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On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
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##Vote FecalFeast
Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller.
How does his D2 not look like he's blue?
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On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote FecalFeast
Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue?
Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time.
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On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck?
Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop.
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On June 10 2015 03:45 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 17:29 Mig wrote:
Chezy I don't think you actually think I am mafia.
Your hatter claim is obviously bs, that role is too fun for you, 0 chance you forget about the game as a hatter. The only reason you are claiming I am mafia is because you are claiming that I am mafia team mates with marv and now am trying to save him. Really don't think you believe that.
I guess that probably means you are mafia and now just spamming stuff you don't believe to distract the thread and cause chaos. This point is still accurate, chez wouldn't "forget" about a game he was a dt in. He's clearly just fucking around at this point. ##Vote Chezzy
Bleh, that's a good point too.
I'm just gonna give in on this one.
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On June 10 2015 03:51 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. Salty has a very good point though on potential setup issues here. The DT/2 prot claim. Secondly has Chez fakeclaimed as scum before? Or talked in clues trying to fakeclaim? You've looked at it from a town side, but did you consider the mafia side, I think Salty it was alluded to the rolecop possibility? Especially since the town gameplay largely isn't there.
Yeah, I think in general I give far too much benefit of the doubt. I have considered the mafia side, and I originally found chez's actions regarding marv unlikely from scum, but when I checked the timing I can see why chez would begin this cop fakeclaim. I mean, if he is fakeclaiming I think he did a real good job of it, but the timing is strange, I guess.
Either way, I'm not gonna persuade anyone, so let's see how it plays out.
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On June 10 2015 04:12 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:55 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:51 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. Salty has a very good point though on potential setup issues here. The DT/2 prot claim. Secondly has Chez fakeclaimed as scum before? Or talked in clues trying to fakeclaim? You've looked at it from a town side, but did you consider the mafia side, I think Salty it was alluded to the rolecop possibility? Especially since the town gameplay largely isn't there. Yeah, I think in general I give far too much benefit of the doubt. I have considered the mafia side, and I originally found chez's actions regarding marv unlikely from scum, but when I checked the timing I can see why chez would begin this cop fakeclaim. I mean, if he is fakeclaiming I think he did a real good job of it, but the timing is strange, I guess. Either way, I'm not gonna persuade anyone, so let's see how it plays out. I don't see why you stand by this statement following the evidence provided. Please explain.
I see more possibilities than most people. That's about it.
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On June 10 2015 04:23 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote:
Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping:
In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. I honestly haven't read closely enough to check, has anyone called this post out? If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your posts with "reasoning?" What exactly do you mean when you put quotations around "reasoning?"
Because it's not the reason for my read.
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On June 10 2015 04:27 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:25 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 04:23 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote:
Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping:
In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. I honestly haven't read closely enough to check, has anyone called this post out? If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your posts with "reasoning?" What exactly do you mean when you put quotations around "reasoning?" Because it's not the reason for my read. I assume you answered my last question as that's the only one that remotely makes sense. If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your post? Why are you concerned with how your read is perceived, to the point where you will pull reasoning out of your ass?
Because getting mislynched is against my win condition.
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On June 10 2015 04:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
I guess, to me, it's scummy to make up reasoning. Regardless of whether you're trying to avoid lynch or not.
It's not exactly that I make it up, as much as I try to build up reasoning I feel others may agree with to go on top of my own read. Which, when I put it like that, sounds a lot like how I imagine scum build their cases.
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On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always"
No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.
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On June 10 2015 04:54 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:36 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 04:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
I guess, to me, it's scummy to make up reasoning. Regardless of whether you're trying to avoid lynch or not. It's not exactly that I make it up, as much as I try to build up reasoning I feel others may agree with to go on top of my own read. Which, when I put it like that, sounds a lot like how I imagine scum build their cases. So you see my concern.
Indeed. It can't be helped, however ^^
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On June 10 2015 05:22 prplhz wrote:
there's at least one scum on chez.
Actually lol'd XD
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Huh, was *really* not expecting that.
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On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba.
You're quite a joy to play with.
Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons.
Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this.
Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter.
Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane.
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On June 11 2015 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane. Well, the hatter thing was obviously because of the vid he posted where he said if he dies marv will also die. However there was no indication whatsoever that chez could be cop ever.
And my thought was that he simply went a step farther. Once chez dies as cop, we will see that he was cop, and lend more proof to his read on marv. Obviously I was incorrect, but the fact that no one else even saw it as a possibility really confuses me.
In any case, I still don't see how it makes me scum. Like, I'm having trouble seeing my play this game from a scum perspective. Am I more likely to think chez is cop if I'm scum? Am I more likely to even lightly defend BF as scum (though that is a read I'll have to reexamine going into D3)? And given that everyone considers my reasons for reads to be shitty, why wouldn't I just make a shitty fake scumread on someone?
Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, I didn't just take artanis's claim at face value. I thought about it for quite a while. So the only "absolute" thing I've said was about chez. And I still have trouble seeing why he would say/do those things as a VT.
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On June 11 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:40 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane. Well, the hatter thing was obviously because of the vid he posted where he said if he dies marv will also die. However there was no indication whatsoever that chez could be cop ever. And my thought was that he simply went a step farther. Once chez dies as cop, we will see that he was cop, and lend more proof to his read on marv. Obviously I was incorrect, but the fact that no one else even saw it as a possibility really confuses me.
In any case, I still don't see how it makes me scum. Like, I'm having trouble seeing my play this game from a scum perspective. Am I more likely to think chez is cop if I'm scum? Am I more likely to even lightly defend BF as scum (though that is a read I'll have to reexamine going into D3)? And given that everyone considers my reasons for reads to be shitty, why wouldn't I just make a shitty fake scumread on someone? Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, I didn't just take artanis's claim at face value. I thought about it for quite a while. So the only "absolute" thing I've said was about chez. And I still have trouble seeing why he would say/do those things as a VT. Yes, yes you are more likely to believe people who you know are town are a role and it is also more likely that you defend them. Explain to me why chez as cop would let himself be lynched when he has a redcheck on marv instead of saying that he has a goddamn redcheck and pushing for a marv lynch.
My thought was that trading a blue for a red would be a good thing. Why he wouldn't just say it is because he's chez. Why did he make a creepy deathnote video rather than just typing in the thread? Because he's chez. Why does he speak in riddles and keep talking about "themes" (whatever that means)? Because he's chez.
I haven't done a thorough analysis of chez's play, but his behavior made sense in the way I've described it based on my rudimentary understanding of him.
As for the first part of your response, that doesn't make sense. So I'm more likely to falsely believe someone is a blue role simply because I know they're town? And if I defend every townie because I know they're town, then how do I get any of them lynched? That's bullshit. And you skipped the last bit. If my reads are so flimsy and based on nonsense, then why don't I fake any scumreads? I could just be like, "I think mig is scum, his reads seem so fake", and that would be at least consistent. The answer is: because I'm being honest, and I'm town.
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On June 11 2015 05:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 05:02 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:40 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane. Well, the hatter thing was obviously because of the vid he posted where he said if he dies marv will also die. However there was no indication whatsoever that chez could be cop ever. And my thought was that he simply went a step farther. Once chez dies as cop, we will see that he was cop, and lend more proof to his read on marv. Obviously I was incorrect, but the fact that no one else even saw it as a possibility really confuses me.
In any case, I still don't see how it makes me scum. Like, I'm having trouble seeing my play this game from a scum perspective. Am I more likely to think chez is cop if I'm scum? Am I more likely to even lightly defend BF as scum (though that is a read I'll have to reexamine going into D3)? And given that everyone considers my reasons for reads to be shitty, why wouldn't I just make a shitty fake scumread on someone? Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, I didn't just take artanis's claim at face value. I thought about it for quite a while. So the only "absolute" thing I've said was about chez. And I still have trouble seeing why he would say/do those things as a VT. Yes, yes you are more likely to believe people who you know are town are a role and it is also more likely that you defend them. Explain to me why chez as cop would let himself be lynched when he has a redcheck on marv instead of saying that he has a goddamn redcheck and pushing for a marv lynch. My thought was that trading a blue for a red would be a good thing. Why he wouldn't just say it is because he's chez. Why did he make a creepy deathnote video rather than just typing in the thread? Because he's chez. Why does he speak in riddles and keep talking about "themes" (whatever that means)? Because he's chez. I haven't done a thorough analysis of chez's play, but his behavior made sense in the way I've described it based on my rudimentary understanding of him. As for the first part of your response, that doesn't make sense. So I'm more likely to falsely believe someone is a blue role simply because I know they're town? And if I defend every townie because I know they're town, then how do I get any of them lynched? That's bullshit. And you skipped the last bit. If my reads are so flimsy and based on nonsense, then why don't I fake any scumreads? I could just be like, "I think mig is scum, his reads seem so fake", and that would be at least consistent. The answer is: because I'm being honest, and I'm town. 1)Because you don't "fake" reads as scum. You call them town because you know they are and 2)you have a way easier time believing someone is blue instead of read when you know that he is not mafia. How can you even contest that? And even if it is chez he still plays to win and if he had a redcheck he would not keep it to himself the whole day and then get lynched without claiming. 3)No way chez would waste the opportunity to troll around with a redcheck during the day either.
1) It's possible I don't know how to play scum, then. I mean, you have to fake reads at some point, or you just end up with town reads on town, and scum reads on scum o.O
2) I think I understand where my confusion was. I thought your argument was that I was somehow more likely to see chez as blue than green, rather than more likely to see him as blue than red. That made no sense to me. I can see your reasoning now, and while I think I can see the merit in it, there must be some flaw, as you've come to the wrong conclusion about me.
3) That's precisely what I'm saying I thought he was doing all day.
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