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NaCl`y
Profile Joined June 2015
131 Posts
June 13 2015 15:52 GMT
#2026
On June 14 2015 00:50 justanothertownie wrote:
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On June 14 2015 00:47 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 14 2015 00:43 justanothertownie wrote:
And since FF apparently thinks scum is more fun than town I would not expect his effort to minimal. You can make the argument that he was townier/did more in his scumgames but that's basically it.


I would say it's the complete opposite since he was scum read every time he was mafia and town read when he was town. I am pretty sure he is town so I'd rather people follow my read for end game if needs be than yours since yours doesn't seem to have any game relevant basis for your read. If you do not trust that, I will inevitably flip soon and you can trust it then.

He was widely townread in Ippo.


That's simply not true in the slightest. Damdred made a case on Fecalfeast night 1, marvellosity had agreed with it. He was tracked because he was scummy and people agreed with Damdred's posts on fecal. Perhaps you should read night 1 again.
NaCl`y
Profile Joined June 2015
131 Posts
June 13 2015 15:53 GMT
#2028
On June 14 2015 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:
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On June 14 2015 00:50 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 14 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote:
On June 14 2015 00:43 justanothertownie wrote:
And since FF apparently thinks scum is more fun than town I would not expect his effort to minimal. You can make the argument that he was townier/did more in his scumgames but that's basically it.


I think Salty is alluding more to the quality of FF's posting rather than the quantity here, even I said last cycle that his filter size is not alignment indicative.


Precisely. In his mafia games they have been devoid of content. He even struggled to make basic cases to save himself in Carnival. Here he has made a giant case on Boxerfred when he did not need to and has been generally quite towny in his posts.

Let's be honest. Making a case on boxerfred is not hard to do. But fine, it is not like I want to lynch him tomorrow anyways.


There is a stark contrast between his games. I get the feeling that you are setting him up for lylo to be lynched, especially as you have no content based reason to have any doubts about him.
NaCl`y
Profile Joined June 2015
131 Posts
June 13 2015 16:02 GMT
#2035
On June 14 2015 00:57 justanothertownie wrote:
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On June 14 2015 00:53 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 14 2015 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 14 2015 00:50 NaCl`y wrote:
On June 14 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote:
On June 14 2015 00:43 justanothertownie wrote:
And since FF apparently thinks scum is more fun than town I would not expect his effort to minimal. You can make the argument that he was townier/did more in his scumgames but that's basically it.


I think Salty is alluding more to the quality of FF's posting rather than the quantity here, even I said last cycle that his filter size is not alignment indicative.


Precisely. In his mafia games they have been devoid of content. He even struggled to make basic cases to save himself in Carnival. Here he has made a giant case on Boxerfred when he did not need to and has been generally quite towny in his posts.

Let's be honest. Making a case on boxerfred is not hard to do. But fine, it is not like I want to lynch him tomorrow anyways.


There is a stark contrast between his games. I get the feeling that you are setting him up for lylo to be lynched, especially as you have no content based reason to have any doubts about him.

Are you seriously flipping your read on me because I am not agreeing with your FF townread?


I find it highly strange that you are unable to read his filter and come to any decisive conclusion yourself yet you are able to do so with prplhz. It just seems extremely odd that your reads on mig have changed for little reason and were the opposite to my reaction of fuba flipping town. Your reactions feel very off to me and it's as if you'd rather keep scum reads open than try and figure out whether the person is town or not.

NaCl`y
Profile Joined June 2015
131 Posts
June 13 2015 16:22 GMT
#2039
On June 11 2015 03:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On June 11 2015 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 11 2015 03:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
What argument? I made a comment about how I'm not the only lurker.

Implying that it means it wouldn't be scummy for you to do it. Which isn't true.

Do you have evidence that I lurk more as scum than I do as town? Am I lurking more than my normal town game? You're just saying I'm scummy because you don't feel like developing a read on me and that's not ok.
On June 11 2015 03:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On June 11 2015 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 11 2015 03:20 Half the Sky wrote:
On June 11 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 11 2015 03:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 11 2015 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:
On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual


He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it?

As the only lurker in this game, oh wait...

So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about?

fuba mig Va off the top of my head.

I said my part about mig and fuba/VA are known lurkers who do it every single game regardless of alignment. So your argument is invalid.


Alright JAT, so then (based on my previous question) am I correct here in saying that your primary argument against FF is his lurkiness?

I don't know if it is the primary argument. Primary would be that he just is not towny/I can't remember even a single good thing he said. The only thing I remember is what other people said ABOUT him and his willingness to shenannie for no reason.

Wow nvm I don't even want you to town read me you haven't even looked at the filter of someone you call scummy.


This is by far and large still wholly accurate.
NaCl`y
Profile Joined June 2015
131 Posts
June 13 2015 23:02 GMT
#2057
Gg

/obs
NaCl`y
Profile Joined June 2015
131 Posts
June 15 2015 23:53 GMT
#2296
Well played. You have certainly improved Half the Sky.
NaCl`y
Profile Joined June 2015
131 Posts
June 16 2015 00:01 GMT
#2304
On June 16 2015 08:54 justanothertownie wrote:
You promised a reveal.


Unfortunately, that will not be happening.

Well played to everyone. I feel that this game had a lot needless bickering that could have been avoided simply by being courteous to each other and more understanding of certain situations. I realise that some people had things that made them look overwhelmingly more scummy than the actual mafia but I don't think this environment was particularly helpful in fostering them to prove otherwise.

BoxerFred, I did enjoy playing with you and I am sorry for tunnelling you. Now that I know you were not mafia I'd like to say well played for your Yamato77 read day 1! I hope you continue to play and do not use this game as a metric for future games. I promise they will be better! You do play well, if a bit off-meta for the site, but it was a breath of fresh air.
NaCl`y
Profile Joined June 2015
131 Posts
June 16 2015 00:23 GMT
#2322
On June 16 2015 09:16 Half the Sky wrote:
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On June 16 2015 09:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
if you guys want more detailed analysis from me, let me know.

I don't particularly have much to say about the game as I think it was relatively simple. There is a lot to be learned in hindsight, and I think reading Half the Sky's and prplhz's posts from their perspectives can be useful if you want to learn a bit about how scum may want to play. Given that they were never under any serious threat I don't think it would be all that useful, but I do think that Half the Sky's posts from start to finish and prplhz's posts on day 1 are good examples of what to do to stay just under suspicion without attracting much attention or scrutiny.


I know JAT spotted a weakness in my posts which I did catch on to and I knew I'd have to step it up in 3-2 lylo otherwise a good town player could corner me. But if you had any additional input for me I'd appreciate it.

Only issue is that I know dick all how to play framer, not much better at blue sniping either, I assume you just frame the scummy lurkers just like a DT should check the scummy lurkers but of course everyone checks differently.... >_<

I had zero clue JAT was tracker. Ugh, fail.


Generally the ideal strategy as mafia is to shoot the towniest people instead of trying to look for the blues or what have you since those shots could always backfire a la XXX mafia and shooting Rsoultin. Although this did cause mass hysteria it also severely would put you behind in terms of mislynches (which is the primary capital for mafia) if you are wrong. The whole aspect of mafia is preserving your capital so that you have wiggle room as the game progresses. This was fairly easy in this game and in retrospect I did notice a lack of push in a direction from you. There were lots of observations which made me gloss over you which is a good thing for you, however, in a game where people look more towny I think you need to develop on a set of mafia reads and start to push them harder so as you don't look too passive.

You did have a set of mafia reads this game, I know, it's just in future that will come back to bite you if you are not more resolute on them.

As for playing framer, it really depends on what kind of situation you are in. If you are widely town read then it always helps to frame scummy lurkers since they are by far and large the most obvious checks for a cop to make. If you are only slightly town read then it is up to you and you should maybe play it safe. Playing it safe is generally better anyway.
NaCl`y
Profile Joined June 2015
131 Posts
June 16 2015 00:34 GMT
#2330
On June 16 2015 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:
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On June 16 2015 09:25 Mig wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote:
lol
He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that.


You and marv being so harsh on him I am sure effected his motivation to post. Can say in an ideal world everybody should fight to the end but I think for new players especially if they are just getting constantly beat on they are more inclined to just give up.

I am not saying boxer is faultless but we as town should have fostered a better environment for him to want to contribute.

Not after how he treated me earlier - I was very lenient with him until he started taunting me for no fucking reason. And if you have another look at how marv and I pressured him we were actually pretty soft on him considering how much bullshit he spouted.


Since he flipped town and the game is over then you can categorically say that from his own opinion, none of it was bull shit. Or at least, he had reason to believe some of the things he did. I mean this in no disrespect to yourself Justanothertownie but sometimes, even if you think otherwise, you can come off as incredibly brash and argumentative and it is not conducive to helping people feel good and divulging their opinions.
NaCl`y
Profile Joined June 2015
131 Posts
June 16 2015 00:48 GMT
#2338
That one was of course simply the product of Artanis deciding to role claim for whatever reason, which I am still baffled about. I am also really baffled about NaCl'y counter-claiming him, which I think contributed nothing except wasting a bunch of time.


I am not sure this is quite accurate though. Like you say, the Artanis[Xp]'s claim was entirely atrocious but he is perfectly capable of something like that as mafia. You could see from opinions in the thread that this was entirely possible and very well speculated. The claim not only helped clear up that Artanis[Xp] was town from his reactions (since as mafia he would almost certainly, like he said, back down or just afk from the game) but led to many revealing reactions. You say Yamato77 was lynched because he didn't fight back but his reaction was by far the worst out of the ones that I saw and his pointing out how obvious the crumbs were are not something that I would ever (in my opinion) see from a town Yamato77. His fighting back would be futile.
NaCl`y
Profile Joined June 2015
131 Posts
June 16 2015 01:18 GMT
#2367
On June 16 2015 09:48 NaCl`y wrote:
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That one was of course simply the product of Artanis deciding to role claim for whatever reason, which I am still baffled about. I am also really baffled about NaCl'y counter-claiming him, which I think contributed nothing except wasting a bunch of time.


I am not sure this is quite accurate though. Like you say, the Artanis[Xp]'s claim was entirely atrocious but he is perfectly capable of something like that as mafia. You could see from opinions in the thread that this was entirely possible and very well speculated. The claim not only helped clear up that Artanis[Xp] was town from his reactions (since as mafia he would almost certainly, like he said, back down or just afk from the game) but led to many revealing reactions. You say Yamato77 was lynched because he didn't fight back but his reaction was by far the worst out of the ones that I saw and his pointing out how obvious the crumbs were are not something that I would ever (in my opinion) see from a town Yamato77. His fighting back would be futile.


I'm interested why you would classify this as useless discussion specifically.
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