EPTWhat exactly convinced you that batsnacks wasn't scum?
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
What exactly convinced you that batsnacks wasn't scum? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I'll take a look at geript's filter tonight, and re-evaluate. I'm just frustrated that after all that, we ended up lynching town. I really thought we were looking good. Batsnacks is still probably town. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote: I quite like lynching Scot. What would your reasons for this be? | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Yeah after you thought he was scum for most of the game. And that didn't address my issue. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Trfels post sounds super scummy, we have only one flip so far but he says he thought we were llooking good with nobody flipped. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On June 14 2015 10:12 Oatsmaster wrote: What's your issue wave? Trfels post sounds super scummy, we have only one flip so far but he says he thought we were llooking good with nobody flipped. On June 14 2015 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Thoughts on the flip Oats? You swapped pretty handily onto geript without any exposition whatsoever after going ham on batsnacks forever. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on. If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
WaveofShadow, I don't understand how a player of your caliber can just vanish before the lynch and come back after it. You even came back after the later deadline. Can you please explain this? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On June 14 2015 10:20 Trfel wrote: Sulfurus, you need to say why you are scumreading me. You can't throw around suspicions with nothing behind them. WaveofShadow, I don't understand how a player of your caliber can just vanish before the lynch and come back after it. You even came back after the later deadline. Can you please explain this? What the fuck does 'a player of my calibre' have to do with being present in thread, even IF 'a player of my calibre' even meant anything? | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): ruXxar (0): Kickstart (0): Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): geript (8): Rels (1): On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote: Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking. If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu. ##Vote geript On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote: Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party. From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place. Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me. From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me  and geript seems to be the lynch.Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone Rels - So Sulfurus made five posts between these two reads - a bad read post on Damdred, and a few posts about lynching Trfel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=Sulfurus Sulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town" - Can you inform me how you came to this reasoning? Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 14 2015 10:40 WaveofShadow wrote: You know enough to be around at the deadline. If you can't be around at the deadline, I expect you to say so in advance, or have a really good reason.What the fuck does 'a player of my calibre' have to do with being present in thread, even IF 'a player of my calibre' even meant anything? While I wish that even the newest players would be around for the deadline, I have different standards for newbies and for veterans. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On June 14 2015 09:09 Damdred wrote: Umm Idk why Geript as confirmed town would have better reads than say... anyone left alive? That's not the point. geript's reads might not be "better" but they are "trustworthy." Pick any player left that you think is better at this game than geript is. Are that player's reads likely to be "better" than geript's? Maybe. But you don't know whether they are genuine, or if they are coming from a scum player. geript's reads might not be right, but at least we have reason to expect he was being honest with us. And his honest opinions are that Sulfurus and Rels would be good players to think about lynching, but that first and foremost, we should put a bullet in batsnacks. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On June 14 2015 11:52 n00bKing wrote: That's not the point. geript's reads might not be "better" but they are "trustworthy." Pick any player left that you think is better at this game than geript is. Are that player's reads likely to be "better" than geript's? Maybe. But you don't know whether they are genuine, or if they are coming from a scum player. geript's reads might not be right, but at least we have reason to expect he was being honest with us. And his honest opinions are that Sulfurus and Rels would be good players to think about lynching, but that first and foremost, we should put a bullet in batsnacks. This is so wrong.... so very very wrong | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On June 14 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: Let me guess. I fell for n00bKing's trap -> revealed I'm Mafia -> fact I'm agreeing with n00bking afterwards is desperate attempt to cover it up -> continuously pulling newb card -> lynch him? Maybe? It's definitely true that you are "continuously pulling newb card." I thought it was pretty funny when you were bashing batsnacks for his poor attitude this game, because he was making scumreads by only "skimming" the thread. Yet you apparently couldn't even be bothered to read Page 1, because you asked if we know how many mafia players there are, and then you edited a post, and then you asked what a Carl is. You asked me to re-read your post, in the context that you hadn't noticed geript had flipped Town. That mostly works, but the problem I have with it is where you say "Lol, I don't think anything is certain after this." To me, that sounds like "Well now that we saw geript was Town, after so many people were so sure he was scum, I don't think anything is certain." I can't PROVE that's what you meant, that's just how it reads to me. I also don't especially care for the fact that the last post made before geript flips Green is you doing a half-assed job of second-guessing the lynch on geript, because you're "so confused." That could be read as you trying to disassociate yourself from the mislynch on geript that you know is about to happen (but without being so obvious about it as to actually move your vote). | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
He's playing his own game by his own rules evidently. Whatever I'm decently sure he's not scum so I'll just ignore him I guess. And that useless jab from Trfel as well. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
How so? Why do you think geript's reads aren't trustworthy, even if they could still be inaccurate? Why do you think he wouldn't be honest with us, on his way out the door? He's going to try and mislead us, just out of spite, because he's pissed about being mislynched? This is a Newbie game. Saying a post like mine is "very very wrong" without giving a single drop of explanation WHY it's wrong, does not serve the Town's interests. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Firstly i'm going to take out the wagons that ended up with 0 votes to start with, and also the scratched people presently. I'll dedicate a post later to talking about vote changes (maybe in this post on some people) to determine some alignments if I can. Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript, This is what we end up with (cleaned up version) Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript, First thing I do is color in Geript with a bold and a green since hes flipped to the thread. Secondly since im not confirmed to the thread but to myself (go me) i'm putting myself as green. I'd rather not have to right out a town case currently for myself so just trust me for now. Two easiest town reads are now colored in green for me. Batsnacks I've covered pretty extensively in my earlier filter, if you want the longer case its in my filter go read it a bit. But to add on a bit, Bats made a decent point and pushed it. Thought he found a slip and pushed it, he led the lynch on Geript even fi he flipped town. Scum bats is really back seat he does try to cause confusion. However at this end of day he was really useful he was calm and acted really towny with how he went about the lynch. This guy might be the most town I've ever seen Bats be before, if he did this as scum i'm pretty impressed. Trfel, is town also. Made some excellent points on Rel, but ended up sheeping Batsnacks around the same time I did. The posts that Trfel did make were some of the longer cases I thought were pretty good and factually sound. Though some people might disagree with them It hought they were really good and showed a clear understanding of what was going on. Also Trfel knows my kryptonite somewhat and how to abuse me in a thread without seeming scummy for it and chose to try to work with me and give me time instead of coming down hard on me. Its also partially a tone read and how the involvement in the thread is going. i'm pretty confident that Trfel is town here. Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript, Ruxxar is one of my scum leans currently. I won't take credit for the initial find of the post where he switched votes from bats to Geript. (Wave gets credit for pointing it out) He shows very little consistency with how his reads change and how he approaches the thread, for example when bats makes his push on Geript he showed very little suspicion for someone that was hard scum reading Bats and thought that he was the best lynch in the entire game. Also he gave kickstart a town lean for almost no reason when he was suspicious of him before. He also has expanded his filter with a lot of talk about speculation and about claims and how to handl blues etc. Overall I think hes decently scummy and should be lookd at harder. WaveofShadow is another decent town lean currently. He shows genuine interest in figuring out peoples alignments, he pushes on people and is searching to find scum when he is here. One of the negatives I have is that sometimes he feels a little passive in the way that he does things at the same time. I know for instance he asked me several questions that I just didn't answer at the time and still haven't answered (I believe) and even though I've been in the thread with him he just hasn't cared. So he worries me a little bit but i'm generally paranoid of him also, plus he soft pushed geript a little bit. Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, sulfurus, geript (8): Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337 Rels (1): geript, Moosy I think is town, I would look at him more later, and its mostly just a gut feeling. He feels really honest to me and just confused at points. I think hes town. Tone read on scott, and his postings just feel like his towny self. Good direction I feel like at points. I am going to end this here for now, I don't have the attention span to go through everything. I'll try to finish reads before the morning on the others. I'm still leaning scum on Rels and kickstarts activity is worrying and lack of real content compared to his other games. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On June 14 2015 12:14 n00bKing wrote: How so? Why do you think geript's reads aren't trustworthy, even if they could still be inaccurate? Why do you think he wouldn't be honest with us, on his way out the door? He's going to try and mislead us, just out of spite, because he's pissed about being mislynched? This is a Newbie game. Saying a post like mine is "very very wrong" without giving a single drop of explanation WHY it's wrong, does not serve the Town's interests. Geript is a person, people are generally wrong. This is day one even good players are more often than not wrong on d1. I'm not saying geript wasn't being honest with anything. I'm saying following someones reads when you lynch them is the wrong thing to do. And a good way to lose a game, lets say you follow Geripts reads. Shoot bats he flips town, lynch X they flip town. Then what happens you are in lylo because you followed someones reads instead of developed something else as the days went on. I've already explained this but i'll rephrase, just because someone can be trusted once they are flipped doesn't mean that they should be followed necessarily. Though granted he might have some good points on people, the only reason he wanted bats shot was because he thought he was being stupid. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On June 14 2015 12:18 Damdred wrote: Geript is a person, people are generally wrong. This is day one even good players are more often than not wrong on d1. I'm not saying geript wasn't being honest with anything. I'm saying following someones reads when you lynch them is the wrong thing to do. And a good way to lose a game, lets say you follow Geripts reads. Shoot bats he flips town, lynch X they flip town. Then what happens you are in lylo because you followed someones reads instead of developed something else as the days went on. I've already explained this but i'll rephrase, just because someone can be trusted once they are flipped doesn't mean that they should be followed necessarily. There isn't anything in here that disagrees with a single word of what I posted. I stated and re-stated that geript's reads could easily be mistaken. But we can expect his reads to be honest. So although I never advocated the idea of blindly or mindlessly following his recommendations, knowing that they came from an honest source could act as a helpful tie-breaker for someone. On June 14 2015 12:18 Damdred wrote: the only reason he wanted bats shot was because he thought he was being stupid. I do not think geript's irrationality reached those kinds of heights. Batsnacks "being stupid" is not a good enough reason to insist that a vigilante should burn his one and only bullet on him, if you don't think there's a reasonable chance of him actually flipping red. | ||
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