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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 16 2015 21:28 GMT
#1541
Bats I'm not votingnhim if he's afk
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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:28 GMT
#1542
On June 17 2015 06:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I also remember someone saying veterans generally hate playing Mafia. If that's the case, does Oatsmaster's attitude reflect this? (Question oriented towards the vets)


Oats does the same thing every game regardless of alignment.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 16 2015 21:28 GMT
#1543
On June 17 2015 06:27 Kickstart wrote:
I'm not sure what to think of his current not voting me really. My confirmation bias just wants to assume that he thinks he is going to get lynched so thus if he votes me to try and save himself but flips anyways and is scum he kind of confirms me town. But given that I am a possible mislynch and regardless of if sulf was lynched today he is very liekly to be lynched upcoming cycles, for all this I read it as going down and not giving information. By not voting me to save himself he doesnt auto confirm me as town if he flips red saving mafia the opportunity to get a mislynch on me, which seems to be their goal atm.

If he switches, it's an almost clear sign he's Mafia. His best bet is for scott to come to his rescue. It might also just be a case of Sulfurus leaving after his couple of posts so he hasn't seen what's happening.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:29 GMT
#1544
On June 17 2015 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bats I'm not votingnhim if he's afk


But you'll vote afk sulfurus >
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 16 2015 21:30 GMT
#1545
On June 17 2015 06:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I also remember someone saying veterans generally hate playing Mafia. If that's the case, does Oatsmaster's attitude reflect this? (Question oriented towards the vets)

I can see why someone would say that. I mean I myself have had little motivation earlier in this game because I think I burnt myself out from playing too many games right in a row/simultaneously. That said, there is a difference between someone burnt out and playing like shit and someone burnt out and playing scummy. I think I was playing like shit and that is why the people who played with me before were suspicious/mad at me, I think oats play has been pure scummy, but I can't speak to whether or not he is motivated to play, only that I think he is scum ^^.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 16 2015 21:31 GMT
#1546
Plz bats that's not the same thing and you knownit
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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:31 GMT
#1547
On June 17 2015 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Plz bats that's not the same thing and you knownit


Yeah. This sulfur wagon looks great next to the kickstart wagon anyway. As long as we don't have two towns here this should be fine.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 16 2015 21:33 GMT
#1548
On June 17 2015 06:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 06:27 Kickstart wrote:
I'm not sure what to think of his current not voting me really. My confirmation bias just wants to assume that he thinks he is going to get lynched so thus if he votes me to try and save himself but flips anyways and is scum he kind of confirms me town. But given that I am a possible mislynch and regardless of if sulf was lynched today he is very liekly to be lynched upcoming cycles, for all this I read it as going down and not giving information. By not voting me to save himself he doesnt auto confirm me as town if he flips red saving mafia the opportunity to get a mislynch on me, which seems to be their goal atm.

If he switches, it's an almost clear sign he's Mafia. His best bet is for scott to come to his rescue. It might also just be a case of Sulfurus leaving after his couple of posts so he hasn't seen what's happening.

Yeah that is my thinking. He looks bad if he votes me regardless of his actual alignment. If he is town though he should 100% vote for me, especially since he has consistently stated he thought I was scum. I think the only reason he doesn't is to try and save the mislynch opportunity on me for later. But even this is weird thinking so I dont know, but that's the world im in currently.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 16 2015 21:34 GMT
#1549
OK guys please read carefully the big post of Kickstart. It's bad. His only points of analysis are:
1 - bunch of quotes of fluff posts from filters
2 - their votes are without explanations or with bad explanations
Point 1 is not mafia indicative.
Point 2 are you kidding Kickstart ? That's what you did all game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 16 2015 21:35 GMT
#1550
On June 17 2015 03:33 Damdred wrote:
I don't see how that's fabricated at all, you can make a statement, scum read someone and then contradict yourself I see it all the time
If he thinks that it is acceptable for town to sometimes lie, then he cannot scumread ruXxar for saying this. This was the main part of his case on ruXxar.

On June 17 2015 03:57 Sulfurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 19:25 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:
K I just realized that Oats is scummy.

I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts)

Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town.

##Vote: Oatsmaster


What do you think about kickstart ?


Sorry if I didn't make myself clear but this is the exact problem I was trying to fix. You see Oats is mafia but not the one you have been looking for because you guys have been too tunnel visioned on Kicks.

Anyway I still think Kicks is mafia and will switch my vote to him to save a town but if there is a mafia we will lose to it will probably be Oats
Wait, what? I don't understand this at all....

On June 17 2015 04:54 Rels wrote:
I can see why everybody is starting to switch. This post screams townie.

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 04:34 Kickstart wrote:
I'm here but going to forumulate a big ass post in typical Kickstart fashion because if town is going to be bad and let this lynch on me happen I can at least try to give something so you won't be in a useless spot after the lynch like you would be if it happened right now. Give me some time it takes me awhile to make these big posts, will try and keep up with the thread as I'm working on it.


But what's happening right now seems like mafia doing a last minute switch, especially at a time when the two people doing cases on kickstart (Trfel and me) said they weren't going to be around for deadline.
This isn't a townie post, this is what people have been begging Kickstart to do all day. People have been like "Kickstart if you are town, do this." And only now does he say "I'm going to do this." There's no reason he can't fake this post as mafia. It doesn't mean anything unless he actually follows through.

On June 17 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 05:20 ruXxar wrote:
On June 17 2015 05:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus's post basically reveals that he would have only lynched Kickstart if everyone else was going to. This basically shows that he's only willing to vote on wagons and never by himself. This correlates to the rest of his play which is disturbing because Mafia generally wishes to follow easy wagons.


This is Extremely false:

On June 14 2015 05:04 Sulfurus wrote:
If it wasn't clear I would lynch trfel and I shouldn't have ignored him just for voting bats.

On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:
K I just realized that Oats is scummy.
##Vote: Oatsmaster


I'm also getting tired of your bandwagon argument in every post you make.
Do you have anything new to come up with?

Do I have anything new to come up with? No, because I like being consistent unlike a certain someone whose viewpoint changes with every couple of posts they make.
This isn't very towny at all...

Kickstart's post is decent enough, though. Maybe there's more to his Oatsmaster read than I thought initially, I've always had a hard time reading Oatsmaster. His inactivity is all across the board, and he's almost always extremely aggressive and scumreads people without stating his reasons all the time.

I'll lynch Sulfurus here, I suppose. Kickstart's post is good enough to buy him some time, at least. I really don't think that lynching ruXxar is a good idea, I just get the feeling that he's town from his filter. He's putting in a lot of effort and I can generally see where he's coming from.

##vote Sulfurus
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 16 2015 21:37 GMT
#1551
Lol. rels you are so ridiculous. My quotes from them illustrates my points about them. If you think my points on them are bullshit bring one up specifically, I cant respond to you if you just say "your entire huge post is bullshit, all of it. As for point 2, I have pushed both ruxxar and sulf this game. My only vote that has been without good explanation was my vote on you. Now I can see the OMGUS from you onto me for me coming back from being afk and just joining the wagon on you because that was thread sentiment, but to say that none of my votes have been with no explanations is not true when they all have save for that one instance on you. Take a step back from your OMGUS tunnel on me and realize that me coming back from being afk and going with thread sentiment isn't as scummy as you want it to be.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 21:38 GMT
#1552
Yeah Im here had to finish the other game - I fought well
let me read and catch up and my vote
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 16 2015 21:39 GMT
#1553
OK if even Trfel votes Sulfu, I suppose KS is not going to be the lynch today.

I still think Sulfu is town. He wouldn't have hard defended me if he was mafia last day.
I still think KS is mafia. One big post one hour before the deadline is not enough to make me change my mind. Especially since there is no summary of any cases, it's a lot of words to say very few reasons. Good reasons, but very few for the size of the posts.

I'll just hope I'm wrong.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 16 2015 21:39 GMT
#1554
On June 17 2015 06:38 scott31337 wrote:
Yeah Im here had to finish the other game - I fought well
let me read and catch up and my vote

Wait let me guess whonits goinna be
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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 21:40 GMT
#1555
On May 30 2015 06:41 Sulfurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2015 06:01 -Celestial- wrote:
This is your t-minus 60 minutes warning

~ Vote Count ~

27ninjabunnies (4) : Tictock (X), sicklucker, Tictock (X), Sulfurus, batsnacks, disformation (X), disformation
Sulfurus (3) : batsnacks (X), Barakos (X), sicklucker (X), disformation (X), plotspot, Barakos, 27ninjabunnies
plotspot (1) : Tictock (X), Barakos (X), disformation (X), Tictock (X), boxerfred (X), Tictock
disformation (1) : boxerfred (X), boxerfred
boxerfred (0) : disformation (X)
no-lynch (0) : plotspot (X)

Not voting (1) : no-lynch

Currently, 27ninjabunnies is set to be lynched!
The day phase will end at Friday, May 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), about 60 minutes (!!!) from this post.
remain as you are reading this.

Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread.

If you see any vote out of place, scream your head off and maybe someone will notice.


Thank you guys so much! I truely believe we have a good shot at the GF with this lynch.


This is town sulfurus right before he's about to get lynched in newbie student mafia X.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 16 2015 21:41 GMT
#1556
On June 17 2015 06:37 Kickstart wrote:
Lol. rels you are so ridiculous. My quotes from them illustrates my points about them. If you think my points on them are bullshit bring one up specifically, I cant respond to you if you just say "your entire huge post is bullshit, all of it. As for point 2, I have pushed both ruxxar and sulf this game. My only vote that has been without good explanation was my vote on you. Now I can see the OMGUS from you onto me for me coming back from being afk and just joining the wagon on you because that was thread sentiment, but to say that none of my votes have been with no explanations is not true when they all have save for that one instance on you. Take a step back from your OMGUS tunnel on me and realize that me coming back from being afk and going with thread sentiment isn't as scummy as you want it to be.

That may be true and I'll see that tomorrow. But I still think your case is awful as it's a lot of words without a summary. It's hard to see the clear points.
The only clear points I saw on both Sulfu and Oats was that their votes was opportunistic.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 16 2015 21:42 GMT
#1557
Well come on. I mean I don't want to make excuses for myself when I have already said it over and over again, but I was fucking afk for eod1 and all of the night1 and into day2 and you expect me to come out with a million points against people when ive missed that much? That is just not reasonable to expect from me. And while I dont have a million points against my scum reads, I do have points that I expanded upon to show what I mean, and I beleive they are good points as to why they could be scum. I gave the reads I could give given how I've played, I apologize that I was afk and probably can't provide as good as a read as if I were here the whole time, but I wasn't here, so expecting that of me is not reasonable.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 16 2015 21:42 GMT
#1558
On June 17 2015 06:39 Rels wrote:
OK if even Trfel votes Sulfu, I suppose KS is not going to be the lynch today.

I still think Sulfu is town. He wouldn't have hard defended me if he was mafia last day.
I still think KS is mafia. One big post one hour before the deadline is not enough to make me change my mind. Especially since there is no summary of any cases, it's a lot of words to say very few reasons. Good reasons, but very few for the size of the posts.

I'll just hope I'm wrong.
One thing I noticed in Kickstart's post that I really liked is how his reads often fit an OMGUS perspective, however he openly acknowledged that and you could see how he tried to avoid it. That looked fairly towny, and also hard to fake.

Kickstart's tone changed significantly from the moment where the pressure on him backed off a little, but I'm not sure that is alignment indicative.

Either way, with those really strange posts from Sulfurus a few hours back, I'd rather lynch him for now.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 21:43 GMT
#1559
Grrr I haven't like KS all game - his wall of text isn't that great but it's something....I like who's on Sulfurs better, but the last three times I've used that suggestion, Its because the mafia were on the other side and enough townies on the ML anyway
I'm going with KS.

THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 16 2015 21:43 GMT
#1560
Well now you are doing the same thing everyone always does and complaining about my style of posting. THat is how I post. You even observed the game where I got mislynched as a blue for my posting style, and now your point against my case is that it isnt stylized how you like?????????????????????????????????? I wasn't going for a fucking summary post I was trying to thoroughly explain things the best I could.
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