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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 21 2015 02:18 GMT
#2261
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On June 21 2015 11:03 Kickstart wrote:
Sure you are.
Lets gather a list of who Oats has called scummy.


Day1
Starts the game off with a retarded push on bats and thus starts the day1 nonsense where bats was a very possible lynch candidate.
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On June 12 2015 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
Hi friends.

A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.

aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)

##Vote: Oatsmaster


why would you do this.
On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:

  1. don't claim your role
  2. find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
  3. say why this 1 person is mafia
  4. do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.

1. Im vt.
2. Bats is mafia.
3. Chezinu rule.

##vote Bats


Here again he is pushing the retarded bats read but notice him also hedging his bet on geript, WHO HE VOTES FOR LATER ANYWAYS.
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On June 12 2015 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Can we just kill bats?
Its super obvious, he voted someone that claimed VT.

meh geript, he seems interested and it really feels more like lynchbait than mafia.


First time he says I'm scum, in his typical shit reasons fashion. Though I guess with oats him giving a shit reason is a rarity cause as you will see he usually doesn't give any reason at all.
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On June 12 2015 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ì wanna lynch kickstart man.

That case is forcing a read hard.


Voted on noobs, justification being noobs had just posted long advice posts instead of scumhunting.
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On June 12 2015 17:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote Noob

He later took his vote off with a good point about noob continuing to post advice even after called out. But again scum could easily make such a point.
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On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

So you're voting along with scum? Interesting.


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt?

Dont like that at all.
Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread.

Geript too btw.

I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop.

Notice the continual hedging of his reads and the flip flops. Here he does it while setting up to move his vote on geript. Notice also that up until this point he has only ever pushed for votes on people that are all confirmed town, 3 people not one of them scum. 4 town he pushed on if you count myself as I do.

Still in day 1, still willing to lynch whoever has the wagons and still hasn't pushed any original and meaningful reads.
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On June 13 2015 18:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would lynch geript if we don't lynch bats.


More nonsense on day 1, again all on confirmed towns:
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On June 14 2015 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets lynch geript kk.

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On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
Lynch geript.

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On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr



Night1/Day2
Oats posting around flips is ridiculous in general but this one is pretty good. After only arguing with bats for the entirety of day and bats being the main person he pushes, after the geript flip here is his defense for hoping on the geript wagon:
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On June 14 2015 09:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 14 2015 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr

Thoughts on the flip Oats?
You swapped pretty handily onto geript without any exposition whatsoever after going ham on batsnacks forever.

I thought bats looked town.

LOL at the blatant lies. Read his day1 filter and aside from the meaningless points his filter is only him 'pressuring'/arguing with/about bats. But he thought he was town, riiiiiiiiiiight.

He also picks up his calling almost everyone mafia. I didn't mention it earlier but he did earlier and here call sulfurus possible mafia, but note that he does not stick to this read or even push sulf at any point in the game. Even when sulf was lynched his vote wasn't there.
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On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like lynching Scot.

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On June 14 2015 10:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
What's your issue wave?
Trfels post sounds super scummy, we have only one flip so far but he says he thought we were llooking good with nobody flipped.

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On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.

Sulph / damdred mafia.

Scott also maybe.

Just his usual causing a shitstorm and being non-committal and non-helpful.

Then we have the whole day2 vote situation in which oats looks bad in every way imaginable around this flip. First, hes been calling sulf scum but doesn't push the sulf lynch and his vote didn't even end up there it stayed on me.

The wagon on me is picking up steam, he goes from being so ridiculously against it to just saying ok fine and voting me and leaving his vote there:
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On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.


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On June 16 2015 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kickstart is pretty damn obviously town and him not doing anything doesn't really diminish his start. Like this is a super easy lynch for scum to push because Kickstart 's attitude sucks and a pretty predictable response will come.

Let's lynch ruxxar instead.

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On June 16 2015 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Seriously why the hell is kickstart a better lynch.
Can someone like trfel give me one reason that doesn't include the words activity and promises.

all that only to then do this:
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On June 16 2015 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred, do you want to lynch kickstart or not?

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On June 16 2015 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Pretty ok case I guess. Dammit I hate being a wrong but now kickstart actually looks like mafia.

It's weird that sulph wants to lynch me rather than kickstart though.


If I looked so towny and sulf looks so bad why the fuck wasn't his vote on sulf.


Day3
After the vote he gets even more ridiculous saying that no one can be confirmed town after this lynch. I'm just annoyed looking through his filter. Instead of trying to figure anything out or do anything productive when we just got the godfather to flip he just shits up the thread.

But when all else fails, oats goes back to his usual just calling everyone mafia with no reasons:
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On June 17 2015 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yea OK I don't agree with that trfel.

Hey Scott, why aren't you waiting for rel to flip before making a shitty association case?
Scum is in scott / kickstart / rux maybe, I remember something made him scummy, gotta check.

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On June 17 2015 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah, sorry Scott, that's not actually a case, just observation.

I ddidn't explain my scum reads cause I didn't think it was all that important.

Also I totally forgot about Damdred lol.
Damdred mafia.

Also, I never explained a reason for you to be mafia, so it can't be shit. Damdred should just know better than to townhunt rather than scumhunt


After the sulf flip he tries to paint me and damdred as the most likely scum at this point? That is just so retarded it still boggles my mind. I was the first vote on sulf and damdred was the second and oats tries to argue for a long time that neither of us really thought he was scum and our votes mean nothing because we could have bused him. Just ridiculous.


Anyways to shorten this down , oats tries to push on damdred or scott for the next lynch, both of which are confirmed town now. Now look at his current play and of all the people to say are scummy he is trying to push wave or me as being the scummiest???? Get real.

I suggest you all to read his filter. The only thing that ever made me reconsider was his early talking about sulf but then when it counted it amounted to literally nothing. If oats is town here then we just blame the loss on him because his play has been ridiculous. Again, read his filter, the whole thing is bad.



Pretty much all I wanted to say.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2015 02:20 GMT
#2262
Lol kick, why would I switch to you if I'm mafia. Can you explain that? Why don't I just lynch sulf especially since I can make up a real good reason why he's mafia.

The bad thing about this is that I definitely will look like town if I'm mafia.
I think wave is mafia because he didn't die.
I think you are mafia because the only thing on your mind the past 3 days is lynching me. When there are still 2 mafia alive.
Why do you say I'm hedging my vote just cause I call more than one person mafia at a time?

Also how am I the only person to think that Scott and damdred were mafia. Everyone in the game thought they were mafia.
No gg, No skill.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 21 2015 02:22 GMT
#2263
Here's something for you oats:

Put together a case on who you think is mafia.
Shouldn't be hard.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 21 2015 02:22 GMT
#2264
Please make sure it's longer than 2 lines, thank you.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 21 2015 02:40 GMT
#2265
On June 21 2015 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol kick, why would I switch to you if I'm mafia. Can you explain that? Why don't I just lynch sulf especially since I can make up a real good reason why he's mafia.

The bad thing about this is that I definitely will look like town if I'm mafia.
I think wave is mafia because he didn't die.
I think you are mafia because the only thing on your mind the past 3 days is lynching me. When there are still 2 mafia alive.
Why do you say I'm hedging my vote just cause I call more than one person mafia at a time?

Also how am I the only person to think that Scott and damdred were mafia. Everyone in the game thought they were mafia.


If you were mafia it could be any number of reasons. I'm not going to answer why you didnt lynch sulf because I directed that question to you really. If you thought he was so scummy, why didn't you vote to lynch him and instead lynch me after going on a 3 post rant about how obviously towny I am but then leaving your vote on me.

Wave looks really townie, if your only argument for a lynch on him is that he is so towny mafia should have killed him therefor you think he is mafia, then I am not buying what you are selling. I am aware there are 2 mafia, and I have consistently said that I think it is you and then rels/ruxxar. Just because I am most certain about you doesn't mean I have lost sight of the fact that there are 2 scum left..............
You are hedging your votes because several times you have said so and so are towny but then voted for them or said so and so are scummy and didnt. I can think of at least 3 instances. Said geript was town, voted him. Said I was town, voted me. Said sulf was scummy, didnt vote him. You spout out town and mafia reads but don't stick to them and don't give good reasons.

Only a few people thought damdred was mafia, and why they did I will never know. I was pretty adamant that he wasn't given the way he was playing was consistent with his town play in my previous game with him and given the day2 events it was very unlikely he was scum. The people who thought he was scummy were playing with their paranoia and not their rationality.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 21 2015 02:52 GMT
#2266
On June 21 2015 10:44 ruXxar wrote:
Also, why is damdred more scummy than oats?

I had a lot of feels on him mostly.
I've always been notoriously bad at reading Oats but I do my best to continue attempts. The start of the game had his activity really strong, a lot of good question and good pushing, but later on as the game progressed this devolved into typical nonsensical questioning/voting/pushing as per usual Oats fashion and I have seen him do the same as both alignments.

Reading over Kickstart's case I actually can see some good reasoning behind some of the quotes Kickstart outlines as bad, but there are way more of them that I can't explain away as town for the rest.

Damdred on the other hand I had outlined multiple times. Ignoring the lack of activity (as I always give people the benefit of the doubt when they have RL excuses for things. Except BH lol) when he WAS here I think I can count TWO posts by him that were as I would expect from a town Damdred. Damdred as town is a force to be feared and while sometimes he takes a while to get going or some of his posting is shitposting, his good:uselessness ratio has never been as bad as this in any town game I've ever played with him.
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 21 2015 02:58 GMT
#2267
On June 21 2015 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2015 10:44 ruXxar wrote:
Also, why is damdred more scummy than oats?

I had a lot of feels on him mostly.
I've always been notoriously bad at reading Oats but I do my best to continue attempts. The start of the game had his activity really strong, a lot of good question and good pushing, but later on as the game progressed this devolved into typical nonsensical questioning/voting/pushing as per usual Oats fashion and I have seen him do the same as both alignments.

Reading over Kickstart's case I actually can see some good reasoning behind some of the quotes Kickstart outlines as bad, but there are way more of them that I can't explain away as town for the rest.

Damdred on the other hand I had outlined multiple times. Ignoring the lack of activity (as I always give people the benefit of the doubt when they have RL excuses for things. Except BH lol) when he WAS here I think I can count TWO posts by him that were as I would expect from a town Damdred. Damdred as town is a force to be feared and while sometimes he takes a while to get going or some of his posting is shitposting, his good:uselessness ratio has never been as bad as this in any town game I've ever played with him.


I still don't see how after the sulf lynch people could of had damdred as their top scum read. To me it will never make sense. unfortunately our hatter also scum read him and blew him up instead of someone actually scummy like oats...

Though I think people should be focusing on who they think is most likely to be scum atm instead of other pointless things that they seem to be focusing on.

Most important thing now is hitting scum so people need to be pushing their top scum reads.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 21 2015 02:59 GMT
#2268
On June 21 2015 10:59 ruXxar wrote:
Wave, do you think there is a cop or not?
It's likely since there is a godfather right?

I've been mulling this over actually. I've never played a mini game with quite this much potential role variation. Off the top of my head I've never even SEEN a mini where mad hatter was possible I don't think. It's honestly tough to say whether we have a cop or not especially since nobody has claimed at this point where arguable we have very little lose if they do. I think in most of the minis I've seen where you can have GF and no cop it was semi-open, that is there are a number of known potential setups (3-5 or so) and once some roles are revealed scum and town can both begin to guess what the other roles are. I don't know how Onegu balanced this game and I'm not going to presume to try and find out. I especially don't think role discussion helps us out here just as it didn't earlier unless someone comes forward.

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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 21 2015 03:01 GMT
#2269
On June 21 2015 11:58 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2015 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 21 2015 10:44 ruXxar wrote:
Also, why is damdred more scummy than oats?

I had a lot of feels on him mostly.
I've always been notoriously bad at reading Oats but I do my best to continue attempts. The start of the game had his activity really strong, a lot of good question and good pushing, but later on as the game progressed this devolved into typical nonsensical questioning/voting/pushing as per usual Oats fashion and I have seen him do the same as both alignments.

Reading over Kickstart's case I actually can see some good reasoning behind some of the quotes Kickstart outlines as bad, but there are way more of them that I can't explain away as town for the rest.

Damdred on the other hand I had outlined multiple times. Ignoring the lack of activity (as I always give people the benefit of the doubt when they have RL excuses for things. Except BH lol) when he WAS here I think I can count TWO posts by him that were as I would expect from a town Damdred. Damdred as town is a force to be feared and while sometimes he takes a while to get going or some of his posting is shitposting, his good:uselessness ratio has never been as bad as this in any town game I've ever played with him.


I still don't see how after the sulf lynch people could of had damdred as their top scum read. To me it will never make sense. unfortunately our hatter also scum read him and blew him up instead of someone actually scummy like oats...

Though I think people should be focusing on who they think is most likely to be scum atm instead of other pointless things that they seem to be focusing on.

Most important thing now is hitting scum so people need to be pushing their top scum reads.

This is why I like you for town. I have an odd question for you.
If you were here on D2, what do you think you would have done?
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 21 2015 03:01 GMT
#2270
It doesn't. If there is a cop or any other role that has info they will come forward now. Now lets all move on and focus on who scum is.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 21 2015 03:04 GMT
#2271
Kickstart your case on Oats is pretty solid aside from a couple things:
a) Have you ever played with Oats before?
b) Would a scum Oats be completely unconcerned with his voting, where it ended up and all the switching he has done?

Also, why is Rels your second scum?
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 21 2015 03:04 GMT
#2272
On June 21 2015 12:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2015 11:58 Kickstart wrote:
On June 21 2015 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 21 2015 10:44 ruXxar wrote:
Also, why is damdred more scummy than oats?

I had a lot of feels on him mostly.
I've always been notoriously bad at reading Oats but I do my best to continue attempts. The start of the game had his activity really strong, a lot of good question and good pushing, but later on as the game progressed this devolved into typical nonsensical questioning/voting/pushing as per usual Oats fashion and I have seen him do the same as both alignments.

Reading over Kickstart's case I actually can see some good reasoning behind some of the quotes Kickstart outlines as bad, but there are way more of them that I can't explain away as town for the rest.

Damdred on the other hand I had outlined multiple times. Ignoring the lack of activity (as I always give people the benefit of the doubt when they have RL excuses for things. Except BH lol) when he WAS here I think I can count TWO posts by him that were as I would expect from a town Damdred. Damdred as town is a force to be feared and while sometimes he takes a while to get going or some of his posting is shitposting, his good:uselessness ratio has never been as bad as this in any town game I've ever played with him.


I still don't see how after the sulf lynch people could of had damdred as their top scum read. To me it will never make sense. unfortunately our hatter also scum read him and blew him up instead of someone actually scummy like oats...

Though I think people should be focusing on who they think is most likely to be scum atm instead of other pointless things that they seem to be focusing on.

Most important thing now is hitting scum so people need to be pushing their top scum reads.

This is why I like you for town. I have an odd question for you.
If you were here on D2, what do you think you would have done?


Hard for me to say honestly. I mean for most of the game I have been pretty lazy unfortunately. Only thing that got me to sort of care was me about to be mislynched in a situation that would have been extremely bad for town (no information gained) and now we are at a lynch we can't fuck up on. If I had to guess I would have probably pushed on sulf/ruxx at that point as it was before oats ridiculous play/reactions around the sulf lynch so I wouldn't have been as hell bent on him as I am now and I was suspicious of mainly sulf and ruxx that early on.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 21 2015 03:07 GMT
#2273
On June 21 2015 12:04 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2015 12:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 21 2015 11:58 Kickstart wrote:
On June 21 2015 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 21 2015 10:44 ruXxar wrote:
Also, why is damdred more scummy than oats?

I had a lot of feels on him mostly.
I've always been notoriously bad at reading Oats but I do my best to continue attempts. The start of the game had his activity really strong, a lot of good question and good pushing, but later on as the game progressed this devolved into typical nonsensical questioning/voting/pushing as per usual Oats fashion and I have seen him do the same as both alignments.

Reading over Kickstart's case I actually can see some good reasoning behind some of the quotes Kickstart outlines as bad, but there are way more of them that I can't explain away as town for the rest.

Damdred on the other hand I had outlined multiple times. Ignoring the lack of activity (as I always give people the benefit of the doubt when they have RL excuses for things. Except BH lol) when he WAS here I think I can count TWO posts by him that were as I would expect from a town Damdred. Damdred as town is a force to be feared and while sometimes he takes a while to get going or some of his posting is shitposting, his good:uselessness ratio has never been as bad as this in any town game I've ever played with him.


I still don't see how after the sulf lynch people could of had damdred as their top scum read. To me it will never make sense. unfortunately our hatter also scum read him and blew him up instead of someone actually scummy like oats...

Though I think people should be focusing on who they think is most likely to be scum atm instead of other pointless things that they seem to be focusing on.

Most important thing now is hitting scum so people need to be pushing their top scum reads.

This is why I like you for town. I have an odd question for you.
If you were here on D2, what do you think you would have done?


Hard for me to say honestly. I mean for most of the game I have been pretty lazy unfortunately. Only thing that got me to sort of care was me about to be mislynched in a situation that would have been extremely bad for town (no information gained) and now we are at a lynch we can't fuck up on. If I had to guess I would have probably pushed on sulf/ruxx at that point as it was before oats ridiculous play/reactions around the sulf lynch so I wouldn't have been as hell bent on him as I am now and I was suspicious of mainly sulf and ruxx that early on.

Lol I'm glad I voted you early then :D
Yeah ladies and gents, Kickstart is not a lynch for today. Thought process is too easy to follow, too fluid, too natural.
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 21 2015 03:13 GMT
#2274
On June 21 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kickstart your case on Oats is pretty solid aside from a couple things:
a) Have you ever played with Oats before?
b) Would a scum Oats be completely unconcerned with his voting, where it ended up and all the switching he has done?

Also, why is Rels your second scum?


a) Yes but it was a long time ago and he was scum and he died in the first lynch. So I don't really have much to draw from. That game was in late 2012 so yeah. While I find myself annoyed by the same things there are marked differences from when he was scum then, but again the game was very much different so its hard for me to draw valid comparisons. In that game we both immediately got into a fight than neither of us were backing down from so one of us was going to get lynched day1, happened to be him and he happened to be scum.
But yeah I don't really have any meta im drawing from no.

b) This question kind of assumes I know how oats plays but I don't know so can't answer this really. This comes down to the too bad to be mafia argument which I truly loathe, the problem is I think oats is bad. So either he is mafia or he is bad, and at this point in the game neither is good for us because we can't afford to myslynch. Given the predicament we are in and the fact that his best guesses at who scum are is you and myself I think he is scum. I mean everything he does and every case he makes is just bad. Like I said if he is town he should really be ashamed of himself this game.

I think rels/ruxxar are most likely to be the last scum after oats. Honestly I just called out rels as more likely atm because he annoyed me with a misrepresentation of my posting. And if anyone knows anything about my play its that this is what pisses me off most. with this post here mainly:
On June 21 2015 08:18 Rels wrote:
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On June 21 2015 08:12 Kickstart wrote:
Don't like the position we are in. Oats deserves to die but if he is town then he fucked all of us by deciding to not play this game. If he is town now is the time for him to do something, otherwise he is still the best lynch.

You posted the same thing for scott. Why do you believe it will be different this time ?



I look at it like this. If I look for who I think is most scummy I get to oats. If I go through who is most towny/who has put in the most effort, oats is at the bottom. So to me oats is by far the best lynch for now.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2015 03:14 GMT
#2275
Man do I really have to pos. "oh iI think bats is town. ?
Isn't obvious when I vote that I think a certain person is townier or scummier???
I voted for kickstart because I thought trfels case was good and I have been burned a lotta times by afk townies, aka damdred.

You know, when someone says someone else is scummy it doesn't mean that he is the scummiest. I thought I made it pretty damn obvious by my voting that it was the person I thought was the scummiest.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2015 03:15 GMT
#2276
On June 21 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kickstart your case on Oats is pretty solid aside from a couple things:
a) Have you ever played with Oats before?
b) Would a scum Oats be completely unconcerned with his voting, where it ended up and all the switching he has done?

Also, why is Rels your second scum?

Didn't I wreck you as mafia before lol.

I'm telling you guys, if I'm mafia, I look like a bunch of roses right now, this game is so easy to look good if you know alignments.
No gg, No skill.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 21 2015 03:21 GMT
#2277
To expand on the PoE leading to oats. Wave and Trfel have been top town reads the entire game really, for not just myself but everyone really. They have both been strong recently (aside from the suspicion on damdred but we will never know how that would have played out because he got blown up, therefor I don't think it is the best thing to take into account because we can't be sure how it would have played out) and I agree with both of their posts and think they are logical and easy to follow. Sure they could be mafia but I think the chances at this point are so low compared to the other players that they aren't worth lynching.
With rels and ruxxar it is harder to say but they have both been very active. The reason their activity doesn't buy them top town reads like it has for wave and trfel is because, at least for me, their thought process and posts haven't been as clear and logical and clearly town motivated. Both are prone to asking more questions than pushing scum reads and they get lost in things that to me are meaningless and unproductive. That said they are both on the noobie list so that is fine, and when they are uinder pressure they have the useful ability of being able to shit town rainbows.

And then you have oats who has done none of the things that has made me feel the others may be town.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 21 2015 03:25 GMT
#2278
Oats your arguments at the moment are literally 'I am too obviously mafia to be mafia'/'I played so bad I can't be mafia' and 'Wave is so towny mafia should have killed him but he isnt dead so he is mafia'.

Like I said, if you are town, then you are just being terrible. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously if at this point in the game you use that argument to defend anyone and the other to accuse anyone of being scum. I mean come on. I'm basically begging you at this point if you are town to fucking show it yet you are content to just say 'im town because if mafia did this they would be so bad' and 'guys wave is mafia because hes so obvious town'. I just don't even know what to say to you at this point aside from you really leave me with no choice but to pin you as scum.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 21 2015 03:26 GMT
#2279
On June 21 2015 12:13 Kickstart wrote:
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On June 21 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kickstart your case on Oats is pretty solid aside from a couple things:
a) Have you ever played with Oats before?
b) Would a scum Oats be completely unconcerned with his voting, where it ended up and all the switching he has done?

Also, why is Rels your second scum?


a) Yes but it was a long time ago and he was scum and he died in the first lynch. So I don't really have much to draw from. That game was in late 2012 so yeah. While I find myself annoyed by the same things there are marked differences from when he was scum then, but again the game was very much different so its hard for me to draw valid comparisons. In that game we both immediately got into a fight than neither of us were backing down from so one of us was going to get lynched day1, happened to be him and he happened to be scum.
But yeah I don't really have any meta im drawing from no.

b) This question kind of assumes I know how oats plays but I don't know so can't answer this really. This comes down to the too bad to be mafia argument which I truly loathe, the problem is I think oats is bad. So either he is mafia or he is bad, and at this point in the game neither is good for us because we can't afford to myslynch. Given the predicament we are in and the fact that his best guesses at who scum are is you and myself I think he is scum. I mean everything he does and every case he makes is just bad. Like I said if he is town he should really be ashamed of himself this game.

I think rels/ruxxar are most likely to be the last scum after oats. Honestly I just called out rels as more likely atm because he annoyed me with a misrepresentation of my posting. And if anyone knows anything about my play its that this is what pisses me off most. with this post here mainly:
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On June 21 2015 08:18 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2015 08:12 Kickstart wrote:
Don't like the position we are in. Oats deserves to die but if he is town then he fucked all of us by deciding to not play this game. If he is town now is the time for him to do something, otherwise he is still the best lynch.

You posted the same thing for scott. Why do you believe it will be different this time ?



I look at it like this. If I look for who I think is most scummy I get to oats. If I go through who is most towny/who has put in the most effort, oats is at the bottom. So to me oats is by far the best lynch for now.

Essentially the reason I ask is because the lack of caring and vote switching that you mostly call him out for I've seen him do as both alignments. I've also noticed you're a little biased against people who call you out (as is you just said and as is evidence by those sections in your case against Oats---I'm pretty sure I actually agreed with him at the time when he said it looked like you were forcing a read). Like you said if he's town he's playing like shit now. Ultimately what might make him scum for me is a couple things specifically:

On June 16 2015 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Pretty ok case I guess. Dammit I hate being a wrong but now kickstart actually looks like mafia.

It's weird that sulph wants to lynch me rather than kickstart though.


This is the worst of it by far. The random vote switching and nonsensical voting on its own is just shit play from either alignment (see all the times he makes very little sense and I argue with him) but here he actually attempts to weakly justify to make himself look better after pushing SO strongly because it was immediately obvious to him how bad it looked after doing so. With the other votes he can say shit like 'vote moosy' because he didn't have a whole lot to say about them before, he can look confident because people aren't likely to simply vote him because he votes for terrible choices without good reasons. When he tries to vote for someone a lot of people are paying attention to, however, he gets more self-conscious and it immediately stands out.

Another one that really gets to me is the fact that he was perfectly capable of looking good early game (at least to me) and his ability to do so has decreased in proportion to the population of town decreasing. I don't think that is coincidence, I think it is because he is less and less able to hide and less able to intersperse good commenbts with shit ones as the game goes on.

In short, I agree with you that Oats is likely scum here, BUT since I haven't looked into Trfel/Ruxxar/Rels yet I'm going to hold off on how I want to proceed because I want to make sure everything makes sense together. At this point in the game associations are necessary. I think you should do the same.

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I should also mention I have another little trap set up related to this as my last one surprisingly didn't come to fruition as I expected it would.


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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 21 2015 03:28 GMT
#2280
You actually don't seem that tunnelled.

You aren't wrong about the effort thing but why would I be so wrong as mafia?????

The reason I don't think it's rels or ruxxar is that both of them have really odd interactions with sulf one of them, sulf called town, the other one called sulf 100% town.
If one of them is mafia, I guess it would be rux but I just don't think that right now. So my pool of candidates is trfel you and wave. All trfel has done this game is post cases and analysis of people which actually isn't great.

Wave's town read on you was fast as shit though. He asked like 2 simple questions and then was like " OK 100% town. He's pocketing you.
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