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a) picked something out at random and called it scummy for the sake of calling something scummy
b) made a false timeline of events
c) decided to ignore the actual reasons for the post and take the post of out context
d) negate his entire post by asking a redundant meta question
These reasons you picked from him to call him scum. I can see him coming from both perspectives regarding this
Town POV
(a) I can see a newbie looking at something that, for him, is scummy - someone displaying a self meta to call himself town. You saying that he did it just for the sake of calling something scummy is an interpretation of yours, but could not be his intention (nothing in his gameplay shows this - he actually voted you and pressured you)
(b) 60 pages in 24 hours can make you mix things when you are skimming through the thread. You've seen me doing that as town quite a few times.
(c) see point b
(d) what question is that?
Mafia POV
1) I think that it is weird that he says he skimmed through the topic but only payed attention in you and Kelsier. I don't see why a town would do that. More than that, he doesn't say much about Kelsier, the guy he payed more attention to. If he really skimmed the thread, I would expect the had an opinion on more proeminent players under discussion, like LS. This kind of disconnection sounds mafia to me.
2) Opening is mafia-ish, I expect townies to come to the thread and post whatever shit they want and keep going. He made an opening commenting someone's post (easier opening for mafia) + immediately peaced out. Why even bother posting?
That's all I have on him. I read him as mafia, but I disagree with all your points.
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On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you.
The bolded is complete WIFOM
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uhhhhhhhhhh are you batty or what?
it's NOT a town perspective to be told that you are wrong repeatedly and that was not how the post was made and he ignores it to still call me mafia and go back to afking (afking for long periods being his mafia meta btw), even if he thought this was scummy why did he not comment on you sheeping it at all since that would be far far far far far worse than me saying it AND THEN HE GIVES ME AN OUT IN HIS NEXT POST LOL
he wasn't skimming when making a case on me since you know you have to actually have posts in mind to make a case, if you are defending him saying he doesn't give a shit and rambled a case off the top of his head without thinking then guess what alignment does that more >_>
read the thread, he clearly states his entire post is useless if i actually do play to that meta because then he said i would be town so he basically already countered his entire post and only returned to continue doing pushing the SAME point -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.-
there's far more points than just that that i made
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i even made a nice little analogy for him with shirt colours and he still ignored it dude
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"i'll be back in 2 hours and talk about other people"
"im back 5 hours later to talk about that same point i raised despite you and everyone else correcting me"
"oh yeh cya"
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Okay I back and decided to filter dive HF since I said I would and on content he's town in my book despite me not liking his first two pages of his filter but don't lynch him Day 1 guys he better to lynch later like Day 3 or Day 4 when he shouldn't ever be alive based on reputation  (He normally Night 1d or Night 2d as town).The replaced guy actually looks pretty townie from what I looked at idk why BM would not post at all or play when he /confirmed but his replacement actually doing some stuff I adding him to the town pile for now.
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On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you.
People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_-
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On June 18 2015 11:23 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I back and decided to filter dive HF since I said I would and on content he's town in my book despite me not liking his first two pages of his filter but don't lynch him Day 1 guys he better to lynch later like Day 3 or Day 4 when he shouldn't ever be alive based on reputation (He normally Night 1d or Night 2d as town).The replaced guy actually looks pretty townie from what I looked at idk why BM would not post at all or play when he /confirmed but his replacement actually doing some stuff I adding him to the town pile for now.
um you realise the new guy has made like one post?
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On June 18 2015 10:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 09:57 Lohengramm wrote:On June 17 2015 07:19 NydusHerMain wrote:
"My fucking vt claim"
Just feels like really awkward phrasing. Doesn't feel genuine, kinda like he's missing a couple of words. I feel like this is pretty awful On June 17 2015 07:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't like kelsier either. Stupid thing to go on rofl. I think that if I saw someone else post what I did I'd be like "great that doesn't really mean anything. Let's move on" haha at least he realizes he's awful On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little. feels off the tone of his posting is to trollish. as town he seems more dickish and tryhard. no like. this is what I have so far you guys deal with it Rayn pls
Why go smurf hunt if the guy is a smurf esp given what happened in our last game? This seems confusing because Bugs did this on to you last game and now you doing this? Very odd.
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On June 18 2015 11:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 11:23 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I back and decided to filter dive HF since I said I would and on content he's town in my book despite me not liking his first two pages of his filter but don't lynch him Day 1 guys he better to lynch later like Day 3 or Day 4 when he shouldn't ever be alive based on reputation (He normally Night 1d or Night 2d as town).The replaced guy actually looks pretty townie from what I looked at idk why BM would not post at all or play when he /confirmed but his replacement actually doing some stuff I adding him to the town pile for now. um you realise the new guy has made like one post?
He posted 6 times but his content I like it a lot myself hence why I town reading him.
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Currently reading, on page 50, but wanted to post this before I lose my train of thought:
Rsoul - People talk about me making up excuses but check her filter she has quite a few
+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 21:52 rsoultin wrote:
Hate phone posting @.@ gah On June 18 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:34 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:28 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target Thoughts on Shockeyy so far? Later. If you're impatient read my filter You think scum from what I read in your filter O_o Didn't like his list post, agree with damdy that town generally does the fuck off type posting though, so scumlean but not the most interesting person in the thread to me presently Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game? Dude i'm on my phone. You know i'm going to want to follow up in the thrwas that was posted in. This has to wait until I get home tonight On June 18 2015 02:51 rsoultin wrote:
Meh I give up lol I suck at phone posting
That should have said admitted to skimming the thread. I'll post tonight when I don't have.to.fight the phone
Also can't.keep up.with the thread
At nhm...don't give a damn go away On June 18 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote:
lol that's all well and good
phone
posting
wait
sides XP I'm not getring lynched this game
2-3 of the ppl on me don't even want to lynch me today, so you can take.your threats somewhere else If I were posting from my phone, I wouldn't use it as an excuse to ignore things. If you hate it so much, then stop trying to do anything on your phone and using it as an excuse to spam up the thread and create yourself a larger filter to go through. On June 18 2015 01:06 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 13:40 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 17 2015 13:37 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 13:34 Holyflare wrote:On June 17 2015 13:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 13:26 Holyflare wrote:
yes but the fact the game started without him being replaced means he had to have confirmed his pm in like the last 30 mins before the game started and then just did nothing
... lol that's a good point, i didn't think about the confirmation timing and you say i did nothing with my vote -.- 3 Bill Murray + Show Spoiler +4 ritoky - probably not just uneasy buddy wordz 5 ShoCkeyy - maybe not, seems kind of new but not read the database of 5 games or w/e 6 Onegu 10 Fidei86 12 Mig + Show Spoiler +13 GlowingBear - hahahahaha not read anything he wrote <3 14 LightningStrike - aprehensive, probably not 16 VayneAuthority 17 boxerfred super duper awesome lazy would lynch list of lazyness, GO! hey >> not a mind reader lol nh take fidei off otherwise...ignoring your spoilered ones presently...the unspoilered ones are fine with me otherwise so, putting this out here on the chance that oneg is being especially lazy as town...if you give me nothing to read you by i'll assume this is the scum game you chose to break meta with <3 You made a point in saying that the majority of your reads are based on meta. If Onegu, according to your meta read, is town when he's inactive (because he supposedly doesn't like playing as town), why would this be the game where you break your meta read on him now when you're holding onto your metareads on other people? nice catch bro GB I'm disappointed. You sounded like you wanted to come out and play but you didn't, and now you're doing dumb shit like voting random lurkers. Are you scum again? Wanted to bring this up again.
GB - This vote is extremely weird (even tho it's not really a vote, why even mention it?)
+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:
##Vote: VayneAuthority
On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA? On June 18 2015 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:57 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
and my read on him is not a "too dumb to be scum" thing which falls into the same category as what I described. It is dumb, but you need to ignore the fact that it is a dumb play. Dumb plays are normally not alignment indicative. It's the fact that the play attracts attention that is important. A claim day 1 attracts too much attention to ever be made by scum. Scum counter claim and make claims in situations where they absolutely have to in order to win. When they don't they've usually made a huge mistake and they often get punished really hard for it. If LS were scum here he'd know that a fake claim on day 1 would cause him to take a lot of attention and he'd never do that because his style is to slide by without actually doing anything or taking any attention.
To call him scum for a play that is quite literally antithetical to his playstyle is quite possibly dumber than the play he did himself. What if I say that claiming a blue role with little pressure is his scum meta? If you're saying that you are truly terrible as town. He didn't do that last game and I didn't see him do that in the games that I read. If he has done it as scum before then it's probably complete coincidence, because the claim itself is not alignment indicative. I don't know how many different ways I can say this but surface-level things are not indicators of anything. Stop using them in shitty ways to confirm your own biases. Thanks, I was looking for this answer. VA, I want to lynch you by a PoE tbh. I'm trying to see what people think of you. Then GB completely backs off.
NHM - Great post by him, definitely can see him coming from a town perspective, other than his read on me which severely lacks a case against me, yet votes for me because others are.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:06 NydusHerMain wrote: Ye Grande Ole Town CircleLightningStrike - I don't personally see you as particularly towny but I'm sure you've been spewed by now. People are giving you town reads like candy and so many people are saying that your scum meta is so weak that I'll trust them. At least one of the people reading you town for the meta has to be town. HolyFlare - For the reasons I mentioned before, I think that his early play was so calm and I guess kinda suicidal that I don't think he's scum for it. I think that what he did is something that people could see as scum really easily and being an experienced player, I don't think that he would do that as scum. He wasn't really building cases, OMGUSing, etc. and I feel like under pressure he would've tried to do more of that if he was scum. Looks like bored town to me slowly turning into a scum hunting butterfly. He's also paying attention to time stamps and stuff which I like. Breshke - Kind of feels like he's coming from a towny perspective? I liked his earlier posting with his soft/hard defense of bugs, not so much his last bit. Feels like he's paying attention to detail and trying to construct a decent town circle even though I don't agree with some of them I like his reasoning for it. Only thing to mention here is that I think he might be tip toeing around giving a read on RS. Would be interesting to see RS's flip and see what kind of interaction we can gather from them. Either way, he's not my lynch for today. Vayne - I wish he gave a good reason for calling Damdred scum but I'm townreading him for not giving a read on Damdred at all. He gave like 3 scum reads and 2 of them were practically AFK. I asked him for his reasoning for including Damdred scum because not only did he stick out in that list, I had him as scum as well. He said he didn't really have a reason and that most people were just AFK reads. I think that as scum, your best way to blend in with town is to give substantiation behind your reads and to have people you call super town or super mafia, etc. The way he's posting kind of feels like to me that he is genuinely trying to make a town circle in his head (though his posts reeks of him only skimming and not paying attention to detail). Doesn't feel like a mafia trying to fabricate reads. KelsierSC - Straight up his interaction with me when we were talking about Onegu was very towny imo. I think that most people would've called my push on Onegu as weak and bad, even if Onegu ends up being scum, because even I thought that my reason for thinking that Onegu was scummy was kind of weak and I tried to get us back on track of finding actual reasons for calling people scum. Kelsier went a bit deeper and found what I think was a pretty good reason as to why Onegu could've done what he did as scum, way better than mine but off of what I posted. Also, his response here was really sick and sounded town to me. (I HAVE A FEELING I'M GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS READ AGAIN BECAUSE GRAMMAR)GlowingBear - I had a bad feeling about him before but honestly, I think that if he was scum, he'd stick to his probably town read on me and wouldn't flip on it so easily after like two posts. It's going to stay in the back of my mind because I don't think the flip to me being neutral felt natural but meh it's a small thing. Otherwise, he's been really putting himself out there in terms of what all of his reads are and he's at least been interacting with me and trying to see how I think about some of him reads. For example, I asked him about his read on Onegu as scum and he changed that and then he proceeded to ask me why I didn't comment about his other scum read which, to be honest, was also a weak reason in the same vein as his scum read on Onegu. Seems like he's a little hesitant to push on anyone but I'll give him a town read for today. Those are my towns at the moment. I have a couple of leaning town but I can't really explain them really well. Most of it is just tone. Similarly, a lot of my scum are lurkers and I'm willing to lynch almost anyone with less than 1 page of filter (except Vayne) but the main people I want to look at that have posted so far are Damdred and Shockey. Damdred - I don't think that Damdred is bringing on the fire that he I expected him bring. I think that as town, he's more likely to be annoyed that people are calling him scum and would ask people specifically as people call him scummy why they think so. ESPECIALLY when most people aren't explaining why they think he's mafia. Wouldn't that infuriate him if he was town? I think he's trying to avoid it because he isn't really under much heat and he can just avoid getting voted on by not really addressing it since most people will probably forget they have him as scum. Shockey - I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. Oh fuck I forgot. Boxerfred gives me bad vibes too but I'll say it in another post. This WoT is probably becoming unreadable. ##Vote: Shockey On June 18 2015 02:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
Shockey is also pretty defensive (I wouldn't say super defensive) and doesn't really seem to be scum hunting. It's hard to scum hunt D1 opening though. It makes things much easier once there is a lot of posts (there was more than 30 since I last posted).
LS - Obvious scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target Thoughts on Shockeyy so far? Completely starts trying to take away any suspicions on himself and tries to attack the inactive player (me) atm. On June 18 2015 07:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred can you help defend me from meanie KSC and HF please? Also HF this game is going full GoT I don't want it go full GoT T_T Stop asking for other players help to defend you. You should be defending yourself, you have no case against me. You just thought it would be the easiest because I've barely posted. On June 18 2015 07:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Also everyone go after Shockeyy please he should flip scum I also willing to switch Boxer if a Shockeyy lynch not going to happen. Continue to attack me while I'm not even around? GJ. This post shows why LS is scum - he's willing to throw his "case" against me away to jump on a train that won't allow him to be lynched.
Will be posting a follow up after I'm completely updated on the thread. My LS read made me go into his filter which might have a few quotes past the current page I'm on, but those posts about me are just disgusting.
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On June 18 2015 11:46 ShoCkeyy wrote:Currently reading, on page 50, but wanted to post this before I lose my train of thought: Rsoul - People talk about me making up excuses but check her filter she has quite a few + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 21:52 rsoultin wrote:
Hate phone posting @.@ gah On June 18 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:34 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:28 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target Thoughts on Shockeyy so far? Later. If you're impatient read my filter You think scum from what I read in your filter O_o Didn't like his list post, agree with damdy that town generally does the fuck off type posting though, so scumlean but not the most interesting person in the thread to me presently Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game? Dude i'm on my phone. You know i'm going to want to follow up in the thrwas that was posted in. This has to wait until I get home tonight On June 18 2015 02:51 rsoultin wrote:
Meh I give up lol I suck at phone posting
That should have said admitted to skimming the thread. I'll post tonight when I don't have.to.fight the phone
Also can't.keep up.with the thread
At nhm...don't give a damn go away On June 18 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote:
lol that's all well and good
phone
posting
wait
sides XP I'm not getring lynched this game
2-3 of the ppl on me don't even want to lynch me today, so you can take.your threats somewhere else If I were posting from my phone, I wouldn't use it as an excuse to ignore things. If you hate it so much, then stop trying to do anything on your phone and using it as an excuse to spam up the thread and create yourself a larger filter to go through. On June 18 2015 01:06 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 13:40 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 17 2015 13:37 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 13:34 Holyflare wrote:On June 17 2015 13:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 13:26 Holyflare wrote:
yes but the fact the game started without him being replaced means he had to have confirmed his pm in like the last 30 mins before the game started and then just did nothing
... lol that's a good point, i didn't think about the confirmation timing and you say i did nothing with my vote -.- 3 Bill Murray + Show Spoiler +4 ritoky - probably not just uneasy buddy wordz 5 ShoCkeyy - maybe not, seems kind of new but not read the database of 5 games or w/e 6 Onegu 10 Fidei86 12 Mig + Show Spoiler +13 GlowingBear - hahahahaha not read anything he wrote <3 14 LightningStrike - aprehensive, probably not 16 VayneAuthority 17 boxerfred super duper awesome lazy would lynch list of lazyness, GO! hey >> not a mind reader lol nh take fidei off otherwise...ignoring your spoilered ones presently...the unspoilered ones are fine with me otherwise so, putting this out here on the chance that oneg is being especially lazy as town...if you give me nothing to read you by i'll assume this is the scum game you chose to break meta with <3 You made a point in saying that the majority of your reads are based on meta. If Onegu, according to your meta read, is town when he's inactive (because he supposedly doesn't like playing as town), why would this be the game where you break your meta read on him now when you're holding onto your metareads on other people? nice catch bro GB I'm disappointed. You sounded like you wanted to come out and play but you didn't, and now you're doing dumb shit like voting random lurkers. Are you scum again? Wanted to bring this up again. GB - This vote is extremely weird (even tho it's not really a vote, why even mention it?) + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:
##Vote: VayneAuthority
On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA? On June 18 2015 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:57 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
and my read on him is not a "too dumb to be scum" thing which falls into the same category as what I described. It is dumb, but you need to ignore the fact that it is a dumb play. Dumb plays are normally not alignment indicative. It's the fact that the play attracts attention that is important. A claim day 1 attracts too much attention to ever be made by scum. Scum counter claim and make claims in situations where they absolutely have to in order to win. When they don't they've usually made a huge mistake and they often get punished really hard for it. If LS were scum here he'd know that a fake claim on day 1 would cause him to take a lot of attention and he'd never do that because his style is to slide by without actually doing anything or taking any attention.
To call him scum for a play that is quite literally antithetical to his playstyle is quite possibly dumber than the play he did himself. What if I say that claiming a blue role with little pressure is his scum meta? If you're saying that you are truly terrible as town. He didn't do that last game and I didn't see him do that in the games that I read. If he has done it as scum before then it's probably complete coincidence, because the claim itself is not alignment indicative. I don't know how many different ways I can say this but surface-level things are not indicators of anything. Stop using them in shitty ways to confirm your own biases. Thanks, I was looking for this answer. VA, I want to lynch you by a PoE tbh. I'm trying to see what people think of you. Then GB completely backs off. NHM - Great post by him, definitely can see him coming from a town perspective, other than his read on me which severely lacks a case against me, yet votes for me because others are. + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:06 NydusHerMain wrote: Ye Grande Ole Town CircleLightningStrike - I don't personally see you as particularly towny but I'm sure you've been spewed by now. People are giving you town reads like candy and so many people are saying that your scum meta is so weak that I'll trust them. At least one of the people reading you town for the meta has to be town. HolyFlare - For the reasons I mentioned before, I think that his early play was so calm and I guess kinda suicidal that I don't think he's scum for it. I think that what he did is something that people could see as scum really easily and being an experienced player, I don't think that he would do that as scum. He wasn't really building cases, OMGUSing, etc. and I feel like under pressure he would've tried to do more of that if he was scum. Looks like bored town to me slowly turning into a scum hunting butterfly. He's also paying attention to time stamps and stuff which I like. Breshke - Kind of feels like he's coming from a towny perspective? I liked his earlier posting with his soft/hard defense of bugs, not so much his last bit. Feels like he's paying attention to detail and trying to construct a decent town circle even though I don't agree with some of them I like his reasoning for it. Only thing to mention here is that I think he might be tip toeing around giving a read on RS. Would be interesting to see RS's flip and see what kind of interaction we can gather from them. Either way, he's not my lynch for today. Vayne - I wish he gave a good reason for calling Damdred scum but I'm townreading him for not giving a read on Damdred at all. He gave like 3 scum reads and 2 of them were practically AFK. I asked him for his reasoning for including Damdred scum because not only did he stick out in that list, I had him as scum as well. He said he didn't really have a reason and that most people were just AFK reads. I think that as scum, your best way to blend in with town is to give substantiation behind your reads and to have people you call super town or super mafia, etc. The way he's posting kind of feels like to me that he is genuinely trying to make a town circle in his head (though his posts reeks of him only skimming and not paying attention to detail). Doesn't feel like a mafia trying to fabricate reads. KelsierSC - Straight up his interaction with me when we were talking about Onegu was very towny imo. I think that most people would've called my push on Onegu as weak and bad, even if Onegu ends up being scum, because even I thought that my reason for thinking that Onegu was scummy was kind of weak and I tried to get us back on track of finding actual reasons for calling people scum. Kelsier went a bit deeper and found what I think was a pretty good reason as to why Onegu could've done what he did as scum, way better than mine but off of what I posted. Also, his response here was really sick and sounded town to me. (I HAVE A FEELING I'M GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS READ AGAIN BECAUSE GRAMMAR)GlowingBear - I had a bad feeling about him before but honestly, I think that if he was scum, he'd stick to his probably town read on me and wouldn't flip on it so easily after like two posts. It's going to stay in the back of my mind because I don't think the flip to me being neutral felt natural but meh it's a small thing. Otherwise, he's been really putting himself out there in terms of what all of his reads are and he's at least been interacting with me and trying to see how I think about some of him reads. For example, I asked him about his read on Onegu as scum and he changed that and then he proceeded to ask me why I didn't comment about his other scum read which, to be honest, was also a weak reason in the same vein as his scum read on Onegu. Seems like he's a little hesitant to push on anyone but I'll give him a town read for today. Those are my towns at the moment. I have a couple of leaning town but I can't really explain them really well. Most of it is just tone. Similarly, a lot of my scum are lurkers and I'm willing to lynch almost anyone with less than 1 page of filter (except Vayne) but the main people I want to look at that have posted so far are Damdred and Shockey. Damdred - I don't think that Damdred is bringing on the fire that he I expected him bring. I think that as town, he's more likely to be annoyed that people are calling him scum and would ask people specifically as people call him scummy why they think so. ESPECIALLY when most people aren't explaining why they think he's mafia. Wouldn't that infuriate him if he was town? I think he's trying to avoid it because he isn't really under much heat and he can just avoid getting voted on by not really addressing it since most people will probably forget they have him as scum. Shockey - I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. Oh fuck I forgot. Boxerfred gives me bad vibes too but I'll say it in another post. This WoT is probably becoming unreadable. ##Vote: Shockey On June 18 2015 02:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
Shockey is also pretty defensive (I wouldn't say super defensive) and doesn't really seem to be scum hunting. It's hard to scum hunt D1 opening though. It makes things much easier once there is a lot of posts (there was more than 30 since I last posted). LS - Obvious scum. + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target Thoughts on Shockeyy so far? Completely starts trying to take away any suspicions on himself and tries to attack the inactive player (me) atm. On June 18 2015 07:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred can you help defend me from meanie KSC and HF please? Also HF this game is going full GoT I don't want it go full GoT T_T Stop asking for other players help to defend you. You should be defending yourself, you have no case against me. You just thought it would be the easiest because I've barely posted. On June 18 2015 07:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Also everyone go after Shockeyy please he should flip scum I also willing to switch Boxer if a Shockeyy lynch not going to happen. Continue to attack me while I'm not even around? GJ. This post shows why LS is scum - he's willing to throw his "case" against me away to jump on a train that won't allow him to be lynched. Will be posting a follow up after I'm completely updated on the thread. My LS read made me go into his filter which might have a few quotes past the current page I'm on, but those posts about me are just disgusting.
I seen town attack scum while they weren't around either? (Refering to Marv attacking rsoultin Day 4 I think that got rsoultin to concede) btw I am a named VT so suck it 
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On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O
On day 1? We haven't even had a night post and didn't Onegu claim VT too? So we then have two VT's? Which one is it?
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On June 18 2015 11:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:What you mean this? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O On day 1? We haven't even had a night post and didn't Onegu claim VT too? So we then have two VT's? Which one is it?
I said named VT (Blue VT)
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On June 18 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 11:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:What you mean this? On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O On day 1? We haven't even had a night post and didn't Onegu claim VT too? So we then have two VT's? Which one is it? I said named VT (Blue VT)
As in I claimed Named VT because I am Named VT.
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On June 18 2015 11:46 ShoCkeyy wrote:Currently reading, on page 50, but wanted to post this before I lose my train of thought: Rsoul - People talk about me making up excuses but check her filter she has quite a few + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 21:52 rsoultin wrote:
Hate phone posting @.@ gah On June 18 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:34 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:28 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target Thoughts on Shockeyy so far? Later. If you're impatient read my filter You think scum from what I read in your filter O_o Didn't like his list post, agree with damdy that town generally does the fuck off type posting though, so scumlean but not the most interesting person in the thread to me presently Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game? Dude i'm on my phone. You know i'm going to want to follow up in the thrwas that was posted in. This has to wait until I get home tonight On June 18 2015 02:51 rsoultin wrote:
Meh I give up lol I suck at phone posting
That should have said admitted to skimming the thread. I'll post tonight when I don't have.to.fight the phone
Also can't.keep up.with the thread
At nhm...don't give a damn go away On June 18 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote:
lol that's all well and good
phone
posting
wait
sides XP I'm not getring lynched this game
2-3 of the ppl on me don't even want to lynch me today, so you can take.your threats somewhere else If I were posting from my phone, I wouldn't use it as an excuse to ignore things. If you hate it so much, then stop trying to do anything on your phone and using it as an excuse to spam up the thread and create yourself a larger filter to go through. On June 18 2015 01:06 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 13:40 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 17 2015 13:37 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 13:34 Holyflare wrote:On June 17 2015 13:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 13:26 Holyflare wrote:
yes but the fact the game started without him being replaced means he had to have confirmed his pm in like the last 30 mins before the game started and then just did nothing
... lol that's a good point, i didn't think about the confirmation timing and you say i did nothing with my vote -.- 3 Bill Murray + Show Spoiler +4 ritoky - probably not just uneasy buddy wordz 5 ShoCkeyy - maybe not, seems kind of new but not read the database of 5 games or w/e 6 Onegu 10 Fidei86 12 Mig + Show Spoiler +13 GlowingBear - hahahahaha not read anything he wrote <3 14 LightningStrike - aprehensive, probably not 16 VayneAuthority 17 boxerfred super duper awesome lazy would lynch list of lazyness, GO! hey >> not a mind reader lol nh take fidei off otherwise...ignoring your spoilered ones presently...the unspoilered ones are fine with me otherwise so, putting this out here on the chance that oneg is being especially lazy as town...if you give me nothing to read you by i'll assume this is the scum game you chose to break meta with <3 You made a point in saying that the majority of your reads are based on meta. If Onegu, according to your meta read, is town when he's inactive (because he supposedly doesn't like playing as town), why would this be the game where you break your meta read on him now when you're holding onto your metareads on other people? nice catch bro GB I'm disappointed. You sounded like you wanted to come out and play but you didn't, and now you're doing dumb shit like voting random lurkers. Are you scum again? Wanted to bring this up again. GB - This vote is extremely weird (even tho it's not really a vote, why even mention it?) + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:
##Vote: VayneAuthority
On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA? On June 18 2015 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:57 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
and my read on him is not a "too dumb to be scum" thing which falls into the same category as what I described. It is dumb, but you need to ignore the fact that it is a dumb play. Dumb plays are normally not alignment indicative. It's the fact that the play attracts attention that is important. A claim day 1 attracts too much attention to ever be made by scum. Scum counter claim and make claims in situations where they absolutely have to in order to win. When they don't they've usually made a huge mistake and they often get punished really hard for it. If LS were scum here he'd know that a fake claim on day 1 would cause him to take a lot of attention and he'd never do that because his style is to slide by without actually doing anything or taking any attention.
To call him scum for a play that is quite literally antithetical to his playstyle is quite possibly dumber than the play he did himself. What if I say that claiming a blue role with little pressure is his scum meta? If you're saying that you are truly terrible as town. He didn't do that last game and I didn't see him do that in the games that I read. If he has done it as scum before then it's probably complete coincidence, because the claim itself is not alignment indicative. I don't know how many different ways I can say this but surface-level things are not indicators of anything. Stop using them in shitty ways to confirm your own biases. Thanks, I was looking for this answer. VA, I want to lynch you by a PoE tbh. I'm trying to see what people think of you. Then GB completely backs off. NHM - Great post by him, definitely can see him coming from a town perspective, other than his read on me which severely lacks a case against me, yet votes for me because others are. + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:06 NydusHerMain wrote: Ye Grande Ole Town CircleLightningStrike - I don't personally see you as particularly towny but I'm sure you've been spewed by now. People are giving you town reads like candy and so many people are saying that your scum meta is so weak that I'll trust them. At least one of the people reading you town for the meta has to be town. HolyFlare - For the reasons I mentioned before, I think that his early play was so calm and I guess kinda suicidal that I don't think he's scum for it. I think that what he did is something that people could see as scum really easily and being an experienced player, I don't think that he would do that as scum. He wasn't really building cases, OMGUSing, etc. and I feel like under pressure he would've tried to do more of that if he was scum. Looks like bored town to me slowly turning into a scum hunting butterfly. He's also paying attention to time stamps and stuff which I like. Breshke - Kind of feels like he's coming from a towny perspective? I liked his earlier posting with his soft/hard defense of bugs, not so much his last bit. Feels like he's paying attention to detail and trying to construct a decent town circle even though I don't agree with some of them I like his reasoning for it. Only thing to mention here is that I think he might be tip toeing around giving a read on RS. Would be interesting to see RS's flip and see what kind of interaction we can gather from them. Either way, he's not my lynch for today. Vayne - I wish he gave a good reason for calling Damdred scum but I'm townreading him for not giving a read on Damdred at all. He gave like 3 scum reads and 2 of them were practically AFK. I asked him for his reasoning for including Damdred scum because not only did he stick out in that list, I had him as scum as well. He said he didn't really have a reason and that most people were just AFK reads. I think that as scum, your best way to blend in with town is to give substantiation behind your reads and to have people you call super town or super mafia, etc. The way he's posting kind of feels like to me that he is genuinely trying to make a town circle in his head (though his posts reeks of him only skimming and not paying attention to detail). Doesn't feel like a mafia trying to fabricate reads. KelsierSC - Straight up his interaction with me when we were talking about Onegu was very towny imo. I think that most people would've called my push on Onegu as weak and bad, even if Onegu ends up being scum, because even I thought that my reason for thinking that Onegu was scummy was kind of weak and I tried to get us back on track of finding actual reasons for calling people scum. Kelsier went a bit deeper and found what I think was a pretty good reason as to why Onegu could've done what he did as scum, way better than mine but off of what I posted. Also, his response here was really sick and sounded town to me. (I HAVE A FEELING I'M GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS READ AGAIN BECAUSE GRAMMAR)GlowingBear - I had a bad feeling about him before but honestly, I think that if he was scum, he'd stick to his probably town read on me and wouldn't flip on it so easily after like two posts. It's going to stay in the back of my mind because I don't think the flip to me being neutral felt natural but meh it's a small thing. Otherwise, he's been really putting himself out there in terms of what all of his reads are and he's at least been interacting with me and trying to see how I think about some of him reads. For example, I asked him about his read on Onegu as scum and he changed that and then he proceeded to ask me why I didn't comment about his other scum read which, to be honest, was also a weak reason in the same vein as his scum read on Onegu. Seems like he's a little hesitant to push on anyone but I'll give him a town read for today. Those are my towns at the moment. I have a couple of leaning town but I can't really explain them really well. Most of it is just tone. Similarly, a lot of my scum are lurkers and I'm willing to lynch almost anyone with less than 1 page of filter (except Vayne) but the main people I want to look at that have posted so far are Damdred and Shockey. Damdred - I don't think that Damdred is bringing on the fire that he I expected him bring. I think that as town, he's more likely to be annoyed that people are calling him scum and would ask people specifically as people call him scummy why they think so. ESPECIALLY when most people aren't explaining why they think he's mafia. Wouldn't that infuriate him if he was town? I think he's trying to avoid it because he isn't really under much heat and he can just avoid getting voted on by not really addressing it since most people will probably forget they have him as scum. Shockey - I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. Oh fuck I forgot. Boxerfred gives me bad vibes too but I'll say it in another post. This WoT is probably becoming unreadable. ##Vote: Shockey On June 18 2015 02:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
Shockey is also pretty defensive (I wouldn't say super defensive) and doesn't really seem to be scum hunting. It's hard to scum hunt D1 opening though. It makes things much easier once there is a lot of posts (there was more than 30 since I last posted). LS - Obvious scum. + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target Thoughts on Shockeyy so far? Completely starts trying to take away any suspicions on himself and tries to attack the inactive player (me) atm. On June 18 2015 07:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred can you help defend me from meanie KSC and HF please? Also HF this game is going full GoT I don't want it go full GoT T_T Stop asking for other players help to defend you. You should be defending yourself, you have no case against me. You just thought it would be the easiest because I've barely posted. On June 18 2015 07:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Also everyone go after Shockeyy please he should flip scum I also willing to switch Boxer if a Shockeyy lynch not going to happen. Continue to attack me while I'm not even around? GJ. This post shows why LS is scum - he's willing to throw his "case" against me away to jump on a train that won't allow him to be lynched. Will be posting a follow up after I'm completely updated on the thread. My LS read made me go into his filter which might have a few quotes past the current page I'm on, but those posts about me are just disgusting.
Some thoughts have changed since the continuation of reading the thread. Will give final thoughts in a bit.
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On June 18 2015 11:53 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 11:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:What you mean this? On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O On day 1? We haven't even had a night post and didn't Onegu claim VT too? So we then have two VT's? Which one is it? I said named VT (Blue VT) As in I claimed Named VT because I am Named VT.
Lol, that shit isn't working on me.
On June 18 2015 04:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
and my read on him is not a "too dumb to be scum" thing which falls into the same category as what I described. It is dumb, but you need to ignore the fact that it is a dumb play. Dumb plays are normally not alignment indicative. It's the fact that the play attracts attention that is important. A claim day 1 attracts too much attention to ever be made by scum. Scum counter claim and make claims in situations where they absolutely have to in order to win. When they don't they've usually made a huge mistake and they often get punished really hard for it. If LS were scum here he'd know that a fake claim on day 1 would cause him to take a lot of attention and he'd never do that because his style is to slide by without actually doing anything or taking any attention.
To call him scum for a play that is quite literally antithetical to his playstyle is quite possibly dumber than the play he did himself. What if I say that claiming a blue role with little pressure is his scum meta?
On June 18 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:40 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too You would rather lynch a blue. You idiot......................... DON'T LYNCH BLUES BRO OR YOU WILL LOSE............. claiming blue under no lynch pressure day 1 is almost as anti-town as being mafia.....just sayin.
JUST SAYIN
On June 18 2015 05:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:55 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 05:53 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 05:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 05:48 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote:
FYI I Never had claimed blue as scum before simple as that for the counter point to GB said I had claimed blue as scum before -_- On June 17 2015 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
My fucking VT claim. I really think HtS RNG machine is broken... Have rolled VT in everyone of her games... Sorry that VT claim wont fly you already cashed in on that in XXX so nice try you must prove to us that you are town other than a VT claim :o derp What those two posts you quoted for when you said derp? LS: "i never claim blue as scum" Onegu: "i only claim VT as town" see it now? choppa 4 reveals. Onegu had claimed VT as scum too? I never had claimed blue as scum and I know I not scum this game but rather a named VT. Jesus. You're literally making the same argument to defend yourself that you discredited early in the game. For many games Onegu only claimed VT as town, then guess what? He broke the trend. Wow! Hey look your defense sux cuz logic. Also dunno why you're even defending yourself if you're actually blue.
Then you don't even reply to that, but you reply to KSC voting you and disappear once again. You disappeared when there was clearly a discussion going on about you between, holyflare, KSC, bugs, GB and VA on pages 53,54. 30 minute different? It seemed like you were clearly around.
Because you only responded with this
On June 18 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote:
FYI I Never had claimed blue as scum before simple as that for the counter point to GB said I had claimed blue as scum before -_-
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On June 18 2015 06:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out. And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? I don't got anything original sorry  Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red. What happened to this On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything. you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up?? you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now? when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same. I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff.
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On June 18 2015 11:26 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you. People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_-
Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed.
Talk about other stuff
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