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On June 10 2015 03:55 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:51 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. Salty has a very good point though on potential setup issues here. The DT/2 prot claim. Secondly has Chez fakeclaimed as scum before? Or talked in clues trying to fakeclaim? You've looked at it from a town side, but did you consider the mafia side, I think Salty it was alluded to the rolecop possibility? Especially since the town gameplay largely isn't there. Yeah, I think in general I give far too much benefit of the doubt. I have considered the mafia side, and I originally found chez's actions regarding marv unlikely from scum, but when I checked the timing I can see why chez would begin this cop fakeclaim. I mean, if he is fakeclaiming I think he did a real good job of it, but the timing is strange, I guess. Either way, I'm not gonna persuade anyone, so let's see how it plays out.
I don't see why you stand by this statement following the evidence provided. Please explain.
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On June 10 2015 06:55 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
are you actually going to claim or what? I claimed day 1. I doubt most voters even read my filter.
Then why did you ignore 2 doctor claims and vote someone else? Why did you check marvellosity over fecalfeast who you had called mafia the entirety of day 1? Why did you leave it so long to "out" a red check on marvellosity? Why did you leave it till an hour before deadline to properly claim?
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This is where we simply lynch marvellosity to confirm Chezinu as cop or confirm him as mafia.
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It's objectively the best play 
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Ok, whatever, let's continue lynching Chezinu for being obnoxious.
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On June 10 2015 07:53 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:52 NaCl`y wrote:
Ok, whatever, let's continue lynching Chezinu for being obnoxious. honestly, this isn't a reason to lynch chez.
I honestly do not care.
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It's particularly annoying that we have around 1 vote count every 12 hours.
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No. Tomorrow we absolutely are lynching Fuba. You should not contest this lynch.
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On June 10 2015 03:31 NaCl`y wrote:
To sum up this discussion. If Chezinu flips any variant of a town role we should lynch Fuba.
On June 10 2015 03:33 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:31 NaCl`y wrote:
To sum up this discussion. If Chezinu flips any variant of a town role we should lynch Fuba. To justify my reasoning. He has seemingly hard defended (not particularly hard but still hard nonetheless) the people that people are most suspicious of at times when it was unwarranted (Boxerfred in general, Chezinu now, VayneAuthority about how there's not much to call him mafia for).
On June 10 2015 03:43 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:38 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:31 NaCl`y wrote:
To sum up this discussion. If Chezinu flips any variant of a town role we should lynch Fuba. To justify my reasoning. He has seemingly hard defended (not particularly hard but still hard nonetheless) the people that people are most suspicious of at times when it was unwarranted (Boxerfred in general, Chezinu now, VayneAuthority about how there's not much to call him mafia for). I thought he rescinded the point on VA or said it was in reference to someone else talking about VA? But still, this goes back to the point I made on his initial read on Artanis though I wouldn't call it a hard defence. Weighing in on the JK claim was warranted but not taking into account the gameplay on which it stands. Well it doesn't matter what he did in regards to VA since all of his original thought posts are there to defend someone from something or another. His boxerfred stance was simply "I don't think he'd do this as mafia" and when I point to his filter in his other game that would say otherwise he exclaims that he has not read it but still maintains his point is correct. His stance on Chezinu now is still strange given that I've just shown his actions around the Artanis[Xp] and my jailkeeper claims and he still maintains he could be a cop.
I would write a proper case but unfortunately I am away till Thursday night. So this will have to do. Hopefully somebody will look into him and agree.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485712-carnaval-do-brasil-mafia?user=fuba
Look at this filter from fuba where he was town. It has a wide variety of spread out reads, even if there was a certain amount of afking. He is definitely unsure of himself in Carnaval. However, this game he uses absolutes and has opinions that don't make sense and comes to odd conclusions that are based on reasoning that he shouldn't be using.
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Feel free to talk about the points I raised on Fuba.
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Rest in peace, dear marvellosity!
##vote boxerfred
I know I made a lot of posts on Fuba being mafia and honestly he probably still is mafia! There is now someone else that I have a greater passion for lynching. Boxerfred.
This is because of quite a few reasons and all of them are backed up simply by reading the game so I'll make this short and quoteless due to a lack of time.
Day 1: Boxerfred's play can be summarised on day 1 as simply going from clueless and spreading feelers in directions (such as on yamato briefly etc) to full on try hard and associative based on Yamato77 flipping mafia before he actually has (most damning). He also says Justanothertownie is his top town read going into night 1 for his reaction to the Artanis[Xp] situation etc. I feel like this was a disingenuous flip of "ability" to read people that simply didn't fit with his earlier playstyle. It conveniently kicked in when it was decided Yamato77 was the lynch anyway.
Day 2: Boxerfred meekly pushes VayneAuthority and is quite happy to use any excuse whatsoever to just disappear from it when provided with little evidence:
On June 09 2015 19:33 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:29 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 19:27 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
the *point* is that you made the point about Chez *because* I questioned you on Vayne, so you turned it around to people talking or backing off Chez
one caused the other No. I did not make a point. I simply wrote about a fucking filter observation not coming to any conclusion or point. I came to that conclusion when you asked your questions 2 minutes ago. stop reading stuff into my posts that is not there. You made the fucking point to deflect off me questioning you on Vayne I don't see any reason to unvote someone who is not replying to pressure. Like, you all went on the Chez train because "oh he's not here" and now that he's here you start saying "nah he doesn't look so scummy anyways". I might do the same depending on his replies but as long as there are no replies, well why should I change my stance? "why would I unvote Vayne? Here! Look at what you guys are doing with Chez!" that was precisely your defence here. What the fuck. So I explained thoroughly why I am voting Vayne. Of course I am showing what you guys are doing on Chez since I feel like noone even cares to look at my points on Vayne. Did you even check my points on Vayne by now? No? Cool shit. I distinctly remember telling you that VA doing jackshit does not make him scum and that he tends to not give a fuck as town. I distinctly remember that I played one game of Mafia thus far here and can't tell if you're right. + Show Spoiler [VayneAuthority] +5 minutes of your time to confirm/deny jat Wow, such small filters. ##unvote
Yes, it's a quote. I lied earlier. He then jumps on Chezinu because it was what everyone else was doing. Suddenly, Boxerfred makes a big case on Justanothertownie being mafia which contained all of the posts that Boxerfred said made Justanothertownie his top town on day 1. Note earlier when he dropped his VayneAuthority read based on people giving evidence to the opposite? Now this is not the case for Justanothertownie.
Unfortunately I can't finish this due to time, will continue later.
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Mig don't do this to me. Don't just go and be mafia on me right now.
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Justanothertownie give me your thoughts. Why does that case on you from mig make mig mafia? Explain why it can't come from a town mig.
Boxerfred, if you agree with mig's case on justanothertownie why would that change your opinion on mig's alignment and make him mafia if justanothertownie flipped town if you're agreeing with everything he is saying? Surely that just makes him misguided? Why not consider any of the other people that aren't saying things you agree with?
Also, boxerfred, why do you think marvellosity was killed?
Also, a public service announcement. Please, in future, try to take the higher ground in arguments and answer the questions people ask no matter whether you think they are stupid or not.
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I'm not sure you are mafia anymore, Boxerfred. I really liked your last post.
##unvote
##vote fuba
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On June 12 2015 01:52 NaCl`y wrote:
I'm not sure you are mafia anymore, Boxerfred. I really liked your last post.
##unvote
##vote fuba
and by last post I mean big response. Also, justanothertownie, I'm not sure you ever answered my question. Why is mig mafia and not town for his case, just because it was wrong?
Personally I feel the case itself was poor but I don't think it means that Mig is mafia at all. Some of the reads he made (the connections with you and yamato, for example) seemed well thought out and showed he had a good grasp of what has happened this game and who has said what. I would be more interested if he talked about other people though.
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Both Fuba and Boxerfred have an inordinate amount of things that make them mafia and a miniscule amount of things that make them town. I'm not sure I agree with you that Fuba is wishy washy so much in this game Mig. You cited his Chezinu read as towny but if you actually reread it there was a multitude of information being said that made Chezinu seem like a clear mafia lynch while Fuba was outright denying it repeatedly despite the evidence. This is the Fuba from carnival who adopted other people's reads to develop his own. He did not do that in the slightest. I posted a very convincing argument that Chezinu could not be a cop after his day 1 play which Fuba ignored quite a few times with non-meaningful information.
Also, Half The Sky, I'm not sure I understand your lurker comment. If Yamato77 posts 1 small post and afk's for 6 hours and then posts another small post and ignores questions then he is classified as a lurker. Either way the TMI argument unfortunately still exists.
I am quite happy to lynch either of the two if I am being honest. I think I would prefer a Fuba lynch - at least I think so - after that Boxerfred post that seemed quite thought out and genuine.
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On June 12 2015 10:08 Mig wrote:
Let me ask you this concerning fuba, do you think it is more likely for a mafia fuba to lurk and say nothing or to post questioning about chez when everyone in the thread is 100% set on lynching him? Why if he is mafia did he speak up at all? Just in the hopes people gave him town cred?
I don't know if it's because you haven't played for a while but a lot of mafia like to post alternative theories to be correct. Especially if they aren't that great at playing as mafia and need something to talk about. There's nothing easier than talking about the correct assumption after all.
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I'm not even sure how you come to this conclusion when we lynched Yamato77 for this exact reason.
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Yam isn't a lurker
Yamato is one of the biggest lurkers currently on this site and is regularly lynched for just flat out afking. I will just respectfully disagree with you in regards to Fuba. All of the posts you link are very scummy non contributory posts and I think he has a good chance of flipping mafia.
I disagree with your justanothertownie read since he does everything you mention as town too, albeit he does have a particularly prickly side in this game.
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