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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 00:42 GMT
#1261
Looking over Mig's filter, I'm giving him quite a strong town read. In the last game ritoky was constantly posting his thoughts on what people were posting, even if it was just "I don't like that for this particular reason". I usually found those reasons pretty spot on (especially his TT read, which I wish I'd carried further than I did). Ritoky got NKed and flipped town. I get a very similar vibe from what Mig is doing here - he has picked out patterns that everyone else seems to have missed, but look very insightful. His late entry into the thread is slightly offputting, but overall it seems like a bad idea to me to lynch someone on D1 who, if they're town, are likely going to be a real asset.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 00:47 GMT
#1262
HF, why Mafia would choose especially you to pick on?
I'm adorable.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 18 2015 00:50 GMT
#1263
On June 18 2015 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
HF, why Mafia would choose especially you to pick on?


what a crap question

he has no idea who i am
Lohengramm
Profile Joined June 2015
43 Posts
June 18 2015 00:54 GMT
#1264
i started reading but then I stopped

how useful is actually reading this game, exactly?

60 pages seems overkill for 24 hours LOL
Lohengramm
Profile Joined June 2015
43 Posts
June 18 2015 00:55 GMT
#1265
actually no, I'm going to read this game

after I decide who to lynch
Lohengramm
Profile Joined June 2015
43 Posts
June 18 2015 00:57 GMT
#1266
On June 17 2015 07:19 NydusHerMain wrote:
"My fucking vt claim"

Just feels like really awkward phrasing. Doesn't feel genuine, kinda like he's missing a couple of words.

I feel like this is pretty awful

On June 17 2015 07:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't like kelsier either. Stupid thing to go on rofl. I think that if I saw someone else post what I did I'd be like "great that doesn't really mean anything. Let's move on" haha


at least he realizes he's awful

On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD

Probs town
LS
Nydus

Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu

Yeah. This little.


feels off

the tone of his posting is to trollish. as town he seems more dickish and tryhard. no like.

this is what I have so far

you guys deal with it
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 18 2015 00:59 GMT
#1267
On June 18 2015 09:54 Lohengramm wrote:
i started reading but then I stopped

how useful is actually reading this game, exactly?

60 pages seems overkill for 24 hours LOL


I just got home from climbing. I left off at page 50 and I'm pretty much skipping to this page for a bit until I feel like reading but I'd skip anything I wrote in terms of Onegu and any discussion/interaction regarding it and I'd skip bugs and RS fighting.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 18 2015 01:03 GMT
#1268
Breshke - So his first substantive post is here, and it makes absolutely no sense to me. What LS wrote is about as NAI as I've seen in mafia. Saying you've rolled town is what everyone would say, if asked. Saying it unprompted doesn't mean anything - some people who prefer town might want to revel in it, whereas scum might use it as a tool to start subconsciously planting the idea that they're town. Basically the post gives me no "townie feelings" whatsoever, and I'm not sure why Breshke would say it did. He then gives a soft-town meta read on LS, (which we should think about for later, because it could be a deflect).

I really hate this. He starts off by saying something pretty nasty about WBG (that he is self-important), and he says it in a snide offhand way. Moreover, the whole post just seems to amble around in search of a point, without ever finding one, and concluding that he does not have a read.

His final set of posts are all just asking questions of people. I don't think this is necessarily bad play (and I guess I'm not one to talk about bad play ^^), but it feels kind of lazy - particularly because people in the thread haven't been very good at actually answering questions. It's sort of a good way to look like you're town, without actually saying anything, IN PARTICULAR because he never then follows up on any of his questions with follow-ups. It looks like pure filter-filler to me.

I do agree with him that the rso/WBG fight was tedious as fuck.

All his three "would lynch" candidates were mostly AFK, so they were pretty non-controversial. That's not really AI though, because I kinda agree that town is better off lynching lurkers who don't contribute, rather than someone who some people read as scum but who is posting consistently.

His final two posts show a little more leg, but feel a bit light. Ritoky was right, I think, his reasons for his rsoult/WBG read was really lacking. However, I also agree with Ritoky that his response was honest, if not very impressive. If he was mafia, I would have expected him to protest a little more. Then again, if he felt he was caught in a trap, he might have recognised the best thing to do was move on.

Finally, I should say that I HATE posts that are just "I don't like this". Scott did it all last game and he was town, but TT also did it and he was mafia. So it's not AI, but at the same time it's just annoying and it clutters up the thread. Say why you don't like something, or don't say anything at all.

After all that, I give him a null read. Maybe on the slight scum side, only because he has been so reactive.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 01:10 GMT
#1269
On June 18 2015 09:57 Lohengramm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 07:19 NydusHerMain wrote:
"My fucking vt claim"

Just feels like really awkward phrasing. Doesn't feel genuine, kinda like he's missing a couple of words.

I feel like this is pretty awful

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 07:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't like kelsier either. Stupid thing to go on rofl. I think that if I saw someone else post what I did I'd be like "great that doesn't really mean anything. Let's move on" haha


at least he realizes he's awful

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD

Probs town
LS
Nydus

Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu

Yeah. This little.


feels off

the tone of his posting is to trollish. as town he seems more dickish and tryhard. no like.

this is what I have so far

you guys deal with it


Rayn pls
I'm adorable.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 18 2015 01:16 GMT
#1270
On June 18 2015 09:59 NydusHerMain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 09:54 Lohengramm wrote:
i started reading but then I stopped

how useful is actually reading this game, exactly?

60 pages seems overkill for 24 hours LOL


I just got home from climbing. I left off at page 50 and I'm pretty much skipping to this page for a bit until I feel like reading but I'd skip anything I wrote in terms of Onegu and any discussion/interaction regarding it and I'd skip bugs and RS fighting.


aw come now, maybe that case is worth something lololol >< (the interaction certainly isn't)

another fight you can safely skip is where hf and i argue with each other over both scumreading bf -_-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 18 2015 01:32 GMT
#1271
Day 1 Vote Count


ShoCkeyy (2): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSC
boxerfred (2): Holyflare, GlowingBear
LightningStrike (2): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC
rsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflare
Holyflare (1): boxerfred
KelsierSC (1): wherebugsgo
Onegu (0): NydusHerMain
wherebugsgo (0): KelsierSC
Mig (0): wherebugsgo
Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority
Not voted (8): rsoultin, Lohengramm, ritoky, ShoCkeyy, Damdred, Fidei86, Breshke, Mig

Clinging to the ledge, ShoCkeyy hangs over the abyss.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.

Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 01:33 GMT
#1272
On June 18 2015 09:50 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
HF, why Mafia would choose especially you to pick on?


what a crap question

he has no idea who i am


Doesn't he? I think you're a well known veteran player. He even says that.

Anyway, different question: why does his filter fits better a mafia perspective than a townie? Why does it can come from a newbie townie?
I'm adorable.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 18 2015 01:39 GMT
#1273
@Shockey

I don't have a problem with you not having that much time to play but when you have a read that is the oppisite to the thread I find it not townie that when you are around you don't try to discuss this read and either work out if you are wrong or try and convince people they are wrong.

On June 17 2015 23:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Nah, people are talking about having lurkers post more and LS even said he wish I would post more. Either way, we still are on day 1, there still a lot of time to build a case and gather better reads. I'm not to worried about coming off as scum atm, cause when I lay the hammer, people will see how serious I am about winning for town.



When i first read this it felt really genuine but on re read "lay the hammer" is really awkward wording and feels forced. I don't agree with damdreds thing on shockey ebcause when shockey said "do you think this has any value" or whateve i don't think he was calling damdred scum more like is this useful to talk about.

Would also still lynch BF because of the HF stuff. Although im fairly sure it is based off a misunderstanding but that doesn't really make me think it is not scummy because it shows that BF most likely went into it wanting to scum HF.

I could be wrong tell me if I am but yeah so BF says that HF knows his own meta so can't use it to defend himself or whatever but this was never actually what happend. What actually happened was that rsoul said "this is your meta you arn't doing this" and then HF said "no this is actually my meta i am doing this". While still kind of using his meta in defense he wasn't the first to bring it up so he isn't saying he is town because he is following his meta he is saying rsouls accusation is bullshit.

@BF can you tell me if what i wrote above changes your views on anything i get i didn't express it very well
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 18 2015 01:42 GMT
#1274
I could be wrong tell me if I am but yeah so BF says that HF knows his own meta so can't use it to defend himself or whatever but this was never actually what happend. What actually happened was that rsoul said "this is your meta you arn't doing this" and then HF said "no this is actually my meta i am doing this". While still kind of using his meta in defense he wasn't the first to bring it up so he isn't saying he is town because he is following his meta he is saying rsouls accusation is bullshit.


i've made that quite clear to him about 5 times and he ignored it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 18 2015 01:44 GMT
#1275
and gb i think it's largely irrelevant who he chose to push but since i wasn't particularly playing the game that much and have a style of spammy one lines it's easier to fit into a mafia narrative like he tried to do while conveniently ignoring everything i wrote
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 18 2015 01:45 GMT
#1276
i'm still waiting for YOUR read, i've made it quite clear what i think about bf multiple times and obviously weighed up the different sides of the argument so you're effectively wasting time at this point
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 18 2015 01:49 GMT
#1277
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 10:03 Fidei86 wrote:
Breshke - So his first substantive post is here, and it makes absolutely no sense to me. What LS wrote is about as NAI as I've seen in mafia. Saying you've rolled town is what everyone would say, if asked. Saying it unprompted doesn't mean anything - some people who prefer town might want to revel in it, whereas scum might use it as a tool to start subconsciously planting the idea that they're town. Basically the post gives me no "townie feelings" whatsoever, and I'm not sure why Breshke would say it did. He then gives a soft-town meta read on LS, (which we should think about for later, because it could be a deflect).

I really hate this. He starts off by saying something pretty nasty about WBG (that he is self-important), and he says it in a snide offhand way. Moreover, the whole post just seems to amble around in search of a point, without ever finding one, and concluding that he does not have a read.

His final set of posts are all just asking questions of people. I don't think this is necessarily bad play (and I guess I'm not one to talk about bad play ^^), but it feels kind of lazy - particularly because people in the thread haven't been very good at actually answering questions. It's sort of a good way to look like you're town, without actually saying anything, IN PARTICULAR because he never then follows up on any of his questions with follow-ups. It looks like pure filter-filler to me.

I do agree with him that the rso/WBG fight was tedious as fuck.

All his three "would lynch" candidates were mostly AFK, so they were pretty non-controversial. That's not really AI though, because I kinda agree that town is better off lynching lurkers who don't contribute, rather than someone who some people read as scum but who is posting consistently.

His final two posts show a little more leg, but feel a bit light. Ritoky was right, I think, his reasons for his rsoult/WBG read was really lacking. However, I also agree with Ritoky that his response was honest, if not very impressive. If he was mafia, I would have expected him to protest a little more. Then again, if he felt he was caught in a trap, he might have recognised the best thing to do was move on.

Finally, I should say that I HATE posts that are just "I don't like this". Scott did it all last game and he was town, but TT also did it and he was mafia. So it's not AI, but at the same time it's just annoying and it clutters up the thread. Say why you don't like something, or don't say anything at all.

After all that, I give him a null read. Maybe on the slight scum side, only because he has been so reactive.


The first thing about LS was early so yeah generally it is pretty baseless. I still think it shows some townie mindset because the way he refers to bugs came off as really upfront to me and was far to obvious if he was trying to actually buddy bugs. It has nothing to do with him saying I am town.

The bugs thing is a misunderstanding. Feel free to get bugs to confirm this but I didn't intend it to be snide nor do i think he took it that way. In our last game bugs said he was 90% sure he was better than me as scum (which he deffs is) which made me think he rated himself highly as a scum player. So when he said he is a 5/10 scum player it didn't make sense to me. Also the point of that post was to stop BUGS from going at it with GB which I did not think would be useful for the thread because it would have been about Bugs thinking GB was bad not scum.

Don't have much tto say about anything else you said but the i don't like this stuff is bad yeah if ive been doing it ill try stop and just come out with the reason right away
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 18 2015 01:53 GMT
#1278
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.

Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 18 2015 01:54 GMT
#1279
On June 18 2015 10:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
I could be wrong tell me if I am but yeah so BF says that HF knows his own meta so can't use it to defend himself or whatever but this was never actually what happend. What actually happened was that rsoul said "this is your meta you arn't doing this" and then HF said "no this is actually my meta i am doing this". While still kind of using his meta in defense he wasn't the first to bring it up so he isn't saying he is town because he is following his meta he is saying rsouls accusation is bullshit.


i've made that quite clear to him about 5 times and he ignored it


I thought I would try one more time. Also im doing this

##Vote Boxerfred
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 02:04 GMT
#1280
On June 18 2015 09:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 09:34 Holyflare wrote:
yeh you haven't said shit about bf other than his first post so there's that


ARGH

FINE, I'LL DO SHIT

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