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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 17 2015 22:41 GMT
#1861
The games over so I can go into it a little bit deeper now - so KS's day one here had very little posting and conclusions. in Guardians as doctor, he was ready to go with a lot more detailed analysis. He was being scum read by most of the people there, but there were some things that made me think he was town, which was not the consensus at that time. It still was a mixed bag (I voted the other wagon) and then he claimed one minute before without enough time for people to adjust and he got lynched. It was almost like night and day from his day one in this game -that's what made me so suspicious of him. The Geript case sounded pretty good, so I let it go and sheeped it. Day two comes and KS is just making afk remarks and almost gives up - and I think he probably sat back, said screw this I'm town I'm going to help out - and started looking a lot better. We go on Sulf and he's the GF. KS could have bussed (so could I have, right?!?) But I am doubtful.

TLDR- I think KS is town now.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2015 22:43 GMT
#1862
The game is over?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2015 22:45 GMT
#1863
Well oats was right about one thing:

On June 17 2015 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey at least im not getting killed tonight.


On June 17 2015 23:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey at least im not dying tonight.

"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 17 2015 22:46 GMT
#1864
The other game (Guardians) we played together Ruxx, it's against the rules to talk about ongoing games.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2015 22:48 GMT
#1865
Ah okay.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2015 22:49 GMT
#1866
You know the feeling you get sometimes when you think you figured something out and you just rush to tell everyone about it?

Thats me.
Don't be like me.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2015 22:51 GMT
#1867
Another question for you scott:

Why do you think Sulfurus put you on this list?

On June 17 2015 06:52 Sulfurus wrote:
K before I die:

4 lynches
Oatsmaster
Kickstarter
Batsnacks
MoosyDoosy

If I don't get lynched: Scott31337

Top town
Rels



And why do you think he put you buy yourself and wrote "in case I don't get lynched?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 17 2015 23:09 GMT
#1868
You are doing it again. We've all told you trying to figure anything out from that post is a fruitless endeavor -_-.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 17 2015 23:10 GMT
#1869
I mean anyone could read anything into it it is not really at all helpful. Like I could ask you don't you think it is strange that he doesn't mention you at all when he knows he is going to flip and he is scum, is he trying to leave you off to avoid you being suspicious from his lynch? See how this works, you can literally read anything into it you want and there is no right or wrong answer because we can no longer ask sulfurus questions about it.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2015 23:11 GMT
#1870
I don't understand why though.
Please educate me so I can become a better player.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 17 2015 23:20 GMT
#1871
The principal is that we try to place ourselves in his shoes and guess what he would have done, but the reality is that you just don't and can't know unless he tells you. Since that post was literally just a list with nothing of an explanation from him we have no way to read that post, no cipher for it if you will. Add to that that he made it late in the day when he was pretty much to be the sure lynch, and he knows he is mafia. So now it is even more of a WIFOM situation than say a similar post early in the game when said player isn't at risk of being lynched because he made this post as scum knowing he was going to flip, so trying to read into it is impossible.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 17 2015 23:26 GMT
#1872
I voted ruxxar. If he is town it's because he accidentally voted on every wagon this game except sulfur who happened to be the scummiest player in the game, and defended sulfur despite sulfur being the most scummy person in the game.

I don't think there is more for me to contribute regarding ruxxar. I will be thinking about who to lynch after ruxxar from now on.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 17 2015 23:30 GMT
#1873
On June 18 2015 07:51 ruXxar wrote:
Another question for you scott:

Why do you think Sulfurus put you on this list?

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 06:52 Sulfurus wrote:
K before I die:

4 lynches
Oatsmaster
Kickstarter
Batsnacks
MoosyDoosy

If I don't get lynched: Scott31337

Top town
Rels



And why do you think he put you buy yourself and wrote "in case I don't get lynched?


It's WIFOM really - he could play the "too scummy to be scum" and call out his teammates or pick a bunch of half townie read people. WoS said it well "Its shit."
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2015 23:33 GMT
#1874
Thanks kick and Scott.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2015 23:36 GMT
#1875
On June 18 2015 08:26 batsnacks wrote:
I voted ruxxar. If he is town it's because he accidentally voted on every wagon this game except sulfur who happened to be the scummiest player in the game, and defended sulfur despite sulfur being the most scummy person in the game.

I don't think there is more for me to contribute regarding ruxxar. I will be thinking about who to lynch after ruxxar from now on.


I never voted by accident,
There was always a reason.

If you're curious about any of my votes just ask and I will gladly explain.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 18 2015 00:17 GMT
#1876
Reads and stuff vomit time:

On June 18 2015 08:26 batsnacks wrote:
I voted ruxxar. If he is town it's because he accidentally voted on every wagon this game except sulfur who happened to be the scummiest player in the game, and defended sulfur despite sulfur being the most scummy person in the game.

I don't think there is more for me to contribute regarding ruxxar. I will be thinking about who to lynch after ruxxar from now on.

Wanted to look into bats a little bit but posts like this make me feel its unnecessary. Has stayed extremely consistent in his posting (but not rigid the way I would expect from scum, if that makes sense) and very open and flowing with reads.
Was not a huge fan of the push to lynch scott at end of day as somebody pointed out, but the pull for shenanigans is strong and I can feel where he was coming from.

On June 18 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:
Well oats was right about one thing:

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey at least im not getting killed tonight.


Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 23:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey at least im not dying tonight.


Makes me think ruxx/oats can't be scum together because of awkwardness and a really bad bus but association so meh.

Trfel also pulled a last minute end of night reads post which makes me continue to feel good about him.
Voting analysis on scott all but clears him entirely imo (have to unfortunately look into potential associations there though) so I'm not entirely sure where Trfel is coming from there that he can completely ignore it.

Oats and Damdred---I feel like something has got to be there but I'm not sure in what capacity. Requires more work when I have the time. I'm notoriously terrible at reading Oats so my constant townreads of him could be extremely wrong. I think I caught Damdred a while ago in some game so I want to go back and look through my own games and see how I did it.

Rels is Rels. I dunno.

People should talk with me.


Oh yeah and gg Moosy, but as people have said this is a very good reason why you don't discuss blue roles. It was Damdred who said that before I could I think---if it were anyone else I might think alignment indicative in some way but that's simply vet common sense.


twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 18 2015 00:27 GMT
#1877
K reading through Trfel's scott post in greater detail---I agree with the fact that the amount of time left in the day means the Sulfurus vote doesn't mean a lot on the surface, but you have to consider the mafia mindset. What scummer is going to actively place a teammate in the running when he would previously have been under no threat? Why risk it at that point ESPECIALLY when it's so early? For potential towncred in a situation when we discuss it exactly like this? I would argue the potential towncred gained is no even remotely worth the risk, especially to a typical scummer, not to mention considering he barely discusses sulfurus at all he doesn't deserve a great deal of towncred for that swap to begin with.

The D2 voting analysis is sorta meh, I admit it doesn't make him look amazing but I think D1 trumps this a little.



twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 18 2015 00:28 GMT
#1878
Come on, you can't say voting exonerates people because sulph was so bad that mafia may just have bussed from the very start.

Hey damdred at the start of the game you looked through your replace person. Why did you do that?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 18 2015 00:30 GMT
#1879
On June 18 2015 09:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
K reading through Trfel's scott post in greater detail---I agree with the fact that the amount of time left in the day means the Sulfurus vote doesn't mean a lot on the surface, but you have to consider the mafia mindset. What scummer is going to actively place a teammate in the running when he would previously have been under no threat? Why risk it at that point ESPECIALLY when it's so early? For potential towncred in a situation when we discuss it exactly like this? I would argue the potential towncred gained is no even remotely worth the risk, especially to a typical scummer, not to mention considering he barely discusses sulfurus at all he doesn't deserve a great deal of towncred for that swap to begin with.

The D2 voting analysis is sorta meh, I admit it doesn't make him look amazing but I think D1 trumps this a little.




It's not for town cred. It's for not looking like mafia when sulph eventually flips. Which clearly worked to you anyway.

Sulph was just so obvious man. If you ignore voting analysis, what else makes him town?
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 18 2015 00:48 GMT
#1880
On June 18 2015 09:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Come on, you can't say voting exonerates people because sulph was so bad that mafia may just have bussed from the very start.

Hey damdred at the start of the game you looked through your replace person. Why did you do that?

So you're saying before the scum team realized he'd barely be playing/playing terribly they decided to bus him?

And why should I be ignoring vote analysis?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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