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Never had time to do reread 'cause weekend stuff, sorry
Not sure on the null/scum list tbh but I am confident the 2 scum are there.
Bye guys! It was a pleasure!
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Ruxxar rels trfel kickstart oats bats damdred Never had time to do reread 'cause weekend stuff, sorry Not sure on the null/scum list tbh but I am confident the 2 scum are there. Bye guys! It was a pleasure! | ||
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On June 21 2015 10:04 Kickstart wrote: First of all whatever rels quoted me saying about scott isn't even close to the same thing. Dunno what universe he is in. Rels+oats scum team imo. Oats saying be not liking his play is too much of a compliment to himself. He hasn't been playing. My filter looks like that because you are scum. Just go through Oats filter, it is pathetic how he has played and miraculous that he hasn't been lynched. I told town they would be sorry if oats lived till mylo/lylo and yet here we are. Wave and trfel arent scummy atm at all and if they are are scum fine they can win. Oats is most scummy followed by rels/ruxxar and like I been saying forever oats needs to be lynched. Imo at this point in time nobody should be off the table. I love Oats 'pre-empting the OMGUS' so if/when I come after he can try and make me look bad. lol Oats you should know very well that would never work. I'm going to do some massive re-reading as the night progresses. Going to leave all my reads at the door. | ||
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On June 21 2015 10:08 Kickstart wrote: Ill make this real easy in fact. I refuse to move my vote. So you can vote with me and hit mafia or vote whoever mafia is trying to push and lose the game. ##vote Oatsmaster This is not a good way to progress. | ||
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Preliminary thoughts: Killing bats over me/Trfel/Kickstart would suggest that at least one of us is scum (scumteam very well could be Kickstart/Trfel). Damdred not being killed suggests that it's a player who is not aware of his potential (Ruxxar/Rels/Kickstart)? Trfel not being killed....? Not killing me suggests a player who is aware I am legitimately terrible at solving a game (Oats)? I don't think NK answers anything for me tbh. Especially since people might have been starting to turn around on bats. Ruxxar pre-EON WIFOM also really struck a nerve with me and it aggravates me because I have no idea whether it affected the NK or not AND whether or not it's by his own design. If he's town, I feel like newbie scum are way more likely to listen to what he said and leave Trfel/me alive if we're both town to attempt to frame...as such Kickstart's reaction to the NK fits for town both because he is not technically a newbie as he knows how the game works---'framing' is not usually a good scum play and were he scum and done that he wouldn't be trying to latch hardcore onto Oats when he has a good excuse to hit up either one of us (or just me if Trfel is scum). If ruxxar is scum it's easy setup to push one of us. Impossible to tell which. Conclusions: Feel ok about Kickstart to begin with. | ||
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I had you and Rels likely town for a while due to relative noobishness (and I was right on Moosy despite my doubts) while bats being wrong a whole bunch had my hackles up (and knowing he can be pretty cunning, I've lost to him before as scum). Kickstart I think I just threw there for shits. | ||
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On June 21 2015 10:44 ruXxar wrote: Also, why is damdred more scummy than oats? I had a lot of feels on him mostly. I've always been notoriously bad at reading Oats but I do my best to continue attempts. The start of the game had his activity really strong, a lot of good question and good pushing, but later on as the game progressed this devolved into typical nonsensical questioning/voting/pushing as per usual Oats fashion and I have seen him do the same as both alignments. Reading over Kickstart's case I actually can see some good reasoning behind some of the quotes Kickstart outlines as bad, but there are way more of them that I can't explain away as town for the rest. Damdred on the other hand I had outlined multiple times. Ignoring the lack of activity (as I always give people the benefit of the doubt when they have RL excuses for things. Except BH lol) when he WAS here I think I can count TWO posts by him that were as I would expect from a town Damdred. Damdred as town is a force to be feared and while sometimes he takes a while to get going or some of his posting is shitposting, his good:uselessness ratio has never been as bad as this in any town game I've ever played with him. | ||
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On June 21 2015 10:59 ruXxar wrote: Wave, do you think there is a cop or not? It's likely since there is a godfather right? I've been mulling this over actually. I've never played a mini game with quite this much potential role variation. Off the top of my head I've never even SEEN a mini where mad hatter was possible I don't think. It's honestly tough to say whether we have a cop or not especially since nobody has claimed at this point where arguable we have very little lose if they do. I think in most of the minis I've seen where you can have GF and no cop it was semi-open, that is there are a number of known potential setups (3-5 or so) and once some roles are revealed scum and town can both begin to guess what the other roles are. I don't know how Onegu balanced this game and I'm not going to presume to try and find out. I especially don't think role discussion helps us out here just as it didn't earlier unless someone comes forward. | ||
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On June 21 2015 11:58 Kickstart wrote: I still don't see how after the sulf lynch people could of had damdred as their top scum read. To me it will never make sense. unfortunately our hatter also scum read him and blew him up instead of someone actually scummy like oats... Though I think people should be focusing on who they think is most likely to be scum atm instead of other pointless things that they seem to be focusing on. Most important thing now is hitting scum so people need to be pushing their top scum reads. This is why I like you for town. I have an odd question for you. If you were here on D2, what do you think you would have done? | ||
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a) Have you ever played with Oats before? b) Would a scum Oats be completely unconcerned with his voting, where it ended up and all the switching he has done? Also, why is Rels your second scum? | ||
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On June 21 2015 12:04 Kickstart wrote: Hard for me to say honestly. I mean for most of the game I have been pretty lazy unfortunately. Only thing that got me to sort of care was me about to be mislynched in a situation that would have been extremely bad for town (no information gained) and now we are at a lynch we can't fuck up on. If I had to guess I would have probably pushed on sulf/ruxx at that point as it was before oats ridiculous play/reactions around the sulf lynch so I wouldn't have been as hell bent on him as I am now and I was suspicious of mainly sulf and ruxx that early on. Lol I'm glad I voted you early then :D Yeah ladies and gents, Kickstart is not a lynch for today. Thought process is too easy to follow, too fluid, too natural. | ||
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On June 21 2015 12:13 Kickstart wrote: a) Yes but it was a long time ago and he was scum and he died in the first lynch. So I don't really have much to draw from. That game was in late 2012 so yeah. While I find myself annoyed by the same things there are marked differences from when he was scum then, but again the game was very much different so its hard for me to draw valid comparisons. In that game we both immediately got into a fight than neither of us were backing down from so one of us was going to get lynched day1, happened to be him and he happened to be scum. But yeah I don't really have any meta im drawing from no. b) This question kind of assumes I know how oats plays but I don't know so can't answer this really. This comes down to the too bad to be mafia argument which I truly loathe, the problem is I think oats is bad. So either he is mafia or he is bad, and at this point in the game neither is good for us because we can't afford to myslynch. Given the predicament we are in and the fact that his best guesses at who scum are is you and myself I think he is scum. I mean everything he does and every case he makes is just bad. Like I said if he is town he should really be ashamed of himself this game. I think rels/ruxxar are most likely to be the last scum after oats. Honestly I just called out rels as more likely atm because he annoyed me with a misrepresentation of my posting. And if anyone knows anything about my play its that this is what pisses me off most. with this post here mainly: I look at it like this. If I look for who I think is most scummy I get to oats. If I go through who is most towny/who has put in the most effort, oats is at the bottom. So to me oats is by far the best lynch for now. Essentially the reason I ask is because the lack of caring and vote switching that you mostly call him out for I've seen him do as both alignments. I've also noticed you're a little biased against people who call you out (as is you just said and as is evidence by those sections in your case against Oats---I'm pretty sure I actually agreed with him at the time when he said it looked like you were forcing a read). Like you said if he's town he's playing like shit now. Ultimately what might make him scum for me is a couple things specifically: On June 16 2015 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Pretty ok case I guess. Dammit I hate being a wrong but now kickstart actually looks like mafia. It's weird that sulph wants to lynch me rather than kickstart though. This is the worst of it by far. The random vote switching and nonsensical voting on its own is just shit play from either alignment (see all the times he makes very little sense and I argue with him) but here he actually attempts to weakly justify to make himself look better after pushing SO strongly because it was immediately obvious to him how bad it looked after doing so. With the other votes he can say shit like 'vote moosy' because he didn't have a whole lot to say about them before, he can look confident because people aren't likely to simply vote him because he votes for terrible choices without good reasons. When he tries to vote for someone a lot of people are paying attention to, however, he gets more self-conscious and it immediately stands out. Another one that really gets to me is the fact that he was perfectly capable of looking good early game (at least to me) and his ability to do so has decreased in proportion to the population of town decreasing. I don't think that is coincidence, I think it is because he is less and less able to hide and less able to intersperse good commenbts with shit ones as the game goes on. In short, I agree with you that Oats is likely scum here, BUT since I haven't looked into Trfel/Ruxxar/Rels yet I'm going to hold off on how I want to proceed because I want to make sure everything makes sense together. At this point in the game associations are necessary. I think you should do the same. + Show Spoiler + I should also mention I have another little trap set up related to this as my last one surprisingly didn't come to fruition as I expected it would. | ||
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SO many things are impossible to come from a scum mindset, never mind a NEWBIE scum mindset. a) That kinda useless PoE 'corss two lists' thing he did yesterday. b) On June 20 2015 06:34 Rels wrote: Hello back (= Looks like scott gave up. Just have to wait for deadline then Scum would NEVER post something like this in thread. Would we way too paranoid about looking like shit. Also goes for other shit like this: On June 13 2015 07:16 Rels wrote: Re everyone. Welcome Dam and scott then! scott - I hated the only post of your predecessor, so I will probably push you super easily. Your posts atm are alright. Hard to be re-evaluating when not present. Don't know really, I just felt like this post would be super hard to fake. On June 17 2015 04:55 Rels wrote: Cant post much since I'm with my GF. The only people I'll agree to switch is scott. Sulfu is town and ruxxar is an easy mislynch I feel. c) Hard defense of sulf and scum read of Moosy when nobody was doing either. Sheer suicide and I don't see Rels being ballsy enough as a new player to be willing to fight the entire thread unless it was something he truly believes. d) Just been doing a shit ton of work in gerenal. While I don't always understand his thought processes (which is a minor red flag) I tack that on to newbie player. The only, ONLY thing I can see as being an issue is his need to announce to us absolutely everything he does which can on one hand be seen as a 'HEY GUYS LOOK AT ALL THIS AWESOME ANALYSIS IM DOING I MUST BE TOWN' or he's simply newbie town and all gung-ho about doing shit he deems useful. Second option still seems more likely here. Kickstart what did you say you had on him again? Scum between Oats/Trfel/Ruxxar ezpz. 66% chance boyysssss | ||
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On June 21 2015 13:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I was reading waves filter and he is totally mafia. I can't quite write why, but his actions after geript got lynched are weird. He said he tried to get the lynch off geript? Nope. And he didn't even repeat his sulph scum read until day 2 when sulph made a horrific post. This reads a lot to me like wave asking his teammate to buck it up but then sulph just can't so he bussed. You've been making shit up about me all game and now you continue. Show me where I said I tried to get the lynch off geript? And what do you mean I didn't repeat my scum read on Sulf until D2? You mean as opposed to N1 where we can't vote? lol Oats. Just fucking lol. I truly can't decide if too shit to be scum here. | ||
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On June 21 2015 14:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Right now wave, if you are town, you should be trying to convince me that you aren't mafia, rather than dismissing my shit just cause it's aimed at you. LOL In what world is that what I need to be doing as town? On June 21 2015 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I can't quote, takes forever. It was the first post after the flip. During the night you posted quite a lot of stuff but nothing reiterating your read on sulph. Other than your lis post, which I don't count. Then day 2, you only vote for him after you quoted a post which implies that you voted for him because of that post. And your read on sulph is nothing more than "shit posts, must be mafia." I dont know why you are angry with me for trying to play the game lol. In fact, it's too much. Like you are dismissing my read because I'm bad, not because the read is wrong. And where have I made up shit about you before. Find the quote Oats. You don't just get to throw unsubstantiated shit and me and get away with it. As for making shit up about me, you're right I just remember getting frustrated with you earlier because it was about me---it wasn't--- it was just you spouting nonsense and one misunderstanding of posts. AND, I haven't looked through Ruxxar yet. He may not be scum at all, but by PoE he has a 66% chance of flipping red. | ||
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On June 21 2015 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I really don't understand why you are so mad wave, unless you know I'm town. Because if you ARE town you're playing like balls and will likely lose us this game. | ||
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On June 14 2015 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah only thing I'll say about this but I feel like Geript was going down regardless of any errors. I certainly wasn't around to shout anything. As far as the lynch itself, I know I thought he was slipping earlier but that was one of the reasons I was attempting to re-evaluate him. Slips just aren't likely most of the time. I agree with this but I think there was also a decent chance Geript was scum outside of the supposed 'slip' and you could see that people were attempting to coordinate or starting to rally around the idea before Batsnacks' post. The question is, did scum see an easy out once he posted and jump on or ignore it entirely? At this point I'd go with the easy out option. I still see absolutely no reason why Sulfurus isn't scum here. AND him and Rels still looked scummier than Geript at the end of the day so some close evaluation is necessary. This is the Geript I was expecting to see throughout the day but he didn't show up. We listen to him I think. Also something really stood out to me reading over EOD as well and that's th stupid conversation between Noob and Ruxxar that everyone ignored. I ignored it too up until this point. Completely useless and irrelevant posting for pages, then ruxxar jumps in with this. I know everyone else jumped on as well but read through this and tell me it doesn't look like shit. Just ass-kissing of the worst degree, over emphasis on how his read developed and how bats was 'redeemed' when plenty of us found him townier way earlier. It looks like another case where he was just looking for a way to get off bats because keeping his vote there wasn't going to look so good with Rels/Sulf on the block. Go ahead Oats. Show me how I said I tried to get the lynch off Geript. | ||
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On June 21 2015 16:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey trfel, where did the whole thread sheep bats other than ontthe geirpt lynch? Wave, I'm gonna tell something you aren't going to like. The problem I have with that post is not that you said you defended geirpt, it is that you were gonna defend geirpt if you could. And the post you quoted was geript talking about scumslips not existing. How does that make him town?? Also you never answered the accusation that you never actually mention sulph other than in your list post on n1, and you only vote for sulph after he posts another horrible post. This makes you mafia because you wanted to try and save sulph but he messed up. It doesn't make him town, all I said was I wanted to look into him again but I didn't get the chance. And apparently the only thing that wouldn't have made me scum is to vote Sulf and talk about nothing but him right off the bat of D2? I talked about Sulfurus plenty up until that point, and pushed him as well. If I didn't decide to vote him until his terrible posting triggered me to remember to do so, then that's my prerogative and there is nothing even remotely scummy about it. The fact that it doesn't fit into whatever convoluted timeline you're attempting to come up with is meaningless. You are twisting anything and everything you can possibly find in your desperation but all it serves to do is make you look worse. You are grasping at the thinnest of straws to escape your fate, and why you have chosen me to latch on to I have no fucking clue. You would have had better chances with Rels or something. I'm going to tell you something you're not going to like. I'm done with you. I don't see how a town Oats could possibly play THIS horribly. Even for you. It reeks of scummy desperation and a bad choice of mislynch. ##vote: Oatsmaster Trfel/Ruxxar you're next. | ||
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On June 21 2015 17:23 Oatsmaster wrote: I havent attacked you. Or kickstart. Why are you saying that im throwing mud everywhere when Im only throwing it on like 3 people? its like trfel/wos/rux. Fucking LOL On June 21 2015 09:13 Oatsmaster wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2015 07:09 Kickstart wrote: Lol at bats failuire :D. Means he took out Damdred with him correct? -_______- Well that puts the damdred lynch nonsense to rest that some were pushing. I really think we kill oats here but we can't afford any mistakes so will see. On June 21 2015 06:52 Kickstart wrote: Doubt I'll die with some others still here but just in case, kill oats~ On June 21 2015 01:17 Kickstart wrote: Oats is so scummy here and should never have been allowed to live to this point. He is just starting shit fights and calling every single player in the game scum with 0 reasoning and then peacing out or telling every person who makes any point whatsoever that their point is bad or doesn't make sense while he himself gets hung up over the most useless things. Like this 'scumslip' he keeps going on about. It clearly wasn't a fucking scumslip because the guy flipped town so why the fuck oats is so hung up on it is beyond me, besides it being the new thing he can shit up the thread and argue with someone about without actually contributing in any way. If he turns out to be town he has been fucking useless and should feel bad. On June 20 2015 07:30 Kickstart wrote: zzzzzzzzzzz Was wanting to switch to oats but overslept and no one was here any fucking ways. Where does this put us. 2 mafia vs how many town still? 2v4? Nightkill we are 2v3. Yep, have to get the next one right boys. On June 19 2015 23:05 Kickstart wrote: So scot n oats still scummy to me. Only thing I want to note is if scott flips town I am going to have to have a look at bats and trfel for telling him to not talk to them because they aren't listening. I mean I think scott is scum too and trfel is like shitting town rainbows any time he decides to post but yeah. On June 19 2015 04:56 Kickstart wrote: Yeah I have no recent experience with oats so I can't speak to that. He just seems to give no fucks about the game or even trying to figure it out. He just comes in and nitpicks at peoples points or makes some insane mafia teams that make no sense. My only experience with him was 3 years ago and he was scum that game so he was much different. On June 19 2015 04:41 Kickstart wrote: He tends to sit back like this. But he does come in when it counts or when there is pressure and does decent then. That is how I felt he did day2 and that is why I like him for now. I would agree that other than the day2 he has been very under the radar but that is exactly how I felt about him in the 1 other games I played with him (thin it was just 1  ) and that is just how he plays. Scott is a good lynch today. My worry is with Oats is that he could be mafia or town and just being lazy, but if we allow him to live to mylo or lylo we are in a real bad spot having to try to read him, whereas almost everyone else would be easier to read at that point I think. That said we still have time and a scott lynch again looks the best to me (I'm about equal on oats vs scott lynch but seems most people arent as sure on an oats lynch as I am).On June 19 2015 03:49 Kickstart wrote: Actually tbh I would just go between oats and scott now. Rels and ruxxar have posted a lot and both of them look better now so. Would lynch oats/scott today. On June 19 2015 03:48 Kickstart wrote: So you saying rels ruxxar and oats arent scummy and you want to lynch scott? Not sure I agree that anything sulfurus does makes them 3 town but I said those are the 4 I would lynch into and I still feel that way. In order it is probably like oats, scott, rels, ruxxar at this point with oats being who I would most want to lynch. On June 21 2015 08:12 Kickstart wrote: Don't like the position we are in. Oats deserves to die but if he is town then he fucked all of us by deciding to not play this game. If he is town now is the time for him to do something, otherwise he is still the best lynch. In the past 2 pages of his filter, kickstart has posted like 12 posts telling people to lynch me. That seems like more than usual paranoia. especially since hes wrong. ##vote kickstart Also all his arguments are really bad and basically hinge on him not liking the way I play, rather than any real reasons why Im mafia. | ||
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