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On June 16 2015 09:26 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:20 prplhz wrote: can't really demand much more from a townie than that he keeps active and boxerfred did just that, no idea what the problem is. lol He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that. he has 11 page filter and tons of text walls, he kept active and he had a lot of opinions on everything. boxerfred did enough that people should be able to read him town. Yes, if you got a mafia role pm. Anyways, I am going to sleep. Thank god this game is over.
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On June 16 2015 09:34 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:25 Mig wrote:On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote: lol He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that. You and marv being so harsh on him I am sure effected his motivation to post. Can say in an ideal world everybody should fight to the end but I think for new players especially if they are just getting constantly beat on they are more inclined to just give up. I am not saying boxer is faultless but we as town should have fostered a better environment for him to want to contribute. Not after how he treated me earlier - I was very lenient with him until he started taunting me for no fucking reason. And if you have another look at how marv and I pressured him we were actually pretty soft on him considering how much bullshit he spouted. Since he flipped town and the game is over then you can categorically say that from his own opinion, none of it was bull shit. Or at least, he had reason to believe some of the things he did. I mean this in no disrespect to yourself Justanothertownie but sometimes, even if you think otherwise, you can come off as incredibly brash and argumentative and it is not conducive to helping people feel good and divulging their opinions. Yes, he was town. Doesn't make the bullshit any less bullshit.
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On June 16 2015 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:25 Mig wrote:On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote: lol He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that. You and marv being so harsh on him I am sure effected his motivation to post. Can say in an ideal world everybody should fight to the end but I think for new players especially if they are just getting constantly beat on they are more inclined to just give up. I am not saying boxer is faultless but we as town should have fostered a better environment for him to want to contribute. Not after how he treated me earlier - I was very lenient with him until he started taunting me for no fucking reason. And if you have another look at how marv and I pressured him we were actually pretty soft on him considering how much bullshit he spouted. him taunting you should have been an obvious town-tell how many new scum players do you think actually say some of the things boxer said this game? Some of his posts were walls of text, I can literally count the number of scum that do stuff like that on one hand and none of them play anymore. There are players who do it and since he is new you cannot know he wouldn't. Very flawed logic. Walls of text are also in no world alignment indicative.
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Yes, I see scum players do it all the fucking time. And of course with the knowledge that he is town you can easily make a short case for that. We will have to agree to disagree here. Good night.
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On June 16 2015 09:47 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 16 2015 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:25 Mig wrote:On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote: lol He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that. You and marv being so harsh on him I am sure effected his motivation to post. Can say in an ideal world everybody should fight to the end but I think for new players especially if they are just getting constantly beat on they are more inclined to just give up. I am not saying boxer is faultless but we as town should have fostered a better environment for him to want to contribute. Not after how he treated me earlier - I was very lenient with him until he started taunting me for no fucking reason. And if you have another look at how marv and I pressured him we were actually pretty soft on him considering how much bullshit he spouted. him taunting you should have been an obvious town-tell how many new scum players do you think actually say some of the things boxer said this game? Some of his posts were walls of text, I can literally count the number of scum that do stuff like that on one hand and none of them play anymore. There are players who do it and since he is new you cannot know he wouldn't. Very flawed logic. Walls of text are also in no world alignment indicative. I don't know what to say if you actually believe this, you seem to be so tunneled on this that I don't think you're thinking objectively on the matter. Scum very rarely put in the type of effort and specificity that boxer did this game. His play was fine, and IMO actually very good given his experience. I personally would love to have players like him in games that I play. For people like you and marv who misread him, the onus is on you to figure out why you read him wrong. He did more than enough to prove himself and I have already shown that to you. If you can't accept that then you should reevaluate the way you think about other players. The onus is on him to not get fucking mislynched. Of course we should theoretically have been able to differentiate between awful townplay and scumplay but that does not mean that his play was any good.
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On June 16 2015 09:49 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:47 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, I see scum players do it all the fucking time. And of course with the knowledge that he is town you can easily make a short case for that. We will have to agree to disagree here. Good night. I don't understand what you want to hear. You were wrong. If you want to not be wrong in the future, don't blame your own faults on another player. I don't want to hear anything. But you try to sell us that boxerfred played a good game when he quite clearly didn't. Of course we are all to blame for misreading him, that's not even in question. But the person who is the most responsible for a mislynch is ALWAYS the guy who gets mislynched.
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What about his play was awful? HMMMM maybe that none of his arguments made any fucking sense and he was constantly straight up making shit up, that he was antagonizing people for no reason, that he was martyring like a mofo and that he did not fight his mislynch until it was way too late.
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I need to stop concerning myself with this game.
If you read this boxerfred - just do not ever play like this again. You are new, shit happens. We learn from it and I will have forgotten about it in a few days. I have no problem with you in general. I am also way more dissapointed in a few seasoned players who did not bother to play this game than I am in you. You just made me rage the most.
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On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree.
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On June 16 2015 10:01 prplhz wrote: it just makes no sense to blame others for your read on them as long as they make an effort in good faith and he did just that. it doesn't make sense to tell people not to do what they did when they did their best as town. by definition they can't be any townier than that, they can't fake being townier than they naturally appear because that in itself is scummy. They can be townier if they know what not to do. Like martyring for example.
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On June 16 2015 10:02 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree. pretty sure you misunderstood that then. it's your fault for getting mislynched and it's your fault for mislynching someone. it's always your own fault  No, I did not misunderstand that. The person who is mislynched is ALWAYS the one who is to blame the most. Sure, the voters are not free of guilt either but if you get mislynched day1 you are the worst player in the game.
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On June 16 2015 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree. Perhaps you should then ask why Palmar gets mislynched so often. This is not and has never been good advice. People get lynched all the time for all sorts of stupid reasons. In fact, every lynch in this game is a prime example of that. Yes, sometimes you can put a lot of the blame on the player who got mislynched but more often than not the majority of the voters didn't bother to read the victim properly. Also I find it funny that you don't even notice the irony in this statement. The attitude behind saying "I do not care if you disagree" is pretty much exactly the reason your read was wrong. There is no irony because if I disagree with your statement has nothing to do with the read. And there is a reason that there are a few players who rarely if ever get mislynched. It's because they are good at the game.
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On June 16 2015 10:06 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:04 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:02 prplhz wrote:On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree. pretty sure you misunderstood that then. it's your fault for getting mislynched and it's your fault for mislynching someone. it's always your own fault  No, I did not misunderstand that. The person who is mislynched is ALWAYS the one who is to blame the most. Sure, the voters are not free of guilt either but if you get mislynched day1 you are the worst player in the game. who cares who is the worst player in the game? the point of it isn't to place blame, the point is that you should always look at yourself to get better. Yes, I agree. And I never contested that in the slightest. Has nothing to do with what I said though. And now I am seriously gone.
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On June 16 2015 10:07 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:02 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:01 prplhz wrote: it just makes no sense to blame others for your read on them as long as they make an effort in good faith and he did just that. it doesn't make sense to tell people not to do what they did when they did their best as town. by definition they can't be any townier than that, they can't fake being townier than they naturally appear because that in itself is scummy. They can be townier if they know what not to do. Like martyring for example. how is not martyring townier than martyring? like, if you look at this game, a townie martyred (boxerfred) and no scum martyred. wouldn't that indicate that martyring is actually a townie thing to do? That makes no sense whatsoever.
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On June 16 2015 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: also I want to point out that shifting the blame on the person who got mislynched does nothing to further your chances at winning the game.
When someone gets lynched you need to go back and look at who contributed to getting that person lynched, because the person that got lynched NO LONGER HAS AN INFLUENCE ON THE GAME.
When you shift the blame to the person that just died you basically psychologically have just shot yourself in the foot because the people who voted that person now do not share that burden of blame. It may not be conscious but the rage response that occurs afterward is really dangerous because now you are gonna go in wondering why that player played poorly instead of asking the proper questions that'll actually get you further along in finding scum. That has nothing to do with what I said at all. I am not saying I am not at fault for mislynching the guy.
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On June 16 2015 10:11 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:10 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: also I want to point out that shifting the blame on the person who got mislynched does nothing to further your chances at winning the game.
When someone gets lynched you need to go back and look at who contributed to getting that person lynched, because the person that got lynched NO LONGER HAS AN INFLUENCE ON THE GAME.
When you shift the blame to the person that just died you basically psychologically have just shot yourself in the foot because the people who voted that person now do not share that burden of blame. It may not be conscious but the rage response that occurs afterward is really dangerous because now you are gonna go in wondering why that player played poorly instead of asking the proper questions that'll actually get you further along in finding scum. That has nothing to do with what I said at all. I am not saying I am not at fault for mislynching the guy. you are 100% to blame for placing your vote on a town player who did everything he could to show you he was town. This way the statement would be correct.
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On June 16 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:awwwww i missed the fireworks jaaaat what was that about improving my town game? + Show Spoiler +i love you really <3 play with meeeee? You know that was a joke. I could have used some townplayers like you in this abomination of a game.
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And no, I probably won't play again anytime soon. Work in the lab starting next week and I am not willing to let people scumread me for being less active than I have been in during the last games.
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When did you take that picture? Are you stalking me?
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