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On June 18 2015 08:26 batsnacks wrote: I voted ruxxar. If he is town it's because he accidentally voted on every wagon this game except sulfur who happened to be the scummiest player in the game, and defended sulfur despite sulfur being the most scummy person in the game. I don't think there is more for me to contribute regarding ruxxar. I will be thinking about who to lynch after ruxxar from now on. Wanted to look into bats a little bit but posts like this make me feel its unnecessary. Has stayed extremely consistent in his posting (but not rigid the way I would expect from scum, if that makes sense) and very open and flowing with reads. Was not a huge fan of the push to lynch scott at end of day as somebody pointed out, but the pull for shenanigans is strong and I can feel where he was coming from. On June 18 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote: Well oats was right about one thing: Makes me think ruxx/oats can't be scum together because of awkwardness and a really bad bus but association so meh. Trfel also pulled a last minute end of night reads post which makes me continue to feel good about him. Voting analysis on scott all but clears him entirely imo (have to unfortunately look into potential associations there though) so I'm not entirely sure where Trfel is coming from there that he can completely ignore it. Oats and Damdred---I feel like something has got to be there but I'm not sure in what capacity. Requires more work when I have the time. I'm notoriously terrible at reading Oats so my constant townreads of him could be extremely wrong. I think I caught Damdred a while ago in some game so I want to go back and look through my own games and see how I did it. Rels is Rels. I dunno. People should talk with me. Oh yeah and gg Moosy, but as people have said this is a very good reason why you don't discuss blue roles. It was Damdred who said that before I could I think---if it were anyone else I might think alignment indicative in some way but that's simply vet common sense. | ||
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The D2 voting analysis is sorta meh, I admit it doesn't make him look amazing but I think D1 trumps this a little. | ||
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On June 18 2015 09:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Come on, you can't say voting exonerates people because sulph was so bad that mafia may just have bussed from the very start. Hey damdred at the start of the game you looked through your replace person. Why did you do that? So you're saying before the scum team realized he'd barely be playing/playing terribly they decided to bus him? And why should I be ignoring vote analysis? | ||
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On June 18 2015 10:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol his first like 5 posts were really really bad. And if its between bats/sulph, they may have thought its too suspicious. Whatever, its all speculation. its just that I have gotten burned way too many times by assuming someone is town JUST because they lynched mafia. Yes, HF comes to mind specifically here. | ||
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On June 19 2015 03:11 ruXxar wrote: I really want to lynch oats. Reading kicks filter from day 2, he was one of the strongest if not the strongest proponent on lynching sulfur. If kicks goes out and pushes his teammate is hard, how can oats come to the conclusion that kick doesn't know about bussing? He said this after the lynch, and didn't think KS was scum when he said so afaik. | ||
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On June 18 2015 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Wave you want to lunch danded tmr? It looks as though you had something started and then you gave up. Why? | ||
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On June 19 2015 03:53 Kickstart wrote: I dunno I don't see much scum motivation in Damdreds day2 stuff around the sulfurus lynch. Basically said he refused to lynch me when I was probably who scum were going to try for and he was one of the first onto sulf. I mean its possible but if Damdred is scum why doesn't he try to get something going on a townie instead of just hard defending me and immediatly voting his scum buddy. Doesnt make sense to me :/ I have a problem with this personally. It makes perfect sense to me for this reason exactly. Damdred could simply be playing the 'solo' mafia and pocketing specific players. A hard defense of a player when no one else is out for it fits the bill pretty well. Especially given that it's the 'strong' players. Did the same for batsnacks. I actually think Damdred might be scum here. Sitting back completely flying under the radar is NOT how Damdred plays, I just played a game where he was town and I was scum and it was not like this. I also still need to hear back from Oats regarding my earlier question. As far as the wagon on Scott I'm not sure how I feel about it. | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:40 Rels wrote: Last thought of the day: this push is too easy. So easy. There is 6 people voting scott, and WOS was here and did nothing to interrupt that: so that's 7 people out of 9, and 2 mafia left. Statistically, there is at least one mafia on these 7, who is currently is not doing anything to make the thread move. And I can apply this theory for the whole day. Almost nothing happened, and scott was the most likely train from the very beginning. I know for a fact ruxx and Oats were here and did nothing, for example. So to me everybody is happy with the lynch going this way: town 'cause scott is super scummy, AND mafia. So it seems that the mafia team is happy with scott going down. It can mean: - scott is not defendable - scott is townie I'd be careful with this way of thinking. Reasons you missed: - It's not even 24h into the day and wagons will and almost always do change. - Scum aren't around to defend him much I think I've been too lazy today. | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote: I tried the too obvious to be scum approach on sulfur. Didn't get me anywhere. I'm actually happy to see everyone agree on something for once. Besides, he still has a lot of time to defend himself, so if he's town I'm sure he'll try his best to put up a good fight for his case. I'm not saying Scott is too obvious to be scum, but if everybody is on him like this, I dunno maybe I expected it to be 'more obvious' if that makes sense? Like I'll admit I haven't read a great deal lately but I haven't found anything massively compelling by skimming. Hence one of the reasons I feel I've been too lazy and need to start looking deeper. I mean there's also the fact that Scott is only one of two scum if he does flip red. On June 19 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote: Did you read my posts? I thought they were pretty compelling. Yeah I've read your 'sulf did this, so town' posts and I'm not particularly enamored of them. I will admit I'm usually not great at reading newbies here so maybe that's why I don't feel like looking into his motivations will yield good results, but to assume that every time Sulf defended someone it makes them town seems a little suspect since there are other cases sulf didn't even comment on due to low activity. I do want to hear your meta on Damdred that you mentioned. | ||
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On June 19 2015 04:41 Kickstart wrote: He tends to sit back like this. But he does come in when it counts or when there is pressure and does decent then. That is how I felt he did day2 and that is why I like him for now. I would agree that other than the day2 he has been very under the radar but that is exactly how I felt about him in the 1 other games I played with him (thin it was just 1  ) and that is just how he plays. Scott is a good lynch today. My worry is with Oats is that he could be mafia or town and just being lazy, but if we allow him to live to mylo or lylo we are in a real bad spot having to try to read him, whereas almost everyone else would be easier to read at that point I think. That said we still have time and a scott lynch again looks the best to me (I'm about equal on oats vs scott lynch but seems most people arent as sure on an oats lynch as I am).Pressure on him or on someone else? | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:30 ruXxar wrote: I don't know how veteran games are, but I came in here with kind of high expectations, treating everyone with respect, and trying to read what the most optimal mafia play would be. Granted, this is my first game, so I have very limited experience to draw from, but I think i kinda WIFOMed myself into thinking the game was harder than it was, and in a way that logic became a self-fulfilling prophecy. In my experience the game is always harder than it looks, but that could also simply be because I'm shit. I do feel better about you as you continue to post so I agree with whoever said that lately...bats I think? | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:56 batsnacks wrote: 6/8 people voting for scott I say scott shouldn't waste his time appealing to me. First thing scott does: appeal to me. Brilliant What does that mean to you? And you didn't answer me re: damdred. | ||
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So let me get this straight. You think Damdred is mafia. And you think Scott is mafia. And Scott is voting for Damdred, but he's not bussing this game. On June 19 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Wave I forgot I posted that post when you didnt answer. And cause everyone wants to lynch scott, which I am completely ok with. Kickstart is just scumreading me to be a dick right now lol. I mean...stop me if I'm not making sense here but SOMETHING isn't quite right, you know? | ||
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Oats. The definition of 'bussing' is to throw your mafia teammate 'under the bus' by getting them lynched. If they are both scum, and Scott is voting for Damdred, by the very definition bussing is EXACTLY what he is doing. Oats why is Damdred scum? | ||
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I'm on Damdred now because this is NOT how he plays town, period. I've been consistently blown away by his play in recent months and all I've seen in this game is him defending people (hint: easy to do as scum) and almost no analysis whatsoever past the early game. Would be willing to switch to Oats though and I'm kind of surprised nobody had anything to say about the fact that he completely contradicted himself here AND refuses to answer my question. On June 19 2015 14:57 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL Oats. The definition of 'bussing' is to throw your mafia teammate 'under the bus' by getting them lynched. If they are both scum, and Scott is voting for Damdred, by the very definition bussing is EXACTLY what he is doing. Oats why is Damdred scum? He says ' because he feels like he is.' Even were this not contradictory to the fact that he's voting Damdred atm, there are some players who I'm fine with letting go on 'feels' reads, but Oats is not one of them because he is notorious for just throwing shit around willy-nilly. One of these two today. I can't tell yet if I want to fight the Scott lynch because while I don't see any blatant reasons for him being scum despite some of the voting cases people have made, there are little things that bug me like this On June 19 2015 20:19 scott31337 wrote: hsh I see you linking my filters but not reaching to any conclusions - am I mafia? Mafia are often very concerned about how they look in thread though considering everyone is voting for him at this point it should be obvious so this one is kinda meh, and this one On June 19 2015 16:16 scott31337 wrote: scott31337 (6): Trfel, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Kickstart, ruXxar WoS is voting away from me - an intelligent one - ride or die basically with him On June 19 2015 15:23 scott31337 wrote: Wave do you really think Bats is town? Him pushing me for very little reasons has me worried. The buddying plus here On June 19 2015 16:22 scott31337 wrote: Now I know how geript feels -and BS wanted him off before he could make intelligent decisions because he's a much better player then me. OBS QT GIVE ME POWER TO SEE THE LIGHT (plus the video he linked) An abrupt tone change which might signify a realization that's he's already dead...? But not necessarily alignment indicative. The buddying is the worst of everything I just pointed out, but I remain unconvinced above the other two. | ||
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