And now you are only focusing on lynching into lurkers. Along with all of this GB has like 20 town reads already but does he have any scum reads on people who aren't lurkers? So a couple questions GB, definitively do you think rsoul is more likely town or mafia? Also, who out of the active people do you think is the most likely to be mafia? I assume you dont believe the entire mafia team are within the lurkers. Rsoul I would also like to hear whether you think your tone read holds up on Gb and whether you think he is still town simply because he is disorganized. Her play as both alignments is very similar. But when she is town she is a threat to scum, usually, which means she won't survive until LYLO. When I said to "trust" her reads, I mean her reasoning, not that it was coming from either alignments. I chat a lot with her and she usually gives this tone reads while observing games and she was correct every time she did that. So, I meant that you can trust her reads are GENUINE, not FABRICATED. It doesn't defines her alignment. In other words, I prefer to treat her as town rather than mafia because she gave these reads and they look correct to me (I also feel Damdred is town and I'm town). I don't see mafia rsoultin calling both me and damdred town without actively trying to buddy us (she is definetly not trying to buddy me). Out of the active people, I'm flipping my reads a lot. I have problems with bugs and I'm starting to have problems with Holyflare, and somewhat reevaluating the townread I gave Breshke. If I had to choose ONE, I think I'd stick to bugs, I think. This is actually the first time I don't have a firm scumread at this point. The problem is that I'd rather lynch a question mark than an active mafia day1. I'm not carrying information-less people to later days. | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:22 rsoultin wrote: and i will actually read the cases people are bringing. if you'd like to counter it, be my guest is there a reason you demanded my presence beyond asking where damdy and i were pointlessly? Yes I missed you | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:30 Mig wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 06:23 GlowingBear wrote: Her play as both alignments is very similar. But when she is town she is a threat to scum, usually, which means she won't survive until LYLO. When I said to "trust" her reads, I mean her reasoning, not that it was coming from either alignments. I chat a lot with her and she usually gives this tone reads while observing games and she was correct every time she did that. So, I meant that you can trust her reads are GENUINE, not FABRICATED. It doesn't defines her alignment. In other words, I prefer to treat her as town rather than mafia because she gave these reads and they look correct to me (I also feel Damdred is town and I'm town). I don't see mafia rsoultin calling both me and damdred town without actively trying to buddy us (she is definetly not trying to buddy me). Out of the active people, I'm flipping my reads a lot. I have problems with bugs and I'm starting to have problems with Holyflare, and somewhat reevaluating the townread I gave Breshke. If I had to choose ONE, I think I'd stick to bugs, I think. This is actually the first time I don't have a firm scumread at this point. The problem is that I'd rather lynch a question mark than an active mafia day1. I'm not carrying information-less people to later days. 55 pages in and no scum reads :/ Ikr? | ||
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It's a pocket but it's also an ass. What are you trying to imply? Now, ritoky, who should we lynch? | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:20 ritoky wrote: could be a breast pocket too, shouldn't assume things son. i don't have a particularly clear mafia today if i am being honest. i am probably going to be more prone to sheep one of my town reads unless i find something solid i like. i think the most anti-town players are LS and bugs; but they could both be town cuz of stupid claiming and effort respectively. Why bugs is but rsoultin isn't? | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:30 Holyflare wrote: gb you gonna do anything? Not now I kinda don't feel like reading the game Will do something later | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:41 ritoky wrote: you gonna conclude somethin from dem questions or you just wearing lingerie then falling asleep Sorry dear, I know I'm wearing a lingerie but I think we are going way too fast... | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:42 rsoultin wrote: ... gb maybe scum after all liked yesterday but today was crap and then this BUT, BUT DEAR | ||
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On June 18 2015 08:08 rsoultin wrote: be townie? lol nah seriously you don't feel that interested to me today i'm just not gonna bother with people saying i'm "town" until lylo...i always feel that people overestimate my scumgame, but most continue to do it anyway, and it doesn't make them scum Well, I'm not interested. It doesn't make me scum, though. I just don't feel like putting too much thoughts in people's stuff right now This is why, exactly: people are discussing people I won't lynch today, no matter how scummy they sound. I've already gave my PoE list and it didn't change much. For instance, I'm waiting for Mig to jump on me, but I'm left unimpressed. I was the first suspicions he brought in thread after 60 pages, he said OMG YOU HAVE NO SCUMREAD WITH 60 PAGES OF THREAD, I said NO, and he was OK, RSOULTIN YOU WEIRD K My gameplay completely dropped. I am his first suspicion. But I'm having no pressure from him. It is just feeling that he wanted to look contributive while not even believing in his suspicions + derail town throwing suspicions on me. | ||
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On June 18 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote: the dude just turned up lol? He ninja'ed me. | ||
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On June 18 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote: Yet you say nothing about any of the cases i made on bf and continue to do something you criticised me earlier for? Ok dude I am voting boxerfred? I was the first to cast suspicions on him? I don't get what the problem is. | ||
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On June 18 2015 08:47 Holyflare wrote: Like you literally lectured bugs about how we should be open and talk about all the reasons for reading everybody a certain way and now you say you don't want to talk about them. Hahahahaha gb, your team full of afkers? Considering not every lurker is Mafia, it probably is | ||
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On June 18 2015 08:37 Mig wrote: Gbs plan is to try and look scummy, contribute nothing and then if you discuss anyone besides him calls you suspicious. Solid. Do you actually believe any of my posts are coming from a mafia mindset Gb? Or are you just trying to paint me poorly since I actually questioned your posts. I'm evaluating your thought process. I just found weird that after 55 pages of thread you raise a suspicion on me (completely fine), inquires me (completely fine), I answer poorly and instead of keep pressuring me and calling me scum, you go after someone else (not fine) Am I scum? | ||
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On June 18 2015 09:09 GlowingBear wrote: Considering not every lurker is Mafia, it probably is By the way, HF, I think giving reads on someone and discussing a possible lynch are two distinct things. I can give reads on everyone and discuss just the people I want to lynch. That's not what is happening here. | ||
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On June 18 2015 09:34 Holyflare wrote: yeh you haven't said shit about bf other than his first post so there's that ARGH FINE, I'LL DO SHIT | ||
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On June 18 2015 09:57 Lohengramm wrote: I feel like this is pretty awful at least he realizes he's awful feels off the tone of his posting is to trollish. as town he seems more dickish and tryhard. no like. this is what I have so far you guys deal with it Rayn pls | ||
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On June 18 2015 09:50 Holyflare wrote: what a crap question he has no idea who i am Doesn't he? I think you're a well known veteran player. He even says that. Anyway, different question: why does his filter fits better a mafia perspective than a townie? Why does it can come from a newbie townie? | ||
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a) picked something out at random and called it scummy for the sake of calling something scummy b) made a false timeline of events c) decided to ignore the actual reasons for the post and take the post of out context d) negate his entire post by asking a redundant meta question These reasons you picked from him to call him scum. I can see him coming from both perspectives regarding this Town POV (a) I can see a newbie looking at something that, for him, is scummy - someone displaying a self meta to call himself town. You saying that he did it just for the sake of calling something scummy is an interpretation of yours, but could not be his intention (nothing in his gameplay shows this - he actually voted you and pressured you) (b) 60 pages in 24 hours can make you mix things when you are skimming through the thread. You've seen me doing that as town quite a few times. (c) see point b (d) what question is that? Mafia POV 1) I think that it is weird that he says he skimmed through the topic but only payed attention in you and Kelsier. I don't see why a town would do that. More than that, he doesn't say much about Kelsier, the guy he payed more attention to. If he really skimmed the thread, I would expect the had an opinion on more proeminent players under discussion, like LS. This kind of disconnection sounds mafia to me. 2) Opening is mafia-ish, I expect townies to come to the thread and post whatever shit they want and keep going. He made an opening commenting someone's post (easier opening for mafia) + immediately peaced out. Why even bother posting? That's all I have on him. I read him as mafia, but I disagree with all your points. | ||
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On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote: Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads. Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you. The bolded is complete WIFOM | ||
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On June 18 2015 11:27 LightningStrike wrote: Why go smurf hunt if the guy is a smurf esp given what happened in our last game? This seems confusing because Bugs did this on to you last game and now you doing this? Very odd. LOL LS now I really want to vote you, just for this. I've NEVER called him scum nor town for smurfing and it makes no difference to me to define his alignment, which was EXACTLY what bugs was doing last game. | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:24 rsoultin wrote: -sits on gb's head- silence whargarbler BUT MA'AM! DID YOU SEE THAT? | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:27 LightningStrike wrote: Bad Bear I not scum I already told you I Named VT not fucking anything else bro -_- You said it's odd that I'm smurf hunting when I just said RAYN PLS. Like. PLS. Your claim doesn't mean much when you keep doing scummy things, dear. | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote: Lean town I liked his list post a while back, reads felt good. Seems fairly tunneled on LS but when you read over it it feels fairly townie because LS hasn't really given him a reason to get out of that tunnel other than claiming blue but i understand why this would not change ksc's opinion. You could also look at it that ksc is jsut trying to push ane asy misslynch but when i read his posts i feel real frustration from him when LS doesn't really give him any answers. So i think it is much more likely to be a townie thing. How about yourself? Other than the length of his filter. Never really bothered to read him. Feels townie. What do you think of that thing I said before about KSC trying to raise suspicions to disrupt town? | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:43 LightningStrike wrote: Because from the way I read it was like you calling him Rayn(Who is usually a jerk as scum) and we shouldn't really care about the smurf's aka as long they help us as town. Here is my problem: I never intended to put effort in smurf hunting by calling him Rayn. I do this everytime with smurfs. Your interpretation was a huge overreaction. But the biggest problem is not that you looked at me and said: "GB we shouldn't smurf hunt dude" if you really read me as town. My concern is that you just posted "WOW YOU'RE SMURF HUNTING THAT'S ODD" in such a way that you clearly was throwing suspicions at me. Why throwing suspicions like that on someone you think is town instead of simply SUGGESTING that I should not scum hunt? | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote: dude haven't i already told you to let this go -_- even if ls is scum this has no bearing on his alignment. stop quibbling over trivialities How come not? He saw an opportunity to discredit me and took it, even while townreading me. Tell me how a town would react this way. | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:01 ritoky wrote: real life shit and LS' posting. i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game. oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit. the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble. The second one being...? | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:21 Breshke wrote: I assume this is meant to say town reading. I'm not. But he is LS's biggest scumread and instead of convincing me he is scum LS decides respond to random stuff that doesn't matter. And why do you need LS to convince YOU that SHOCKEY is scum? | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:21 LightningStrike wrote: The bolded is bull shit I actually been trying to convince you on my case but instead I facing a brick wall from everyone but it prob because everyone thing I a Mason with Damdred it just me and Damdred work well together -_-. Wait, you're masoned with Damdred or not? | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:23 LightningStrike wrote: I thought I answered it clearly but apparently you can't read it but here a even clear answer: No I not masoned with Damdred. Calm down. I've already dropped the suspicions on you. I do these kind of questions on purpose. | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:25 rsoultin wrote: lol >< you're catching me in the middle of my filter dives so i think this may change suddenly so bear with me :/ currently you, fidei and ksc are my top towns just got finished diving shockey and i dunnae...maybe you wouldn't mind taking a look at his filter? it doesn't actually seem that bad like the push on damdy was when damdy gave pretty paintbrush reads after being asked to substantiate them, which i think is fairly justified...plus you know, he posts an entire list of everyone and then criticizes damdy for 3...to me that seems like maybe he thinks posting lists like that is the right thing for town to do lol >< not a townread but i don't think i really want to lynch him today anymore WAIT I'M NOT TOP THREE WTFFFFFFFF | ||
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- Lohengramm - ShoCkeyy - Fidei86 - Breshke - Mig - VayneAuthority - boxerfred Not in order. Rsoultin and ritoky, is there anyone from here you don't want to lynch today? | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:32 LightningStrike wrote: I just feel frustrated with how people are treating me. This is a game based on discussion and being suspicious of everybody. You're just not helping because you're doing suspicious things which is kinda invalidating your reads. Don't worry, tho. I may be WHARRGARBLing on you but I will protect you from harm on day1 | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:34 ritoky wrote: the problem is that is a list of low post count/low hanging fruit in a lot of cases which means i am probably wrong somewhere, but w/e. breshke and fid would be the last 2 i lynch on that list atm, but if a case was made that was good i could be convinced. Lost post count is exactly what made this list + some scummy things in some of the filters. Like, if I had to put in order form LYNCH NOW to DUNNO LOL, it would be something like this: - Breshke - ShoCkeyy - Lohengramm - boxerfred - VayneAuthority - Mig - Fidei86 Yes, I totally flipped my read on Breshke | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 | ||
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I can see him coming from town perspective, which makes me very uneasy on him. I don't know, maybe I should rearrange the lynch list at some point, but that's basically it. I just think we are too disorganised and that we should narrow the lynch discussion today. | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:41 ritoky wrote: then what do you make of this interaction in the nested quotes between me and breshke? also the extra lines at end of posts always make me want to robik read people. I'm not really worried about his "meta read" on bugs. I can see him doing that as town too. What worries me, for example, as that he quickly defended me in the beginning of the game. I felt it was townie but now, after reevaluating it, I was scum last game and he was calling me town there. I think if he got an impression on how bugs plays the game based on the latest game they played together, he would be wary of me today. But he isn't. Also there are these little not-very-alignment-indicative things in his filter but I you add them up, they gain scum-body. I love neologism. | ||
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What about the list I proposed? Anyone there that you don't want to lynch today? | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:59 Holyflare wrote: I would absolutely add gb to any lynch list by the way, says he was going to do shit and then just afk'd and asked me questions about stuff that I've made very clear and then went the full route of hipster mafia saying my reasons for bf were bad and instead still thinks he's mafia for the first post in the game. Then he just picks at irrelevant shit repeatedly - ls, breshke etc Tell me what is irrelevant on Breshke | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:03 rsoultin wrote: i responded to that already i thought? regardless just posted my much shorter list Well just saw it now it's like 3 am here, I'm kinda braindead atm. | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:58 ritoky wrote: GB, any semblance of a read on VA? cuz he is kinda toward the middle of your ranking rather than "I DONT FUCKIN KNOW" territory. I can't read VA I don't trust any of his reads. I don't see an actual attempt to solve the game in his filter. But him being in the middle is because I have some kind very faint town read on people in the bottom. | ||
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On June 18 2015 09:57 Lohengramm wrote: I feel like this is pretty awful at least he realizes he's awful feels off the tone of his posting is to trollish. as town he seems more dickish and tryhard. no like. this is what I have so far you guys deal with it You see, this guy has 6 posts. 5 are him saying that he will not read the thread LOL will read the thread now after I decide who to lynch LOL TROLLY TROLLY TROLLY Then after 60 pages of thread he throws these faint suspicions on posts from the first 3 pages of thread and fucks off. -.- | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote: Which would mean you have at least a town lean on everyone else not on the list right? So what happened to this guy to make you read him town? I've reevaluated him later, he looks like town Onegu. | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:13 Holyflare wrote: Nitpicking uselessly at breshke asking ls to explain himself more thoroughly and elaborate on more points. You asked him the most retarded question which just blatantly threw him off kilter from that line of thought WHILE TELLING LS THAT HE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND LOOKS SCUMMY. Like how on earth do you defend ls while saying he looks scummy while attacking the guy who is trying to make the scummy looking guy divulge more info. You don't unless you aren't thinking and are instead just saying things for the sake of saying them. HF, LS has 8 pages of filter and he claimed a role. This is enough for me to give him a town pass. It's not because he is making scummy things that he is necessarily scum. Come on. You know that talkative people will have things to be picked on their filter regardless of alignment. I'm not attacking Breshke because he was inquiring LS. I just reevaluated my read on him. Do you think Breshke is town? | ||
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Lazy, inactive, genuinely upset that he rolled VT. | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:23 Holyflare wrote: Yet you were more than comfortable to keep calling ls mafia for him calling out the smurf hunting thing? Sure gb, i believe this crap you're trying to sell me. I have no reason to scum read breshke atm and everything he says is logical and well thought out so yeh towny Quote a post where I called him mafia. | ||
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I did NOT try to stop Breshke from calling LS out. I just felt Breshke is looking scummy to me and I pointed that out. | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:27 Holyflare wrote: Pretty much the entire page of you needlessly nitpicking at the guy you're now telling me is totally townie for things that existed before you made this page of posts. He did something weird, I tunneled, rsoultin took me out of it, I've let it go. You're the one nitpicking here. | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:33 Holyflare wrote: This new chain of events is: Ls chas 8 pages of filter Gb does shit all Hf calls him out Gb says he'll do stuff Gb doesn't do stuff Gb goes hipster and denounces all bf reads while imploring that his bf read of his first post is the best read Gb pointlessly asks useless questions to ls and breshke that lead to nothing Hf calls out gb for ls bs reads page Gb says ls gets town pass cz 8 pages of filter and blue claim Hf laughs at the bs false time line of events and lies I am doing stuff? Like trying to organise town and giving more substantialized reads? | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:41 ritoky wrote: fukkkk=cckkkckckfndjkkckck i gotta go to jack in the box again? pregnant wives and their cravings man. shit blows. brb. GL rit. BTW I'm going to sleep. 4 AM. | ||
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Kelsier I won't even read your case. You guys want to lynch very active people on day1. It's ridiculous. Argh. | ||
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On June 18 2015 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't have the time to answer your questions about townreads, in particular my change on you because to me they're irrelevant and not worth the time. In fact, even this to me is a waste of time because I can't believe that I am actually arguing about this. You even considering wasting a vote to get that kind of information to me is really puzzling because I can't see in which world any of that information would be useful to you. Vote me if you think I am scum, but don't act like any other reason would be a valid one. Why is it that every time you post something in response to someone you manage to mangle or misread it completely? Just because I said I was unsure on LS prior to the claim it does not mean I found him scummy. You say he made a horrible claim, which I agree. The fact that you think it is alignment indicative (of LS being scum, no less) is the reason I think you are scum. Your only reasoning for the claim being indicative of LS being scum is "horrible" while I have consistently pointed out why it makes no sense from a scum PERSPECTIVE. You are obviously not this stupid so my best assumption here is that you are purposely choosing to refuse to back down because you are scum and flipping your read at this point would be too dangerous. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. Take a look at this: One of his first posts, it appears he felt pretty strongly about LS early on because he was one of the only players he bothered posting about. And again, not too long after: The interesting thing here is that he has onegu and LS on opposite sides, yet he doesn't react to onegu voting LS later... then, after the claim: as soon as I start defending him right then and there really hard, GB does this: then this, in which he actually doesn't really take an opinion one way or another which to me was pretty strange: and then finally he does this: He also said some lie about blue claiming being in LS's meta which he claimed was some sort of test for what my response would be but it seemed forced to me. Most of the posts you've quoted were built for the same of reaction testing, including the "LS claims blue as scum" meta, which I said to gauge your answer (if you said you don't care for his meta or you don't know what his meta is you would be straight up lying and I would vote you at he exact instant! I find hard to believe that you don't see a distinct gameplay from this game to the another | ||
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This kind of disorganisation always lead into a mislynch, since it's very easy for scum to manipulate people into voting who they want to. | ||
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The ones you said, I could get behind yamato, bf and shockey Gonna make a case on Breshke later | ||
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On June 19 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote: Also gb how on earth am i supposed to know you're town? You're pushing basically 0 people. You complain about thread not consolidating and then just make arbitrary lists of low content posters while exclaiming you just won't read actual cases on people. You said you were gonna sheep me and did while exclaiming your dislike for the wagon based on 0 reasons (on rsoul, identical to you as mafia in got) you then just did absolutely nothing till i forced you to and have still done nothing. You're all about getting the thread to do stuff while doing no stuff and picking out weird things that don't make people mafia to push on with these weird fake questions too. Please explain to me how that should equate to a town gb. Town GB does these things. Mafia GB is way more concise and focused. I'm not pushing people, yes. I also said that this game is weird because I'm having no strong scum read. I am scum reading Breshke now but I have yet to make a case on him. I just think that day1 is a day we can afford a mislynch, so we remove the scummy question marks. I've always advocate on behalf of this since Avogadro Mini Mafia. I'd rather lynch a question mark rather than a super scummy person on day one, because we reach LYLO and we have 0 information on someone, we are screwed. That said, I've proposed that list to narrow who I would lynch. Then I wanted to know from my townies who they wouldn't lynch so I could narrow it even more, and so we can discuss things with more focus. I believe town organisation is one of the most important assets in the game. I trust that most of my townreads are correct. | ||
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If not, why would Mafia!GB make a list of inactives and let town decide who to remove or not from there? It makes no sense from a Mafia perspective | ||
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On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote: lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question. that right? Exactly!!! | ||
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On June 19 2015 01:43 KelsierSC wrote: GB i'd actually be interested in what you had to say about breshke. reading through his filter I get the feeling that he was pairing shockey off against LS. like read his filter from page 2 onwards I will do that. Give me one hour or two I'm with you regarding bugs, tho. He is probably Mafia. | ||
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On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote: I see I have been ninjaed. Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died. The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically. GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA. What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. Haven't read you filter yet I base day1 on biggest filters, not the whole game | ||
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Bugs you're scum because last game you were very inclined to lynch lurkers or at least tried to put pressure in them. You start doing that here (voting Mig). Then you completely forget the lurkers. Now I am proposing we should go against lurkers, and you are calling me scum for that, which makes no sense. More than that, you said Mig was the only one you played together with, which means you have a good grasp of his gameplay. You started the game by voting him. He came back to the thread and I have no idea what you think of him. You didn't push him, you didn't try to work with him. You simply ignored him, which is very contradictory with your opening in this game. Also, you're one to overestimate meta. You're calling me scum but you didn't even try to read my previous games. I said once: "I do this since Avogadro". I would expect you to go take a look at least into that game. You're not doing it. For someone that says that IDENTITY plays a big part in your reads, you're not caring at all for mine before calling me scum. In other words, your discourse doesn't match your current gameplay. | ||
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On June 19 2015 02:42 wherebugsgo wrote: wat I didn't try to lynch lurkers last game. This is a complete lie. I DEFENDED stutters, but of course you would not choose to remember that because you are scum. also lol @ the meta shit, it takes a huge amount of time to read meta properly and I have been calling you scum for maybe two hours now. If you are really town you wouldn't even consider me scum this game given all that I have done, but of course you aren't seeing reason. Or maybe I'm just wrong and you are so terrible that you can't hold proper reads simply because you don't know what proper reads are-perhaps that's why you smurfed last game, because you are bad and everyone knows how terrible you are. However I don't think anyone with as many games as you can possibly be that bad to call me scum this game. Well I can be this bad. And I will lynch you anyway, because you suck | ||
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On June 19 2015 02:45 wherebugsgo wrote: also the thing on Mig is another lie. I didn't want to disclose my read on Mig and I didn't really have an interest in discussing anything with him because there was already so much going on and I needed to catch up. I also didn't ignore him at all which is a huge red flag for GB that he is clearly not reading my posts. Proof in point here: here I responded to rsoultin's question on Mig. Saying that I've ignored him is wholly disingenuous and another reason GB is scum. LOL yeah, you ANSWERED a DIRECTED QUESTION. Congrats, you're totally not ignoring someone you SHOULD be interacting with WITHOUT being needed to being asked for. Argh, get out | ||
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.:Case on Breshke:. 1) Town read on LS but willingness to lynch him + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 07:54 Breshke wrote: WBG trying to sniff out the smurfs. It is like it's a holy crusade. I agree with GB that LS is town. This post gives me good townie feelings On June 18 2015 18:38 Breshke wrote: My Vote is on BF but it is very likely ill switch to LS. Lohen you say the blueclaim comes from town ls more likely than mafia ls. Why does town LS claim blue there Out of spoiler because it is important: On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote: Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads. Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you. This WIFOM is very uncharacteristic and makes no sense IMO. Felt like he saw an opportunity to fake contribution with something that noone can rely upon. 2) Faint defense on me without actually giving thoughts on why my posts sounded townie/mafia + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote: Some but I wouldn't say I can judge who is good and who is bad nor would I really want to. I assume thats why you are asking me this question. I really liked his opening. I find it hard thinking that LS could make that first post as scum idk it just feels really genuine. Also the rest of his posts don't really seem forced which I think is one of the biggest giveaways for scum LS and is something that would be hard to change. Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum. On June 17 2015 08:30 Breshke wrote: SO you think GB should try meta read you off of one game? On June 17 2015 08:55 Breshke wrote: hmm. I assumed your self rating of your scum play would be higher since in witch you said you were 90% sure you were better than me as scum. I guess this fits in with your other opinion that 99% of people on this forum are bad at playing scum. But moving on. If you think it is obvious that you are town because of the effort you put in how do you think GB would read you town when you havn't shown to be putting in this extra effort yet this game. Not that you havn't been putting in effort but I wouldn't say it compares yet to last game. This has a lot to do with being two hours in but still I don't follow how you think GB should have that read on you. This also isn't really going anywhere because I don't think it makes you scum I just think it shows that you want to call GB bad. The greatest problem here is that he townread me very fast in our latest games but he doesn't hesitate to give me a town read here, which is weird. I'd expect a townie to be more paranoid. 3) Constantly white knighting without having any real pushes/reads other than null + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 11:08 Breshke wrote: WBG let me explain this for you. Rsoul used to think she had a good read on LS because she caught him scum in her first game but then basically townread him almost every game after that. She was obviously wrong eventually and realized her read was either wrong or LS changed his play. She still gets those frequent townreads on LS so when she was reading LS town this game she was hesitant about it but then because many others were also reading him town she felt less bad about it. Now explain if the above thing is scummy or not because i ceebs you and rsoul going at it because she explained it in an rsoul way and you reacted to it in a bugs way On June 17 2015 11:28 Breshke wrote: Yes yes yes this. The fight isn't going to go anywhere either because I think you are both too stubborn and 20 posts later you are still going to be going on about the same thing. So let's move on and come back later if need be. On June 17 2015 11:40 Breshke wrote: I missed this but good point I kind of think your reason for scumming onegu is weak. I get that the way he worded the VT claim was awkward but I think thats townie if it is alignment indicative at all. I feel he would be more like careful of the post as scum. To me, it sounds like a mafia trying to look contributive townie without actually having to work with pressuring people and solving the game. 4) Sudden easy townread on me and bugs even when bugs said he was better as scum and after playing a game where I was scum and got Breshke calling me basically confirmed town. + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 13:46 Breshke wrote: Bugs is very similar to last game and is acting exactly how i expect him too as town for example almost started going after nydus because he thought he was a smurf, continued to hunt for good players to try and get their opinions. I also liked the effort he out in when i asked him to dive damdred. Rsoul i wont count the most recent thing i said because that was after i posted that. I don't actually remember the reason I think it was a gut thing or because she was being difficult. On June 17 2015 16:09 Breshke wrote: I'm not very good at getting scumreads in games that move this fast I tend to focus too much on the moment and not the big picture of the game and dont go back and really read stuff so you are probably going to be dissapointed nydus I currently have three people I would lynch. boxerfred bill Murray shockey Boxer for his one post on a joke then leaving. Makes me think he isn't intrested in people allighnments Bill murray for HF's thing. I can see him confirming and then not being bothered to play it out if he rolled scum again after last game. and shockey because he disagrees with basically everyone on LS yet didn't seem to enquire with anyone about it. Which also makes me think he didn't really care about his read. All 3 of these are obviously very inactive which is probably a bad thing. I do however think GB and rsoultin are both really town. GB for his general play and how he has been treating bugs and how fluid his reads have been and rsoultin for how she claimed to get a read on me this game. I also still think LS is town for all earlier reasons and it doesn't change my read that he hasn't been around. Damdred is also in my town pile even though I havn't looked into him much at all but i trust rso's read and I like it even more because my other top town gb said to trust rso's read. I also like this post for ritoky Because I think it would have been so easy for him to shit on me there but he didn't. Again, I've just played a game with him as scum and he was townreading me. I'd expect him to be more cautious if he is town. Bugs is the same. Breshke accepted the idea that bugs can be better as scum than as town, but doesn't hesitate to give bugs a town read. 5) Having suspicions on Shockey but needing LS to convince him that Shockey is scum + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 10:39 Breshke wrote: @Shockey I don't have a problem with you not having that much time to play but when you have a read that is the oppisite to the thread I find it not townie that when you are around you don't try to discuss this read and either work out if you are wrong or try and convince people they are wrong. When i first read this it felt really genuine but on re read "lay the hammer" is really awkward wording and feels forced. I don't agree with damdreds thing on shockey ebcause when shockey said "do you think this has any value" or whateve i don't think he was calling damdred scum more like is this useful to talk about. Would also still lynch BF because of the HF stuff. Although im fairly sure it is based off a misunderstanding but that doesn't really make me think it is not scummy because it shows that BF most likely went into it wanting to scum HF. I could be wrong tell me if I am but yeah so BF says that HF knows his own meta so can't use it to defend himself or whatever but this was never actually what happend. What actually happened was that rsoul said "this is your meta you arn't doing this" and then HF said "no this is actually my meta i am doing this". While still kind of using his meta in defense he wasn't the first to bring it up so he isn't saying he is town because he is following his meta he is saying rsouls accusation is bullshit. @BF can you tell me if what i wrote above changes your views on anything i get i didn't express it very well On June 18 2015 13:48 Breshke wrote: So your three reasons for scumming him were 1 bad list post 2. makes excuses 3. posts seemed forced But 3 is actually just 1 and 2 because the posts you said seemed forced are the list post and him making an excuse. Frankly i don't think shockey saying shit about not posting much is alignment indicative for him since he did it in witch (might have been post game) but he did do it so it is something he would complain about as either alignment. I don't know what to say to you LS it doesn't feel like you really think he is scum. On June 18 2015 14:02 Breshke wrote: LS you still havn't convinced me on shockeyy. Ive shown you he talked about not being able to post a lot in a game where he was town. So why do his excuses this game make him scum? This push doesn't feel natural IMO. It feels like he isn't okay with the boxer lynch and wants to find a reason to vote LS. If he found Shockey suspicions, I don't understand why he doesn't like the push LS is doing AGAINST Shockey. I'd expect Breshke to go against shockey instead of going against LS. LS has his particular style of play and LS not going further with his read doesn't make it alignment indicative IMO. 6) This post. On June 17 2015 16:10 Breshke wrote: I really don't like that post uhh GB my scum list is like the top of your lynch list is it bad that they are all afk's What was he trying to accomplish with this question? It's horrible. "Is it bad?", I don't see townies having this need of confirmation from another townie. I admit this is weak, tho. | ||
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On June 19 2015 03:07 wherebugsgo wrote: why are you making such assumptions? Oh right, cause you're scum Because you're relying on him to decide if you're tunneled or not. Why would you rely on a player that you don't have a townread? | ||
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On June 08 2015 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote: It's not beneficial because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. It's only beneficial when that townie actually does something, which is usually the case when they are good. Which is why I told you, if that's the case (and you would know!) you certainly don't have to reveal yourself. Your failure to recognize this point is now really damning. I have pointed it out multiple times, yet you are completely fixated on cherry picking my posts. I have invited you to provide scumreads, and invited you to answer many questions that could prove without a shadow of a doubt that you are indeed town, but repeatedly you have failed to do so. If I were scum I would shoot the person with the best reads. It's clearly not you, because you're scum. It wouldn't matter if I'm talking to Foolishness in this game (and you're certainly not him) because your logic and your behaviour is unexplainable from a town perspective. You selectively cherry pick my posts in a way that paints you in the best light, and you repeatedly attempt to undermine my arguments by calling them bad without a shred of evidence backing you up. I'm going to stop crapping up the thread with you directly now, since it's probably just going to continue to scare people off from posting...although I don't really like how slow everyone is to come in and get involved. Again, to everyone in the game: PLEASE contribute, because we need a valid and diverse set of good perspectives to win this game of elimination. On June 09 2015 02:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Yamato are you ignoring me or did you just miss my post? I don't need your opinion on FF anymore but would like to know who you dislike aside from the lurkers. I think we have two potential lynches that are far better than lurker lynches. I aould give one of them like 95% chance of turning scum. I'm wondering if you have seen any player you would put in that category. This post shows that Bugs would consider lynching lurkers if he didn't have a better target. He is just having a strong scumread NOW, against me. + Show Spoiler [more from last game] + On June 09 2015 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote: idk, I personally wouldn't put much into that. First it was he/she and it could have been a matter of convenience to say "she". I know some people default to female pronouns when they are unsure. Even so, Tubesock could know FF's identity through some other means, e.g. they talked to a particular player and knew they were going to smurf in this game. With that said though, if Tubesock indeed does know FF's identity then it makes them both far more likely to be scum. That would be unfortunate (and rather weird, too) because I actually don't really think that's the case right now. ##unvote Gonna think for a bit, the lack of feedback from players is a little disappointing. bats, talk to me a bit. What do you think of other players in the game right now? Is this what you would expect from town yamato, onegu, Lightning? Have you played with Bill Murray before, and do you think he is town this game? You can see that he is worried about people that doesn't post much. He clearly goes for batsnacks here. I don't see this kind of attitude in this game. He was way more open minded in the last game. I think his post style here is very different. | ||
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On June 19 2015 03:20 KelsierSC wrote: as to the other points point 2 and point 4. if he has a faint defence of you and then time elapses and he calls you town it doesn't make it a sudden town read no? point 6. isn't collaboration etc your whole thing now? overall the case is bad In that mean time, he admitted Bugs point on LS claim was good. In a balance between boxerfred and LS, I'm sure there is no world where Breshke would vote LS now. Regarding 2 and 4, maybe bad wording, but he has no real reason to call us both town. Especially me. Remember: he called me basically confirmed town in our last game. Point 6 isn't collaboration, is him being "omg they are all afk lol" and instead of having a conclusion out of this, he shifts this responsibility to me "HEY GB ISN'T IT BAD LOL". | ||
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On June 19 2015 03:25 KelsierSC wrote: GB look at the bottom of the second post in the first spoiler Yes. In a sense, if he didn't have 2 better lynches, he would go policy. He didn't have any strong scumreads in this game until now. Therefore... Do you get what I'm trying to say here? He prefers 2 players BUT he thought about plynching lurkers. | ||
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On June 19 2015 03:29 KelsierSC wrote: ...but he didn't he said he would rather lynch other people over lurkers...which isn't what you accused him of. Like I said it's a massive stretch to reach the conclusions you did from those posts... Dude my accusation is that he was worried about people lurking in the other game (asks people to keep contributing, reveals that he COULD plynch lurkers = he doesn't like inactivity) and that he isn't worried in this game. I'm done talking about bugs anyway because I'm not lynching him today and if you and my other townreads aren't going to lynch breshke, I'm keeping my vote on boxerfred and you do whatever the fuck you guys want | ||
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Like I don't do this as town? In game of thrones mafia I shitted the thread with caps lock, here I cooled down, to come back and see this shit. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier. GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry? kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't. I've made a case on Breshke that I truly believe. I was trying to talk to my townreads to narrow a lynch list If that's not trying, then I think I should just lurk next time. | ||
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I'm never taking my vote off of boxerfred now. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:17 wherebugsgo wrote: I guess GB is forced to make this kind of post, given that he calls everyone scum I am forced to see you calling me scum without actually trying to see me through other perspective. Your push on me is unnatural. If I die today people should really consider taking a second look at you. It is this simple: if town is willing to lynch high activity player day1, it is stupid town, so I won't waste breath with it. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:21 ritoky wrote: 1) you're spewing non-stop anti-town 2) people are already doing the "should we lynch LS this phase? naw reconsider next phase!" dance, which will go on many days and probably cost town the game 3) the other wagons aren't compelling enough to not vote on you 4) in some semblance i agree with onegu. i used to fake claim cop a bunch on these forums until some1 intentionally lost a game to teach me a lesson. you need to learn a lesson. I can also vote him after that stupid vote he just cast on me. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote: Look I liked Bugs case on you and I was already townreading him and based on how last game I putting all my eggs in that basket but if you are town make a legacy post before you get lynched. I'm not getting lynched because I won't let town derp this bad I won't make shitty legacy post, no one reads that shit And if you're town I'm fucking mad at you for bring this bad Bugs has NOTHING against me. Your reasons to sheep are the worst | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:30 wherebugsgo wrote: ah yes, the empty attempt to discredit. You should learn to fake a meta read next time Ah! The easy unnatural tunnel. Commenting every single post of his target to show "HEY GUYS I AM CATCHING SCUM LOLOLOLOLOL" | ||
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KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare: Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:35 LightningStrike wrote: Do I really to explain more? I like Bugs case on you and you do have some similar stuff from your past games as scum simple as that. Yes, I want you to explain more Go deeper than that. What do you like on bugs case? What similar stuff from past scum games? It's easy to base your vote by saying what you're saying. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote: I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf. He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards. Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps Reading someone as town doesn't make his reads correct What about my play looks like scum? I totally believe in that case and I stand to those points. I've bounced your counter-arguments with counter-counter-arguments. It stopped there. I didn't attempt to discredit and I still believe in what I wrote. He didn't try to lynch lurkers, but that wasn't the point I raised. The point I raised was that he was WORRIED about people who never dropped information in thread, and he isn't now. The posts VA and Shockey linked are from a single game where I caps locked almost a whole page of thread. This isn't happening here. Also, you can't base that with only a scum game. If it also happens in my town games, then these points are NAI. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:40 LightningStrike wrote: Your all cap stuff is very similar to the all cap stuff you had when I was scum with you when you tried to divert the lynch away from me and away from you in GoT too plus some of your stuff and your reaction test seemed weird too. Not enough. This is too superficial. It's completely different from the all caps from GoT. I was a little lady. I'm not a little lady here. I've got all caps in all my town games, it's NAI. What stuff especifically is weird and why weird=mafia? | ||
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You're voting me out of nothing. | ||
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Please consider me coming from town perspective and see if it couldn't happen. | ||
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1) Why would I bother building a case on Breshke if boxerfred is town? I could simply just agree with Holyflare and lynch him and fuck off. 2) Why would I call out tunnelus maximus bugs as mafia, knowing he would go against me? Why drawing so much attention? 3) Why would I, as mafia, intentionally flip my reads and call people mafia instead of keeping cool blending in with possible town? 4) Why would I bother creating a lynch list and try to organise town? 5) Why would, as mafia, call LS out but NOT voting him, unless we are mafia together? But as you can see, we can't be mafia together because he is willing to lynch me out of nothing. I want you all to answer these. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:49 Holyflare wrote: are you fucking mad i've outlined it like 4 times now Outline a 5th. Your reasons before sounded like shit. You are very well aware of my scum play right now and I'm DEFINETLY not playing like my scum game. It impresses me that you are thinking that I could be mafia. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:50 ritoky wrote: That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately? GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that. No I'm not incredibly sold. I have my doubts. But out of the lynch list and out of my townreads choices, he is my best bet. That's why I'm voting him. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote: I want you guys calling me scum to explain this: 1) Why would I bother building a case on Breshke if boxerfred is town? I could simply just agree with Holyflare and lynch him and fuck off. 2) Why would I call out tunnelus maximus bugs as mafia, knowing he would go against me? Why drawing so much attention? 3) Why would I, as mafia, intentionally flip my reads and call people mafia instead of keeping cool blending in with possible town? 4) Why would I bother creating a lynch list and try to organise town? 5) Why would, as mafia, call LS out but NOT voting him, unless we are mafia together? But as you can see, we can't be mafia together because he is willing to lynch me out of nothing. I want you all to answer these. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote: yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then... I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit. LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town I'm fighting this temptation of lynching LS since he has a big filter, but oh boy, that vote on me was bad. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:56 Holyflare wrote: 1) You have done absolutely no cases the entire thread and it's been 48 hours and you basically had no scum reads, I and several others had called you out for this. You were forced to make a case and it was bad as a result. 2) You have a MAJOR HABIT OF DOING THIS. Do not sit there and ask me why when in Game of Thrones YOU DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO ME WHEN YOU WERE MAFIA ROFL. 3) to appear "carefree" since someone has mentioned multiple times that you don't stick to people as mafia or whatever, the flaw is that you had little reasoning and absolutely no follow up and little care about what happened 4) lynching lurkers is the easiest cop out and YOU DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANY OF THE CASES TO LYNCH MAFIA..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5) because you suck and know he does it as town all the fucking time and you'd look terrible if he flipped named vt 1) I wasn't FORCED, I did becauase I wanted to. He looks mafia to me. I could simply NOT make a case and survive if I was mafia. 2) I don't usually go after the big names when I'm mafia, this is not true. 3) So you think I would be THIS careless as scum? I've posted a full thought process in my reads in Game of Thrones Mafia. You know I'm capable of doing it, and incredibly, I do it better as scum. 4) You know I always advocate that as town. As mafia, of course I could use the plynch as a cop out, but I would NOT open the possibilities to town to CHOOSE who not to lynch. I would take the other way: influence their reads instead letting them influence mine. UNLESS you think ALL mafia are active, letting town choose who to lynch is almost suicidal. 5) This is a lazy answer and you're lazy to think this through. Read my question again and think again. | ||
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1st point: hypocritical is an arbitrary interpretation. 2nd point: just because I did that as scum doesn't mean I wouldn't do it as town. 3rd point: reads and questions that didn't follow up were part of reaction testing and information gathering, which I think is the best thing to do day1 4th point: I don't think they were useless - again, arbitrary interpretation 5th point: Never said your read was shit, I said I could see him coming from a town perspective from the things you wrote and that I scumread him for another interpretation that considered MORE than his first post. 6th point: got tunneled because he said some stupid shit and got outside the tunnel thanks to rsoultin. Again, why would I do this unless we are scum together? 7th point: I am giving reads on EVERYONE. If they aren't thourough, that's another matter. I refused to TALK about active people because we could deal with them on day2, but since EVERYONE completely IGNORED this plead, I started calling out things. I attempt to consolidate by building a lynch list. 8th point: Lurker policy lynch is something I always do day1 as town, stop being stupid 9th point: Fake rage was 1 post and I always do that as town, you can't compare ONE SINGLE CAPS LOCK to what happened in Game of Thrones. It is completely different. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:06 ritoky wrote: okay from HF's thing i remember the vanishing onegu read and the lack of follow-up on VA stuff which was kinda scummy. any1 gonna try to convince me on BF, or is that just a wagon full of AFKs? I've reasoned my flip on onegu. VA thing was a reaction testing. I did that on the beginning of the game when I asked breshke to vote Onegu. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:10 KelsierSC wrote: ##unvote ##vote Glowingbear Answer my points. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:10 KelsierSC wrote: I think hf and wbg did a good job of that already I'm not reading WBG because I think he is mafia or stupid I've answered those shitty answers from Holyflare | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote: no you didn't, you asked me specific questions which i definitely gave great answers to and you retorted with them with things completely irrelevant to the original question it's also fucking easy to just ask loaded questions like you're trying to do i've summarised your whole play this game and i don't think a town gb would be so mediocre the entire game, you had absolutely no passion about anything at all other than consolidating on lurkers, your only push was on breshke 40 hours into the day and it was so mediocre and kelsier quashed that very very easily so now there are 0 things that you say that have any relevance in this game Alright. I've already defended myself. Think twice. Rethink what I've wrote. I can't do more than I'm doing this time. You know that when I'm mafia I can't keep long hours of activity like I'm keeping it here. Yes, I've played badly. I admit it. I preferred to talk a lot and have fun instead of actually doing work. Yes, I admit it. But I'm not mafia for it. I'm glad you had higher expectations, tho. | ||
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I think he is mafia for the things I've already said + his tunnel on me seems unnatural. Instead of trying to rethink me, to see me from all perspectives, he limits himself to call me mafia, to joke and discredit every single post I write. He is not trying to further inspect my alignment, he is content with just looking at me through only one perspective. In the other hand, he is okay with boxerfred, evaluating his filter from both perspectives. I think he is scum. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:20 Holyflare wrote: like in no sane world can i wrap my head around someone scum reading someone and then getting proven wrong by like 5 different people and still keeping the same read What are you talking about? | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:23 Holyflare wrote: you threw all this meta about bugs and it got proven that you misrepresented it and you still stick to the same read of bugs being mafia because of the meta and his "unnatural push" which doesn't really feel unnatural at all same with breshke case I think it feels unnatural. If you don't, alright. I'm standing to my point because people are thinking that I said "HE WOULD LYNCH LURKERS LOLOLOL" when what I was trying to say is that "he was worried with lurkers there, he isn't here, and it's weird that he scumreads me for wanting to lynch lurkers" And nobody responded to this. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:25 KelsierSC wrote: quickly before I go GB if you can link to a game of you putting all caps as town in this sort of situation it would be interesting Hmm I can't remember like in this exact situation Christma's Carol and the game I scumread Shockey for its entirety. I think there was a newbie. I do this all the time, man... | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:27 Holyflare wrote: always lynch scummy people not lurkers unless the lurker is scummy in which case you're still lynching the scummy person lynching active people also gives you incredible information post flip for people's reactions and stances to the wagon whereas a lurker lynch is a massive cop out and people can just free ride it to a mislynch if they are mafia you say day 1 is the hardest day to succeed and that's because there is no flip information, day 2 would be the same with a lurker lynch You think there are no scummy lurkers in the game? What happened to the boxer read? | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:30 rsoultin wrote: definitely carol -_- it irritated me no end that all he did was spam LYNCH HOLYFLARE off a terrible case xP as town lol >< And I was right. As right as I am right now. | ||
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She is talking about the caps lock thing STOP PLAYING STUPID WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU | ||
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I've defended myself as I could. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and I'll answer them as much as I can. If you're open to see me from a town persperctive, take a look at the 5 questions I've brought on my filter. You will definetly realise it makes more sense of a play coming from town than from a mafia. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:33 Holyflare wrote: No but your defence THIS game was that you ALWAYS want to vote on lurker lynches as town whereas that's not particularly the case. If you get intrigued about something you always push them with hell bent vigour. You have not done that in the slightest this game and instead just went for the lurkers until you were forced into a corner and have scum read 2 people that you don't even really care about lynching based on pretty weak reasons. I didn't feel intrigued in this game BUMMER I've even stated that. I've explained that I didn't feel forced and I could easily NOT bring the case to the thread and survive. I would never put this much effort against my lynch as scum, either. I've answered you all I could, HF. Rethink your read on me or lynch a townie. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:39 ritoky wrote: Are all the mafia on your wagon? If you had to pick 1 person as mafia who is not on your wagon right now, who would it be? Breshke | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:54 Mig wrote: I am on my phone, but got caught up Ritoky - Guess what I dont know everyones alignment, if someone says something that looks townie to me I will say it. I didnt say that post made LS town but it made me reconsider the possibility of it. Explain to me how exactly this makes me mafia. GB- are you voting BF because you think there is a good chance he flips scum or just to save yourself? If the caps lock stuck isnt AI can you post an example of you doing it as town? I cant look through past games atm. Both. I'm trying to save myself and I think boxerfred is scummy, but not as much as bugs or Breshke I can't right now, but I've already said Christmas carol. It's the first that comes to my mind. I actually do that in all games, mostly, and I don't get why such minor fact can alter anyone's read on me. | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote: everyone is voting with this guy who has these reasons for voting bf literally ignores everything and says it's because of his first post (the first point is something i already brought up and he said was shit and used it again anyway LOL) this guy thinks bf is mafia because of one post bf made 48 hours ago plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.thebostoncalendar.com/system/events/photos/000/019/660/original/hipsters_testicules_394.png?1413468018) HF you know I'm voting boxerfred because going against scummy lurkers and that my townreads doesn't want to vote Breshke Stop being stupid | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote: I want you guys calling me scum to explain this: 1) Why would I bother building a case on Breshke if boxerfred is town? I could simply just agree with Holyflare and lynch him and fuck off. 2) Why would I call out tunnelus maximus bugs as mafia, knowing he would go against me? Why drawing so much attention? 3) Why would I, as mafia, intentionally flip my reads and call people mafia instead of keeping cool blending in with possible town? 4) Why would I bother creating a lynch list and try to organise town? 5) Why would, as mafia, call LS out but NOT voting him, unless we are mafia together? But as you can see, we can't be mafia together because he is willing to lynch me out of nothing. I want you all to answer these. On June 19 2015 05:01 GlowingBear wrote: 1) I wasn't FORCED, I did becauase I wanted to. He looks mafia to me. I could simply NOT make a case and survive if I was mafia. 2) I don't usually go after the big names when I'm mafia, this is not true. 3) So you think I would be THIS careless as scum? I've posted a full thought process in my reads in Game of Thrones Mafia. You know I'm capable of doing it, and incredibly, I do it better as scum. 4) You know I always advocate that as town. As mafia, of course I could use the plynch as a cop out, but I would NOT open the possibilities to town to CHOOSE who not to lynch. I would take the other way: influence their reads instead letting them influence mine. UNLESS you think ALL mafia are active, letting town choose who to lynch is almost suicidal. 5) This is a lazy answer and you're lazy to think this through. Read my question again and think again. On June 19 2015 05:08 GlowingBear wrote: 1st point: hypocritical is an arbitrary interpretation. 2nd point: just because I did that as scum doesn't mean I wouldn't do it as town. 3rd point: reads and questions that didn't follow up were part of reaction testing and information gathering, which I think is the best thing to do day1 4th point: I don't think they were useless - again, arbitrary interpretation 5th point: Never said your read was shit, I said I could see him coming from a town perspective from the things you wrote and that I scumread him for another interpretation that considered MORE than his first post. 6th point: got tunneled because he said some stupid shit and got outside the tunnel thanks to rsoultin. Again, why would I do this unless we are scum together? 7th point: I am giving reads on EVERYONE. If they aren't thourough, that's another matter. I refused to TALK about active people because we could deal with them on day2, but since EVERYONE completely IGNORED this plead, I started calling out things. I attempt to consolidate by building a lynch list. 8th point: Lurker policy lynch is something I always do day1 as town, stop being stupid 9th point: Fake rage was 1 post and I always do that as town, you can't compare ONE SINGLE CAPS LOCK to what happened in Game of Thrones. It is completely different. | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:18 Holyflare wrote: LOL NO THIS IS WHY YOU VOTED HIM TO BEGIN WITH DON'T PUSH THIS BULL SHIT NOW. HE'S STILL YOUR SCUM READ. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH HAH HAH HAH I KEEP my vote on him for those things. Not that I suddenly decided to vote him for those reads. I'd vote Breshke rather than him. But he is the only possible scummy lurker now | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens. ##unvote ##vote GlowingBear You know you've just put me in majority even if you Unvote. I'd also lynch you in a pinch. PLEASE, GLOWINGBEAR VOTERS, REPEAT WITH ME: "I WILL ALWAYS THINK TWICE BEFORE LYNCHING ONE OF THE BIGGEST FILTERS DAY1" | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:38 rsoultin wrote: this will probably be answered in his response as to what he was doing with ls if i'm reading his motivations correctly, so hopefully he answers that soon -_- though i remember him starting to get antsy about you much earlier so maybe i'm just wrong GB are you here? Yes I'm here | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:43 rsoultin wrote: the ls "reaction" thing you were doing...can you explain what the purpose was and what you got out of it please? I ask people to vote for other people so later in the game I can make associations better depending on their reaction. I haven't got much now because I have no flips | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:15 LightningStrike wrote: FML I tried to get others to switch GB because the case on GB was much more concrete than the case on Boxerfred.............................. It would've hit town too, so it doesn't matter Better this way. | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: eh gb prob town too though so...-shrugs- though if any blue wants to check that over a lurker i'm not gonna complain lol >< IF I TURN RED I'M MILLER KTHXBAI | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:19 LightningStrike wrote: Anyone that get's red checked can claim Miller. Orly? | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote: show me, and IF gb is scum i'll apologize ^^ but not before Rsoultin, you're a qtpie. A huge qtpie. | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:21 LightningStrike wrote: Ofc since they aren't self aware Miller claims will be taken with a train of salt from me. OOOOPSIEEEES | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:27 Holyflare wrote: holy fucking shit i know that and that is not a reason i scum read him at all?! i say gb's only reason to scum read boxerfred is his first post in the game rsoul says it's misrep and to look at his lynch list bf is in his lynch list?? she says it's misrep because he has other reasons HE HAD NO OTHER REASONS she says yeh whatever he's on shockey it's fucking obvious why he's on shockey because it's blatently to save himself HF please. You've quoted a post where I state two reasons I found boxerfred to be mafiaish. ONE is related to the opening and the other isn't. I also said I preferred another lynch but I was voting the only person I could vote at that time. Voting shockey would not save myself because it would take votes on boxerfred to Shockey and considering boxer's wagon wasn't all active, I would be leading majority. You really need to step back and think | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:25 Holyflare wrote: after contemplating what happened at deadline after i've given countless reasons for gb to be mafia and to hold off lynch bf i've come to the conclusion that this is the most accurate vote count analysis Oh, 8 Mafia! We've already lost | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote: no shit if this is actually your mentality as town no wonder you're so terrible just like oneguseless who, if town, wasted his vote for half the day on an alleged town read If you're town you're actually the worst here, since you only had one strong scumread and I am town. At least Rsoultin can have correct reads | ||
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Wrong. I've never said point 1 doesn't apply. My arguments were: the joke and he fact that the guy said he skinmed the thread but then focused only on HF and Kelsier, immediately calling HF scum. This is weird because if you skim the thread you will face Rsoultin and bugs discussion, and LS's claim with people getting on him. Locking arbitrarily on these two people felt off to me. The points HF brought, tho, completely NAI. | ||
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I want to make this clear. If there is any point you need me to clear myself, please tell me. I can't continue playing if you keep tunneling me without reconsidering things | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:51 Holyflare wrote: let's quote the whole post now let's quote the whole of the post you conveniently edited out of the first quote hey look there's that point of mine you stole while calling all of my points trash much convenient HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I swear I didn't read that part I've just read the letters HAHAHAHAHAHAHA | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:52 wherebugsgo wrote: yes, cause trusting your read on BF has really worked out well for you so far. That mentality again makes no sense if you are town because you've already been proven to be dead wrong Trusting your read would get a townie lynched too. At least she correctly read me as town and you didn't. Now, how about you stop throwing dirt on everyone and actually start thinking about the whole game? There are 4 madia and you are locked in only one | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:55 LightningStrike wrote: She nomally have bad opinions from time to time hence I kept on telling her to sheep me after we talked to each other in the Obs QT for Newbie LX. Lol you shouldn't be one to claim to have better reads than her. | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote: TIL that the op does not have the number of mafia in it gg glowingbear -.- 17 players. You can assume there will be four Mafia or 5 if we have a ton of blues. Please I'm really trying not to call you Mafia for saying these kind of stuff. Please help me. I don't want this to be another Christmas Carol | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote: you do realize if you're scum fooling me i will skiiiiiiiin you gb right >< just for making me look the fool and then writing posts like this lol no more advice on women problems for at least a week xP I would never play with your heart like this | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:02 Breshke wrote: HF i think him saying there is 4 mafia is a weak and doesn't really make him scum. GB who is your top scumread as of now? Has your read on me changed at all? Also not sidetrack anything but Why does one person pressuring you make you claim when you know that is a bad play? One person alone can not lynch you and many others were townreading you. Bugs, mig, Shockey Yes, not you | ||
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Nothing, actually. I just think that Shockey's wishy washy thing and his vote on me was weird Mig not voting me was weird Bugs not inquiring Mig for not voting me is weird. You see, bugs is too comfortably tunneled | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote: If GB flips scum will bow down to HF and Bugs? If I flip town will you understand how stupid you are for liking them both and downgrading Rsoultin's play when yours doesn't have half of the quality? | ||
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Am I tunneled? | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:15 LightningStrike wrote: I will bite my tongue if you flip town. Don't do it, you will bleed to death | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote: Didn't you scum read breshke for something very like this. When he said "is that bad" Content of the question is different. I will review my case on him later to see if it really holds water or if I was being bad again | ||
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I have this WIFOM feeling that scum kept me alive so they can mislynch me tomorrow, and you would be a nuisance regarding that | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:20 Breshke wrote: But why am I not mafia anymore. All the things you said still stand and you seemed to still scumread me even after people reacted to your case. I don't see what has changed now. I don't see how having 3 other scumreads makes you drop your read on me who was your biggest scumread. It's not that you aren't scun anymore, it's just that I have better targets now Although after the pressure of being lynched disappeared I suddenly could think about you and your posts more calmly and the idea that I have being very bad is striking my head | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:24 rsoultin wrote: (ftr bugs still think i'm right on gb despite that post he just posted that makes me twitch @.@, but yeah i'm not having much luck so far with the scumhunting this game i'll admit that readily...i feel like i'm having a better time with finding townreads and just hoping those are actually right) I promise you I would never play with your heart as scum | ||
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On June 19 2015 09:05 wherebugsgo wrote: no wonder he hates all of you At least he is good. He has that right. You, on the other hand... | ||
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Just got home. I'm catching up. Don't worry, though. I decided to not shit the thread with spammy stupid jumping reads and have a more solid play | ||
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On June 19 2015 09:22 Fidei86 wrote: People, I want to talk about VayneAuthority. That last post really felt off to me. I've been the first one to complain about the tone of the game, but when I did it I was trying to be constructive ("stop posting so much, please, give me a chance to catch up!"). But what VA is doing in that last post is trying to drain the will of the town to keep playing. Four or five people (including ritoky, who I'm going to keep town reading up until he inevitably flips mafia, knowing my luck) have already said they're burned. Why would anyone who was town pile on? So that took me on to the filter dive. I have nothing to report. There's two pages, and literally not a single substantive post or comment. Nothing, in an entire two full calendar days (and one mafia 'day'). It's all pictures, one-line questions and general filler. No apparent attempt to understand the game, even on a bitesize level. I'm reading VA hard scum for this. Fidei, that isn't alignment indicative. I've being calling bugs bad just for doing it and I'm still town. Try to see people's play from scum and town mindset. Scum wants to survive and town wants to lynch. Does that post you are hard scum reading VA indicates any of these mindsets? | ||
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On June 19 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote: WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB. THIS post was crap. Why are you second guessing your own posts and posting this to tell us you're going to keep filter diving? | ||
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On June 19 2015 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote: I already did that and the game actually doesn't make sense from that perspective why the fuck would multiple people hammer BF right at the end with no explanation whatsoever if there were two townies up for lynch? The case on GB was far stronger than the one on BF and pretty much the only person that disagreed with that was you. In fact, even some people who supposedly agreed with the GB case, e.g. Shockeyy and Mig voted BF instead of GB, while our troll friend ritoky over here ended up kindly wasting his vote completely. I want to give yamato the benefit of the doubt that he legitimately just forgot to vote or whatever but that lack of vote is also really damning for him given that he also found GB scummy prior to the lynch. Whatever though, I hate replacements and given his posting style and comments this game he's probably not scum anyway. You will ALWAYS be able to build bigger and more comprehensive cases on people that have 10x the pages of a second scum read. You're basically saying I'm Mafia with Shockey and Onegu out of bad unflipped association | ||
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I don't think scum LS, after risking fake claiming, would rescind at night and cause all that ruckus and draw so much attention to him. Pretty suicidal Mafia play. Unless he is GF/being framed and wants to draw a check/track in him? This is pretty wifom and I'll keep the Occam's razor. Rsoultin looks top townie to me for the way she is approaching the game. She has no reason to defend me as scum rsoultin. I've been liking Breshke's approach in this night phase. Sounds like someone who is genuinely trying to solve the game. I will review my case on him after I take a shower. Kelsier is town Onegu is town Ritoky still looks town Damdred dropped too much, should keep an eye on him. We need to revisit Nydus. I forgot everything from this guy. Shockey is probably Mafia. If Mig is Mafia, bugs is also. VA is a coinflip I need to read Fidei I don't know about Holyflare. Too tunneled on me and some misrepresentations are things that I don't expect on his usual superb town play. Am I forgetting someone? | ||
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On June 19 2015 14:13 rsoultin wrote: yama i'm working on a much more detailed version but so far our reads are lining up which...not really sure what to think about that lol >< Yama. His play is uninspiring but he is already a lazy player and this thread activity is insane, and he replaced in. Which means this kind of uselessness could be coming from town yamato. I think he needs more time to do shit. But he definetly needs to do shit. Also, I'm trying to evaluate if scum yamato would be so bold to intentionally not vote. I'm not sure what to make of this. But maybe this already wifom territory? | ||
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Yet I have two problems with you Breshke, that I would like to understand: 1) You called me town on a game I was scum. You called me town again here. What is different from that game that made you feel comfotable enough on early game? 2) You only started being aggressive when LS blue claimed. Yet, last game you've cast your vote on me very fast to apply pressure. Can you explain to me why your gameplay is differing from that game? Why you only started scum hunting after like the first 3 quarters of day1? | ||
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Let just me get this thought further a bit. I've seen scum yamato skipping a night kill because he simply was inactive enough to not send a night kill to the host. So the answer is yes, he would be this bold to intentionally not vote or simply would not care for voting because he is scum. In the other hand, would town yamato be this careless? Like, wouldn't he even give a quick skin on the main wagons to decide his vote and park there? What do you think? | ||
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Kelsier Ritoky Onegu Rsoultin LS Breshke Damdred Nydus Holyflare Fidei VA Yamato Bugs Mig Shockey This is basically where I'm at atm Bolded townreads are not in order. The rest is more or less in order from less scum to most scum. | ||
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On June 19 2015 15:24 Breshke wrote: I didn't consider your play last game when reading you this game. Was I applying that much pressure last game? I seem to remember I kind of just voted you and piggy backed off of WBG's push. But yeah I find it easier to be more forceful in threads where there isnt as many experienced players. If you look at like any of the newbie games ive played in I think I play more aggressive/involved there. You voted more easily last game and you clearly showed what you did dislike there. I've seen you defending or at least deflecting pressures much more in this game than in that one. About number (1), I didn't actually implied that you should be comparing those games. But if you called me town there and I was scum, shouldn't you be more paranoid/cautious before giving me a town read? | ||
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On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote: This might be my last post unfortunately Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads Not a single mention on Mig, who raised suspicions on me but did not vote me. But Shockey? Oh, he IS Mafia. LOLOLOLOL Bugs, pls | ||
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On June 20 2015 00:48 Onegu wrote: I dont want you to lunch him I want you to lynch him. Next game when LS rolls Cop an Important role and claims day one with town you for shit reasons. And is shot N1 and you lose because you lost your cop you will be all like DAMN ONEGU TOO SMART IF ONLY I PLYNCHED LS THAT GAME WE COULD HAVE WON. Or next game LS rolls scum and fake claims because it is his town meta to do so against town GB and you dont lynch him because that is his meta. You will be all like DAMN ONEGU TOO SMART IF ONLY I PLYNCHED LS THAT GAME WE COULD HAVE WON. Hahahaha I love you man | ||
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On June 20 2015 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate. But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't I will only associate after one of you flips But my problem here is your discourse in the beginning of the game "Mig is the only one I know and that I have a good grasp on his play" and completely forgetting him. He then comes to the game and you comment on him and give him a town read ONLY when inquired. Then you're in this HELLISH tunnel on me that everybody that defends me is almost instantly scum (you said to Rsoultin "lol you're probably Mafia with GB" and you are locking on lynching Shockey right after me), but Mig is out of that. As you know Mig's play I thought you could say "doing that, although wrong, is his town play", but you said you FORGOT about him and that he is PROBABLY MAFIA. lol Double standards much? You're not trying to solve the game at all, you're just pushing an agenda that feels good to you. | ||
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On June 20 2015 01:04 KelsierSC wrote: GB before bugs went against you who would you say the most likely lynch candidates were going to be? I can't answer this without wifoming. If you're okay with that: Boxerfred would always be a wagon. He got 7 votes. Then Mig brought suspicions on me, bugs started working with that, I derped hard and a second wagon was built on me. I think my wagon was scum driven. They secured a mislynch by having two townies as main wagons. The person who got a lot of flak was LS. Although a lot of people defended him, the push on LS was hard. I think he would be the second candidate. Which reinforces your idea of LS being scum (in other words, deflecting his wagon to create mine) | ||
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On June 20 2015 01:11 KelsierSC wrote: I'm more interested in what you think of Ls actually not me In torn apart, really. I have these town traits coming from him: activity, genuine emotions, fake claim Mafis traits: using bad arguments to survive, calling me town but locking a lynch on me based on a bugs case he couldn't rve get deeper on why it was good, unclaim I was townreading him for the unclaim because I couldn't see why Mafia would get out of the safe spot that saved him from being lynched just to say I ACTUALLY LIED LOLOLOLOL But then, thinking about it further, I realised that he could be afraid of investigative roles that may have in the game that could get a red check on him, so he unclaimed in a way he had an excuse to say "if I turn red, I could be Miller". And he did that EXACTLY after I joked about it, and he said "anyone can claim Miller, you know?" So it crossed his head after I said it and he may have thought that it would be safer to do that. But my problem is that I can see him doing it as VT afraid of a check. And it sucks My biggest concern is that his fake claim AND his unclaim were made out to survive. Which we all know is a scum trait. + Show Spoiler + And if he is Mafia they absolutely don't have a Miller | ||
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On June 20 2015 01:15 LightningStrike wrote: I found shockeyy's behavior very weird EoD I did reconsider my scumread on him around EoD then stuff happened with him switching to BF when GB was his scumread and his explanation seemed weak at best. VA is always a good policy lynch since he does very little as both alignments from what I remember of him. If I wrong on one of my town reads it could be Mig he haven't really posted much although I did like of content earlier and how he voted BF at the end end seemed weird esp given his reaction to shockeyy's switch. ????????????? Where do you town read mig? | ||
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On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?" Which you some what answered here, but I'm expecting something different out of you: I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off. Because you already have the biggest filter in the game. We lynched the smallest, now we should lynch the biggest if that's the logic you play by. Are you going to keep creating posts to build your filter to make it harder to scum read you? You can keep thinking i'm scum, but if you are really town, I need you to realize I lynched the one that really seemed scummier to me. Either we work together and really find scum or you keep on with your ignorance of me since the first game we played together. Now back to re-reading thread and follow up since I have the time to do so atm. Wow. This post is so townie it hurts. Alright, I've calling you scum out of tone and imperfect meta. I'll take a step back and assume you can be town, since now I am very inclined to lynch other people I don't really want to fully disclose now. | ||
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On June 20 2015 01:26 LightningStrike wrote: You know I actually had a dream that I was the Miller and they happen to investigated me as a Cop and the Cop outed out I got lynched and Cop gets night killed lol. I bet you had I had a nightmare. I dreamed that I was eating fish but it had huge hidden "needles(?)" that pierced my mouth all over from the inside. Scary shit | ||
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On June 20 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote: Pretty much his stuff I liked when I saw them at first sight. Ok | ||
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He is appealing to me and asking me to reevaluate, which is per se, townie. But you see, he appealed to ME, which indicates he town reads me, consistent to his change of votes. In the other way, he isn't appealing to bugs who has been calling him scum too. It follows a town perspective perfectly | ||
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I would expect a Mafia would align himself with bugs and go against me. Way easer than appealing to me. Do you get where I'm coming from? | ||
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On June 20 2015 01:47 KelsierSC wrote: meh either way I didn't get the "wow that guy is townie" feeling from his post and I am surprised you did. I admit I may be biased by bugs scum read on him I will reevaluate later. But it feels townie to me | ||
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On June 20 2015 01:51 KelsierSC wrote: It depends on your alignment, like most of my thoughts at this point. Assume I'm town. I certainly am. | ||
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Mafia isn't killing me today because I've been scumread by townies + townies think that I'm the key to solve the game So, I invite any investigative role to perform night action on me, if you have any doubts I'm town. I will be too unlucky to be Miller since I have about just 10% of chance of rolling Miller IF there is actually a Miller in this setup | ||
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Come on. Easiest interpretation was that he thought he was going to die this night. | ||
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On June 20 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote: im not gonna lie watching bugs and gb talk about each other and the associations have given me the double bus feelings many times I'm amazed on how you can be this wrong in a game. Let's try it in another way. Consider I'm town. What are the consequences? | ||
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On June 20 2015 03:15 Holyflare wrote: like gb why on earth are you standing in this vast expanse of privileged information about the lynch and how shit went down and the only thing you've done in regard to things that happened is "this player is weird", "that's weird" +rehashed everything about ls and things that people already said tell me man You think I should be doing vote count analysis? One vote count is impossible to be analysed even when I know I'm town. Could LS be Mafia and his wagon being deflected to create mine? Yes. Could bugs me mafia trying to create a wagon on me to deflect a wagon on LS? Yes. Could bugs be town and strong pushing me because he really believes in Mafia? Yes. Could people fake their certainty of me being scum because they didn't care who was going to lynch? Yes. Could town be passive because they had two scumreads up to the lynch? Yes So no, I'm not doing a vote count analysis. I will analyse people's gameplay. You're putting too much expectations on me. You think I am always effortful when I'm town. I'm not. Regardless, here I am giving reads and I just told you why bugs could be Mafia because of his reaction to Mig's ganeplay. I also reevaluated my read on Breshke, although I'm still concerned about his calm on reading me regardind the things that happen on the last game + why does he makes a meta on bugs based on last game but not on me? It doesn't make sense to me. Mig voting pattern makes no sense either since he raised suspicions on me but never followed up, sees Rsoultin hard defending me (who is someone he threw suspicions at too), but refuses to vote me. I really don't get what is you problem with meo | ||
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On bugs On Breshke And you're saying I'm rehashing opinions? Please. Nobody gave a word about the fact of LS being afraid of suffering night actions + that if he is Mafia he is never godfather and there never is a framer on the Mafia team. Please. | ||
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On June 20 2015 03:31 Holyflare wrote: bugs reaction to mig is also congruent with his attitude that has been explained multiple times this game of "not needing to talk about his town reads" or whatever it is he keeps saying Come on HF This is purely confirmation bias Consider yourself Mig's play. Consider bugs discourse "I can read him better", never tries to work with his town read and only gives an opinion when inquired, then his townread does the most nonsensical vote yesterday, and he doesn't inquire him BUT SCUMREADS SOMEONE THAT DID THE SAME SHIT? | ||
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On June 20 2015 04:33 Damdred wrote: GB with an interesting point. GB do you think the amount of effort bugs has given is congruent with his normal town game? I've only glanced at his scum games but this does seem a bit extreme from what I read so far level of effort etc. If he's scim You meant he isn't effortful in his scum games? I've played only one game with him and I never searched for his previous games | ||
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On June 20 2015 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate. But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't You can never give this opinion: On June 20 2015 03:31 Holyflare wrote: bugs reaction to mig is also congruent with his attitude that has been explained multiple times this game of "not needing to talk about his town reads" or whatever it is he keeps saying | ||
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On June 20 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote: Yes it's odd THIS night but you have been saying that it's weird ALL GAME. He town read mig all game and has been saying all game that he doesn't want to talk about town reads. There is 0 confirmation bias in this statement. He's been towny all game and i don't think that one point you bring up changes that. Also no idea why he replaced out so that could equally explain it, especially when his one leaving post was so shit. This is exactly what confirmation bias is. I bring evidence and you say it doesn't matter because he was townie throughout all game, disregarding the evidence. Anyway, we can deal with bugs slot later because I have a stronger read on mig. Would you lynch mig with me? | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: WTF? GB I want to know why you voting him? He claimed mason with ksc day one | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote: I had seen him fake claim Mason with people as town before (Guardians of the Galaxy). Where did he claim Mason? OMG it was actually Holyflare Hahahahahaha | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:15 rsoultin wrote: eh he's done it before as town and ksc already negated it? plus he said he wasn't and he was in the same post so kinda...late to the ballgame there gb xP Why would he hidden it? I didn't bring it to surface to avoid them getting shot. But I thought that it was Onegu that claimed. That's why I flipped my read on him. | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: plus explain to me this thought process i am the awesomest scum hf in existence i am going to claim (kinda) mason with ksc! and now, for my ultimate act of brilliance...kill him so everyone sees my lie! xP I think this is the exact thing he wants you to think. | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:19 rsoultin wrote: lol >< if this is the only reason to scumread him, wifom off a play he's already done as town, i'll pass Ok I prefer Mig anyway | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:43 Onegu wrote: ##Vote LS I'd rather lynch you over him. So shape up and play the game | ||
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On June 18 2015 09:28 Fidei86 wrote: @Mig - I have looked over the filters of the two most likely lynch candidates, since that seemed as good a place as any to start trying to break things down. BF - He has been totally lost in a discussion about meta, whether people can change their meta and whether people have changed their meta. He's had some odd use of language (saying "musclin'", for example) which shows a level of attention to how something sounds that is scummy to me. His vote on HF was based on a single post from rsoult, and was justified by "I don't like that". He has also checked into the thread a couple of times to say he would be on later, but then hasn't delivered. His writing is quite dense and WOTy, even when he writes short things. Slight scum read - I would be okay with lynching him D1. ShoCkeyy - His intial read on Onegu is just weird. Claiming VT early says very little about your alignment. If asked, everyone would claim it. It's also the easiest thing in the world to change up. His list post was just odd - it contained no reasoning whatsoever, and was mostly just full of jokes. He also had RL excuses for why he couldn't be around, but then continued to post anyway. He then later says that he's not making up reads, even though he hasn't really given any yet. His reasoning about his activity resonates with me though - he essentially says that you can't measure alignment based upon activity alone. I'm getting a town-y vibe from the way he has responded to criticism. Slight town read. I am diving Fidei and I've found this awful awful awful scum read on boxer | ||
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I don't see someone trying to catch scum, I see a guy faking contribution. His strongest scumread was on VA, but he never actually tried to get VA lynched. He scumread boxer for a very bad reason and kept his vote on him instead of voting VA? It is not making sense to me. His constant need to tell thread should brake the post frenesi and agreeing with a lynch all lurkers policy (which isn't exactly what I was saying, but whatever) gives me the same "I am contributing, guys!" impression. | ||
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His vote on boxer makes sense to me now. I'm also admitting I was OMGUSing bugs. As I said, you will find odd things in every player with a huge filter. I think I could be biased because I overestimated bugs play as both scum and town. | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:59 VayneAuthority wrote: kinda reinforces the fact that GB is probably scum, he talks a lot in QT and has weird commitment issues on nightkills and actions. likes to second guess. A clear protection dodge on the nightkill. Sorry, KSC was the best player phase 1. He clearly wasn't a dodge. Cool WIFOM, tho. Very scum like | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:08 Damdred wrote: Here's the deal I won't ever lynch fid or rs. I really don't want to say why necessarily but it's there. And Ritoky I have had no internet and behind like 60 pages I'll do stuff but I'd rather interact while I can as well Why, exactly? | ||
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On June 20 2015 11:48 rsoultin wrote: <3 GB How does it make sense specifically cause hf and I both read mig's filter and didn't come to that conclusion at all I said what I found townie in his filter I can't evaluate from your point of view without you saying what you don't like in there | ||
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On June 20 2015 13:47 rsoultin wrote: No..you said the vote made sense. HF and I say it doesn't. Explain why you think it makes sense I just said he was suspicious of boxer in his filter? If he has suspicions on both me and boxer, and see both of us as wagons, it makes sense to go after the one who isn't fighting his lynch with everything he can. | ||
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Especially the Caps Lock shit I would expect scum to let me live and waste a day2 over a mislynch. You're just trying to call me scum over nothing, VA. You're probably mafia. | ||
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On June 20 2015 14:04 VayneAuthority wrote: i could see shockeyy being part of the scumteam. I mean it has to be a group of sorta idiots to NK kelsier who would have modkilled himself at some point. Im pretty much confirmed town because that night kill would NEVER get through on my team VA pls. Do you have any read that doesn't relies on WIFOM? | ||
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On June 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote: honestly i remember gb doing some townie shit and some scummy shit so his alignment is inconclusive to me. maybe he is scum cuz he keeps getting bogged down in stupid shit. i don't really give a damn. i see shockeyy and bugs' slot (now ruxxar) as scum. with the outside shot of LS. that's who i want to lynch and i want people to get on board. for bugs/ruxxar -> endless shit fighting into little production -> prompting shockeyy after afk implies QT -> ruxxar posts manufactured reads...didn't even know LS claimed a role even though it dominated 70 pages of the game. called LS calm and collected...just no..just no. if GB is still whiny after i get through those 2 and if damdred still hasn't posted more then i will go deal with those two. I'm not being whiny? I'm being reasonable regarding VA. ALl his reads were like "Glowingbear is using caps lock, scum. KSC is dead, glowingbear scum". VA is experienced in mafia. Do you think he would rely on these things to call me so? Let me ask you something: why would Mig, as mafia, hammer boxerfred instead of me? I have an idea but I want to hear from you first. | ||
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His filter on EoD is okay if you consier his filter earlier. He actually REACTED to thread when he was online, something I fail to see on Fidei. You might tell me why Fidei is town instead of doing this "I shouldn't be telling why he is town" with Damdred, or I'll push him with all my might. | ||
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On June 20 2015 15:09 ritoky wrote: is the mig thing directed at me? he would hammer town over you cuz you could be mafia? or cuz it was two town wagons and he wanted a wifom argument of "mafia would never hammer a town". fuck do i care about wifoming his motives? are VA's reads substantive? no. are they good? i don't know. is he okay with lynching shockeyy? yes. cool beans; let's lynch shockeyy. and yes you're being a bit whiny because every time someone calls you mafia you make a giant show of it. pretty sure nydus called me mafia, i told him i didn't give 2 shits about his read. pretty sure some1 else called me mafia and i ignored him. find scum and people will stop calling you mafia. start with shockeyy. you thought he was highly likely mafia earlier, why or why not now? if not who should i lynch over him and why? For now I think you should lynch Fidei over him. I'm not being whiny because people are calling me mafia, I'm being suspicious about the reasons people are calling me mafia for. I was suspicious of bugs, mainly. And I am suspicious of VA. And I would also lynch VA over Shockey. Basically, the way Shockey approached me at night felt really townie. Plus, his mafia play when we were together, he was completely different. Of course he could be self aware now but him coming to me and saying "hey, I think you might be town, let's try to work together. I am not mafia, please reconsider" sounded townie to me, and he did the same in witchcraft when I was mafia. regarding this: he would hammer town over you cuz you could be mafia? or cuz it was two town wagons and he wanted a wifom argument of "mafia would never hammer a town". fuck do i care about wifoming his motives? Well, I'm town. He sees two town wagons. He decides to lynch boxer. Why not taking the easier path and lynching me, who he brought more suspicions before? I think it would fit better a mafia mindset of survivability if he just lynched me. Nobody would be questioning him today. Why drawing so much attention as mafia? | ||
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On June 20 2015 15:10 rsoultin wrote: I don't respond to threats. You'd just annoy me doing this and he wouldn't be lynched anyway so let it go. I think you just like that he didn't lynch you. What I don't like is how big a screws he appeared to have.on you while so little got him to switch to bf. It's incongruous. That's what i'm talking about rit. I can quote but it'sore of an overall thing? Mig came into the thread pushing gb and said he was scummy throughout. So the sudden switch makes little sense to me, not for so weak a reason You see, I just saw a scummy filter, and you and Damdred say that you don't want to lynch fidei ever without giving any reasoning. I could only presume you guys are masoned together. But if you guys are masoned together I would find the lack of push on HF (who you already knew he claimed) bizarre. So I can't understand why would you guys keep it a secret. | ||
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On June 20 2015 15:21 ritoky wrote: GB why does shockeyy think ur town? I think this is something you should ask him? Well, he scumread bugs, maybe it's associative? | ||
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Yeah, I saw this after I posted. That's why I'm townreading him now To be fair, I think mafia could've let me alive so they could mislynch me today, and that is what I thought Mig did when he voted boxerfred. But seeing that he ACTUALLY had suspicions on boxerfred, his vote made sense to me and this came clear to my mind. About Shockey. Yeah, he talked to me like I was town. But he did vote someone else right? Maybe he had a townread on me? Although he did vote me, putting me in majority... Maybe I'm flattered . I promise to filter dive him tomorrow as soon as I wake up to get a better read. | ||
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Shockey, answer me before I go diving: when did the big filter thing crossed your mind? | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:59 Holyflare wrote: i'm not masons with ksc You did. | ||
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On June 21 2015 03:29 Holyflare wrote: you also made this list of posts after the claim had already occurred which seperates both Onegu AND Kelsier which means you don't even believe it to begin with checkmate mafiabear now plz just roll over You're obviously not reading the thread because I have explained all of this right at the start of day3. I'm voting you and noone else. You can't be this bad as town. Never. | ||
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On June 21 2015 04:11 Holyflare wrote: There is also a roughly 0% and i DO mean 0% chance that you got me and onegu confused you wanna know why? because it was so fucking apparent that I hid that in the url when I posted it because me and rsoul had an entire conversation about it if you wanna claim you thought it was onegu (how on earth would you ever think that to begin with) there's no way you missed that convo because kelsier, me, rsoul, onegu and someone else ALL talked about it I scumread onegu, decided to filter dive him, saw a post where he wrote URL, quoted it, saw it fast in that quotation the mason claim, thought it was him, gave a reason to townread him without revealing he was mason. I even started voting onegu today because I saw KSC isn't a mason. And you still have to explain yourself about this. Yet you try to find ANY reason to vote me today, without taking a second thought. You're clearly pushing scum agenda here. And townies, if you stupidly mislynch me, at least see my flip and go against Holyflare. Then think about Breshke because, really, I can't understand how he could call me town comfortably in nearly day1 (said he didn't consider the last game he called me town when I was scum, but based his read on bugs all based on the last game, which makes no sense). Then you go after Yamato who is simply not caring for the game. Then you kill VA Then you win the game. | ||
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On June 21 2015 03:27 Holyflare wrote: Well let's see why you even pushing this makes you definitely mafia: 1) You were calling me mafia day 1 and throwing it around all the entire day. You especially did this night 1 yet had no problems with Kelsier at all. This never factored into anything you ever wrote. 2) You are now using the assumption that I'm alive to paint me negatively but there was only 1 kp that went off on a 2kp night. I could have easily been the shot with Kelsier. This looks incredibly like TMI that I may have not actually been the shot. 3) useless nitpicking at points that clearly don't affect anyone's alignment If you answer to 1) is that you thought Onegu had claimed it with Kelsier then your original scum read on Onegu and your rescinding of that look incredibly like you were giving fake reasons to change your mind on him. 1) I called you town day1. Only started scumreading you at night when you didn't drop your shitty read on me 2) I've never said that. You're straight up lying and that TMI shit is one of the most horrible arguments you could use against any player. 3) Nitpicking is arbirtrary interpretation. I've assumed my points on Breshke were weak on that case, though. Also, if my reasons are weak, I am constantly reevaluating. So, no. | ||
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On June 21 2015 04:42 Onegu wrote: if you quoted the post where I said url. they you would know I am not a mason... The post I've quoted has HF's quotation. The thing is that I saw URL on your post and immediately went to search for it, in a very quick glance, and I thought you have claimed. Tell me why my reaction would be that one when day2 started. Tell me why I would risk myself having this conversation right now as mafia. | ||
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On June 21 2015 04:49 Holyflare wrote: This is precisely why everyone scum reads you. You argue argue argue about "oh woe is me how can you possibly think i'm scummy OMGUS you must be mafia" but really, 3/4 of the game are reading you as mafia. It's quite evident since you almost got lynched. Now there are multiple votes that are suspicious as fuck that make it very likely you are mafia, you have to die, no if's or buts or anything, the whole discussion is based around you. You aren't even thinking about that, you aren't thinking about anything from anyone's perspective. You push bull shit like "oh yeh totally reevaluated breshke" but that was after everyone in this entire game told you how shit that case was. Yet, here we are, and you're still pushing breshke lol. You voted for onegu today and I took that into account with my post. You even quoted that post that had the exact line "if you really did mistake it for onegu that's bull shit because he was in your poe list still and you scum read him for ages after that". He still remained in your poe list after you "reevaluated" him. It also further shows that you were not paying attention to the game but instead skimming it to make up reads on people. You can't possibly have missed that discussion in the thread and if you did you can't have missed the fact that onegu's reply was to me, why else would you see it in a quote unless you were trying to focus on it? You know your shot failed on me, you know you're fucked, stop posting this repeated scummy bull shit. You won't convince me I'm mafia, HF, and I'm done trying to explain myself because everything I say you take right against me anyway. It's a matter if you believe me your not. If you are not open to try to believe me, then just vote me and search for my partners. Make a case on me and convince others. But stop wasting my time with so many bullshit I can't bear to read. | ||
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My mafia partners did everything to save me night one. They all voted boxerfred. Shockey, Mig, and Yamato decided to NOT vote because we all mafia together and they did everything to save me. (Y) And YES I assume there are four mafia. | ||
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This is my guess for the mafia team. Not very sure on Yamato and Breshke, though. Could lynch Fidei and I have yet to read Shockey, but his play in this game fits his play last game and it's completely different when I've played against him as mafia. Holyflare is mafia for pushing me for all the wrong reasons, including lying. He is AT LEAST calling me mafia without even reading what I write, basing his reads on lies (in example, I've never WIFOMed nightkill as he claims I did) VA is mafia for pushing me for all the stupid reasons again. He is too comfortable with my lynch. He isn't even trying to solve the game. He just comes to the thread, sees flak on me, call me scum because I used CAPS LOCK LOLOLOL then fucks off. Still calls me mafia. Has no other read. Breshke could be mafia because I think his gameplay is too passive (sometimes he looks like he is trying to solve the game, sometimes he just looks like he is trying to survive. My main point here is that, as he played with me and I was scum, and he called basically confirmed town last game, he couldn't be so comfortable to call me town so early in this game. His excuse is that he is not considering my gameplay from the witchcraft mafia. If that's so, why is he comparing bugs gameplay here to witchcraft bugs but not mine? It doesn't makes sense to me. Yet, his filter DOES have some intentions to solve the game. This is a read I could be wrong on. If I am wrong, swap him with NydusHerMain, who really dropped his gameplay A LOT. Classical "I don't feel like doing nothing now that I am universally townread" Yamato is doing nothing since he came to the game. He even forgot to vote. Would scum yamato do this? Answer: yes. He forgot to send night kill in a game he was scum and next day there was no kill. Him not caring for the game is his scum meta. Outside this, rsoultin, Damdred, ritoky, mig and bugs slot are probably all town. There. I don't feel like filter diving Shockey, although I promised. I don't really care. | ||
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On June 21 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote: I don't believe you. At all. I want people to see this scummy bull shit for what it is because i'm sick of wasting my time pushing you when this should have been over yesterday. I've made multiple cases on you. Your partners are very likely Mig for doing his shitty switch. BF's post wasn't even bad and I'm pretty sure multiple people had the same reaction as me that it seemed pretty open and honest and Mig had a massive scum read on you (his second post was a case on you) but was very easily switched off of you onto BF. Yamato is probably also mafia since he voted for Boxerfred in the thread instead of the voting thread but his scum read on you happened not very long after his town read on you and it seemed super opportune to scum read you at that exact point, he kept his vote open very easily to a) look good if you flipped mafia for calling you scum and b) voting on the anti gb wagon + the whole bm replace theory that i devised The other one or 2 are probably in the list of: shockey although I'm pretty undecided about this one since i can't make heads nor tails of his responses to my questions but it looks like he believes what he's saying damdred since all i remember him doing is like defending rsoul and then afking the entire game even though he's had internet back for however long it is or onegu since he has a shadow and the only thing he has done this game is shit all and telling us to lynch ls repeatedly aka not doing his shadow any justice Your reads basically are 1) A scumread on me based on very poor/forced reasoning 2) Completely unflipped association (Shockey, Mig and Yamato) based on a weak scumread on me 3) Damdred not being active 4) Onegu because he has a shadow. If people can't see how fabricated your reasoning is, I rest my case. | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:10 Holyflare wrote: "hf didn't die and he claimed mason n1, i'll disregard the fact there was only 1 nk on a 2 nk night and that hf is always the best protection target but still say lynch hf anyway" wifomwifomwifomwifomwifommmmmmmm "i totally didn't wifom" Dude. I wanted to lynch you not because you didn't die, but because you claimed mason with KSC and he flipped green. Why the fuck did you claim anyway? | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:14 Holyflare wrote: No, it's actually nothing to do with association. If you are town then Mig switched his vote onto a boxerfred whom was not awful looking while having a massive scum read on you all of the game for a really tedious reason. If you flip town it's still scummy because it causes the great confusion we are in today. Yamato is a lot of association yes but I digress. Even then, his play is very much in line with his mafia play, he bypasses reasons that happen in the game, he says surface level shit, he points out crappy things "totally vayneauthority" All of his reads this game have been very weak and non-existent. Damdred is an absolutely weak read yeh. See, if you're town, you should be able to see Mig's town perspective. He raises suspicions on two guys (that were up for the lynch), with a stronger read on me, SUPPOSEDLY. THEN he comes back to the thread and sees two guys being up for the lynch. One is completely inactive and the other has 12 pages of filter and is fighting his lynch LIKE HELL. I can see him betting on boxerfred as town. You simply can't see this. You rather call him scummy. But you are okay to REEVALUATE YOUR READ ON SHOCKEY LOLOLOLOLOL, THAT VOTED BOXERFRED FOR BASICALLY THE SAME REASON, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT HE IS UP FOR THE LYNCH TODAY AND YOU WANT ME TO DIE HAHAHAHAHAHA WHY WOULD I AS YAMATO'S MAFIA PARTNER BRING HIM TO THE TABLE INSTEAD OF LETTING HIM SURVIVE WHILE LURKING? ARGH!!! | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote: Think to yourself good and hard. Think about the logic behind this statement. I know it's tough. Just try and think. Then type facepalm into google images and recreate that situation in real life. Here is the logic: HF is acting scummy. HF fake claimed mason for NO FUCKING REASON HF is mafia because I can't see town motivation for doing that. | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:20 Holyflare wrote: Then look at your reads list and how you completely criticised mine for being surface level (none of it is) and then look at your read list Breshke - no in game reasons other than meta from last game yamato - less reason than mine yet crticised my yamato read VA - playing like va ok gb ok My yamato reason is not based on unflipped association. Yours is. And Breshke's reasoning is off since the has double standards. You know double standards usually serves mafia agenda (in other hands: he fabricates reads to fits his agenda and the consequence of it is double standards) VA is playing like VA. So we keep him alive and never question his inconsistencies? | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:24 Holyflare wrote: Shockey has been posting his entire thought process. I've been quizzing him endlessly, I'm still not even sure on him. Mig is nowhere in site, he had no reason to switch at all. Absolutely nowhere did he site the reasons "gb is playing and bf isn't even though bf said he couldn't play" Like I said previously, he said everything that you were doing was mafia orientated. My point still stands. You are still intentionally prolonging this exchange because you know it's what you need to survive. I'm intetionally defending myself and giving reasons on why you're scum I'm flattered that you have high expectations on my scum play, though, if you're town | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:25 Holyflare wrote: To everyone else in this game. This should be proof enough that: A) Glowingbear has no idea what is happening in this game. B) Glowingbear is not reading the filters of people at all and has no idea about what they said at the lynch time nor their intentions about things that occurred. On June 18 2015 06:14 Mig wrote: Boxer is definitely shady so far, his time lines don't match up. Common for newer scum players to promise work at X time and then not know what to post so they dont deliver it. Boxer why did you pick holyflare and Kelsier as the only 2 filters you have read? Tell me again I'm not reading filters | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:28 Holyflare wrote: Just fuck off then. Make a case and get out of the thread. You are clearly shitting it up. You know multiple people have expressed disdain at how awful the thread is to read for it's length and you're intentionally posting nothing of substance and flinging shit in my direction to draw out the pages and make it unreadable. Make a case on me and get people to vote me or just go away. HF, I'm only reacting to every post of yours. If I am shitting the thread, you're doing it with me. Do you expect me to stay quiet when you straight up lie about me? I've posted my cases on people. I won't do legwork, I think the reasons I bring are enough. If you guys are willing to lynch the people I want to, very good! If you're willing to lynch my nulls, okay, I don't care. I won't let you lynch the guys I think are town, though. These are my scumreads atm. Feel free to ask me anything. I'll stop posting unless it's Holyflare saying bullshit. On June 21 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote: Holyflare, VA, Breshke, Yamato This is my guess for the mafia team. Not very sure on Yamato and Breshke, though. Could lynch Fidei and I have yet to read Shockey, but his play in this game fits his play last game and it's completely different when I've played against him as mafia. Holyflare is mafia for pushing me for all the wrong reasons, including lying. He is AT LEAST calling me mafia without even reading what I write, basing his reads on lies (in example, I've never WIFOMed nightkill as he claims I did) VA is mafia for pushing me for all the stupid reasons again. He is too comfortable with my lynch. He isn't even trying to solve the game. He just comes to the thread, sees flak on me, call me scum because I used CAPS LOCK LOLOLOL then fucks off. Still calls me mafia. Has no other read. Breshke could be mafia because I think his gameplay is too passive (sometimes he looks like he is trying to solve the game, sometimes he just looks like he is trying to survive. My main point here is that, as he played with me and I was scum, and he called basically confirmed town last game, he couldn't be so comfortable to call me town so early in this game. His excuse is that he is not considering my gameplay from the witchcraft mafia. If that's so, why is he comparing bugs gameplay here to witchcraft bugs but not mine? It doesn't makes sense to me. Yet, his filter DOES have some intentions to solve the game. This is a read I could be wrong on. If I am wrong, swap him with NydusHerMain, who really dropped his gameplay A LOT. Classical "I don't feel like doing nothing now that I am universally townread" Yamato is doing nothing since he came to the game. He even forgot to vote. Would scum yamato do this? Answer: yes. He forgot to send night kill in a game he was scum and next day there was no kill. Him not caring for the game is his scum meta. Outside this, rsoultin, Damdred, ritoky, mig and bugs slot are probably all town. There. I don't feel like filter diving Shockey, although I promised. I don't really care. On June 21 2015 05:10 GlowingBear wrote: Your reads basically are 1) A scumread on me based on very poor/forced reasoning 2) Completely unflipped association (Shockey, Mig and Yamato) based on a weak scumread on me 3) Damdred not being active 4) Onegu because he has a shadow. If people can't see how fabricated your reasoning is, I rest my case. On June 21 2015 04:48 GlowingBear wrote: http://captiongenerator.com/46674/HF-Reasoning Video means nothing, I just thing it's funny lol | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:30 Onegu wrote: TBH I have never seen scum fake claim mason I think that's exactly what HF wants you to think. Tell me why he would do that as town. His gameplay in the beginning of the game was "I won't be active to survive n1", yet he fake claims in a way that if mafia sees it, he dies night1? | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:44 Holyflare wrote: this is also super disingenuous to mig's filter the post before it is a giant wall of text calling you mafia, 5 more posts are pretty much after it saying you have 0 scum reads, you're pushing mafia agenda and flinging shit everywhere his ONLY reason for switching is that boxers return was shady and nothing more, 2 posts on boxerfred like 8 massive reasons to vote you, boxerfred's post wasn't even suspicious in the slightest since like i said multiple times, everyone else found it pretty genuine It's still a suspicion that was cast? Plus, it was in the first half of day1. After my filter exploded and I fought my lynch like I did at EoD, I find it completely reasonable that he voted boxerfred instead of me. | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:06 rsoultin wrote: actually someone else said this about him? probably ritoky lol hf never claimed that one way or the other blah what does it matter? claiming mason early and then shooting the person you claimed it with is not a very good scum play lol >< and hf fake-claims as town, including mason. he did it in guardians with onegu it's a pointless push besides which, gb, if you're town you really think every scum player wanted you dead so much they all voted for/pushed you? xP (with the exception of yama, i guess) i think you need to take a step back and really look at the game, you know? all the scum preferring one of two towns dead makes little sense The only people I am scumreading for calling me scum are HF and VA. I'm scumreading Breshke for reasons outside his vote on me And yamato for having his scum meta. You're free to show me where I'm wrong, if you think so. Why is HF town? Tell me | ||
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Why is Rsoultin voting me'? | ||
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SLAM I NEED GATORADE WWWIIIIIOOOOOW THE WORLD! A million dooooooooves! Orbit round the works with tears of blood | ||
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Time to use my drunk senses (TM) Nydus is Mafia VA is mafia Holyflare is Mafia Yemsti is madua | ||
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On June 21 2015 17:50 Mig wrote: What do you think about damdred? I don't know My 5th chakra is saying is town | ||
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On June 21 2015 17:59 Mig wrote: I saw you ask why Rsoul is voting you but that is it. You also yelled at HF for not being able to see my perspective for why I wouldn't vote you but didn't do the same for rsoul. Why? See, if I call someone town since day1, with a strong read, I won't lynch him day2. It seems too comfortable to simply downgrade her own gameplay to call me scum. Nonetheless, she is town. I bet she is only testing my reaction to her vote. In her mind, if I scum read her, I'm basing my votes all on OMGUS. And no, dear. I'm won't. | ||
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On June 21 2015 18:01 Mig wrote: Like what I am asking is, do you find it suspicious that rsoul is voting you now. You ask why but you don't say anything about what you think the motivation is behind it. Said it now Wow in drunk Any other wuestuins? | ||
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On June 21 2015 18:15 Breshke wrote: Why am I not mafia now GB? Because I'm drunk and I'm using my drunk senses | ||
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On June 22 2015 01:49 Holyflare wrote: I don't think any of the people that aren't me or rsoultin are actually reading this game anymore. GB called me definitely mafia for scum reading himself and lower activity people for afking and being scummy in general and everything being "surface level" while all his reasons are afk and inactivity. Hahaha. Lol woke up to see this. This is not what I'm doing in the slightest. Also, cool townread on the second wagon, bro. Convenient much. | ||
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On June 22 2015 01:17 ShoCkeyy wrote: Hey GB, can you just answer this? or quote where you talked about him being town to you? I tried to find it through out your filter and really couldn't. What? lol... Did you even read thread? Care to explain why I'm scummier? No one has really said why and how I can be scum other than "I think he's scummier" even LS's push against me was trash. He had no reason to think so. Mafia wouldn't do such risky thing IMO. I've put a lot of thought in it and I reached two possible perspectives: LS did claim because he was pressured and he is tired of it. Unclaimed at night because he was safe from the lynch The Mafia will only unclaim (after taking that big risk) if he is afraid of being checked, so he can claim he could be Miller. This is such a "SICK PLAYZ" and it is almost impossible to plan that it can only come from a townie. | ||
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On June 22 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote: apparently he's not terribly interested in why i'm scumreading him, either lol >< I've skimmed your big post. Your read is based on association. But you're assuming someone is Mafia and, therefore, I'm Mafia? Because if it's that, your vote doesn't make sense. If you're making association, you attack the root, not the consequence. In other words, you vote the voter. If the voter is town, your theory will be already wrong. But as I read shockey as probably town, I can't advise you against this. I've already said A LOT that considering your read only on EoD voting is wifom. Very weak. I don't think that reestating that incessantly will change your mindo | ||
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On June 22 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote: So you scum read onegu day 1 for his play and MADE UP reasons to town read him because of the mason claim. He was your main scum read and pretty much strongest one, at the time. Now he is no longer a mason you ignore that and say there are better people to scum read but you end up scum reading my town read nydus, town holyflare who was very likely shot and afkers over him? Precisely. It's day2. How can you wifom that you were shot? You were one to say that I shouldn't wifom the NK. | ||
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HF, do you have any questions to me you want me to clarify? I'd rather not go on and on and on with this. Also, considering that me and you pratically dominates day2, Mafia is very comfortable with the lynches, IMO | ||
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On June 22 2015 02:42 rsoultin wrote: lol no, my RECONSIDERATION of my read is based on association, which is why i'm irritated by the oversimplification y'all are using my ACTUAL read is based on the fact that game of thrones negates my tone read and you are acting like you have in your prior scumgames, up to and including how you defend yourself while being scumread A lot has happened since Game of Thrones and you know it. Your ability to read me got better. Anyway, I'm not acting anywhere close to my scum games. The biggest difference is in filter length and reads. Like, even I can see it. The only way to scum read with this information, is to believing I can fake it as scum. And if you think so, I'm flattered | ||
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On June 22 2015 02:53 Holyflare wrote: Yes. It's day 2. Your original scum read onegu has done absolutely nothing the entirety of the game. You just find out you were wrong about the mason claim so all your original points still stand + all extra shit all he did carries into today. Onegu features nowhere in any of your reads at any point in this day other than to say you thought he was mason. I'm shot every game n1 and every game I'm alive day 2 you question why I'm alive. Why are you acting as if that's not the case? You know it's extremely likely i got protected. I think it's extremely likely RSOULTIN was protected tbh. There is a possibility that the second kp deliverer was roleblocked. Sure about Onegu, but that's a read I had early day 1 and I didn't have better reads that I do now? -.- | ||
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On June 22 2015 04:02 Holyflare wrote: dis gb afk into shit fight into afk is getting tiresome I'm not shitfighting you What am I exactly supposed to do? I gave all my reasoning. You don't agree with them. I really can't do anything else. See how the thread is silent with those two wagons? If one was mafia, wouldn't you expect more resistance? | ||
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Like, you're either scum or very tunneled town. You gotta understand that I hold you as one of the best players in this forums, so being this tunneled makes me believe you're more likely to be mafia than town. You may not be realising it, but instead of reacting to thread and having them influence your reads, you're assuming I'm mafia and looking everything through that perspective. | ||
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You know that since the beginning of day2 a lot of people reconsidered their read on me, right? Then bussing me for free cred makes no sense. | ||
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On June 22 2015 04:17 Holyflare wrote: it's not silent at all, unless you think the silent ones are mafia it also makes 0 difference, you want the people i scum read to defend you but they are all quietish people that don't really have the power to defend so it makes absolutely no difference whether they are quiet or not resistance means nothing, stop using "what would mafia do in this situation" to get out of things, it's not going to work See HF You say: omg GB is just getting afk and shit, do something I say what I think You say: LOL of course not, that's not gonna work/you're mafia I ask you again: what am I supposed to do in this situation? | ||
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On June 22 2015 04:24 rsoultin wrote: why don't you respond to me, then? i'm not tunneled, obviously, given it took me this long to scumread you in the first place. but you're ignoring my questions instead there were several points where you just voted rather oddly, or kind of passively went along with things, but i saw enough random pushes on their own that i thought well maybe he's just lost? which i could understand...i was kinda lost d1, too but the way you're defending yourself is VERY similar to mafia mini mafia 2 and not at all to how i've seen you do it as town And that difference makes me mafia? Solely? Dear, this broken meta thing is as bad as WIFOM People are lazy to go against what actually makes people mafia, and I think double standards are a very good pattern. Also, thread sentiment too. I see how this lynch is going and it is boring. What do you want me to respond to? | ||
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If I defend myself saying why I'm town and not mafia, I am mafia for defending myself similarly to Mafia Mini Mafia If I talk about the people I want to lynch, my reads are odd and are most likely coming from mafia. I just voted VA. Could vote Yamato. | ||
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On June 22 2015 04:44 Holyflare wrote: I'm not mafia, I don't think Nydus is mafia. Your only other mafia reads are VA and Yamato. If myself and Nydus were not to feature in your list who would replace us? I would replace you with Fidei, I think his filter is very lackluster If not Nydus or Breshke, Onegu. | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:35 GlowingBear wrote: HF, I'm only reacting to every post of yours. If I am shitting the thread, you're doing it with me. Do you expect me to stay quiet when you straight up lie about me? I've posted my cases on people. I won't do legwork, I think the reasons I bring are enough. If you guys are willing to lynch the people I want to, very good! If you're willing to lynch my nulls, okay, I don't care. I won't let you lynch the guys I think are town, though. These are my scumreads atm. Feel free to ask me anything. I'll stop posting unless it's Holyflare saying bullshit. Video means nothing, I just thing it's funny lol | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:06 ritoky wrote: you have 20 minutes to convince me VA isn't a coin flip His posts are mostly trollish He isn't trying to solve the game when he is online His scumread on me is based on a broken meta (he uses caps lock when he is mafia) His townread on Kelsier was based on a broken meta (he gets aggressive when he is town). He based this read using Kelsier's first mafia game. He isn't caring for the lynch today. If he has a scum read on me, he should kept voting me, but he decided going after shockey for -reasons- | ||
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Rsoultin, please. You guys are taking a 21 pages of filter and finding scummy things, OF COURSE YOU'LL FIND Yet there are a lot of shady guys over there: VA, Yamato, Onegu... too many people. Are they afk? Yes! I am going against afks? Mostly! You know why? Because afkers can't give me enough information to get a town read on them, and active people CAN! But am I going SOLELY against ALL afkers? NO! There were enough reasons to call Damdred town. There were enough reasons to call ritoky town. I'm not going against them! I am going against the shady ones. I want my townies to lynch them with me! My preferred target was VA. Second preferred, yamato. Onegu is now worse than ever, I could also lynch him. | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:20 Holyflare wrote: areeeeeeeeeeeeee youuuuuuuuuuuuu fuckinggggggggg kidddingggg meeeeeeeeeee YOU KEEP SAYING YOU DON'T WANT TO PROLONG DISCUSSION BUT YOU KEEP DOING THIS STUFF JUST FUCKING SHUT UP ALREADY AND TELL ME WHO MY PARTNERS ARE, TELL ME WHY YOU FAKE CLAIMED, YOU DON'T DO SHIT, YOU JUST COME TO THE FUCKING THREAD TO DISCREDIT ME WHO ARE MY FUCKING PARTNERS? | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:22 ritoky wrote: why is damdred town? meta based I've played a lot with him and his playstyle is way more stiff when he is scum. | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote: i think i have the best meta read on him, and currently he hasn't done enough to be alignment indicative, but if i had to call it i would say he is mafia. so idk what you're exactly seeing. I've played a lot with him too and I think he fits town perspective way more than mafia THe only weird part is his read on rsoultin and fidei | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:30 VayneAuthority wrote: i mean GB your read on me in asinine at best, besides my scumread on you you basically agree with almost every scumread I have. so your play doesnt make sense logically. What am I supposed to say more with so little information? That's all you guys will have for later days: little information And then you'll have to decide who to coinflip first But you prefer to lynch obvious town with 21 pages of filter This is so stupid it makes me angry | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:35 ritoky wrote: w/e i have to go to my "surprise" father's day party thing that i already know is happening cuz some people are blabbermouths. i am just gonna sheep. if you're town here, sorry GB i made a bad call. Ok. What ruXXar tried to say is that why my partners voted boxer to save me yesterday and compromised themselves but fails to do so day2? | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:41 VayneAuthority wrote: so then vote yamato with me its the only person im voting over you but i feel it will be difficult to pull off. I'd vote yamato, he is one of my scumreads. | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:49 Damdred wrote: I honestly might vote Yamato to save you but look at migs replies to me and at least tell me if i'm reading to much into the defensiveness. No, you're not reading too much, but I think the way he is approaching the game when he is online is townish. I think he looks like he is actually trying to solve the game | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:52 Mig wrote: I am going to be defensive if I feel like someone is smearing me. Damdred why did your read on fidei flip? Not relevant now. | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:13 rsoultin wrote: and you didn't claim it yesterday when you were almost lynched because why, gb? If I claimed yesterday I would be dead at night without a check. I relied on fighting the lynch with all my might and gamble on being able to check someone at night. | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:16 Breshke wrote: Why did you check mig? Because if he was Mafia, bugs should be too | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:18 Breshke wrote: Why did you check mig someone who's votes basically saved you instead of someone who voted on you and who you scum read/kept flipping on. For example me Because although all these liars in this thread says the opposite, I don't OMGUS and I perform night actions optimally | ||
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If I were Mafia and I was really worried with survivability, I wotld claim day1 right away, and not gamble my way through day2 | ||
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It's simple: if I'm the cop, I'm dead tonight, if I'm not, you guys will lynch me day3 You can't be that bad. | ||
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The first paragraph The last one was directed to all townies, sorry | ||
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I'm getting ready to another party, maybe I skipped a post of yours, sry | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:36 Breshke wrote: I always hate when people say if the powerrole doesn't die we lynch them the next day. It never works like that Your resistance is amusing | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:39 rsoultin wrote: i removed my vote on you as soon when you explained and also told hf that i agreed with mig that lynching you over yama was retarded read before you whine por favor xP PERDÓN, CARIÑO | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:45 rsoultin wrote: which is why i laughed at you gb when you said WHY DIDN'T YOU GO AFTER HF?! it's like...you didn't read the first part of the game or something? Hahaha I don't remember it properly tbh | ||
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On June 22 2015 07:04 Onegu wrote: Im Just back dinner was good. Sigh, Why Yamato over LS or RuxXar? ^ lynch tomorrow | ||
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On June 22 2015 07:36 favmirage wrote: mmm no one else isso, really gb is the only reason for your townread on mig the green check? Not only, I meant it when I say I can see him trying to solve the game when online | ||
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On June 22 2015 07:46 rsoultin wrote: fair enough oneg Not fair enough, Rsoultin. Simple excuse to park his vote on LS and coming back 4 minutes after deadline to rant on the lynch | ||
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Stop parking your vote on a townie and finishing dinner few minutes after deadline | ||
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Well, I suppose you have to eat like every normal human being | ||
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On June 22 2015 10:54 yamato77 wrote: Expected/10 EZ mid GG go mafia Dat salt | ||
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On June 23 2015 02:16 ShoCkeyy wrote: Did you have any other reads other than GB who you tunneled? Have you looked into Onegu at all? GB what are your thoughts on Onegu as well? You seem to hate that he also tunnels only LS. He needs to be killed. Bad tunnel, the parking of the vote, the trollish "I just came from dinner" righ after deadline... | ||
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I'VE GOT TWO RED CHECKS!!!! http://captiongenerator.com/46881/About-a-fake-cop-check tried to post this near night deadline but my 3G screwed me. guess what happened | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:43 rsoultin wrote: o.0 how do you get two red checks out of that? Click on the link and read the video's description | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:51 rsoultin wrote: lol gb i didn't scroll down xP that's pretty smart >< so i'm assuming you're telling me you didn't get rb'd? YES! OH FUCK YES ASK ME WHO IS IT ASK ME ASK ME NOW! | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote: then there's a framer or you're scum ^^ why did you check me? Well, you see, you didn't push hard HF's mason claim, so I thought you could be faking yours with fidei And if you fake yours with him and he doesn't question, he is mafia with you. So, 2 checks + Mig GAMEBREAKING | ||
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I didn't! But as I fake claimed a green check on him, since mafia knows he is mafia, they thought I was fake claiming and they let me survive it means mig is 100% mafia. | ||
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My red check is on holyflare THANK GOD YOU PRICK YOU PLAYED TOO MUCH WITH MY HEART | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:08 rsoultin wrote: -facepalms- glowingbear you asshole, if you keep claiming different things how are we supposed to believe anything lol >< HAHAHAHAHAHAHA But you can believe in me now. Mig and Holyflare are both mafia. Holyflare because the check turned red and Mig because I didn't die nor did I get roleblocked | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:13 LightningStrike wrote: Also if I was scum I would of killed GB for his claim alone simple as that honestly lol. What are you talking about? | ||
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So great. I have all these butterflies inside me right now It's like they are free They are saying "thank you, now we can go to our planet" And I say "don't worry green butterflies, I will have Holyflare lynched, you have my word!" "Oh thank you, thank you Glowingbear, you're so cool and sexy and shit. We wish we were all these hot, hot girls that are now naked in your bed waiting for you" "LOL one day, darlings. One day." | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:29 LightningStrike wrote: If you look it from my perspective rsoultin been softing Mason for the majroity of the game and even admited so when GB claimed red check on her I assumed there was a Framer due to the fact that why would scum soft Mason with someone for the entire game? Why did you assume there was a framer that decided to frame A TOWNIE that wasn't probably never going to be copchecked (as she wasn't)? Why didn't you simply assume she was fake claiming? | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:32 rsoultin wrote: so i'm kinda at, assuming that hf is scum and mig is scum which...it's a decent conclusion, gb, but not quite 100% i still think shockey is a really good shot for scum ruxxar probably too though i need to look through his filter closer just to make sure that my impression is correct that this criteria seemed to come from nowhere and this distance from the thread isn't the way he was playing the game i coached him in There is actually a better chance that Mig flips scum instead of Holyflare, because mafia will NEVER, EVER EVER EVER -NOT- ROLEBLOCK ME and kill ritoky and breshke instead of me unless they thought my claim wasn't true | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:42 NydusHerMain wrote: Yayyyyy Nydus finished his exam :3 WHAT A GREAT TIME TO COME BACK | ||
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But I don't think LS would unclaim in that scenario because the unclaim is really coming from someone afraid of being redchecked Unless you believe he intentionally created all this scenario exactly to be cop checked. Which is possible, but WIFOM. | ||
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I have an eye open on people that doesn't want to lynch Mig over HF. If he flips Miller I will go against you. | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:22 rsoultin wrote: lol gb i literally want every last player in this game (though i can't force it, obviously -_-) to answer those questions 1. I think GB's claim is real. I don't think scum fake-claims cop D2 in a 17-player game with either a fake red check on either town OR a scummate. It doesn't make much sense. 2. I'm inclined to believe HF is scum for the previously stated reasons. In brief 1. his declining presence in the thread 2. his reaction to the GB claim D2 3. that he didn't respond until after i said something about his silence. My final comment is that, because I believe GB's claim, I think his not being killed or roleblocked does point to mig actually being scum. Which makes holyflare's alignment moot, cause either he's town and this is a mislynch or he's scum and begging us to lynch him when the other alternative is...mig. GB a question for you: What reactions were you fishing for, faking a red check on me? Oh, I wasn't fishing for an exact reaction. But it helps figuring people's alignment if someone needs a deeper analysis. I have nothing for the reactions right now | ||
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On June 23 2015 20:36 ruXxar wrote: That's a really brilliant play GB! The amount of forethought put into that is staggering. From almost being lynched to catching 2 scum :D. The hero we need but don't deserve after how much we let you get pounded. If what you're saying is true then you're the real MVP for sure. so who's first, mig or hf? Hahaha just saw this IMMA THE BATMAN! | ||
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On June 24 2015 11:32 Holyflare wrote: i cannot comprehend the thought process "i want to lynch the not red checked person" ever Dat feeling when you think that Mig is the roleblocker since you're doing everything to get lynched | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote: it's not even a sick play since you were getting lynched and purposefully made yourself scummy by trying to stick to a fake plan Very meticulous plan, huh? You don't have to convince people I'm Mafia in case you flip purely VT. I will be lynched. In other words: you're wasting your time when you try to convince people I'm scum, because your flip will tell it everyone if I'm town or Mafia | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: but this doesn't matter, they'll see my flip and go straight for you btw to everyone else, if he ever ever ever claims that i must be framed, do NOT believe that bull shit I will never claim that, since I even told people that I scumread Onegu at night so he could be framed instead of you | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:28 Holyflare wrote: i do have to convince people because historically people are idiots HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO this will be my next signature | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:31 Holyflare wrote: like gb what are you doing right now anyway? nothing? i'm trying to thought dump everything and you're posting random shit to distract me from it which you've done THE ENTIRE GAME ask me questions do actual things and stop being shit if you are the cop????? I'm cop. I'm town. You are wasting time trying to convince people I am not since nobody is that stupid. So, work only under the scenario I'm cop. Ok, so questions: Who is Mafia? Isn't mig 100% Mafia since my check went through at night and I'm not dead? What do you think of VA voting me without even reading the thread? What do you make of Onegu jumping so quickly on the fake red check on Rsoultin but having a hard time to jump on yours/still doubting LS's green check? | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:36 Holyflare wrote: lol this is the one day where you can get confirmed town holyflare's thoughts in the thread who you should all respect and adore and bounce ideas back and forth with me (at least i will be confirmed soon) and all you guys do is try and shit fight with me or post useless stuff that has no relevance to anyone else's alignments ^^ Nobody is shit fighting you HF. And I love and adore you. All I'm saying is that only assume I'm town and talk about who's the Mafia team, then. What I asked you are key questions to solving the game | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:47 Holyflare wrote: ^ not the only reason though, I think it's quite disingenuous to miss out key things in people's filters if you're using that as your sole metric to catch up you'd look at it with a fine tooth comb I do agree ruxxar needs revisiting and I remember I said something about "if mig is Mafia, so is bugs", but I forgot what linked them | ||
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I'm sorry, a GF, a Framer AND a Miller in the same game? LOL | ||
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On June 25 2015 01:55 Holyflare wrote: hey i had gf framer and miller in a MINI and town still won You're mean. That's unbalanced | ||
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Then we are lynching Mig Too late to switch targets. Doing shenanigans here is absolutely dangerous. Lynch HF first, then lynch Mig | ||
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On June 25 2015 03:35 ruXxar wrote: I have a hard time reading damdred. I just played a game with him where he was lurking hardcore, so I won't judge him based on his activity. I'll respond to your points about damdred: - Early town reads: + Show Spoiler + I really don't know where he gets this from. There's no reasoning, so I'll have to assume it's all based on meta. Maybe damdred knows people well enough to make that call, I don't know. I've heard that judging people from their first posts is actually not as inaccurate as you may think, but I have a hard time believing that. I'll have to assume that his list is very inaccurate. - Crazy defenses of people. + Show Spoiler + I saw damdred do this as town in his last game, and he was right. However I was very suspicious of him doing so and I still think it's a crapshoot. I generally dislike people calling others 100% town and defending them. Let people defend themselves so that you can actually extract information from them. If you put yourself in the line of fire then you make it seem like you have ulterior motives. This is not a point in his favor My own judgement on damdred: He does seem a little wishy washy, and doesn't justify most of his call outs. I'm also not sure how he went from this: To this: In just 2 pages. I really wish he would qualify his reads more. By the way, that flip on Damdred's read is because I claimed a green check on mig | ||
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Considering I'm town, scenarios: 1) Mig is Mafia and he is not GF/Framed. There is a Roleblocker in the team Mafia sees a green check on an impossible green check. It means town is fake claiming and that guy is obviously not cop. If he lives one more day he will be an easy lynch because he won't be able to sustain that fake claim for long, or he is so stupid that he will keep our Mafia partner mig alive because of it. Let him live. Fish for the protective role and roleblock him. 2) Mig is Mafia and he is GF/Framed. There is a roleblocker on the team Mafia sees a correct green check. Mafia roleblocks the guy so they can WIFOM day3 and try to kill possible protective roles. Or the opposite. Kill the cop and try to roleblock the protective role. 3) A variation of (1) = no roleblocker on the team Claimer is fake claiming, shoot possible protective roles, mislynch fake claimer on day3 4) A variation of (2) = no roleblocker on the team Cop claim is believable. He could have correct checks at night unless we frame the specific player this guy will be checking (difficult, because he checked mig and he had no intention of doing it). Kill him. But if we kill him, we risk having him jail kept. Oh god we are facing a huge problem. We could kill Fidei. We could kill Rsoultin. We could kill GB. Since they are all Claimers, shooting them is dangerous. Let's avoid it and shoot EVERYONE ELSE The only possibilities where the roleblocker got roleblocked is in (1) and (2). That is, if the protective role REALLY was so accurate or so wrong that he roleblocked the most townie people in the game and they are Mafia. For example, 3 people claimed. I obviously wasn't roleblocked, so no protective roles on me. Rsoultin and Fidei claimed, and if protective role roleblocked the roleblocker, it means Rsoultin/Fidei are Mafia. So Holyflare, for you to believe the roleblocker got roleblocked, you have to believe both Fidei and Rsoultin are Mafia. | ||
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On June 25 2015 03:40 Holyflare wrote: and what about the flip on shockey that shockey pointed out? completely unexplained i also really dislike how you aren't talking about anything when you return, if you're being lazy then it's better that you just don't post I'm sorry I'm correcting the guy's wrong read on Damdred? | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:01 Mig wrote: I am only here for like 20 min then gotta go to a tourney. So we know we have a jk/vanisher right (kp stopped n1)If they protected gb last night, no way he could have gotten a check off. So gbs story is 1) didnt claim day1 when the lynch was insanely close in the hopes that people who he thinks are mafia (me) would randomly switch to boxer. 2) then after claiming day2 mafia proceed to not shoot or rb him and 3) the jk apparently must not have protected the claimed dt either. All of these things have to be true for gb to actually be dt. Doesn't it seem more likely that gb fake claimed dt day 2 when he looked fucked and now is fake claiming a red check to get one of the 2 mislynches needed? No, because if I mislynch, I'm dead day4, so IT would be way easier for me, for example, to claim bring roleblocked or to claim having Breshke green checked | ||
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Also, I just realised there is a small possibility that Mafia really didn't care for me checking people. It's small, but it exists and I don't want to disclose this | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:06 Holyflare wrote: you seem to be going by this situation but then never take into account that he kills were almost certainly medic dodges medic dodges while fishing for a medic with a rb in a game where there's no notifications? really gb that's your story? Hmm yeah, you're right with this... Let me think... | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:09 Holyflare wrote: and situation 4 is entirely possible if they were thinking "oh medic might wifom the kill and protect the blue roles too, let's kill unlynchable people" PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT WIFOM SCENARIOS ANYWAY TY If you can come up with 4 scenarios and 2 of them include him being town then you fucking suck and shouldn't pick into wifom He was Mafia in all of those scenarios? Wtf HF... | ||
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Really, look at my thought process here: I was almost lynched day1 and I didn't claim. You know why? Because I'm Mafia and Mafia never cares for survival LOLOLOLOL, it's not that a cop without checks is as good a VT Then day2 came and I fake claimed without a counter claim, HOW LUCKY I AM, RIGHT? Then day3 came and I said that the green check was fake HAHAHA SICK MAFIA PLAYZ. I called LS green for no reason AND I EVEN SAID HF IS MAFIA BECAUSE I ROLECOPPED HIM AND SAW HE IS A MILLER, THAT'S FANTASTIC! This is not wifom at all! But NK discussions, oh, that is wifom! Don't talk about it! Your reaction shows how Mafia you are, Mig. Instead of believing the claim and telling me you're not Mafia and my logic is wrong, you prefer to align with Holyflare to push scum agenda for lynching me. So bad | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote: ding ding ding biggest reason i think i've been role copped This is exactly what you have been saying town needs to do in order to know my alignment. Now I've ROLECOPPED you and that's why you are getting lynched. Hahahahahaha Boy I'm so happy it was so easy to find 2 Mafia like that. How frustrating it is? Tell me, because I can even smell the frustration. It reeks. | ||
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VOTE HIM RIGHT NOW. | ||
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On June 25 2015 05:08 Holyflare wrote: you don't want to be held accountable for mislynching or what gb? I'm lynching you and I'm not even reading the thread because I'm gettin ready for school | ||
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He is objectively a better lynch | ||
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On June 25 2015 05:21 Holyflare wrote: HAH he's lynching me for no reason other than information hahahahaha hahahahahahahaha not even because of a red check or anything because my filter is big LOL :D :D :D :D You know I'm talking about lynching you over mig Lololololol your attempt to look town martyr while trying to discredit me is amusing | ||
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That's my final answer and I've NEVER shut it down | ||
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You just questioned me about him but NEVER pushed him | ||
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On June 25 2015 05:33 ruXxar wrote: I don't think this is a good reason at all. If he has a big filter and is more active that means he's more likely to expose his mafia friends as time passes by, whereas we have nothing to gain from keeping mig alive. You will know I had a red check if we kill Holyflare You won't know if I had one if we kill mig Since some people are STILL thinking I COULD be fake claiming (lmfao), this is the best option here HF will also shitfight me until one of us die Also, he is a good player and if he dies today he won't be aiding his team with the night kill | ||
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I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum? I am town I see an indirect red check on me and a direct check on someone else Will I doubt the claimer or convince I am not scum because those reasons are wifom and will suggest claimer to lynch the red target? Conclusion: there is no world where they aren't both Mafia together IMO | ||
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"GB is arguing that HF should be lynched first because he needs Mig to be lynched first" 10/10 I'll get out before I start shit fighting with you. I have classes anyway, so, there's that. Now, townies, listen: CONSOLIDATE on HF. DO NOT GIVE SPACE TO MAFIA SO THEY CAN SHENANNIE ONTO WHOEVER THEY WANT. Bye | ||
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You're both confirmed Mafia. | ||
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DELETE Also, I've read criticism about my play and fakeclaims. I will talk about it just one more time. I didn't play optimally, yes. I've played badly in thread, probably yes. But I played optimally as town (convinced Mafia I wasn't blue/checked the right people - the green check on LS should be above any speculation on him, and the red check on HF talks about itself) The thing is that people called me Mafia for being bad/illogical. But being bad/illogical doesn't make anyone scum. My reads were all over the thread, and I changed stories accordingly to new things dropped in thread and NOT to fit thread sentiment. It's very hard for Mafia to do what I did with every information dropped in thread. Only Holyflare can be this carefree while posting as scum. Activity IS a town trait, and being carefree IS a general town trait. Holyflare is just the exception to the rule. Now, about fake claims: my fake claim on Mig was only revealed day2. Then I fake claim red check on Rsoultin and quickly withdrew. It means I fake claimed checks TWICE, not EVERYTIME as people are saying. Maybe claiming a red check on Rsoultin was silly but I stand to my point that the fake check on Mig was one of the best moves I will ever see in TL Mafia (yes, ego). But listen: no Mafia will fake claim a RED check. It's suicidal. They will go for the easy check. Especially me. I could have claimed being roleblocked or green checked Breshke before he died. Safest play. How would I know Holyflare is Miller if I was Mafia? But the clearest thing was the reaction from Holyflare and Mig. They BOTH doubted the claim TOGETHER. It doesn't make sense. See, if you're town and you see two red checks (one is indirect, but whatever) and one is on you, you may assume you're miller (or the indirect check is wifom) and you go against the other guy and try to defend yourself. If you're nafia and see a red check on a green, you go against that green too. The only way those two people go against the cop is when they are BOTH MAFIA TOGETHER. But people preferred to lynch me. I would blame me for being lynched day2, maybe even day1 (although I find stupid lynching big filters day), but day3 lynch is totally town's fault. | ||
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On July 04 2015 17:57 marvellosity wrote: there are many players who think their style is ok or good, and it just isn't. when you're a cop with a redcheck and you get lynched, you're doing/have done something horribly, horribly wrong (HF being fantastic not withstanding) when you know who the entire scumteam is and why and you get lynched, you're doing something horribly, horribly wrong (Onegu). Especially Onegu's reaction to the post-game is all wrong, his reaction shouldn't be "why didn't you listen to me scrubs" but "how can I be so fucking shit tier that I got lynched today" Also I mentioned this earlier too, but especially this. HF literally had to be mafia from Onegu's POV. That's not skill, that's just that you're the scrub mafia decided they could lynch (and mafia were right) I know I didn't play optimally but I don't see how my play is scummy. Maybe you could show me what I did that was terribly, terribly wrong. Damdred had me as town, Rsoultin had me as town. Are they average or good for realising that? People that mislynched me, are they bad or average? It's easy to see it objectively and make this rule "if you claimed cop and had a red check, AND got lynched, you did something terribly wrong", but looking at circumstances, it doesn't work this way - in other words, I was mislynched because town didn't consolidate. Just look at he day3 vote count. | ||
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On July 04 2015 14:30 Holyflare wrote: yeh that qt post was retarded gb since if i was town of course i'm going to attack you for fake caiming a red check on me anyway so of course i'm going to doubt the claim and if mig ends up being mafia and being lynched with a fake claim ready he's going to attack your claim too regardless of my alignment since it would set up a further mislynch You know that this isn't what would happen because there could be a miller in the game and I faked a red check on Rsoultin and the reaction she had wasn't this one, so no | ||
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On July 04 2015 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote: I mean normally I don't blame people for getting lynched but you almost got lynched twice and then actually did get lynched the third time...even though you were actually a blue and you actually had a red check. As I said to my shadow I didn't fear anyone in this game and it's really obvious no one on my team really feared you either given how easily you were set up for lynch 3 times in a row. Ordinarily I might agree that town did something dumb but given how little credence you had (and your own posts did not help at all) I don't blame people for wanting to lynch you. Well, I never said I played optimally. I didn't. But what I'm arguing is this: does being illogical makes someone Mafia? You can have little trust in my reads. But those change of reads didn't make me Mafia. | ||
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On July 04 2015 20:49 Blazinghand wrote: If you gotta go to that argument you're in a bad way. It's like how if you get into a long debate and suddenly find yourself saying "well, can we really know anything? is there really such a thing as facts?" -- yeah, sure, you're I guess not technically incorrect, but if this is the only argument you can use to win the debate, clearly you're in a bad place. This is not what I'm saying at all. The nature of what I'm arguing is very different. I'm basically asking "what makes someone Mafia?", and you're saying that I'm asking "how can we possibly know that someone is actually Mafia?" A lot of people have different tools to catch Mafia by saying Mafia are usually passive, inactive, bla bla bla, and I'm asking if being illogical is one of the traits. Is it? | ||
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On July 04 2015 20:58 marvellosity wrote: it's because your play is so habitually all over the place and nonsensical. for example you faking redchecks on people. you might think it's worth it for these awesome reactions it gets, but hey, that's part of the reason you got lynched. If you play like you have ADHD then you get your rewards for it. This isn't to say I think you're a bad player, I think you're fairly sharp and intuitive. you just use your tools in a very poor way. I can understand this. I already admitted the fake red check on Rsoultin and my ADHD play (lol I liked this one) didn't help. But I also think, marv, that that kind of play is more likely coming from town than from Mafia. It's not a GOOD play, but it isn't scummy IMO. For example, I think that Mafia would never come day3 saying they DIDN'T get roleblocked and that they DID have a red check instead of an obvious green one. Anyway, I agree that my gameplay needs to be polished. Thank you | ||
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On July 05 2015 02:58 rsoultin wrote: lol not with you xP come play voice mafia with us on ts ^^ the gang's all here! Give me half an hour | ||
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On July 06 2015 12:23 Holyflare wrote: why do you want a goat on your dick Why wouldn't he? | ||
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