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On July 01 2015 02:12 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 02:06 ruXxar wrote:On July 01 2015 01:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today.
##Vote: ShoCkeyy I don't like the fact that you're basing your townread on onegu off meta. I tried using that approach in my last game and it only ended up shooting me in the foot. I'd rather lynch onegu than shockey at this point, but I feel better about a shockey lynch than a HF lynch. At least shockey showed up at said a couple words, even though I find it lackluster. I want onegu to show up and defend himself so that I'll get convinced that he's a worse lynch than Shockey. If he doesn't show up I'll take that as an admission of guilt and hope to vote him out as #1 scum. Why don't you join me in pressuring onegu to defend himself? I not really town reading I was just saying what I remember based both reputation and past games I had played with him.
And maybe he's using this tactic again to make you think he's town?
I mean, if you are mafia, what are the first thing you will try to do? You will try to play the same was as you did when you were town. So people will think, oh he played this way when he was town, now he's playing the same way == he must be town!.
This is like the most basic way and easiest trick for mafia to look like town, and is why I don't like using meta for things like this.
You can't just say "Oh he played terrible in this other game, it's fine that he's playing terrible here too!". NO
It's not fine to play terrible here even if you played terrible as town in another game.
You need to step up and do your best.
If you're not trying to help town win then I don't care about how towny your meta makes you look.
You're playing anti-town and you're not helping us win!
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I'm also good with a shockey lynch, but I really want to pressure onegu into defending himself.
Seems like that's not going to happen with current thread sentiment.
I'm going out a little bit.
I'll be back in a couple hours.
If onegu hasn't showed up by then and people still want to lynch shockey I'll join in.
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On July 01 2015 03:02 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On July 01 2015 02:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Onegu played exactly the same way as this in HG and he was town then too. no he plays like that every game and you don't really know what makes the difference between town onegu or mafia onegu Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. I am playing now so suck it. Also why does scum onegu not push you today? Like HF can never read me. Since we were in newbies together. @RuXxar Why do I need to defend myself at this point we are still 4 hours from lynch and I am not dieing. And like your only reason for scum reading me is I am not doing anything... Well guess what I am now so your arguement is void. Damdred is being dumb/mafia because he knows for a fact I am willing to vote with my tunneled scum read as town. Also ruXxar the point about you making people look worse, you did it with VA and me right as you came in the game. Shockky because onegu rule. And also knowing my meta and thinking this is my scum play.
I need you to actually do something at all, because basically this is ALL that you gameplan encompasses:
1. Be afk.
2. Show up when people accuse you.
3. Be afk.
4. Show up to vote.
5. Be afk.
And you showing up here and saying "I'm here" doesnt mean that you are ACTUALLY doing something!
Yes I analyzed you as I came into the game and your filter looked like shit.
Guess what? It still does.
You're going to call me scum for scumreading you? Really?
You even KNEW that you looked like scum, so why do you hold that against me?
On June 21 2015 12:13 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 12:05 LightningStrike wrote:
ruXxar since you are here I think you should take a look at Onegu I want a outsider perspective from someone who never played with him before and tell me your thoughts on him please. This is so bad. Like obv people who never played with me will see me as anti town and you know it. So why ask someone who never played with me their thoughts?
You don't WANT people to read you because you know you're going to look like scum?
What kind of mentality is that?
It's like you're shying away from contact with the outside world, but as soon as someone even hints at you being scum you come out claws first and start an OMGUS train against them.
You are even aware, as you make abundantly clear in the above post, that your play looks like scum.
So tell me this:
If you are town, playing in a game trying to win. Why the hell would you continue to play in a way that makes people perceive you as scum?!
1: It gives you no credit. Your opinion isn't going to be worth anything if people don't think you're town.
2: It makes it easy for scum to mislynch you.
3: You make it incredibly hard for town when you get down to a LYLO situation and you've provided basically 0 content that supports you as town.
Do you know how incredibly stupid way of playing that is?
If you are town, and you are playing like this in all your town games, I don't even want to play with you anymore, because honestly you're making the game shit for everyone else trying to invest time into it and actively trying to the best of their ability to win.
YOU DONT WIN AS TOWN BY BEING AFK ALL GAME AND NOT CONTRIBUTING.
And now you show up saying "I'm here" and throw out 1 liners as if that's somehow supposed to be self evident.
Like we have some sort of telepathic connection into your brain that will automatically explain the stances you take?!
How about you spend more than 2 minutes to read an accusation against you and actually flesh out your posts with some arguments and logical reasoning.
Bring your own sentiment to the thread, bring new thoughts, ideas, new suspects.
You don't show any sign of actually thinking about the game outside of the 2 minutes you spend looking for posts made against you and your OMGUS attack against people.
You say you're going to play?
How about you give some REASONING behind what you say instead of throwing out crap like this:
Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today.
..No explanation
I have dropped my LS read.
..No explanation
On July 01 2015 03:57 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:On July 01 2015 03:13 Onegu wrote:On July 01 2015 03:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:On July 01 2015 03:02 Onegu wrote:On July 01 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On July 01 2015 02:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Onegu played exactly the same way as this in HG and he was town then too. no he plays like that every game and you don't really know what makes the difference between town onegu or mafia onegu Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. I am playing now so suck it. Also why does scum onegu not push you today? Like HF can never read me. Since we were in newbies together. @RuXxar Why do I need to defend myself at this point we are still 4 hours from lynch and I am not dieing. And like your only reason for scum reading me is I am not doing anything... Well guess what I am now so your arguement is void. Damdred is being dumb/mafia because he knows for a fact I am willing to vote with my tunneled scum read as town. Also ruXxar the point about you making people look worse, you did it with VA and me right as you came in the game. Shockky because onegu rule. And also knowing my meta and thinking this is my scum play. Lol onegu rule and b/s I don't know your meta, but you've obviously have done nothing this game. Even when we were mafia together in my first return game, you did more, you did more in my town game. In this game, you've pretty much have done nothing. There's a huge difference in how you've been playing and you should see the same with me, but you just call me mafia because you're mafia and I've outed you. I've given MANY reasons how you can be mafia and all you can say is "onegu rule". Can you honestly say this game is like the game we were scum together in or the game we were town together in? You played way better when we were town together, I also want you to answer the same question. Can you honestly say this game is like the game we were scum together in or the game we were town together in? Scum
...No explanation.
No I thought Mig was tracker with check on scum GB
...No further explanation.
You know how badly I want to lynch you right now?
You're lucky.
You should've never made it this far.
But I'm done with you unless you actually show up and play.
It looks like you might make it one more day, I hope you enjoy it.
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Seems like onegu will barely escape the noose this time.
I'm coming for you next though.
I'm pretty confident we are hitting scum tonight either way
##Vote shockey
Afk dinner.
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Why did you swap last minute damdred?
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I deliberatively avoided participating in the final hour, because I know I can get sucked in and make rash and impulsive decisions when people start pushing last minute.
I prefer making my final stance a little while before end of day so that I know I'm certain in my choice.
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On July 01 2015 07:18 Fidei86 wrote:
All seriousness though, who first suggested Shockkey?
First as in when?
And what does this matter?
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On July 01 2015 07:30 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm only going to play 13 man games from now on. This game was way too hard for a casual at the start.
I know how you feel.
I replaced into this after a 13 man newbie game and I had to read 120 pages just to get started -_-
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I don't recommend replacing into games, you'll feel like an outsider all game I swear.
Everyone is talking about bugs and I feel like I'm an intruder taking his place, getting judged for things I didn't do :s
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Here's my quick thoughts before I go to bed:
HF and onegu are not scum together.
Shockey and onegu could be scum together.
I see 2 possible worlds:
Onegu, damdred, shockey.
HF, damdred, shockey.
I think ls is town.
I think nydus is most likely town.
I'll investigate more tomorrow.
Good night 
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On July 01 2015 13:46 Damdred wrote:
Explain why I'm scum specifically
Why damdred is scum in a mig/hf/damdred/shockey world:
Day 1 town read list out of thin air:
+ Show Spoiler +Almost all his reads are based on meta. Seems like an easy way to get cred for townreading town people and putting himself out of harms way. On June 17 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote:
Town:
Ls
Nhm
Rsoul
Damdred
Ritoky
Town leans
Kel
Gb
Breske
This is a good start. Keep it coming boys and girls
On June 17 2015 09:27 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:24 NydusHerMain wrote:
Damdred have you gave any reasoning for any of your reads yet other than meta? You did a hell of a lot of it last game. Actually meta is a huge part of my game in the early goings as well as tone etc., Rsoultin is because she's my waifu that's acting like a pita. I've answered about ls I believe Kel is his attitude and his wanting to dig into people. Gb because of the wanting to give reads and get people involved. Rit is pure meta and I'd rather never explain You are meta+content at this point compared to last game.
Distancing himself from MiG:
+ Show Spoiler +By doing this early, he's able to get cred for himself later when mig is incriminated. Who would believe that damdred and mig are mafia together when he attacked mig day 1? It's a good mafia play. Mig was no way in danger of getting lynched on day 1 or 2. On June 22 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote:
Mig is mafia and we should lynch Mig On June 22 2015 05:43 Damdred wrote:
This is frustrating all my connections are back working and nobody is here to talk to.
GB is more than likely never scum in this scenario. If he is totally changed his meta and deserves a big pat on the back.
However Mig, asks questions that lead no where. Writes a good bit about certain things but doesn't really go along with it, wastes vote without pushing anything today. Is pretty inactive (pot meet kettle) is totally on the side line not getting involved.
Conclussions are rather lacking and following some of thread sentiment. On June 22 2015 05:45 Damdred wrote:
Yamato is a difficult case, his activity is a bit concerning but some of his posts and reads feel genuine and seem to have a real flow and thought pattern to them.
I wouldn't fight super hard against his lynch, but I think i'd rather a mig lynch. On June 22 2015 05:49 Damdred wrote:
No need to get defensive I said it was uncanny and made me chuckle.
And yes actually your filter is very blendy without really pushing anything, you are in the side lines not really sticking your neck out going against thread sentiment.
Even here when you complain about me being at eod you make it into some form of scathing defense instead of trying to draw some form of conclusion from.
Obviously if I could of been here I would have as its not alignment indicative. Then, after mig CC's(as he was pretty much going to die sooner or later at this point) and GB gets lynched, Damdred is able to cash in on his town cred: On June 25 2015 07:57 Damdred wrote:
That's not the point.
There are a few things to consider, there is 100% information and then there is non perfect information.
You have perfect information on yourself, in the world you want us to believe the one where you are a tracker.
In this world you tracked Vayne to Bugs n1, You don't know what this means. It could mean that Vayne hit Bugs with a kp and bugs was a vet at that point (during d2). But you never really seem to be pressing on vayne at all in your filter to figure out this information.
You do harp on yamato and want to get him lynched.
However when Gb claims if you are actually tracker you KNOW that there probably will not be more than one cop type role in this game or very very seldom will it be that way in a non themed game.
But instead of going OK GUYS WE LYNCH 100% MAFIA IN GB TODAY. You go NO, DONT LYNCH GB LYNCH YAMATO.
You don't act like someone who basically has a CC and act completely differently the next day towards gb than you did around the time of the claim, in fact why did you even track GB? You are sure that hes not the cop, but you claim he didn't move.
He claims he has a red check on HF.
You are full of lies it looks like to me. On June 25 2015 09:08 Damdred wrote:
I will admit however that d1 I didn't really have any scum reads to speak of, my only scum read I spoke of d 1 was fid who I immediately withdrew when rs said he was a mason.
And I did come out with a scum read on mig and pushed him around lynch the next day until the fake green check which totally sucked ass in retrospect -_-.
Overlal I've scuekd i'll admit it but it doesn't make me scum
Deflecting off HF:
+ Show Spoiler +Several times he tries to deflect our push on HF and discrediting the red-check when there's a really low chance that the red-check is false. He seems to be really fond of the idea that HF is either framed or miller: On June 25 2015 09:05 Damdred wrote:Well heres the thing HF, i'm actually debating whether you could of been framed or not like Show nested quote +1) I either flip VT in which case GB MUST be killed. No if's or buts. I very very very much doubt that mafia were like "hey, GB is cop and he's obviously going to check the guy he was fighting with all day let's frame HF" and GB got unlucky. I won't ever buy that situation. We are talking about the mafia team who totally decided not to kill either rsoultin or fid n1 even though they basically hard claimed mason d1. And RS isn't that bad a player, instead they went after bugs (or hes scum) and kel who isn't a bad kill but is a really safe kill. That speaks to me of a not so good scum team personally, or a sub optima not paying attention one who could of really framed you instead of going for someone else. Besides that you could be a miller. And on another point activity for you is not alignment indicative to an extent, for example Christmas carol around your lynch you wer super active and went ball to the wall to try to not get lynched as scum. But once again i'm not sure that you would of chosen the kills like that d1 either. But as of now i'm pretty much thinking you are more of a miller or framed than mafia potentially, as I read the post it read a bit more like town hf than scum at this point. Discrediting the red-check: On June 28 2015 07:58 Damdred wrote:
The correct play is to lynch the scummiest player.
If you lynch hf do it for a real reason not just a red check as in a totally closed setup doesn't mean quite as much.
For example why would scum team totally sacrifice mig for hf there? Idk what the point is except we go gb, mig then hf in that scenario.
It looks much more likely atm that role cop gb drew Out vayne and we have a mislynch in hf incoming. On June 28 2015 08:23 Damdred wrote:
It depends.
For example we really don't know what the scum team has, its possible that they don't have a rb or a godfather etc. Have a framer or we have a Miller.
Sometimes a red check just doesn't mean as much in a closed setup then it does in an open setup. Does that mean hf is lock town? No he is the best scum player on site after all.
Rs and gb are probably unobtrusive fists at me currently but yeah I just want to find the other two scum before we decide on hf
Deflecting: On June 30 2015 07:45 Damdred wrote:
Like if there was one mafia left no frame had flipped and something like God father had already flipped I would say lynch hf with 100% right now. Maybe if godfather had already flipped, but it hasn't we don't know what the scum team is working for.
HOWEVER, we still are working with a three scum team and nobody is even trying to figure out who the other members are, they are trying to convince HF THAT HF IS SCUM!
This is possibly the most counter productive thing that we can do. Or pass off responsibility for a good lynch on confirmed town Fide. On July 01 2015 01:08 Damdred wrote:
This is a really frustrating day, listen guys you are making this day about hf a million percent and forcing him to only defend himself. You aren't making him give reads or try to solve the game.
If he's scum and he gets lynched we have no real new information besides little blurbs so stop just attacking him make him talk about only other people and you do the same.
For example shockey asked me if I felt like oneg had done more, the answer is no I made an arbitrary list of people not doing jack shit inlylo and obviously don't care. They don't care On July 01 2015 07:20 Damdred wrote:
It complicates things a bit... in this many lylo in a row mafia are just as likely to hard bus to get extra cred than to go exclusively for a town.
Also knowing hf, if he were scum I feel like he would,100% want the framer to flip over hard defending him. So he could use that in his defense.
Kinda deep,hf is town here
A strange statement regarding HF:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
I'm pretty sure hf will be around until 2 v 1 if we get to that point.
I have to look through hf filter a bit to see if I see anything. But right now time is better spent getting thoughts out or questioning any inconsistencies you find Why does he think this? On June 28 2015 08:24 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2015 08:22 ruXxar wrote:On June 28 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
I'm pretty sure hf will be around until 2 v 1 if we get to that point.
I have to look through hf filter a bit to see if I see anything. But right now time is better spent getting thoughts out or questioning any inconsistencies you find What makes you sure HF will be around for so long? Why wouldn't scum,keep a red check around to mislynch one day? I see 2 problems with this: #1) If HF is town, he's very dangerous to keep around. Even with a redcheck he's not getting lynched time and time again, also he has an uncanny ability to push through lynches on people. I would be very scared as mafia to keep a town HF around, even WITH a red-check. #2) You're indirectly saying that people wanting to keep HF around are actually scum. Well, that's a nice way to call yourself scum.
Seems incredibly confident in his reads day one without backing them up with substance.
Has a premeditated plan on how he's going to play, distancing himself from mig day 1.
Wants to keep HF alive saying we gain "no info" when HF has been the most active and would be giving out the MOST info of anyone if he flipped and discrediting the red-check several times.
Seems certain that scum wants to keep town HF alive when I think that is a very dangerous proposition, especially with HF's reputation of winning a triple LYLO.
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I'm going out for a while.
I'd love to see some feedback on my post.
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On July 02 2015 01:59 Damdred wrote:
There is a possibility he's scum and its possible that he's scum with oneg.
Hiwever its not at all correct for me to hard align myself with anyone even if you use wifom to put doubts into it. Its idiotic and hurts me trying to win the game as scum.
most the thread at some point would of wanted to lynch hf most didn't vote him which is strange
What makes you think that HF could be scum with onegu?
I got the opposite impression after seeing what happened yesterday.
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I agree with fidei here.
I don't see any reason why mafia wouldn't start a train on at least one town person.
What is there to gain by bussing until the end?
The longer the game goes, the more certain people become in each others alignments.
Meaning you have to abuse the town uncertainty of alignment while you still can.
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I have to say that in isolation, onegu's play still screams scum to me.
I can't come to terms with a town person playing the way onegu does.
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Maybe...
I'm not really sure what to make of the push on onegu.
It did seem kind of artificial how they were yelling each others names so loudly and trying so hard.
It felt really forced in a way.
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Sigh. I'm really sad on a personal level.
I really enjoyed playing with you fidei.
From the way you post to the way you thought.
I felt like we connected on an intellectual level.
I hope we get to play together again, I really like you as a person
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Can someone explain to me what seals or baby seals are?
Is it some kind of meme in TL mafia?
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On July 02 2015 07:19 Fidei86 wrote:
rr
famous last words :p
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On July 02 2015 07:35 Damdred wrote:
6 players left
4 v 2
The nightkill was really not surprising, however weird in a sense to.
It might be an interesting idea to no lynch today and that night kill would give us a lot of information to a degree... but i'm not sure yet.
How is a nolynch going to help?
What do we gain if LS or Nydus dies?
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