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On June 20 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 14:48 rsoultin wrote:On June 20 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote:
meh mig is okayish to me now. he did some responding to me that i was more alright with than what i previously had been. so he is back to null for me. I hate his filter around eod His filter on EoD is okay if you consier his filter earlier. He actually REACTED to thread when he was online, something I fail to see on Fidei. You might tell me why Fidei is town instead of doing this "I shouldn't be telling why he is town" with Damdred, or I'll push him with all my might.
I don't respond to threats. You'd just annoy me doing this and he wouldn't be lynched anyway so let it go.
I think you just like that he didn't lynch you. What I don't like is how big a screws he appeared to have.on you while so little got him to switch to bf. It's incongruous.
That's what i'm talking about rit.
I can quote but it'sore of an overall thing? Mig came into the thread pushing gb and said he was scummy throughout. So the sudden switch makes little sense to me, not for so weak a reason
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On June 20 2015 15:10 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 14:48 rsoultin wrote:On June 20 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote:
meh mig is okayish to me now. he did some responding to me that i was more alright with than what i previously had been. so he is back to null for me. I hate his filter around eod His filter on EoD is okay if you consier his filter earlier. He actually REACTED to thread when he was online, something I fail to see on Fidei. You might tell me why Fidei is town instead of doing this "I shouldn't be telling why he is town" with Damdred, or I'll push him with all my might. I don't respond to threats. You'd just annoy me doing this and he wouldn't be lynched anyway so let it go. I think you just like that he didn't lynch you. What I don't like is how big a screws he appeared to have.on you while so little got him to switch to bf. It's incongruous. That's what i'm talking about rit. I can quote but it'sore of an overall thing? Mig came into the thread pushing gb and said he was scummy throughout. So the sudden switch makes little sense to me, not for so weak a reason
so you think GB is mafia then?
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cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive.
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GB why does shockeyy think ur town?
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On June 20 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:
cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive.
I know lol >< i'm tonereading gb town
Migs makes no sense to me though with the switch and it does suggest gb is mafia
I know town gb and scum mig doesn't really fit
Like obv gb is more polarizing so there's that but is it worth the attention? Prob not. Doesn't change that I don't get mug and he's prob mafia though
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On June 20 2015 15:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:
cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive. I know lol >< i'm tonereading gb town Migs makes no sense to me though with the switch and it does suggest gb is mafia I know town gb and scum mig doesn't really fit Like obv gb is more polarizing so there's that but is it worth the attention? Prob not. Doesn't change that I don't get mug and he's prob mafia though
that makes absolutely no sense....
you think a guy is mafia, he flips his read with low to mild amounts of justification to the opposing wagon, and logic shows that if he is mafia he probably did this to save a partner; yet you value your tone read higher?
wat?
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On June 20 2015 15:09 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 14:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 14:25 ritoky wrote:On June 20 2015 14:19 Breshke wrote:
Rit I agree shockey is scummy and I want to lynch him or Mig today if we arn't lynching GB
Can you explain why you don't want to lynch GB do you have him as town? Or do you just think shockey is scummier honestly i remember gb doing some townie shit and some scummy shit so his alignment is inconclusive to me. maybe he is scum cuz he keeps getting bogged down in stupid shit. i don't really give a damn. i see shockeyy and bugs' slot (now ruxxar) as scum. with the outside shot of LS. that's who i want to lynch and i want people to get on board. for bugs/ruxxar -> endless shit fighting into little production -> prompting shockeyy after afk implies QT -> ruxxar posts manufactured reads...didn't even know LS claimed a role even though it dominated 70 pages of the game. called LS calm and collected...just no..just no. if GB is still whiny after i get through those 2 and if damdred still hasn't posted more then i will go deal with those two. I'm not being whiny? I'm being reasonable regarding VA. ALl his reads were like "Glowingbear is using caps lock, scum. KSC is dead, glowingbear scum". VA is experienced in mafia. Do you think he would rely on these things to call me so? Let me ask you something: why would Mig, as mafia, hammer boxerfred instead of me? I have an idea but I want to hear from you first. is the mig thing directed at me? he would hammer town over you cuz you could be mafia? or cuz it was two town wagons and he wanted a wifom argument of "mafia would never hammer a town". fuck do i care about wifoming his motives? are VA's reads substantive? no. are they good? i don't know. is he okay with lynching shockeyy? yes. cool beans; let's lynch shockeyy. and yes you're being a bit whiny because every time someone calls you mafia you make a giant show of it. pretty sure nydus called me mafia, i told him i didn't give 2 shits about his read. pretty sure some1 else called me mafia and i ignored him. find scum and people will stop calling you mafia. start with shockeyy. you thought he was highly likely mafia earlier, why or why not now? if not who should i lynch over him and why?
For now I think you should lynch Fidei over him.
I'm not being whiny because people are calling me mafia, I'm being suspicious about the reasons people are calling me mafia for. I was suspicious of bugs, mainly. And I am suspicious of VA.
And I would also lynch VA over Shockey.
Basically, the way Shockey approached me at night felt really townie. Plus, his mafia play when we were together, he was completely different. Of course he could be self aware now but him coming to me and saying "hey, I think you might be town, let's try to work together. I am not mafia, please reconsider" sounded townie to me, and he did the same in witchcraft when I was mafia.
regarding this:
he would hammer town over you cuz you could be mafia? or cuz it was two town wagons and he wanted a wifom argument of "mafia would never hammer a town". fuck do i care about wifoming his motives?
Well, I'm town. He sees two town wagons. He decides to lynch boxer. Why not taking the easier path and lynching me, who he brought more suspicions before?
I think it would fit better a mafia mindset of survivability if he just lynched me. Nobody would be questioning him today. Why drawing so much attention as mafia?
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On June 20 2015 15:10 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 14:48 rsoultin wrote:On June 20 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote:
meh mig is okayish to me now. he did some responding to me that i was more alright with than what i previously had been. so he is back to null for me. I hate his filter around eod His filter on EoD is okay if you consier his filter earlier. He actually REACTED to thread when he was online, something I fail to see on Fidei. You might tell me why Fidei is town instead of doing this "I shouldn't be telling why he is town" with Damdred, or I'll push him with all my might. I don't respond to threats. You'd just annoy me doing this and he wouldn't be lynched anyway so let it go. I think you just like that he didn't lynch you. What I don't like is how big a screws he appeared to have.on you while so little got him to switch to bf. It's incongruous. That's what i'm talking about rit. I can quote but it'sore of an overall thing? Mig came into the thread pushing gb and said he was scummy throughout. So the sudden switch makes little sense to me, not for so weak a reason
You see, I just saw a scummy filter, and you and Damdred say that you don't want to lynch fidei ever without giving any reasoning. I could only presume you guys are masoned together.
But if you guys are masoned together I would find the lack of push on HF (who you already knew he claimed) bizarre.
So I can't understand why would you guys keep it a secret.
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On June 20 2015 15:21 ritoky wrote:
GB why does shockeyy think ur town?
I think this is something you should ask him?
Well, he scumread bugs, maybe it's associative?
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how is his approach to you townie GB? he was talking to you like he knew 100% you were confirmed town...
and then he promised a buncha shit and didn't deliver....that's not particular townie.
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i am kinda sketched out by rsoul thinking mig is mafia but not GB....that doesn't make a whole lot of sense in my pea sized brain.
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On June 20 2015 15:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, I'm town. He sees two town wagons. He decides to lynch boxer. Why not taking the easier path and lynching me, who he brought more suspicions before?
I think it would fit better a mafia mindset of survivability if he just lynched me. Nobody would be questioning him today. Why drawing so much attention as mafia?
On June 20 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:
cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive.
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On June 20 2015 16:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 15:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, I'm town. He sees two town wagons. He decides to lynch boxer. Why not taking the easier path and lynching me, who he brought more suspicions before?
I think it would fit better a mafia mindset of survivability if he just lynched me. Nobody would be questioning him today. Why drawing so much attention as mafia? Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:
cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive.
Yeah, I saw this after I posted. That's why I'm townreading him now
To be fair, I think mafia could've let me alive so they could mislynch me today, and that is what I thought Mig did when he voted boxerfred. But seeing that he ACTUALLY had suspicions on boxerfred, his vote made sense to me and this came clear to my mind.
About Shockey. Yeah, he talked to me like I was town. But he did vote someone else right? Maybe he had a townread on me?
Although he did vote me, putting me in majority...
Maybe I'm flattered  . I promise to filter dive him tomorrow as soon as I wake up to get a better read.
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So I went back and looked into more detail on the LS blue claim case.
So first off I want to say that I think it's really stupid to blue claim day 1.
He was not under any serious pressure, and it was way too early in the day to claim blue.
If he really is a blue, then he made himself an easy target for the mafia, I don't think you can get more anti town than that.
Why would he be so desperate to stay alive when he has such light pressure on him?
But considering he made it so lightly, mafia is not inclined to believe the claim either.
He made a move that both made town wary of starting a train on him day 1, and then mafia wouldn't believe the claim either and shoot him at night.
If you consider the circumstances, the only certain thing that can be said was that he made an excellent move from a survival standpoint.
From a mafia standpoint it doesn't make sense to draw that much attention to himself, because he would be a prominent lynch target later in the game.
It caused a long discussion and he basically turned into a question mark in everyone's mind.
Who would take him seriously after this?
Mafia wants to gain influence, framine targets by providing believable arguments.
LS just lost a significant portion of his power to do that with the blue claim.
I see stupid reasons to claim blue as town,
I see no reasons to claim blue as mafia.
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Town don't care about survival, mafia care about survival.
How can you say you see a good move from a survival standpoint but not a mafia standpoint when surviving is mafias wincon.
Could you make your next filter dive shockeyy please ruxxar.
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On June 20 2015 17:47 Breshke wrote:
Town don't care about survival, mafia care about survival.
How can you say you see a good move from a survival standpoint but not a mafia standpoint when surviving is mafias wincon.
Could you make your next filter dive shockeyy please ruxxar.
I'm going to do fidei first as I said, then I'll look into shockey.
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Analysis of fidei:
Tries to make early Contributions. Gets his opinions out there to stiumlate discussion.
Has an agenda of lynching inactive/non-contributing/anti town people day 1. Which I agree is a good idea in general.
Makes a good argument on post content.
Puts a lot of effort into filter dives and is able to formulate substantiated reads:
Shockey and BF
Mig
Breshke
Vaynes authority
Conclusions:
Most solid filter I've read so far.
I like how he's making few but solid posts.
Very little fluff, a lot of meat.
Very good effort in all his posts, seems very genuinely interested in contributing.
Answering questions, prodding people, making good reads.
Not afraid to put his opinion out there, opening himself to scrutiny.
This was a pretty easy conclusion.
Looks like a textbook example of town to me.
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Guys - I'm at ESL this weekend (Alliance already out  ). I will catch up on the thread this evening if I can, but that's why I've been quiet.
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On June 20 2015 15:33 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 15:23 rsoultin wrote:On June 20 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:
cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive. I know lol >< i'm tonereading gb town Migs makes no sense to me though with the switch and it does suggest gb is mafia I know town gb and scum mig doesn't really fit Like obv gb is more polarizing so there's that but is it worth the attention? Prob not. Doesn't change that I don't get mug and he's prob mafia though that makes absolutely no sense.... you think a guy is mafia, he flips his read with low to mild amounts of justification to the opposing wagon, and logic shows that if he is mafia he probably did this to save a partner; yet you value your tone read higher? wat?
No ritoky what i'm saying is mig is why i'm.soundings toneread thought that was pretty obvious
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On June 20 2015 20:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 15:33 ritoky wrote:On June 20 2015 15:23 rsoultin wrote:On June 20 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:
cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive. I know lol >< i'm tonereading gb town Migs makes no sense to me though with the switch and it does suggest gb is mafia I know town gb and scum mig doesn't really fit Like obv gb is more polarizing so there's that but is it worth the attention? Prob not. Doesn't change that I don't get mug and he's prob mafia though that makes absolutely no sense.... you think a guy is mafia, he flips his read with low to mild amounts of justification to the opposing wagon, and logic shows that if he is mafia he probably did this to save a partner; yet you value your tone read higher? wat? No ritoky what i'm saying is mig is why i'm.soundings toneread thought that was pretty obvious
That should say doubting my toneread damn autocorrect.
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