Mafia in the Himalayas

Post a Reply

Normal

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 12 2015 15:37 GMT

#21

/obs

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 14 2015 10:00 GMT

#30

ehhhh I'll /in, especially as Holy Guardians looks to be wrapping up (one way or another!)

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 16 2015 12:52 GMT

#67

Okay, so I'd like to be town with ritoky again this time, except that he doesn't get NKed N1. Think we can manage that people?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 16 2015 17:06 GMT

#92

Bill Murray - famous for being the ml in the epic guide to mafia post stickied above. It will be a pleasure to play with you.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 16 2015 23:13 GMT

#233

Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ...

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 16 2015 23:57 GMT

#322

Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 16 2015 23:58 GMT

#325

*obs, not ins (stupid autocorrect)

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 17 2015 00:01 GMT

#329

You're also shit posting less as well, but I'd say that's town indicative too. I think you realised that our d1 in HG was basically wasted for a bunch of different reasons, but one was that you were our strongest townie and didn't get as much content into the thread as you would have wanted. Your style of reads this time is the same as it was EOD1, when you started to get shit noticed (though you were super wrong about milo :-p).

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 17 2015 00:06 GMT

#333

@RS I played with ritoky, NHM, Damdred, Onegu and GB was the moderator. As I said, there's not a ton to go on yet, but so far NHM seems a bit more free and easy this game. Last game he just kept posting these short, relatively light posts and then disappearing into obscurity for days at a time. It was tough to get a read because he didn't have enough meaningful activity to go on. Damdred led a ML on our only blue, and seems to be posting a little more polished than last time, where I recall he just fired stuff out left right and centre. Ritoky seems identical, save that as I said he's skipped the trolling stage this time around.

I remember that ritoky and Damdred both claim to be able to "soul read" each other. Really interested to see if either of them agree with what I've posted about the other.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 17 2015 00:13 GMT

#343

@shock I have this terrible habit of taking my phone to bed and reading the forums when I should be sleeping. I wanted to get something into the thread so that I wasn't totally afk, but then people started saying things I actually had thoughts about, so now I'm hammering away on my phone.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 17 2015 00:33 GMT

#375

@shock in the last game a lot of people (including me) called Damdred out for not making too many reads or being too 'wishy-washy'. He was town. I'd say his play so far is pretty much the same as last time, albeit that as I said he seems a tad more polished. That could def be more of a reaction to getting so much flak last time.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 17 2015 00:38 GMT

#385

@damdred well since you nearly carried town to victory in HG maybe I should start respecting the 'wishy-washy' style :-)

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 17 2015 07:52 GMT

#730

@GB I realise this is sort of inviting it upon myself, but I totally agree with a 'Lynch all Lurkers' policy, at least for d1. In HG you'll remember I pushed for a d1 lynch on Onegu because he was totally useless. We didn't, and it screwed town at the end because we were stuck with a total coin flip on him, where it was too easy for a ml to happen. You mentioned after the last game that it's stupid to lynch people who are active all over the thread and I agree with that also. Rsoult and bugs sound to me like two townies going after each other.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 17 2015 08:07 GMT

#731

Just to add to the above, I think we should focus on finding people who are 1 inactive and 2 have people defending or at least deflecting off of them. At the moment the thread is moving so fast that it would be super easy for Mafia to generally say nothing, but with a couple of clear targets already I think they'll also not allow a ml, or at least fight it.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 17 2015 10:42 GMT

#734

@LS are you an experienced player? I'm getting the vibe that you know everyone else here. What do you think about WBG's tunnel? In the last game I played, the people who were most tunnelled on people throughout the game all ended up being town - it was the mafia who were much more circumspect. That leads me to give him a town read, but I wanted to run my thinking by others who might know his 'meta' better...

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 17 2015 17:27 GMT

#865

I just did a filter dive on Kelsier, and I have to say this is some of the most obnoxious BM I've come across in Mafia so far. I mean, I've sworn before in posts, but not that much. I don't think it's a great way to play, but I can't think that a Mafia would draw that much attention to themselves unnecessarily. I give him a town read, unless anyone has any meta input if they've played with him before?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 17 2015 22:38 GMT

#1217

@Damdred This is not really an excuse, but I want to talk a bit about how I've played this game so far. HG in total went for 120 pages, all the way to the end. A couple of people were generally inactive over the first couple of days, so the post count was manageable. Towards EOD2 I actually did a complete re-read of the entire game, which was only something like 60 pages (and therefore totally do-able). This time, we've made it to that in a single day. This is only my second game of forum mafia ever and I just am not quite sure what to do with this much content. I can't get a read on anyone because everyone already has six or seven pages of filter and everyone has also just been BMing each other, or making single-line posts which make no sense when you read them as part of a filter. Plus most of the players here are people who weren't in HG, so I have no idea what to look for in them. Right now, I'm just hoping that things settle down a little so I can start to get a grip on everything. If you look back over my filter in HG, I think you'll see that I spent the first day literally deer in headlights. I feel that way again, except even more so. That is how I feel right now. I admit, I'm really not much of an asset to the town because I don't have any strong reads at all. I have read every single page of the forum, on my phone and at work, but it's just moving too quickly for me.

In terms of people who were in HG, I think it's fairly well established that NHM has either undergone a character transplant in the last 24 hours, or has rolled town this game. The difference is night and day. Ritoky looks like the same as he was before - he mostly posted commentary on other people's posts last time, and it got more substantive towards the end of D1. IE, I don't think he has done much that is alignment-indicative yet, but the next day or so will be helpful. You seem similar to last game as well, but I don't give that too much credit because I hated how you played on D1 and D2 and D3 (obviously D4 you rocked pretty hard). That's not a pocket - I'm not giving you a town read, you're just clearly an experienced player and meta reads probably won't take me too far with you ("I shit on my meta", etc). But going straight into this game after the last one is quite a big thing - I'd just got used to reading you based on a certain set of interactions, and now I have to throw them all away.

The reason for posting all this is that I'm acutely self-conscious at how I've played so far. I really want to contribute. I've got an hour or so this evening and I'm going to try and re-read some stuff and give some reads or at least post some useful thoughts. But please don't scum read me for genuinely being over-awed.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 17 2015 22:42 GMT

#1223

I guess I could put this another way - I read elsewhere on the forums that there is a happy medium for a town, in between too lurky (nobody can get reads) and too active (everything important gets swept away by a tidal wave of bullshit). At the moment I think we're waaaaay too far over to the latter right now, meaning that scum can easily skate by whilst all the active town just yell at each other. Part of me not wanting to start trying to get involved in the back and forth is that I'm just concerned I'm going to be adding even further to the clutter.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 00:28 GMT

#1256

@Mig - I have looked over the filters of the two most likely lynch candidates, since that seemed as good a place as any to start trying to break things down.

BF - He has been totally lost in a discussion about meta, whether people can change their meta and whether people have changed their meta. He's had some odd use of language (saying "musclin'", for example) which shows a level of attention to how something sounds that is scummy to me. His vote on HF was based on a single post from rsoult, and was justified by "I don't like that". He has also checked into the thread a couple of times to say he would be on later, but then hasn't delivered. His writing is quite dense and WOTy, even when he writes short things.

Slight scum read - I would be okay with lynching him D1.

ShoCkeyy - His intial read on Onegu is just weird. Claiming VT early says very little about your alignment. If asked, everyone would claim it. It's also the easiest thing in the world to change up. His list post was just odd - it contained no reasoning whatsoever, and was mostly just full of jokes. He also had RL excuses for why he couldn't be around, but then continued to post anyway. He then later says that he's not making up reads, even though he hasn't really given any yet. His reasoning about his activity resonates with me though - he essentially says that you can't measure alignment based upon activity alone. I'm getting a town-y vibe from the way he has responded to criticism.

Slight town read.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 00:42 GMT

#1261

Looking over Mig's filter, I'm giving him quite a strong town read. In the last game ritoky was constantly posting his thoughts on what people were posting, even if it was just "I don't like that for this particular reason". I usually found those reasons pretty spot on (especially his TT read, which I wish I'd carried further than I did). Ritoky got NKed and flipped town. I get a very similar vibe from what Mig is doing here - he has picked out patterns that everyone else seems to have missed, but look very insightful. His late entry into the thread is slightly offputting, but overall it seems like a bad idea to me to lynch someone on D1 who, if they're town, are likely going to be a real asset.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 01:03 GMT

#1268

Breshke - So his first substantive post is here, and it makes absolutely no sense to me. What LS wrote is about as NAI as I've seen in mafia. Saying you've rolled town is what everyone would say, if asked. Saying it unprompted doesn't mean anything - some people who prefer town might want to revel in it, whereas scum might use it as a tool to start subconsciously planting the idea that they're town. Basically the post gives me no "townie feelings" whatsoever, and I'm not sure why Breshke would say it did. He then gives a soft-town meta read on LS, (which we should think about for later, because it could be a deflect).

I really hate this. He starts off by saying something pretty nasty about WBG (that he is self-important), and he says it in a snide offhand way. Moreover, the whole post just seems to amble around in search of a point, without ever finding one, and concluding that he does not have a read.

His final set of posts are all just asking questions of people. I don't think this is necessarily bad play (and I guess I'm not one to talk about bad play ^^), but it feels kind of lazy - particularly because people in the thread haven't been very good at actually answering questions. It's sort of a good way to look like you're town, without actually saying anything, IN PARTICULAR because he never then follows up on any of his questions with follow-ups. It looks like pure filter-filler to me.

I do agree with him that the rso/WBG fight was tedious as fuck.

All his three "would lynch" candidates were mostly AFK, so they were pretty non-controversial. That's not really AI though, because I kinda agree that town is better off lynching lurkers who don't contribute, rather than someone who some people read as scum but who is posting consistently.

His final two posts show a little more leg, but feel a bit light. Ritoky was right, I think, his reasons for his rsoult/WBG read was really lacking. However, I also agree with Ritoky that his response was honest, if not very impressive. If he was mafia, I would have expected him to protest a little more. Then again, if he felt he was caught in a trap, he might have recognised the best thing to do was move on.

Finally, I should say that I HATE posts that are just "I don't like this". Scott did it all last game and he was town, but TT also did it and he was mafia. So it's not AI, but at the same time it's just annoying and it clutters up the thread. Say why you don't like something, or don't say anything at all.

After all that, I give him a null read. Maybe on the slight scum side, only because he has been so reactive.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 08:03 GMT

#1472

Morning Rit - I'm just walking to work. That makes a lot of sense (and I didn't spot it ... Ugh). I'll take another peek at Mig's filter when I'm on the train and will report back.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 08:12 GMT

#1475

So the reason why I missed it, I think, was that it didn't necessarily feel to me like he was actually walking back his position on LS. Instead it seemed to me as though he was commenting offhand on new developments on someone he plainly had an interest in already. But when combined with his relatively short posting history and the lack of people he has actually given reads on, agreed it is suspicious. I'd rather trust your intuition on this tbh.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 08:17 GMT

#1477

@Breshke did you see my post on you? I'd be keen to get your thoughts on what I said..

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 08:33 GMT

#1481

@Breshke - thanks, you're right - I had missed that.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 12:55 GMT

#1503

Them feels, WBG.

FWIW, I've decided to stick my vote on boxerfred. As I said before, I haven't really been impressed with his contributions at all. On top of that, since his filter is yet to make it to 2 pages, I feel he fits neatly into my Onegu-in-HG-inspired policy of LYNCH ALL LURKERS.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 19:09 GMT

#1696

Like, how is telling someone to commit suicide in any way "funny". If you think it is funny, you've got a pretty warped sense of humour.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 20:24 GMT

#1840

@Kel I'm around, keeping tabs on the thread while I'm at work. For what it's worth, and it's probably not much, I agree with GB's sentiment here. A d1 lynch is pretty unlikely to succeed. In the last game I was in (HG) the top three wagons on d1 were all town. This game has been 20 times less likely to actually find a scum imo, given that we're almost at ninety pages after 2 days. PSA: People, your spam and OMGUS'ing is not helpful. You make it super easy for mafia just to blend in to the noise, and you make it super hard for townies (like me) to actually engage with what's going on. If you have a case, please MAKE IT, then let other people actually read it. Don't just keep spamming back and forth. If you're town, you're NEVER going to convince a mafia that they are mafia - they'll keep protesting their innocence until they are lynched. Same if they're town. The people you have to convince is everyone else, and frankly I'm just kind of turned off by all this.

So, back to GB - he's posting, people can get reads on him, and those reads will only get stronger and more accurate over time. Worst case if we don't lynch him is that he's mafia and we catch him later. However, if we do lynch him, we're missing the opportunity to lynch a scummy lurker. If you let the lurkers live, they just turn the later days into a coinflip for active town.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 20:24 GMT

#1841

TL;DR Will someone please start traffic-copping this thread *pretty please*

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 20:29 GMT

#1852

On June 19 2015 05:25 LightningStrike wrote:

Show nested quote +

Lynching lurkers Day 1 isn't optimal play when you can lynch scum imo.

... I mean, that's obviously true (to the extent that it's basically a truism). My point is that I don't think we have a very good chance of catching a scum today. This thread has been a dumpster, where most people who aren't involved in the OMGUS/tit-for-tat are probably just finding their strongest town read (for me it's Rsoult btw) and sheeping them. But at least if we lynch a lurker, we guarantee that we make it harder for mafia to keep lurking and blending in.

I recognise that there's sort of a logical tension here - I'm saying that we should lynch lurkers, but I'm also saying that all this volume of posting is also seriously town-detrimental. I guess I'm just an optimist, as I think people will eventually run out of steam soon and then we can start having some actually quasi-serious discussions.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 20:32 GMT

#1862

On June 19 2015 05:26 wherebugsgo wrote:

Show nested quote +

so literally your only reason for wanting to keep GB alive is because there's potentially a better, lurkier player out there?

Why don't you read the case on GB instead of using things that are not alignment indicative to get yourself off an actually good lynch?

Also it's rather ironic coming from you that we should lynch into the lurkers. I would place you near the top of a lurk list if I had to make one.

That's a fair point, but let me put it to you like this. I work 12 hour days a lot of the time. Sure, I can mostly keep up with the thread. But when it's back and forth nonstop, mostly with partially thought through arguments, BM, off-topic chitchat and otherwise, how are people like me supposed to get an edge in. I made four substantive posts last night on four different people and I don't think I got a single comment on them, really, except one from Brez. When I look at your back and forth with GB, I feel like I basically have to go back to the start of the game to understand where it truly came from, which is 90 pages worth of mostly trash.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 20:39 GMT

#1871

Well, I suppose I didn't mean that it wasn't serious, just that it isn't helpful. People need time in this game to re-read and re-consider posts, and to think about what people have said. I don't think that's what we have at the moment. No doubt somewhere in these pages there are some mafia slips, but we're likely going to miss them in the sheer volume.

That said, I'll go back and look over the GB debate again, since I should probably develop an opinion on it if it's all we're going to fight about for the next week ^^. I don't suppose I could be super lazy and ask you to give me a useful starting point (preferably one not before page 70, lol).

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 20:41 GMT

#1873

@Rsoult great minds think alike :-)

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 18 2015 20:43 GMT

#1880

(Final post on this ... WBG I think you might actually have changed my mind on the principle of the thing. I was too tunnelled on LYNCH ALL LURKERS, when I should have been thinking LYNCH ALL THE ANTI-TOWN POSTERS. Not as catchy, but probably more accurate. I totally accept it's possible that bf might be discouraged town. However, my read on him is more based on the things he did say, rather than his promises of returning. So I'm going to keep on him for now. But hopefully after all this you get a slightly better idea of where I'm coming from.)

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 19 2015 00:22 GMT

#2319

People, I want to talk about VayneAuthority.

That last post really felt off to me. I've been the first one to complain about the tone of the game, but when I did it I was trying to be constructive ("stop posting so much, please, give me a chance to catch up!"). But what VA is doing in that last post is trying to drain the will of the town to keep playing. Four or five people (including ritoky, who I'm going to keep town reading up until he inevitably flips mafia, knowing my luck) have already said they're burned. Why would anyone who was town pile on?

So that took me on to the filter dive. I have nothing to report. There's two pages, and literally not a single substantive post or comment. Nothing, in an entire two full calendar days (and one mafia 'day'). It's all pictures, one-line questions and general filler. No apparent attempt to understand the game, even on a bitesize level.

I'm reading VA hard scum for this.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 19 2015 00:23 GMT

#2320

PS I'm not really sure what claiming someone as 'hard' scum means, but I heard someone else use the phrase and I like it. I presume it means that they're at the scum end of my scum spectrum? That's how I'm using it anyway ^^

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 19 2015 00:24 GMT

#2322

Is he always like this?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 19 2015 00:26 GMT

#2323

@Nydus I started reading GB's filter, but I got bored. Nothing in there was particularly impressive, but nothing really stood out to me either. Plus I'm sheeping Rsoult's reads at the moment because she was so nice about me(<3), and I think she has him as a town.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 19 2015 00:27 GMT

#2325

WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 19 2015 00:40 GMT

#2332

WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.

If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.

Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.

In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 19 2015 00:42 GMT

#2335

Okay I got most of the way through GB's filter and I truly did give up.

Town read. In summary, the reason is that in HG we mislynched on the first night and I was the casting vote. We MLed the most active player who was actually trying to organise town. I don't think GB is being quite as bossy in this game as Kickstarter was in HG, but I read their posts in a similar fashion.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 19 2015 12:08 GMT

#2429

Well done bud! Sorry about the ml :-(

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 20 2015 11:26 GMT

#2718

Guys - I'm at ESL this weekend (Alliance already out

). I will catch up on the thread this evening if I can, but that's why I've been quiet.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 20 2015 22:04 GMT

#2870

Why do you say he's Mafia? His troll-y style is the same as in HG..

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 21 2015 06:45 GMT

#2991

So I'm kind of concerned about Ruxxar's read on me. While I am town, I've played pretty rubbish this game. I've discussed the reasons why already. Looking back over my posts, I can totally see why someone would think I was Mafia. I found his town read on me quite disconcerting. I accept that rsoult seems to have a soul read on me as well (which is nice, kinda like Damdred and ritoky), but the reasons Ruxxar gave for his read on me just feel kind of forced?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 21 2015 10:55 GMT

#3013

How accurate are your drunk senses?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 21 2015 17:03 GMT

#3038

No time to read the thread so imma sheep rsoult.

ESL is pretty fun you guys. I will be back tomorrow and ready to close this one out for town.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 21 2015 17:04 GMT

#3039

Also I am townreading Shockey from way back, and see no reason to walk that back.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 23 2015 11:50 GMT

#3485

Hey all - I'm now back from Frankfurt and up to speed. Sorry for the relative inactivity (especially to rsoult, for carrying me through!).

Yes, I am mason buddies with rsoult. We were hoping to keep it quiet until later, but my inactivity sort of forced it out of us. I'm at work atm, but I'll try and post some more substantive points later.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 23 2015 17:42 GMT

#3508

I agree with LS here - it makes more sense to go after the red check first. If nothing else, it will help us establish once and for all whether or not GB is telling the truth (IE if HF flips green/blue, we immediately lynch GB and regret our mistake of ever believing him..) Obviously if we nail HF, we can go from there.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 23 2015 19:54 GMT

#3517

On June 24 2015 03:16 rsoultin wrote:
Eh lol so many things wrong with that fidei lol >< i'll lynch either but he's either town or scum content to be lynched which is why I suggested mig

I get why that makes ppl uncomfortable though

:-(

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 23 2015 20:19 GMT

#3519

GB has claimed cop and has says he had a red check on you. So either you're Miller, you're Mafia or he's lying. Which do you think it is?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 23 2015 20:21 GMT

#3520

Unless I'm missing something?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 23 2015 20:23 GMT

#3522

It's obviously not irrelevant, since we haven't lynched anyone yet. Can you link me to your post?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 23 2015 20:26 GMT

#3524

Okay, okay. I'll wait.

The flame in the mason QT is real ;-)

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 23 2015 20:28 GMT

#3525

It's not really flame, it's more like disappointment :-(

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 23 2015 20:33 GMT

#3528

The more important question is what you have to say for yourself!

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 23 2015 20:53 GMT

#3530

In this game I have the absolute luxury of being (1) confirmed town and (2) paired with someone who is clearly much smarter and better at the game and me, who I can sheep without doubt. So, yeah. I can wait for your response.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 21:30 GMT

#3743

It sounds pretty random to me, especially given the votes on HF and Mig are way more than those on GB.

I still can't quite work out why the mafia didn't NK GB last night though..

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 21:34 GMT

#3748

I don't understand HF asking to be lynched. Even if he flips town, we still only get one red out of it. Unless he's just given up?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 21:35 GMT

#3752

So if GB is Mafia it's GB, Onegu, Damdred and who?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 21:40 GMT

#3763

HF - presumably if you are falsely accused them GB must be Mafia, excepting some kind of unfortunate Miller/framer bs?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 21:42 GMT

#3768

I'm inclined to agree with you. But ritoky and rsoult both have mig on their lists and I see no reason to jump off that vote. If they're both wrong. We lynch GB tomorrow and re evaluate.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 21:44 GMT

#3773

Town needs to consolidate on Mig or HF, and I think it should be Mig.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 21:45 GMT

#3780

just so we can catch up, HF you aren't making a blue claim right?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 21:48 GMT

#3796

@rsoult seems unlikely that a VA/HF/mig Mafia line up (which it must be if we believe GB) would come out and nail themselves together so hard now, when we're about to lynch one of them. It really makes me doubt GB. Can you give me a steer, as I'm about to get on a train and might miss eod.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 21:51 GMT

#3809

Mistake? I've had a beer, but not sure I follow ...

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 21:53 GMT

#3821

Rip my connection GL town (if eod is in 7 mins)

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:17 GMT

#3885

So it seems to me that the next week of this game is going to be tedious, as we lynch Mig VA and HF. Wonder who the last Mafia is.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:18 GMT

#3887

Rsoult I don't understand why we believe VA's claim?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:19 GMT

#3889

Classic Mafia play. Blame the town you mislynched.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:22 GMT

#3893

Why are you pissed off???

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:22 GMT

#3894

You got the lynch you wanted!!

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:24 GMT

#3897

Short divine intervention I am lynching Mig, HF then Va in that order and I shall not be talked down.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:25 GMT

#3901

Just to say I totally don't deserve it either but I was lucky enough to roll mason :-)

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:27 GMT

#3903

HF the confirmed cop has a red check on you. I would literally be committing negligence if I didn't lynch you.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:28 GMT

#3905

Also I'm scum reading you regardless for blaming the lynchee rather than the lynchers. Classic Mafia trait.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:30 GMT

#3907

I'm willing to be talked down on VA, I guess. But that's at least six days away anyway, since we're lynching you and Mig next anyway :-)

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:32 GMT

#3910

Damdred is playing super different to HG, so could well be Mafia. Don't know about the rest.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:35 GMT

#3912

Also re the VA cc, we haven't heard from a couple of the players since the claim. So I'm not willing to conclude this witch hunt quite yet.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:41 GMT

#3917

@Mig I think that we can pretty much ignore anything you say now, on the basis that you are confirmed mafia.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:42 GMT

#3918

@Mig also it was your stupid ass who led us on GB, when rsoult was convinced that that was the wrong play.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:43 GMT

#3922

@Mig also also, rsoult starting breadcrumbing me literally day 1, and has had to work a lot harder to make up for my generally shoddy level of play. And, in fact, we weren't even the ones who outed ourselves - that was Damdred.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:44 GMT

#3923

@Mig apologies for lack of manners. You seem like a nice guy. But you're mafia and we're lynching you :-)

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 22:47 GMT

#3929

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 24 2015 23:54 GMT

#3997

Vote totals, which we should probably look at at some point.

On June 19 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote:

Final Day 1 Vote Count

boxerfred (8): ~~Holyflare~~, ~~GlowingBear~~, ~~Breshke~~, rsoultin, ~~LightningStrike~~, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, GlowingBear
GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, ~~KelsierSC~~, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, ~~KelsierSC~~, boxerfred, ~~ShoCkeyy~~, Breshke, KelsierSC
ShoCkeyy (1): ~~NydusHerMain,~~ ~~NydusHerMain~~, ~~LightningStrike~~, ~~KelsierSC~~, ~~KelsierSC~~, ~~GlowingBear~~, ritoky
LightningStrike (0): ~~KelsierSC~~, ~~Onegu~~, ~~GlowingBear~~, ~~KelsierSC~~, ~~ShoCkeyy~~, ~~KelsierSC~~
Holyflare (0): ~~boxerfred~~
Onegu (0): ~~NydusHerMain~~, ~~NydusHerMain~~
Lohengramm (0): ~~VayneAuthority~~
KelsierSC (0): ~~wherebugsgo~~
rsoultin (0): ~~wherebugsgo~~, ~~VayneAuthority~~, ~~GlowingBear~~, ~~Holyflare~~
wherebugsgo (0): ~~KelsierSC~~
Mig (0): ~~wherebugsgo~~

Not voted (1): Lohengramm

Slipping from the ledge, boxerfred has fallen into the abyss.
Day 1 has ended.

On June 22 2015 06:46 Half the Sky wrote:

Day 2 Vote Count

Lohengramm (10): Mig, GlowingBear, Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, ruXxar, Fidei86, Holyflare, Breshke, ShoCkeyy
GlowingBear (2): ~~VayneAuthority~~, ~~Holyflare~~, ~~Breshke~~, ~~rsoultin~~, Lohengramm, ~~Fidei86,VayneAuthority~~, ritoky
ShoCkeyy (2):~~VayneAuthority~~, LightningStrike, NydusHerMain
LightningStrike (1): Onegu
VayneAuthority (0): ~~ruXxar~~
Holyflare (1): ~~GlowingBear~~, GlowingBear
Mig (0): ~~GlowingBear~~, ~~LightningStrike~~, ~~Damdred~~
Onegu (0): ~~GlowingBear~~

Clinging to the ledge, Lohengramm hangs over the abyss.
Day 2 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.

Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.

On June 25 2015 06:56 Fecalfeast wrote:

Day 3 Vote Count

Holyflare (2): ~~rsoultin~~, GlowingBear, ~~LightningStrike~~, ~~Onegu~~, ~~ruXxar~~, ~~Fidei86~~, NydusHerMain
GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu
Mig (3): ruXxar, rsoultin, Fidei86
Damdred (0): ~~Holyflare~~
rsoultin (0): ~~Onegu~~

Not voted (2): ShoCkeyy, Damdred

Clinging to the ledge, GlowingBear hangs over the abyss.
Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.

Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 25 2015 13:40 GMT

#4034

Really liking Ruxxar's analysis here. So the last mafia is one of Damdred, Nydus and Shockkey? That makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 25 2015 22:07 GMT

#4105

? is he out?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 25 2015 22:12 GMT

#4109

Saying things that are so obvious, they don't need to be said.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 25 2015 22:25 GMT

#4115

Why on earth would you not jail Rsoult, who was blatantly town and the main target of the mafia??

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 25 2015 22:27 GMT

#4117

*facepalm*

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 25 2015 22:42 GMT

#4121

vote: Mig

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 26 2015 09:21 GMT

#4123

Okay, with rsoult out it looks like I'm going to have to take up the reins a little bit.

As an opener, I assume we are all onboard with lynching Mig and HF? I recognise that there is a very minimal chance that HF is miller/was framed, but given that it's a red check from the confirmed cop, I think the odds are much better there than they would be with anyone else.

Mig is a no-brainer, given that ritoky was suspicious of him (and this feels a lot like what happened in HG, when rit was suspicious of TT, who was mafia), and also the whole GB green-check bait.

If people really aren't enthused about posting, we can play it out until then, as the NK's will further narrow the pool.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 26 2015 09:23 GMT

#4124

That said, I really think that people who have been inactive up until now really need to step it up (provided they are town :-) ). We don't have much but a bunch of tone reads on everyone other than HF and Mig (with the exception of the JK claim on VA), so we need to make up for it by a relatively active town.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 29 2015 07:55 GMT

#4418

I don't see that we can look past GB's red check on HF. I agree that there is a chance that he could have been framed or be the Miller. That would be extremely unfortunate for town. But the odds on lynching him are just so much better than they are on lynching anyone else, that I have to vote that way I think.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 29 2015 19:06 GMT

#4436

On June 25 2015 06:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
Btw, ruxxar is confirmed town since I saved bugs/his slot n1

Just bumping this post, since I missed it the first time around.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 29 2015 22:31 GMT

#4468

@Nyd I really don't think it's for me to choose the lynch. I mean, I am town, but I've been hopeless this game. I want to lynch HF because I don't think we'd ever live it down if we let someone argue us out of a red check. I agree that lynching him doesn't necessarily take us closer to victory, since we're still at mis-lynch/lose, but seeing peoples reactions to the accusation is still interesting.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 09:22 GMT

#4514

Onegu I think Ruxx is town, because I had *exactly* the same reaction to you in HG (you're an easy mislynch, but I want to lynch you anyway). And I was town in that game. Not the most waterproof logic ever, but there it is.

Anyway, everyone needs to vote for HF. If he's unlucky town, we can all put it down to experience. But I'm concerned about the people deflecting off HF. I think Damdred is a strong scum at this point for trying to deflect off (and also for playing this game utterly differently from HG). The third is up in the air, but I don't think it's LS or Ruxx.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 10:27 GMT

#4518

Yup. I only believed you were town once you started trying and pointing out the vote switching thing. Still mad at VE for the throws.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 10:28 GMT

#4519

Also why would scum NK HF? he's the most obvious ML there is.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 12:41 GMT

#4524

Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end.

Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 14:19 GMT

#4530

That's not how I read what happened. GB came out and said he had a red check on you and an inference check on Mig. Mig wasn't in any way "outing" you when he spoke out later on - you were already in the firing line. What Mig did eventually led to us ML'ing the cop, which surely has to be worth it from a mafia perspective (the votes on Mig and you split, as you'll recall).

@Ruxx I say we lynch HF, then Damdred, and then whoever's left can decide whether or not the last lynch is Shockkey or Onegu. I'll be long dead by that point anyway.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 14:38 GMT

#4532

Because it's not actually what happened? What happened was that we ML'ed the cop. Mafia (as you will know, being one yourself) just want to delay out the game. The mafia then got the chance to NK the jailkeeper and rsoult (who was our best player left), rather than the one NK they would have had before Mig flipped. That's a HUGE win for the mafia.

And obviously Mig flipping doesn't doom you, since you're STILL here and I'm STILL having to convince everyone to lynch you.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 14:39 GMT

#4533

Put another way, Mig and you were both up shit creek. The CC created enough confusion for us to ML the cop, which means that, rather than lynching you or Mig (which, as you say, confirms you both as mafia and GB as the cop), we MLed the cop and gave the mafia an extra night kill.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 15:36 GMT

#4542

HF - I don't need to convince you that you are mafia, I need to convince everyone else.

Everyone else - we have a RED CHECK from the CONFIRMED COP on HF. If you are town and you're not sure who to vote for, that should be more than enough for you. Don't let HF's consistent insistence that he is town fool you.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 15:39 GMT

#4544

Also HF - I am the one who actually had access to rsoult's QT. So I think people can trust me when I say that rsoult was leaning scum on you, and was happy to lynch you.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 15:54 GMT

#4556

Or they're misguided town and mafia? And I use the term 'misguided' loosely, since obviously if you are mafia you have played very well indeed to get this many people to misread you :-)

I'm not moving my vote, and I urge everyone else to please do your duty and vote on the red check.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 15:58 GMT

#4560

The only thing that makes me think you might actually be town is the fact that you haven't actually tried to get another wagon going yet. Which is, admittedly, a little strange. Still, it's not helping your case either way.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 15:59 GMT

#4562

it's not WIFOM, it's a matter of simple statistics. You are far more likely to be mafia, on a percentage basis, than you are to be either the miller or framed. We obviously don't even know if there is a miller or a framer, let alone have anything to suggest it might be you who is unlucky enough to be caught by one of them.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:21 GMT

#4599

I'd switch to lynch Shockkey, if we can get four people together to do it. I still think HF is scum 100%, but there's no point having two votes parked on him if everyone else fractures.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:22 GMT

#4600

We could get five, because scum HF likely sheeps town if we can get four townies together.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:23 GMT

#4601

Also, for the post-game cred, I'm going to go for the scum team of HF, Damdred and Shockkey. Rsoult had Ruxx rather than Damdred as the fourth scum, but I'm seeing a Damdred deflect of HF combined with his generally shoddy play this game (in contrast to last game, where he was really strong).

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:29 GMT

#4605

BTW if Shockey flips town and HF flips scum, you are all going to feel sooooo stupid that you let him argue you out of a red check.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:31 GMT

#4608

So everyone knows, rsoult was utterly convinced that LS would flip town. I see no reason to question her conclusion, given she is a far better player than I am.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:32 GMT

#4612

So basically I'm at:

Town:
Ruxx
LS
Me

Scum:
HF
Shock

Meh:
Damdred
Onegu

I'm going with Damdred over Onegu because Onegu is useless in every game, whereas Damdred was specifically very helpful in his last game, and has been rubbish in this game.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:37 GMT

#4618

@HF - You say I've played badly this game. I agree. I was not prepared for the massive difference in volume of posts between a 13 player and a 17 player game.

So all I have to rely on is this - with 13 town at the start the odds of you being picked out as the miller are 1/13. Even now, and assuming there is a miller, they are still 1/4. Furthermore, the odds of there both being a framer, and they having framed you on that night, are surely much lower. than 1/4. Therefore, to my mind, the statistics say that you're mafia.

Given that I don't really have any good reads on anybody, I see no reason to colour the raw statistics with my own personal bias.

You don't have to like it, but there are my reasons. I won't be saying them again, as clearly there is no point in reasoning with you either way.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:39 GMT

#4619

On July 01 2015 02:33 NydusHerMain wrote:

Show nested quote +

*cough* T.T *cries*

Haha. I got the numbers wrong *facepalm*

I think NHM is town, because of the early game. Totally different to HG. Worthy of a win if it turns out you're actually scum.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:40 GMT

#4621

On July 01 2015 02:35 Holyflare wrote:
like seriously i've put in a solid like 4 cycle game where i've been trying to solve it at every single juncture and you're being a prick and going "lalalalalala don't care red check", you know how fucking mad that makes me? i'm the towniest guy in this game WITH a red check and everyone is calling me town and you don't give a shit because your 2-3 game knowledge of mafia suddenly makes you superior than the ~20 players in this game that know me far better? i even took a day off work just so i could make cases on gb so that you would lynch him after my flip, no way i am that dedicated as mafia

Stop whining and grow up. This is a game. It's not personal.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:42 GMT

#4622

Also you still haven't posted anything remotely helpful today. You haven't tried to get one other wagon started, you've just been obsessed with my attacks on you. THAT is scummy.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:49 GMT

#4628

Onegu played exactly the same way as this in HG and he was town then too.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:49 GMT

#4629

Or, at least, he was "town then...".

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 17:59 GMT

#4634

HF - agreed. I think the way forward is to start policy lynching Onegu every time he doesn't show up d1. It's the only way he'll stop ruining our games.

However, lynching him is a 50/50 shot for confirmed town who aren't me (assuming you're all happy I'm confirmed town :-) ). He's done nothing alignment indicative at all. Given that you're happy to submit to the coin flip on him, not sure why you're so outraged about me wanting to lynch you based on statistics.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 18:02 GMT

#4637

Can everyone please remember that scum HF can yell just as much and just as loudly as town HF. Thanks.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 19:12 GMT

#4668

I'll agree with HF on this, at least, if the afk-era don't come and say something constructive, we're 100% going to lose.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 19:34 GMT

#4674

On July 01 2015 04:21 Holyflare wrote:

Show nested quote +

So you're just going to ignore everything I said and post even though you complained I wasn't doing anything.......? That's pretty insulting.

This is getting tiresome. If you're mafia, you'll do anything to discredit me. If you're town, I can see that this would be frustrating for you, but getting mad at me isn't helping. I don't respect your push on Onegu. I think it's an attempt to push an easy mislynch.

When I was talking about policy lynching Onegu, I meant that he was ruining games by turning his alignment into a coin flip. I didn't mean you were ruining games.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 19:38 GMT

#4675

As I've said, I think that a confirmed red check is vastly more reliable than any of the other points people are making or have made so far this game. And no, you constantly posting that you're town does not make you town. Other people reading you town does not make you town. I can't say that any other way. I'd much rather lose the game on the off chance you are extremely unlucky than because we basically picked another vote out of the air.

I think Shockkey is very likely scum. He has spent basically his entire filter ripping on LS and defending himself. Highly unconvincing. Then again, that could just be how he plays. But if people won't lynch you, I'll have to follow my dead teacher and mentor in going on Shockey.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 19:43 GMT

#4678

I don't think you're an idiot, HF. I think you're actually very smart. I've been told that you're an aspiring lawyer (or possibly a lawyer already?). Anyway, as a smart guy (and as a town person), you would recognise that this bickering between us is not helping town at all. I'm kind of ashamed for having participated in it myself. And you know that your words towards me are not convincing me that you're not scum. So why keep posting?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 19:44 GMT

#4679

On July 01 2015 04:43 Holyflare wrote:

Show nested quote +

Guess who has also done that. Onegu.

Guess what makes shockeyy actually more likely to be town than onegu? His participation in the actual game and yes, while he is discrediting LS it looks like he believes what he is saying. Can you say the same thing for Onegu who is pushing ls for something that doesn't even make sense?

Shockeyy has posted lots of things in hidden url's in posts that I don't think he would do. On day 2 when GB was claiming cop shockey was constantly posting hidden things saying that if GB switched to him then GB is confirmed scum because GB read shockeyy as town all the cycle. Shockey has also got 6 times the filter size of his largest mafia game. Shockey does not have a red check on him but there is a vast expanse of information that makes Onegu likely mafia that you aren't even looking at because "he's a coin flip"

Shockey's filter is six pages long. If his average filter length is one page, then either he gets MLed day 1 a lot, or he's a really bad played.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 20:36 GMT

#4701

Can we all agree just to policy lynch Onegu next game for being a troll?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 20:40 GMT

#4710

We did lose Guardians...

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 20:42 GMT

#4715

ShoCkeyy - Mig said that too, and he was mafia. So it's not a reason not to lynch you. Also, put your vote somewhere. Leaving it off is scummy.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 20:47 GMT

#4726

I'll move onto him, but I don't think everyone else will. We need to be on the same person, so let's get on Shockey.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 21:31 GMT

#4783

Guys, something's wrong here.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 21:32 GMT

#4785

No way Onegu is on the same side as HF and Shockey, but they're the only other two not voting Shockey.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 21:45 GMT

#4801

Onegu why are you pushing HF even though we have a lynch on Shock

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 21:47 GMT

#4803

but there's five on shockkey, and so there are def mafia on Shockkey unless you're mafia

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 21:52 GMT

#4812

okay this is def a ml

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 21:54 GMT

#4819

Can we move onto Damdred? I'm giving it the old 360 no scope

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 21:55 GMT

#4826

Please not Onegu. Any other town online?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 21:58 GMT

#4838

NHM we need to move now

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 21:58 GMT

#4843

I dunno

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 21:59 GMT

#4845

okay guys who do we move to?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:07 GMT

#4860

Wow, the panic was real boys. This makes no sense though.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:12 GMT

#4873

Meh, I think it makes Damdred town honestly.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:12 GMT

#4875

Hey ruxxar, where were you

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:16 GMT

#4882

HF - still yet to be right on a single lynch.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:18 GMT

#4885

People, after I get NKed this evening, please lynch HF, in my memory :-)

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:18 GMT

#4886

All seriousness though, who first suggested Shockkey?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:28 GMT

#4895

RIP me

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:30 GMT

#4896

I'm only going to play 13 man games from now on. This game was way too hard for a casual at the start.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:34 GMT

#4899

... It was like a week ago. I would have to be pretty retarded to have forgotten. :p

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:40 GMT

#4906

Damdred and HF. Game over.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:47 GMT

#4909

Riddle me this then Damdred, why are you playing so differently this game to HG?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:47 GMT

#4910

Where, by the way, you were actually useful and commanding, where as in this game you've barely said anything.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 22:53 GMT

#4913

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 23:39 GMT

#4922

Just putting this out there, there is literally nothing any of you can say right now to convince me that HF isn't scum. I will not vote for anyone else next day time.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 23:42 GMT

#4923

How many more mislynches does one man have to lead before you all will see that?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 23:43 GMT

#4924

I think the GB vote will help us find HF's accomplice in scummery though.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 23:51 GMT

#4926

LS and NHM are basically confirmed town to my mind. There is no chance in my mind that Onegu, HF and Shock was the Mafia team, so in those circumstances I don't see why they would bus rather than just take advantage of a totally fractured town.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

June 30 2015 23:52 GMT

#4928

So basically you guys better get your heads together after I die and make sure you vote the same way.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 00:03 GMT

#4931

Best of luck to him.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 08:55 GMT

#4940

NHM the only thing I have to go on is last game, where he was incredibly vocal (some might say obnoxious :-)) all game, took the lead and didn't seem to give a crap about what other people thought). This game it's like the opposite. I know he says he doesn't care about his meta, but I would be voting him on that alone.

Can someone check whether ritoky ever gave a read on Damdred? He was a relatively early NK and he and Dandred claim to "soul read" each other.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 09:20 GMT

#4942

Yeah I'm the above - it's not a "soul" read by any stretch, it's just what I'm going on.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 10:56 GMT

#4944

Let us not speak ill of the dead

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 12:28 GMT

#4945

One more post incriminating HF, then I'll be busy for most of the rest of the evening.

Look at the posts leading up to the Shockey lynch. In particular, look at how Shockey describes Onegu. People talk about bussing all the time in lylo. But here we're in a slightly strange situation, where we were 5 town and 2 mafia. The chance of a mislynch is higher. By the end Shockey is begging everyone to move to Onegu.

I do not think it is realistic that the mafia do not attempt to start a single town wagon all day. I just don't buy it. That means that one of HF and Onegu must be town. However, I don't see that HF and Onegu can possibly be on the same team, since they were both trying so so hard to get each other lynched.

It is possible that there is some sort of weird bus thing going on that is too next level for me too understand. But Occam's razor suggests that the most likely explanation is also the correct one. Here, the most likely explanation is that HF and Shockey are mafia together, with a third (one of Damdred or Ruxx), and that they were desperately trying to get a mislynch onto Onegu to win the game.

That, and HF has been wrong about literally every lynch we have had. He fought for GB's lynch even after there was super strong evidence that Mig was the better lynch. He said that the game was over if we voted for Shockkey.

The reason I think it is Damdred is that Damdred keeps deflecting off HF. He's done it twice now - once on the whole red check thing, and once on the bit where I pointed out that HF was continually wrong about everything.

It's Damdred and HF folks. It's that simple. Keep voting them off after I die.

Thanks.

*drops mic*

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 12:33 GMT

#4946

*picks up mic*

Also this can be done by process of elimination:

NHM and LS move onto Shockey, even though I'm desperately trying to lynch HF. No way they're scum.
I'm town :-)
We have the save on Ruxx from the start, plus the fact that WBG was literally the spammiest poster on day 1, which I guess is town indicated. Plus Ruxx has put a lot of work into his reads, particularly early on.

That leaves the scum team as including Onegu, HF and Damdred.

No way that HF and Onegu are on the same team, and HF's close alignment to Shockey makes it seem much more likely to me that they're on the same team. Therefore it's HF and Damdred.

*re-drops mic*

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 12:35 GMT

#4947

Edit: we were 5 town and 3 mafia, but the same point stands.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 12:37 GMT

#4948

Also HF, just so you know, I'm sure you have an extremely long and whiny post forming in your head at this point. I just want to say that how you've played this game has been very disappointing if you are town. The reason for that is that you should understand that when you're town, you're constantly sure everyone is lying all the time. Everything that goes into these threads is potentially someone lying. Getting as upset as you have been getting in this thread is just ridiculous. You know I'm town, and you know I'm now trying to win. Your constant accusations that I'm not have been jarring.

If you're mafia, that's acceptable, because ... you know ... you're trying to convince everyone that I'm wrong. If you're town, then it's just sad.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 14:08 GMT

#4952

My read on HF above does not rely in any way upon the red check.

But the fact that you discounted it so quickly is concerning to me. It surely *has* to be considered, otherwise what is the point of even having a cop? Even if you think there are other things that are more important, to just brush it off is pointless.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 14:18 GMT

#4953

There's a difference between not listening and listening but not agreeing.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 14:38 GMT

#4956

If you're scum, I respect the way you're going about it much more than I respect Damdred's way

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 15:12 GMT

#4958

Damdred - insulting us based upon your supposed town v mafia meta isn't helping. I haven't played a game with you while you're scum, so I'm not able to give you a meta scum read. All I can say is that you've played very differently to the last game, where you were town.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 16:08 GMT

#4960

I do have a 'meta' read on you, but that's not the main reason I'm pushing you. I'm pushing you because you keep deflecting off HF, who is my number 1 scum read. And also for the reasons ruxx just gave, which look pretty solid to me.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 16:50 GMT

#4962

It's hardly idiotic to deflect. We might not have noticed the deflect. And it's contributing to the growing sense in town that we should ignore the red check. Obviously if you and HF are the scum team, you want to downplay that as much as we can. If you're actually town, maybe you think that. But the point I'm trying to make is that we don't know whether to believe what you're saying or not, because you might be mafia. So we have to evaluate what we see on its face.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 16:51 GMT

#4963

EBWOP

It's hardly idiotic to deflect. We might not have noticed the deflect. And it's contributing to the growing sense in town that we should ignore the red check. Obviously if you and HF are the scum team, you want to downplay that as much as you can. If you're actually town, maybe you just think that. But the point I'm trying to make is that we don't know whether to believe what you're saying or not, because you might be mafia. So we have to evaluate what we see on its face.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 16:56 GMT

#4965

They are fair points, but that doesn't mean that it isn't what you're doing. You could, of course, be doing it, ready in the knowledge that you can make those points to defend yourself if you get picked up on it.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 16:56 GMT

#4966

Also barely anybody seems to think HF is scum at the moment. I tried my hardest to get him lynched yesterday, and I couldn't.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 17:15 GMT

#4971

The only way that it's an Oneg, HF, Shockey team is that all three wagons that got started were all on mafia. That makes no sense to me. Why would mafia not even try to start a mislynch? Screw town-cred, they can just win the game that day with a town wagon. If I were mafia, I would be willing to stick my neck out to get a mislynch. The risk (losing you) is much less than the reward (winning the game).

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 17:27 GMT

#4974

Yeah but there were three other mafia people who could have tried to get a mislynch going. In fact, the only wagon shockey wanted on to was the Onegu one. It could be an elaborate ruse, but ... I dunno ... it seems more likely to me that it was genuine.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 17:32 GMT

#4979

@Damdred - so you're saying that HF is actually mafia?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 17:41 GMT

#4980

I'm so sad about getting NKed this evening. I'm finally starting to get into this game, now that is slow enough that I can read and consider everything

:-(

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 17:42 GMT

#4981

If the mafia could NK Onegu (provided he is actually town), that would be great.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 17:59 GMT

#4985

Okay the more I think about it, the more Onegu/HF makes sense.

The voting pattern on the last day makes no sense to me. We were 6-2 up until the end. We ended up 5-3 but I don't think Damdred's vote is alignment indicative at all, because I might have switched too if I hadn't been in dota at the same time.

If HF is town and Onegu is town then the Mafia all last minute switch to Onegu and win (it's the most recent person to get to an even score, right?). So at least one of them is Mafia for sure.

More later, meeting friends.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 18:57 GMT

#4987

Yes, there's no way that HF are both town. Otherwise the scum vote switch and town loses.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 18:58 GMT

#4989

Onegu and HF..

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 20:11 GMT

#4992

You can't do meta reads on Onegu. He just plays like a troll. It's super easy to play like he does - never contribute anything - as either alignment. I think he's too concerned with playing to his meta, and I plan to lynch him d1 in the next game we play together, come what may.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 20:11 GMT

#4993

On July 02 2015 04:19 ruXxar wrote:
Maybe...
I'm not really sure what to make of the push on onegu.
It did seem kind of artificial how they were yelling each others names so loudly and trying so hard.
It felt really forced in a way.

This.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 01 2015 22:19 GMT

#5005

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 03 2015 22:57 GMT

#5331

I honestly think I'd rather lose than win like HF won.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 03 2015 23:02 GMT

#5333

That's harsh. But this game left a bitter taste in my mouth.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 03 2015 23:08 GMT

#5338

He was rude and obnoxious to me for about 10 pages of filter.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 03 2015 23:10 GMT

#5340

Fair enough.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 03 2015 23:15 GMT

#5344

On July 04 2015 08:14 marvellosity wrote:

Show nested quote +

i mean i don't mean to be flippant or trite about it.

but emotionally destabilising / discrediting town members is a totally legit mafia strategy. if mafia can get town to tilt (without rulebreaking) then that's great for them.

edit: take it as a compliment, it meant he felt he needed to do that to you

I accept that. I'm still new, so give me a moment.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 04 2015 00:17 GMT

#5370

Who was Blazinghand?

Also - LS, why move to Damdred? I just don't understand

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 04 2015 01:35 GMT

#5381

@Onegu - do you not see that every game you pull that crap, you fuck town? Sure, you've solved both games you've been in that I've been in, but at the same time you've also never had enough cred to get your reads lynched. I'm urging you and begging you ... PLEASE stop. You're ruining games for people you're town with.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

July 04 2015 10:38 GMT

#5403

On July 04 2015 17:54 KelsierSC wrote:

Show nested quote +

you know he was mafia right and won the game?

I think you need to grow a thicker skin and stop complaining about game length and people being rude.

The early spam was a key reason why town lost.

Normal

Please or register to reply.

Mafia in the Himalayas

Completed

Ongoing

Upcoming