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On June 10 2015 03:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah, chez is just trying to cause confusion.
Why would a cop even bother to say "there may be millers" if he's not going to defend himself before lynch? If you have a red check, 'reminding' people of a miller serves to only create wiggle room for scum!marv if he was actually redchecked.
Just doesn't make sense to me
Yeah I tried to test fuba's theory with a more direct example. I don't know. I don't understand his gameplay in general (nevermind the whole DT thing) and still the exchange with marv last night, that never got resolved.
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On June 10 2015 03:51 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. Salty has a very good point though on potential setup issues here. The DT/2 prot claim. Secondly has Chez fakeclaimed as scum before? Or talked in clues trying to fakeclaim? You've looked at it from a town side, but did you consider the mafia side, I think Salty it was alluded to the rolecop possibility? Especially since the town gameplay largely isn't there.
Yeah, I think in general I give far too much benefit of the doubt. I have considered the mafia side, and I originally found chez's actions regarding marv unlikely from scum, but when I checked the timing I can see why chez would begin this cop fakeclaim. I mean, if he is fakeclaiming I think he did a real good job of it, but the timing is strange, I guess.
Either way, I'm not gonna persuade anyone, so let's see how it plays out.
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On June 10 2015 03:55 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:51 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. Salty has a very good point though on potential setup issues here. The DT/2 prot claim. Secondly has Chez fakeclaimed as scum before? Or talked in clues trying to fakeclaim? You've looked at it from a town side, but did you consider the mafia side, I think Salty it was alluded to the rolecop possibility? Especially since the town gameplay largely isn't there. Yeah, I think in general I give far too much benefit of the doubt. I have considered the mafia side, and I originally found chez's actions regarding marv unlikely from scum, but when I checked the timing I can see why chez would begin this cop fakeclaim. I mean, if he is fakeclaiming I think he did a real good job of it, but the timing is strange, I guess. Either way, I'm not gonna persuade anyone, so let's see how it plays out.
I don't see why you stand by this statement following the evidence provided. Please explain.
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On June 10 2015 04:12 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:55 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:51 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. Salty has a very good point though on potential setup issues here. The DT/2 prot claim. Secondly has Chez fakeclaimed as scum before? Or talked in clues trying to fakeclaim? You've looked at it from a town side, but did you consider the mafia side, I think Salty it was alluded to the rolecop possibility? Especially since the town gameplay largely isn't there. Yeah, I think in general I give far too much benefit of the doubt. I have considered the mafia side, and I originally found chez's actions regarding marv unlikely from scum, but when I checked the timing I can see why chez would begin this cop fakeclaim. I mean, if he is fakeclaiming I think he did a real good job of it, but the timing is strange, I guess. Either way, I'm not gonna persuade anyone, so let's see how it plays out. I don't see why you stand by this statement following the evidence provided. Please explain.
I see more possibilities than most people. That's about it.
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On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote:
Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping:
In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such.
I honestly haven't read closely enough to check, has anyone called this post out?
If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your posts with "reasoning?"
What exactly do you mean when you put quotations around "reasoning?"
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On June 10 2015 04:23 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote:
Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping:
In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. I honestly haven't read closely enough to check, has anyone called this post out? If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your posts with "reasoning?" What exactly do you mean when you put quotations around "reasoning?"
Because it's not the reason for my read.
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On June 10 2015 04:25 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:23 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote:
Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping:
In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. I honestly haven't read closely enough to check, has anyone called this post out? If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your posts with "reasoning?" What exactly do you mean when you put quotations around "reasoning?" Because it's not the reason for my read.
I assume you answered my last question as that's the only one that remotely makes sense.
If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your post? Why are you concerned with how your read is perceived, to the point where you will pull reasoning out of your ass?
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On June 10 2015 04:27 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:25 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 04:23 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote:
Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping:
In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. I honestly haven't read closely enough to check, has anyone called this post out? If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your posts with "reasoning?" What exactly do you mean when you put quotations around "reasoning?" Because it's not the reason for my read. I assume you answered my last question as that's the only one that remotely makes sense. If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your post? Why are you concerned with how your read is perceived, to the point where you will pull reasoning out of your ass?
Because getting mislynched is against my win condition.
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I guess, to me, it's scummy to make up reasoning. Regardless of whether you're trying to avoid lynch or not.
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On June 10 2015 04:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
I guess, to me, it's scummy to make up reasoning. Regardless of whether you're trying to avoid lynch or not.
It's not exactly that I make it up, as much as I try to build up reasoning I feel others may agree with to go on top of my own read. Which, when I put it like that, sounds a lot like how I imagine scum build their cases.
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On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red.
grats.
fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this"
*a tiny amount of time passes*
fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always"
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On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always"
No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.
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On June 10 2015 04:36 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
I guess, to me, it's scummy to make up reasoning. Regardless of whether you're trying to avoid lynch or not. It's not exactly that I make it up, as much as I try to build up reasoning I feel others may agree with to go on top of my own read. Which, when I put it like that, sounds a lot like how I imagine scum build their cases.
So you see my concern.
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On June 10 2015 04:54 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:36 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 04:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
I guess, to me, it's scummy to make up reasoning. Regardless of whether you're trying to avoid lynch or not. It's not exactly that I make it up, as much as I try to build up reasoning I feel others may agree with to go on top of my own read. Which, when I put it like that, sounds a lot like how I imagine scum build their cases. So you see my concern.
Indeed. It can't be helped, however ^^
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On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always" No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.
lol, what?
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On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop.
That is in no world a cop claim.
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On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
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Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue?
How does it look like he is blue?
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On June 10 2015 03:44 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote FecalFeast
Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue? When a person is up for lynch do you not think they would change their playstyle completely to facilitate the need to escape later? His d1 actions scream the opposite of his day 2 actions, it's as simple as that. Mafia have no roleblocker and no vigilante so a cop and jailkeeper would be broken.
So you were roleblocked night1?
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this is pretty hilarious tbh.
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You mean it is pretty dumb.
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