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On June 25 2015 22:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 21:15 rsoultin wrote:On June 25 2015 14:13 Holyflare wrote:On June 25 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote:
mmm
the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...
like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:
rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer
of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there
so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)
or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1
...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly you realise that ruxxar was bugs right?????????????????? also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched? seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +I am town
I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else
Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum? HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL "I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game" "let's try and convince the person i'm not scum" i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES LOL spread more shit you fucker lie about onegu lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia lie about cop checks lie about scum reads lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED F-U-C-K-E-D also from the way things went down gb was ab solutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation No shit ruxx was bugs. Glad you're reading my whole post and actually care what I say and making arguments for it ^^ I cut out all the irrelevant wifom where you assume all the mafia are tied together through one play like some kind of shitty idiot team and instead picked the really likely obvious option. You know since mafia mig changed last second to save gb to clearly spread irrelevant suspicion it's no far reach to assume the nk's were for the same reason.
hey  if the shoe fits
no
i'm making very reasonable assumptions:
1. mig is mafia (cause he probably is and if he isn't the game's over after we lynch him, anyway, so unless someone has a good argument for why he's TOWN shut the fuck up)
2. mig did not expose himself needlessly to lynch one town over another, especially when having a TOWN holyflare out of the game by lynch has to be acceptable for pretty much any scumteam (because i don't think he's a complete fuck-up)
3. your reactions to both the original detective claim that went from LIAR!! to gb/mig practically confirmed town in an eye-blink, and then the tracker claim WHY WAIT SO LATE?! no, gb is scum scum scum anyway don't care how unrealistic this claim is
4. if you're dead-set on lynching gb, brilliant one, how is mig in danger again? that bullshit claim of his put him in more danger than just staying quiet and letting you be lynched. stop feeding me bullshit reasoning; i'm not a retard
so yes, you're tied in by association and shit, unrealistic reactions to claims. if i'm wrong and mig is town it doesn't fucking matter. and frankly, you have plenty of time to convince the other more gullible townies who actually will be here the day you're being considered for lynch, so stop wasting your time on me
the ruxxar reasoning has nothing to do with you. it is predicated on somehow mig KNEW who the jk saved AND the fact that it WAS the jk
you know what that means? that means that ASSUMING mig is scum which again all of this is irrelevant if he's not, mig knew specifically whether the JK saved the night kill or jailed the shot deliverer. how can he know that UNLESS the scum delivering the kp was some sort of scum power role, whose action either did or didn't go through?
no fucking way ruxxar is the nk with KELSIER who was obviously townie over you mr. town hero if you're really town, ritoky who was softing, or me. bugs was already out of the game and dead wrong and gonna push the shit out of gb besides
if scum is playing wifom games and not getting rid of good town players they don't kill kels
now, why don't you try to pretend you're town for a bit and actually consider what i'm saying about ruxx instead of just throwing shit at me every chance you get ^^
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read the part on ruxx nyd
if mig is scum he 100% knew WHICH of the two ends of the exchange (who was saved vs. who was doing the killing) was the one actually jailed. he can't possibly know that unless the one doing the killing had a secondary action that either WAS or WAS NOT interfered with so that he could narrow it down to ruxx
from there it's just how realistic is a NIGHT ONE RUXXAR night kill
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it's no offense to you, ruxx, really. i <3 you and i enjoyed coaching you. but you're just not a n1 kill unless the scum team is high or just like completely afk for when bugs gets replaced
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On June 26 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys I think I got a Tinfoil Hat Theory that can easily happen revolving me and HF: I might be the Unaware Miller who got Framed and HF is 100% Scum.
Explanation: Because the majority of the people in the game thought I was scum Night 1 Scum if they have a Framer(Which I am assuming in this scenario for my theory) they would Frame me and hope a Cop(GB) will check and will return me as a red check. But instead GB ended up with a Green Check on me so if Mafia did Frame me then I would be a Miller and HF is 100% scum since I doubt they would put 2 Millers and a Framer plus maybe a GF in the same setup and I don't think scum would Frame HF at all since they are worse looking townies in this game that mafia could easily Frame so HF since he returned as a red check will be 100% scum because of that.
pure speculation? there's like no way you can prove this ls lol >< why even say it?
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On June 26 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 02:58 rsoultin wrote:On June 25 2015 22:55 Holyflare wrote:On June 25 2015 21:15 rsoultin wrote:On June 25 2015 14:13 Holyflare wrote:On June 25 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote:
mmm
the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...
like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:
rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer
of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there
so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)
or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1
...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly you realise that ruxxar was bugs right?????????????????? also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched? seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +I am town
I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else
Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum? HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL "I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game" "let's try and convince the person i'm not scum" i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES LOL spread more shit you fucker lie about onegu lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia lie about cop checks lie about scum reads lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED F-U-C-K-E-D also from the way things went down gb was ab solutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation No shit ruxx was bugs. Glad you're reading my whole post and actually care what I say and making arguments for it ^^ I cut out all the irrelevant wifom where you assume all the mafia are tied together through one play like some kind of shitty idiot team and instead picked the really likely obvious option. You know since mafia mig changed last second to save gb to clearly spread irrelevant suspicion it's no far reach to assume the nk's were for the same reason. hey if the shoe fits no i'm making very reasonable assumptions: 1. mig is mafia (cause he probably is and if he isn't the game's over after we lynch him, anyway, so unless someone has a good argument for why he's TOWN shut the fuck up) 2. mig did not expose himself needlessly to lynch one town over another, especially when having a TOWN holyflare out of the game by lynch has to be acceptable for pretty much any scumteam (because i don't think he's a complete fuck-up) 3. your reactions to both the original detective claim that went from LIAR!! to gb/mig practically confirmed town in an eye-blink, and then the tracker claim WHY WAIT SO LATE?! no, gb is scum scum scum anyway don't care how unrealistic this claim is 4. if you're dead-set on lynching gb, brilliant one, how is mig in danger again? that bullshit claim of his put him in more danger than just staying quiet and letting you be lynched. stop feeding me bullshit reasoning; i'm not a retard so yes, you're tied in by association and shit, unrealistic reactions to claims. if i'm wrong and mig is town it doesn't fucking matter. and frankly, you have plenty of time to convince the other more gullible townies who actually will be here the day you're being considered for lynch, so stop wasting your time on me the ruxxar reasoning has nothing to do with you. it is predicated on somehow mig KNEW who the jk saved AND the fact that it WAS the jk you know what that means? that means that ASSUMING mig is scum which again all of this is irrelevant if he's not, mig knew specifically whether the JK saved the night kill or jailed the shot deliverer. how can he know that UNLESS the scum delivering the kp was some sort of scum power role, whose action either did or didn't go through? no fucking way ruxxar is the nk with KELSIER who was obviously townie over you mr. town hero if you're really town, ritoky who was softing, or me. bugs was already out of the game and dead wrong and gonna push the shit out of gb besides if scum is playing wifom games and not getting rid of good town players they don't kill kels now, why don't you try to pretend you're town for a bit and actually consider what i'm saying about ruxx instead of just throwing shit at me every chance you get ^^ Ugh did you realized that Bugs wasn't replaced when these actions happened? Bugs did look townie though in my eyes but he could of been pocketing me when he was around.
recheck the thread
i'll help you cause i'm not the sort of idiot who says these things without looking at it first
approximately page 130 was the beginning of day 2
approximately page 127...FOUR HOURS EARLIER...was when ruxxar replaced bugs
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lol just to remind people
even though ls had threatened to quit the game
hf guessed (and, granted, the conclusion COULD be drawn from bugs' last post, but how he was so sure i don't know) that it was actually bugs who was being replaced over ls, mig, yama...could that have been innocent. yes. but that he was so sure with all these afkers and your reaction not long before, ls, is very interesting to me
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anyway i'm at
mig/ruxx/hf/shockey <- post-game cred
outside chance of oneg
mig, ruxx, hf almost definitely scum...if i'm not here tomorrow and y'all don't lynch mig -_- well, there's not much i can do about it but you should be feeling my DISPLEASURE beating on all your heads the WHOLE TIME lol ><
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alright i'll try to explain this better
the jailkeeper both protects their target from shots AND roleblocks them
which means that if a shot doesn't go through scum CAN'T know if the jailkeeper SAVED their target or BLOCKED a scum member, UNLESS the scum member had a secondary action (say rolecop for the sake of this example) that also did not go through...it also could have gone through so they know that it was a save and not a block but essentially the scum member HAD to have a secondary action for mig to know who the jailkeeper targeted since he wasn't actually the tracker
also that secondary role COULD NOT have been roleblocker, because it wouldn't have interfered with a scum block
does that make sense?
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this doesn't mean 100% that ruxxar is scum
it does mean 100% that IF ruxxar is scum he has a role like rolecop/framer/etc. that they knew didn't go through
i say ruxxar is scum based on his reaction to mig's claim and the fact that i don't think he would EVER by the n1 night kill over several other players in the thread
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On June 26 2015 03:23 NydusHerMain wrote:
Ohhhhh so you're saying ruxxar could have had a secondary power as scum and jk role blocks so he's not out of the clear. How does that explain the missing second kp then? I don't think scum would show only 1 kp when they could knock out a towny or a roley
a scum power role can both carry kp AND perform their secondary action?
if it hits scum carrying kp, that is why the missing kp
assuming va and mig aren't scum together
ruxxar is definitely either the TARGET of scum kp or the DELIVERER
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i'm out, guys
mig/ruxx/hf/shock
maybe oneg
remember xP
oh and please don't ignore va if he's alive too much longer...i'd assume that was obvious but...eh...me assuming things are obvious leads to lynched cops over scummy tracker claims
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On June 26 2015 04:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 03:01 rsoultin wrote:
read the part on ruxx nyd
if mig is scum he 100% knew WHICH of the two ends of the exchange (who was saved vs. who was doing the killing) was the one actually jailed. he can't possibly know that unless the one doing the killing had a secondary action that either WAS or WAS NOT interfered with so that he could narrow it down to ruxx
from there it's just how realistic is a NIGHT ONE RUXXAR night kill I think you don't understand the word logic lol, if 2 people deliver kp and one of them goes through have a guess how you know who was saved. You don't need a power role to know that's a huge leap in confirmation bias. Mafia member x shoots town bugs = save Oh noes bugs must have been saved! Your wifom is crazy. Obviously a n1 ruxxar kill is not unlikely if the jailkeeper thought he was towny enough to save and like i said, the wifom argument i posed is far more realistic.
Incapable of reading english? Try again
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holyflare is aware of what a jk does and my english isn't so garbled that a native speaker can't decipher it
he's playing dumb ^^
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On June 26 2015 05:11 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 04:47 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2015 03:01 rsoultin wrote:
read the part on ruxx nyd
if mig is scum he 100% knew WHICH of the two ends of the exchange (who was saved vs. who was doing the killing) was the one actually jailed. he can't possibly know that unless the one doing the killing had a secondary action that either WAS or WAS NOT interfered with so that he could narrow it down to ruxx
from there it's just how realistic is a NIGHT ONE RUXXAR night kill I think you don't understand the word logic lol, if 2 people deliver kp and one of them goes through have a guess how you know who was saved. You don't need a power role to know that's a huge leap in confirmation bias. Mafia member x shoots town bugs = save Oh noes bugs must have been saved! Your wifom is crazy. Obviously a n1 ruxxar kill is not unlikely if the jailkeeper thought he was towny enough to save and like i said, the wifom argument i posed is far more realistic. RS is saying that the reason why there was 1 kp could also be because ruxxar can deliver his own personal kp and he was roleblocked so by JK so there was 1 kp.
no lol i'm saying he can deliver factional kp. a jk either saving scum's target or on the scum delivering the kp ends in the same result
the conjecture about that particular scum member having a role is just that...conjecture. solid conjecture but has nothing to do with the FACT
that if va jk'd ruxxar and there was no kill, that ruxxar can be the TARGET or the DELIVERER
hf knows this
he's playing dumb for god knows what purpose
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lol hf and confirmation bias after gb...that's rich xP
4 hours is plenty of time to notice a replacement unless the ENTIRE MAFIA TEAM is afk for that time
regardless, you know my opinion and no amount of hf saying that "the most likely scenario" is scum shot RUXXAR is going to make me think it's any more likely
and no you aren't reading
i said mig can't KNOW whether or not the TARGET of the kill was protected or the one CARRYING OUT the kill was blocked, UNLESS there was some other indicator (a second action) that either was or wasn't blocked. it means lovely with your reading comprehension problem trying to poke holes in something where there are none, that most likely the scum that delivered the kp was a role like rolecop
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no
for mafia to know whether it was scum who was blocked or the target who was saved, the deliverer of the MISSING kp had to have a special role
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On June 26 2015 06:16 Holyflare wrote:
Holy fucking shit you are actually retarded.
Shit afk mafia team mate delivers kp to wherebugsgo.
Wherebugsgo does not die.
Shit mafia team mate is never in a million years getting jailkeepered.
Case fucking closed. You can cry about my comprehension being shit all you want but the simple fact is you think that mafia got their towniest player to deliver the kp and risk getting rb'd which doesn't make a single bit of sense.
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lol and you are a fucking imbecile if you think that ruxxar is the mafia team's TOWNIEST player
you keep ignoring the fact that bugs was no longer in the game
you keep ignoring the fact that scum didn't know there was a jk in the game
you keep ignoring the fact that shooting bugs ANYWAY when the two of you are hard-tunneling gb cause of your god-damned CONFIRMATION BIAS is not as likely as you seem to think it is
towniest player my ass
he was being scumread by at least a few of us
AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RUXXAR
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On June 26 2015 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
You also keep throwing shit at ruxxar like he wasn't towny when he had posted once in the thread RIGHT BEFORE THE NIGHT DEADLINE.
You keep saying shit like ruxxar was scum read and he isn't towny but totally ignore bugs. Bugs is who you should focus on. Nobody else. Ruxxar made no posts.
lol nope
not gonna focus on bugs like an entire scumteam was afk 4 hours leading up to the day post
it's okay, scum. keep yelling nonsense 
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On June 26 2015 06:28 Holyflare wrote:
If the team is onegu/mig/damdred/shockey/ruxxar(bugs)/nydus
Who is their towniest player n1 likely to get saved? Please you actually don't think anything you write through and then just fling shit back at people that don't see it your wrong way.
VA is jk he thought bugs was the person to save therefore bugs was towny. End of discussion.
None of this makes any sense anyway because i don't think ruxxar is mafia and I'm not mafia and you keep making teams with both of us in it. So, shape up and find a better, correct team.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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On June 26 2015 06:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 06:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 26 2015 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
You also keep throwing shit at ruxxar like he wasn't towny when he had posted once in the thread RIGHT BEFORE THE NIGHT DEADLINE.
You keep saying shit like ruxxar was scum read and he isn't towny but totally ignore bugs. Bugs is who you should focus on. Nobody else. Ruxxar made no posts. lol nope not gonna focus on bugs like an entire scumteam was afk 4 hours leading up to the day post it's okay, scum. keep yelling nonsense How does it matter if the scum team were there if ruxxar had 0 posts. Stop skirting around the actual issue.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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