The totally indifferent attitude, only showing up to defend themselves or when something big happens. No interest in solving the game after we've requested multiple times that town should not stay silent if they do want to win.
In onegu I see a mess of logic that goes nowhere, it's like he's lost out on the prairies somewhere. Doesn't even read the thread or seem to comprehend where things are going.
In shockey I see wishy washyness, little activity, little will to solve the game, and statements that seem altered in posterity to make him look better.
Both of them seem super content in letting us dance our little dance of "who's mafia" without contributing and ounce unless they are in danger when they show up with their one liners, strawman defenses and whacky theories.
On July 01 2015 01:21 ruXxar wrote: I'm saying that it makes sense from a logical standpoint that the scenarios play out that way.
It doesn't erase the fact that you have a red-check on you. I'm probably never going to get past that.
However, as has been said, it's better to lynch the scummier targets first. And after delving more into onegu and shockey they have soared up as scummier targets in my mind.
so all logic and play dictates that i'm town and there have been multiple games where millers have been checked by cops and they don't get voted off or called mafia because of it but in this one game it's ok to forgo everything you think and follow it?
Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
On July 01 2015 01:21 ruXxar wrote: I'm saying that it makes sense from a logical standpoint that the scenarios play out that way.
It doesn't erase the fact that you have a red-check on you. I'm probably never going to get past that.
However, as has been said, it's better to lynch the scummier targets first. And after delving more into onegu and shockey they have soared up as scummier targets in my mind.
so all logic and play dictates that i'm town and there have been multiple games where millers have been checked by cops and they don't get voted off or called mafia because of it but in this one game it's ok to forgo everything you think and follow it?
is that what you're really saying to me?
Listen, this is only my second game play mafia on TL. I don't have this vast meta library of games to draw experience from in how likely or unlikely a miller is.
All I did was look at the 1st page, see the potential list roles, look at how many people are in the game, and determined that it by some arbitrary(yes) math and assumptions is a very low chance that the red check on you is false. By your own words you don't believe that you were framed. So the only chance is that you're miller.
However, this does not mean that all hope is lost for you, it just stacks it heavily in your favor.
Right now my scum list is in order :
Onegu Shockey You
This is momentary. It does not mean you are stuck on that list until the end of time. It means you are there until I find a 3rd person that by some arbitrary measure of my own would qualify as a more likely mafia than your red-check attributes to you. At the moment I haven't found that person yet.
What we have to face though, is that we HAVE to lynch scum today. I don't think people seem to realize the consequences of that just yet. Which is WHY i went through the effort of actually looking through Onegu's play, looking through Shockey's play and have determined that they are BETTER lynches than you today.
However if I'm alone in my stance, and we spread our votes, then mafia will vote switch and we lose anyway. So you see how I can't just go on my own and vote for my preferred scum.
rux since you scumread Shockeyy why not vote him with me right now? Pretty much all of the Night Killed Townies were scumreading him before they got killed including VA who shoulda been a auto kill on any team I think because VA did hard claimed Jailkeeper.
On July 01 2015 01:38 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
I don't like the fact that you're basing your townread on onegu off meta. I tried using that approach in my last game and it only ended up shooting me in the foot.
I'd rather lynch onegu than shockey at this point, but I feel better about a shockey lynch than a HF lynch. At least shockey showed up at said a couple words, even though I find it lackluster.
I want onegu to show up and defend himself so that I'll get convinced that he's a worse lynch than Shockey. If he doesn't show up I'll take that as an admission of guilt and hope to vote him out as #1 scum.
Why don't you join me in pressuring onegu to defend himself?
On July 01 2015 01:38 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
I don't like the fact that you're basing your townread on onegu off meta. I tried using that approach in my last game and it only ended up shooting me in the foot.
I'd rather lynch onegu than shockey at this point, but I feel better about a shockey lynch than a HF lynch. At least shockey showed up at said a couple words, even though I find it lackluster.
I want onegu to show up and defend himself so that I'll get convinced that he's a worse lynch than Shockey. If he doesn't show up I'll take that as an admission of guilt and hope to vote him out as #1 scum.
Why don't you join me in pressuring onegu to defend himself?
I not really town reading I was just saying what I remember based both reputation and past games I had played with him.
On July 01 2015 01:38 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
I don't like the fact that you're basing your townread on onegu off meta. I tried using that approach in my last game and it only ended up shooting me in the foot.
I'd rather lynch onegu than shockey at this point, but I feel better about a shockey lynch than a HF lynch. At least shockey showed up at said a couple words, even though I find it lackluster.
I want onegu to show up and defend himself so that I'll get convinced that he's a worse lynch than Shockey. If he doesn't show up I'll take that as an admission of guilt and hope to vote him out as #1 scum.
Why don't you join me in pressuring onegu to defend himself?
I not really town reading I was just saying what I remember based both reputation and past games I had played with him.
Also Onegu at least showed up better than Shockey I feel.
On July 01 2015 02:14 NydusHerMain wrote: Yeah I dunno Fidei... I feel most comfortable lynching shockey as much as I say that HF should die off red check
On July 01 2015 01:38 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
I don't like the fact that you're basing your townread on onegu off meta. I tried using that approach in my last game and it only ended up shooting me in the foot.
I'd rather lynch onegu than shockey at this point, but I feel better about a shockey lynch than a HF lynch. At least shockey showed up at said a couple words, even though I find it lackluster.
I want onegu to show up and defend himself so that I'll get convinced that he's a worse lynch than Shockey. If he doesn't show up I'll take that as an admission of guilt and hope to vote him out as #1 scum.
Why don't you join me in pressuring onegu to defend himself?
I not really town reading I was just saying what I remember based both reputation and past games I had played with him.
And maybe he's using this tactic again to make you think he's town? I mean, if you are mafia, what are the first thing you will try to do? You will try to play the same was as you did when you were town. So people will think, oh he played this way when he was town, now he's playing the same way == he must be town!. This is like the most basic way and easiest trick for mafia to look like town, and is why I don't like using meta for things like this.
You can't just say "Oh he played terrible in this other game, it's fine that he's playing terrible here too!". NO It's not fine to play terrible here even if you played terrible as town in another game. You need to step up and do your best. If you're not trying to help town win then I don't care about how towny your meta makes you look.
You're playing anti-town and you're not helping us win!
I'd switch to lynch Shockkey, if we can get four people together to do it. I still think HF is scum 100%, but there's no point having two votes parked on him if everyone else fractures.
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