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On June 30 2015 12:36 ruXxar wrote:
If it was up to me I'd lynch them both today.
I lean slightly more towards onegu for total lack of rational thought process.
Like he makes some weird ass statements I don't understand at all.
Like saying you have TMI.
Saying you claimed red.
Saying he voted on gb because he wanted to consolidate.
Tunneling you all game for no fucking reason, just because he has a personal vendetta against you?
Then when you are actually green checked he makes up hilariously unlikely scenarios to fit his world.
Not one solid read out of that guy and afk all game?
Fuck that, I'm done.
you saying he's mafia and getting annoyed that he's playing like mafia? 
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote:
Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end.
Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play.
The only reason you want to lynch me is the red check and you think everyone is deflecting off of me and a lot of people are calling me town. You know what that means? That I'm overwhelmingly likely to be town.
If you think I'm mafia you have to explain away the mig motive that i posted last page where he outs 2 mafia for 1 potential mislynch instead of the far more likely scenario of 2 solid mislynches.
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On June 30 2015 23:19 Fidei86 wrote:
That's not how I read what happened. GB came out and said he had a red check on you and an inference check on Mig. Mig wasn't in any way "outing" you when he spoke out later on - you were already in the firing line. What Mig did eventually led to us ML'ing the cop, which surely has to be worth it from a mafia perspective (the votes on Mig and you split, as you'll recall).
@Ruxx I say we lynch HF, then Damdred, and then whoever's left can decide whether or not the last lynch is Shockkey or Onegu. I'll be long dead by that point anyway.
No, that's not what happened. GB was definitely saying we should switch to Mig. He even asked me to switch to Mig. I was not going to die that day (even though I wanted to). The only reason people wanted to lynch me was because they were not sure whether GB's check was real or not and lynching me would lead to the most information, you're even a mason with the person that was saying that so I have no idea how you can get the wrong end of the events on this one:
On June 25 2015 02:39 rsoultin wrote:
I really really have a problem with flipping someone I believe is town just for info
Eh, but I can see the lynch me argument now so we're not still here in mylo
Mig was going to die. If he dies it's -1 mafia. If GB dies it's "oh look GB was cop and so the red check was legit and mig is confirmed mafia, 2 free mafia!!!!" If Mig's cc fails then it's -2 mafia FOR 0 MISLYNCHES. That is not a worthwhile trade ever
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why on earth do you think that this is the likeliest case???????
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On June 30 2015 23:38 Fidei86 wrote:
Because it's not actually what happened? What happened was that we ML'ed the cop. Mafia (as you will know, being one yourself) just want to delay out the game. The mafia then got the chance to NK the jailkeeper and rsoult (who was our best player left), rather than the one NK they would have had before Mig flipped. That's a HUGE win for the mafia.
And obviously Mig flipping doesn't doom you, since you're STILL here and I'm STILL having to convince everyone to lynch you.
how is that not what happened!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I'm STILL here because we lynched the 100% mafia cc'd mig, no other reason and now you want to lynch me for the red check WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. Mig ccing gb and revealing gb to be the actual cop stops people doubting whether gb is the cop or not and makes them focus solely on the red check. Mig's "play" to get the cop lynched and survived is THE LEAST effective route to have taken ever if we're both mafia!??!?!
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like i don't get it, absolutely NOTHING in this game points to me being mafia. The nk's make me very likely not mafia, the lynches make me very likely not mafia. Mafia's own play makes me not very likely mafia, my own play makes me so incredibly town it actually hurts that you won't even compare my mafia games to my town games. The ONLY reason you are lynching me is because of the red check which is the SHITTEST play you can possibly imagine.
Your town reads all think i'm town but the red check. Onegu and Damdred think I am town even with the red check. LS thinks i'm town even with the red check. All of these people have experience playing with me and they say you are wrong. Rsoultin even thought I was town the ENTIRE game. The only reason that you want to lynch me now is because you are scared of being wrong and are being stubborn but the fact of the matter is that lynching me now is the WORST move you can possibly do.
I absolutely destroy mafia in lylo's and that will continue to happen this game if i'm left alive another cycle or two. You are the CONFIRMED town and you are doing practically shit all to evaluate or re-evaluate people for their play. WIFOM is not an effective tool to play the game and you will lose more than you win playing like that. Mafia are very very likely to kill me if i shit town even more than i am and you are the only person to not realise that.
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On July 01 2015 00:36 Fidei86 wrote:
HF - I don't need to convince you that you are mafia, I need to convince everyone else.
Everyone else - we have a RED CHECK from the CONFIRMED COP on HF. If you are town and you're not sure who to vote for, that should be more than enough for you. Don't let HF's consistent insistence that he is town fool you.
There are a plethora of games where people have been red checked and they were town. Pick a new angle since it's not working. You don't need to convince me no but I NEED to convince you. I am town, there is nothing that's going to change that. You yelling that there is a red check when everyone and their mother knows there is a red check is not going to change anything. People still know i'm town. There's no 2 ways about it. Being red checked means absolutely nothing.
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On July 01 2015 00:39 Fidei86 wrote:
Also HF - I am the one who actually had access to rsoult's QT. So I think people can trust me when I say that rsoult was leaning scum on you, and was happy to lynch you.
and when was this? That is quite clearly at the end of last night and that's only because she was being argued against for her shitty nk wifom point of view which was and still is wrong, there's plenty evidence in the thread which points to her town reading me
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On June 27 2015 23:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2015 23:13 Damdred wrote:On June 27 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
Damdred I want to ask you:
What specifically about Shockey don't you like?
Could you give me a couple sentences to understand a bit how you're thinking?
I want your own take on it.
Besides shockey, who are you suspicious off? Missed the last question Would have to be a mix of va, you, hf, oneg. Its not that I don't totally disbelieve va claim, I don't want to th I non k about balance yet though, but it's possible,he's fake claiming with mig but Idk yet. Hf is sorta a dick this game coups be scum...but red check meh Idk. Oneg is oneg My scumreads are between you and Onegu. You talk about me being inactive, but you yourself were inactive this whole game to or do you seem to forget? LS even said it, this has been my most active game in the whole database, I want you to tell me why I can be scum? Your previous scum games are so similar to this game too.
On June 29 2015 10:02 Onegu wrote:
Dont be terrible HF. I think you are town but you are being bad. Im not only reading LS scum but ruxxar also.
On June 28 2015 09:45 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing. What about this game screams hf is the best scum player ever if he's scum.
Having his team mate sacrifice himself,for a cop during the game,and getting himself lynched next.
Super weird kills?
It just doesn't look right for a hf scuk
On June 28 2015 07:35 NydusHerMain wrote:
I'm not going to lie, I'm town reading HF lightly but since we're in triple LyLo and he's red checked, I feel like he's coin to get lynched anyways. Should we just do it now?
On June 29 2015 12:39 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2015 12:36 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 29 2015 12:34 LightningStrike wrote:
I been here I was just observing Nydus and you together HF and commented on a small detail regarding Mig and Shockeyy. What are your thoughts so far, Kinda torn I think you are town and content wise I do think HF is town but there was a red check on him and GB did say he had a green check on me. so (Shrugs) out of my tinfoil theory he could be a Miller. I can some of his arguments about the stuff regarding you but I think you are town.
On June 30 2015 09:58 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 09:18 Holyflare wrote:
GB makes a play that reveals that Mig is mafia. Mig would have definitely died that day instead of me, especially when the 2 masons were on him and pushing for his lynch over mine. If he didn't die that day and I died (free mislynch for mafia) mafia then need to kill the cop/the jk/2 masons and whatever else there is there.
Look at this from a mafia perspective.
Mig does not counter claim and I get mislynched. Mig would die if I flipped miller the next day without a doubt in my mind.
1 mislynch, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 4 blue roles with 1kp each night, don't know who jk is either
Mig does not counter claim and he dies. Mig dies, GB needs to be killed at night but might get saved, I get mislynched the next day, mafia don't have a role cop to find out who the jker is.
1 POTENTIAL mislynch, mig 100% dies, need to kill 4 blue roles and they don't know who jker is
If mig counter claims, GB dies - 3 blues needed to be killed with 1kp each night - Mig 100% dies the next day, cop is revealed as true and holyflare gets lynched because of it as ANOTHER mislynch
2 mislynches, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 3 blue roles with 1kp each night, mybe jk claims and they know who it is
If both me and mig are mafia and he cc's gb
1 POTENTIAL mislynch, BOTH ME AND MIG DIE when gb flips cop since mig is revealed from trap and i have been red checked, 3 more blues to find and potentially a jker outs or doesn't out
1 POTENTIAL mislynch, -2 mafia, potentially find out who jker is if they out themselves or use role cop
1 mislynch, -1 mafia, gb confirmed cop and maybe doesn't die and they need to medic dodge +1 confirmed
1 POTENTIAL mislynch
2 mislynches, -1 mafia, only 3 blues to kill and jker found
which one do you think mafia takes? the one where they kill 2 of their team mates for 1 potential mislynch play on gb or the one where they get 2 mislynches in both me and gb and perhaps out the jker? I think it's quite obvious I would not allow the shit play to happen 10/10 times if I was mafia because it's fucking dumb When you put it like this it sort of makes sense. Hmm hmm hmm hmm.... .... ...
^^^^^ thinks it's correct still wants to lynch me anyway
the point is everyone in this game but you fidei reads me as town, there is an age old heuristic that whenever people read me as town unanimously then I am more than likely town, you can see how everyone in this game town reads me but they keep defaulting to "oh hf is a red check" that's the key suspicion that should set alarm bells off for you, you don't think i'm town so it's not the same but these people think i am town and are judging the thread consensus to push the mislynch on me if it gets to the point where i stop fighting or it becomes easy to lynch me, these people are very likely mafia and are keeping all of their options open
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On July 01 2015 00:48 NydusHerMain wrote:
I'm just scared rofl. If hf is town, he's going to berate me, and if he's mafia, RS and gb are going to berate me. Who's louder?
I will never ever let anyone live in peace if they mislynch me this game while calling me town just because they believe in the wifom. NEVER. EVER.
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the red check is the wifom
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it's your job as the confirmed town to read my alignment and you aren't doing that and are placing your vote in a place that will instantly lose the game
it's not just the alive people that you think are misguided, all of the nk's were town reading me and going for the people i wanted to lynch
why do you assume everyone in this entire game was misguide and instead it's not you that is misguided?
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On July 01 2015 00:56 NydusHerMain wrote:Do I not know the full definition of wifom...
"the red check could mean hf is mafia!"
"the red check might mean hf is miller!"
"what if mafia framed him and he's town!"
"i'm going to pick one of these stances arbitrarily against my own read"
you picking wifom instead of the logic of your reads from the game
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i've been trying to figure shit out that's why, i'm totally unsure
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if you ever use statistics in a game of mafia with me again i will hunt you down till the ends of the earth and berate you for eternity even after that
statistics have no place in a game of mafia, at all
if you play based on statistics you will lose 50% of your games
if you play based on statistics then you aren't playing the game of mafia
if you play based on statistics you will never be good
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ironically the one playing the most anti town and ignoring facts is the confirmed town ^^
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hey fidei, let's try an exercise, what leads you to believe i am mafia other than the red check
also, if there's anything that i've done this game that you are unsure about my motives please ask and i'll elaborate fully and cite my sources and fully back up why i did it
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ruxxar explain to me how when i post the logic behind mig's reactions you say "oh that's right" but then you still want to lynch me?????
that looks like the most mafia stance i've seen
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shockey hasn't given a stance on me this entire day
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^^^ keeping mislynch options open
*alarm bells*
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