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On June 07 2015 01:11 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:06 marvellosity wrote:Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. i do this sort of thing all the time. so either you don't know my play at all, or you're just trying to guess how i'd play. both options suck. While you may lynch people like that "all the time" that is because you have simply eliminated the possibility of other people being mafia through repeated interactions and thinking. Something that is severely lacking from you in this game. I do not believe you call Artanis[Xp] confirmed mafia for his claim with the provision that you'll leave him alone unless someone counterclaims him: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
yeah i guess unless someone hard counterclaims you, that might be a good idea. and then see a counterclaim yet still call him possibly mafia but not want to lynch him 10,000 times over when this would pander to your ego for finding him.
Agreed. Except for the ego thing maybe.
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On June 07 2015 01:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
boring. maybe you should lynch me then, that would be fun.
i don't really understand why jat thinks i might be mafia though. I had the feeling since your first posts and your reaction to the claims HAS been pretty weird in the sense that you agreed with my logic but still did not join my wagon and went for this lurker scumread on Fuba instead. And like salty said this mod question is just really really strange. Why do you understand other people scumreading you but not me? because i've not done very much, but usually you have been quite good at picking up on my tone as town, so i thought you would have in this instance too. also you know (re: getting on artanis' wagon) that i can be swayed by a logical argument but still not "feel it" as much as i maybe should. (or in fact shouldn't, given how things have turned out - seems i was right. being scumread for being right in the end would be annoying)
Yes, it would be annoying but you were not right. You called my stuff convincing which means you thought Artanis was more than likely mafia. I don't know what's not to feel about that when you called him mafia BEFORE the counterclaim and then a counterclaim happens but you still do not want to lynch Artanis.
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On June 07 2015 01:14 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
##Unvote
Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now. Tell me what you think about this.
I think I agree with you. Yamato never shows any doubt about the claims which is extremely irritating. And "lynch the jk, fine. I will have nothing to do with it though" also smells.
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On June 07 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:15 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:12 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2015 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
boring. maybe you should lynch me then, that would be fun.
i don't really understand why jat thinks i might be mafia though. I had the feeling since your first posts and your reaction to the claims HAS been pretty weird in the sense that you agreed with my logic but still did not join my wagon and went for this lurker scumread on Fuba instead. And like salty said this mod question is just really really strange. Why do you understand other people scumreading you but not me? because i've not done very much, but usually you have been quite good at picking up on my tone as town, so i thought you would have in this instance too. also you know (re: getting on artanis' wagon) that i can be swayed by a logical argument but still not "feel it" as much as i maybe should. (or in fact shouldn't, given how things have turned out - seems i was right. being scumread for being right in the end would be annoying) Yes, it would be annoying but you were not right. You called my stuff convincing which means you thought Artanis was more than likely mafia. I don't know what's not to feel about that when you called him mafia BEFORE the counterclaim and then a counterclaim happens but you still do not want to lynch Artanis. so why would i play like that as mafia??? set up my lynch and then not go for it, for free, when you give me an ironclad argument i can vote on, and i will never, ever, ever come under scrutiny because i attacked artanis first? i don't get the logic
Because you KNOW that Artanis is town and are cautious because if you also know that NaCl is town then you know something is up.
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On June 07 2015 01:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:21 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2015 01:15 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:12 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2015 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
boring. maybe you should lynch me then, that would be fun.
i don't really understand why jat thinks i might be mafia though. I had the feeling since your first posts and your reaction to the claims HAS been pretty weird in the sense that you agreed with my logic but still did not join my wagon and went for this lurker scumread on Fuba instead. And like salty said this mod question is just really really strange. Why do you understand other people scumreading you but not me? because i've not done very much, but usually you have been quite good at picking up on my tone as town, so i thought you would have in this instance too. also you know (re: getting on artanis' wagon) that i can be swayed by a logical argument but still not "feel it" as much as i maybe should. (or in fact shouldn't, given how things have turned out - seems i was right. being scumread for being right in the end would be annoying) Yes, it would be annoying but you were not right. You called my stuff convincing which means you thought Artanis was more than likely mafia. I don't know what's not to feel about that when you called him mafia BEFORE the counterclaim and then a counterclaim happens but you still do not want to lynch Artanis. so why would i play like that as mafia??? set up my lynch and then not go for it, for free, when you give me an ironclad argument i can vote on, and i will never, ever, ever come under scrutiny because i attacked artanis first? i don't get the logic Because you KNOW that Artanis is town and are cautious because if you also know that NaCl is town then you know something is up. you believe this? fine. that's ludicrous, but ok. whatever floats your boat.
I will probably not go for your lynch today if only because you claimed that you would be afk later. But I have more doubts about you then I would expect if you are town and it is really unsettling.
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On June 07 2015 01:42 marvellosity wrote:
because you're a baddie.
I guess that's another word for badass. Nice.
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On June 07 2015 01:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 23:26 fuba wrote:On June 06 2015 16:34 prplhz wrote:
@fuba What do you think about marvellosity's read on boxerfred? The read where he says bf's opening sounds different than bf's newbie mafia game? I think it sounds like barely a read. Is that supposed to dissuade me from thinking he could be scum? On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote:
boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal?
Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfredGotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Holy shit, I hate this post. Especially the bolded.
Case in point.
On June 06 2015 20:05 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 19:19 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote:Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote:
boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal?
Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfredGotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Holy shit, I hate this post. Especially the bolded. well I said "I tend to no-lynch" not that I would do it straight away. Fuba why so hard on me when I push yamato the slightiest?
Also ignoring what I said, and simply suggesting that the entire thing is a defense of yamato.
brb shower[/QUOTE]
I'm indeed ignoring what you're saying since I don't feel like it has any ground. I don't exactly understand why you say that a "tend to no-lynch" after saying "That guy might be scum" is scummy if it is not for some constructed reasons, trying to get a mis-lynch on a townie. I tend to no-lynch on D1 because it simply makes sense. The probability of hitting a town is way higher than hitting a scum member. I guess you know that. So while I have a scum read on yamato, that scum read is not built on like a rock solid ground but is more a first impression that I'll try to get a grip upon later on. Just like I did when I said "Why are you jumping on me, pulling attention on me instead of my read on yamato?" - Well, instead of replying to that, you just say "LOOK HE'S IGNORING MY WORDS", still shifting attention away from yamato (who seldomly posts anyways) to, oh look, me again.
So. You don't like the bolded part, alright? Well shame, deal with it. On D1, there's no evidence or indications of anything in general besides someone's posts. D1 is the day where (IMHO) scum can just lay back, chill the fuck out and jump on the first guy they feel is probably being mislynched. So BOOM ##unvote ##vote no-lynch until I find a case or create a case which seems to be worth a vote.
I might change my vote lateron though, I did not yet find the time to read through that Artanis story. Weekend with kids do that to people. [/QUOTE]
A no-lynch day1 is far worse for town than a mislynch. Just sayin.
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On June 07 2015 01:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You're saying this level of involvement is par for the course for town marv? i'm saying my reactions or otherwise to the claims are nothing to do with my level of involvement
Is it weird that your level of involvement concerns me far less then your reaction to the claims? :p
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Why is it generally hard (especially for new players) to find a good lynch day1? Because there is no hard information. If you no-lynch then you just postpone this problem towards day2 wasting not only a chance to kill scum (and lynching is the only way for town to do this generally) but also vital information from wagons.
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On June 07 2015 03:30 Mig wrote:
JAT/nac/artanis who are you guys going to vote for? You are half assedly accusing marv are you voting him?
Don't really know yet. Will think about in a while. I had hopes that people would maybe start doing things now on their own but apparently I was wrong.
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On June 07 2015 03:58 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 00:32 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 07 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote:
Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game. Yeah, so strange. Or maybe it is not strange because I didn't call out anybody else for it either and there have been plenty of people trying to justify it (and people really should be since lynching a claimed JK IS a big deal - if you analyse the whole claim/read my case there shouldn't be any doubt though). Being wrong does not make anyone mafia on its own. You're claiming you have no doubt? You believe I'm flipping mafia 100% of the time? Really? Let's say 95 % of the time. Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
##Unvote
Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now. what happened in those 30 minutes that made you go from 95% to unvote
Is this a serious question?
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On June 07 2015 04:14 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 03:58 prplhz wrote:On June 07 2015 00:32 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 07 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote:
Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game. Yeah, so strange. Or maybe it is not strange because I didn't call out anybody else for it either and there have been plenty of people trying to justify it (and people really should be since lynching a claimed JK IS a big deal - if you analyse the whole claim/read my case there shouldn't be any doubt though). Being wrong does not make anyone mafia on its own. You're claiming you have no doubt? You believe I'm flipping mafia 100% of the time? Really? Let's say 95 % of the time. On June 07 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
##Unvote
Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now. what happened in those 30 minutes that made you go from 95% to unvote Is this a serious question? yes
So you missed that NaCl unclaimed? Am I supposed to believe this?
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On June 07 2015 04:15 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 04:15 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:14 prplhz wrote:On June 07 2015 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 03:58 prplhz wrote:On June 07 2015 00:32 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 07 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote:
Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game. Yeah, so strange. Or maybe it is not strange because I didn't call out anybody else for it either and there have been plenty of people trying to justify it (and people really should be since lynching a claimed JK IS a big deal - if you analyse the whole claim/read my case there shouldn't be any doubt though). Being wrong does not make anyone mafia on its own. You're claiming you have no doubt? You believe I'm flipping mafia 100% of the time? Really? Let's say 95 % of the time. On June 07 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
##Unvote
Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now. what happened in those 30 minutes that made you go from 95% to unvote Is this a serious question? yes So you missed that NaCl unclaimed? Am I supposed to believe this? so that's the only reason you went from 95% to unvote? the unclaim?
Yes.
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On June 07 2015 04:40 prplhz wrote:Okay justanothertownie. So your scum read on Artanis[Xp] is almost solely based on him being counterclaimed by NaCl`y. You do not believe there can be two protective roles in this game so one of them has to be scum and it's probably not the counter claimer. This is your reasoning. Then why do you Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 08:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
i really dont see whats so unbelievable about jailkeeper/doctor tbh. if there is another blue then it is pretty ridiculous but just the 2 on their own is not a big deal. I would probably give mafia something like roleblocker/vig and call it a day. Btw. concerning this: If there you are another blue - DO NOT CLAIM. We will lynch Artanis without the need for another claim. say that no one else should counter claim? It seems like you're either seriously considering that there could be more than one protective role, while also wanting to lynch Artanis[Xp] because you don't think there could be another blue? Also your reaction to NaCl`y's unclaim doesn't really fit with Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 10:56 justanothertownie wrote:
If NaCl ever rescinds his claim later he will be lynched though. If you counterclaimed as VT or something like this stop it immediately.
I said that noone should claim because people were saying they could believe 2 protective roles unless there are more blues. So another blue role could have thought claiming was worth it to get Artanis lynched. This is basic logic and I do not see how you can not get this.
And to the last quote: I said unclaim immediately if you aren't doc and he did. Wtf is your problem?
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And no, my scumread was definitely not based only on the fact that Artanis was counterclaimed but me thinking his play is suspicious or unlikely from a town pov is not enough to lynch an uncced blue day1.
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On June 07 2015 04:52 prplhz wrote:
but you just fucking said the exact opposite
No, it literally didn't.
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On June 07 2015 04:53 prplhz wrote:
and no you didn't say "unclaim immediately"
if you read your post you said "if you unclaim then you should be lynched"
You should read and try to understand the whole post before you accuse me of something stupid.
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On June 07 2015 04:54 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:52 prplhz wrote:
but you just fucking said the exact opposite No, it literally didn't. i asked you why you went from 95% sure to unvoted and you said because the counterclaim was rescinded. so your scum read was based almost exclusively on the counterclaim.
Nope. Incorrect conclusion.
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On June 07 2015 04:55 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 04:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:53 prplhz wrote:
and no you didn't say "unclaim immediately"
if you read your post you said "if you unclaim then you should be lynched" You should read and try to understand the whole post before you accuse me of something stupid. it's 1 fucking sentence, there's no hidden meaning. "if you unclaim, you will be lynched". that is what you say. what the fuck?
I said "if you unclaim LATER you will be lynched" and then I say "if you are doing this as VT stop it immediately". Are you really unable to read?
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